“Radicalized”: this word is quite often used to refer to Muslims who wage jihad. See, for example, this report from Paris just yesterday, where the reference to “radicalism” is the only hint that we have that what is being described is jihad activity, although there is no doubt that was what it was. Lombardo may be tacitly acknowledging that the Islamic State’s claims to be behind this attack are accurate. Or he may be implying that Stephen Paddock was some other kind of radical. What kind? Antifa? The KKK? In any case, it’s a strange word to throw out there and leave hanging, but of course the establishment media “reporters” present did not follow up.
“Sheriff: Las Vegas Shooter Paddock May Have Been ‘RADICALIZED,’” by Justin Caruso, Daily Caller, October 3, 2017:
Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo gave a press conference Tuesday and responded to questions whether Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock had been “radicalized.”
Speaking to reporters, Lombardo said, “I want to understand the motivation that you described, okay, to prevent any future incidents, and, you know, did this person get radicalized unbeknownst to us? And we want to identify that source.”
The Islamic State repeatedly claimed responsibility for the attack Monday, though federal authorities have said there is no evidence that is the case.
Paddock, a 64-year-old white male, wired $100,000 to an account in the Philippines a week before his attack, which was the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history….
RichardL says
Radicalisation is the wrong term in most cases. Activation is better, I believe. These people become active followers of islam. This activation caused the Egyptian revolution: quietist salafis went active. That caught most counter-terror scholars by surprise.
Sons of Liberty says
Radical is the wrong term because what JIHADIs do is not radical , it is FUNDAMENTAL. They are following what is written in the Qur’an. They are following the example of their Prophet Muhammad.
overman says
Yes, exactly – fundamental to tenets of Orthodox lslam. There’s no such thing as a ‘radical’ muslim. There are those who follow the literal word of the Koran and those who don’t [so-called cherry-picking moderates]. lslam is lslam, that’s all.
Most here will have seen that video of a british imam diasabusing a mosque full of muslims of this fake idea of radicalism.
lt’s in this paul watson vid [at 3:52] –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBpmPXv1R4
overman says
This also this happened at the san bernardino shooting – they mentioned ‘radicalization’ and next day it was muslims.
pandainc says
Well said. Sez the sheriff: “did this person get radicalized unbeknownst to us? And we want to identify that source.” Try the nearest mosque, you idiot.
Keith Jordan says
I think the word “radical” is correct, as it literally means “to the root”. These people are certainly getting to the root of Islam!
albert says
I wonder if radicals who believe that vergins are waiting for them in the after life,could also be sold on the tooth fairy and perhaps Santa ..How ggullible can one be.
underbed cat says
The quran is taught in all mosques. It is a good description that a mosque is an activation center of commands found in the Quran that acitvates the followers of Islam that is jihad terror. It is not a conspiracy theory, as we know but actual doctrine and verses. The counter terrorism scholars, I have read were surprised to find evidence contrary to the imams and leaders description of a peaceful religion that the imams are required to promote. Some very skilled professional muslims are politicians and national security advisers, appear to be credible but only to those who know nothing about the doctrine. The cohesive muslim communities around the world are so large and they are required to deceive to protect the doctrine that is the catalyst of islamic terrorism. We know here the left may has some of the same goals with the idea that all religions should be protected, so it must be redefined. it is apparent they have not verified their beliefs with such a simple act of reading a authentic quran in English and only listen to imams who cannot tell the truth since they are required to protect the book against exposure. In my mind I wonder how many more people have to loose their life to protect this dark ideology that laws against gun violence will not stop but facts could uproot.
Wakeup says
Maybe the quilliam foundation is a distraction intedned to put us off the scent.
dumbledoresarmy says
Quilliam Foundation is best thought of as playing ‘goodcop’ to the ‘badcop’ played by assorted outfits such as Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb ut Tahrir, Al Qaeda and Islamic State.
underbed cat says
Quilliam foundation do they give out grants…..and gee I don’t know send it to the Philippines to further the acceptance of Islamic sharia…I do remember Obama had a cool reception on his visit to the Philippines….at least it appeared to be so or are they a member of the OIC?.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Dumbledore’s Army.
mortimer says
Disagree. ‘Radicalization’ is the correct term. It means going to the very root of ideas, to the original, primary sources and earliest, original texts. Muslims who turn to jihad are convinced by listening to sermons and reading book by jihad preachers. They espouse the ROOT or RADICAL THOUGHT in Islam.
Radical is not another word for crazy or fanatical…those things may coexist, but radical simply means ‘coming from the root’.
St. Croix says
Way to go, Mortimer! I love it when someone knows the English language–and the roots of English, including Latin–to get to the radix of the situation! I agree, in the truest sense, we are talking about radical Islam. Everything RADIATES from this fundamental base; it’s the root of the belief system.
underbed cat says
This is true, but for the average person who does not know the ideology of Islam since they think it is a normal holy religion, when a muslim is found that admits he is a jihadist the press explains it away that the jihadist was radicalized and that it is from an outside source or misinterpretation of the religion when in fact it is the root…. or source. So when a authority figure announces he was radicalized I think most people don’t connect it to the Quran that is the root of Islam. Because that is all I hear from the people I know who don’t know a thing about the doctrine and cringe as you try to explain it and look at you like you are not compassionate but hateful to say such a thing, I see the propaganda of a peaceful religion of Islam has taken root in the uninformed.
Frank Cicero says
The story that the media has been reporting has a lot of holes in it and if you observe what they are saying and showing ,you will be amazed. Where are all the spent shells on the floor? Why did the carpet have no burn marks on them from the machine guns laying there ? Why did it take 72 minutes for the police to respond ? Why did not any employee spot the amount of fire power he brought in ? Looks like someone in our government screwed up because a person like him doesn’t all of a sudden appear on the radar screen and then say oh he was radicalized.
jihad3tracker says
HIS USE OF THAT “R” WORD —
MIGHT SIGNAL THAT, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH FBI AND POLICE INVESTIGATORS, he has run into definite possibilities with evidence discovered thus far, of contact with Muslims, or inquiries by him (Paddock) about Islam.
Ashley says
Yep! Sheriff Lombardo doesn’t appear to have his head in the sand. He is at least considering a scenario outside of the box…a scenario that suggests that a 64-year-old white American male can be inspired by jihad.
God help us all if this scenario has legs…
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
While I’m happy to hear Sheriff Lombardo mention the possibility, but the notion of radicalization is absurd. Activation, maybe, but there can be no radicalization. Conversion is perhaps a better world. Maybe the sheriff has been watching too much Fox RINO.
Mark Swan says
Alarmed Pig Farmer—You got it right—it is the word of the day to call Muslim converts radicalized—
that is all most in the public eye seem willing to venture—so far.
Jane says
Potato- Potaaata. Radicalized is what media came up with so as to differentiate between jihadists and peaceful Muslims. I’ m not agreeing with the term but media wants a story to go a certain way and they develop a term or a word not to report but to pursuade. The ‘lone wolf’ was in vogue for so long, as is ‘moderate’ Muslim. They’re not interested in informing not reporting just propagandizing.
JawsV says
Where is any evidence that Paddock was inspired by Islam?
Don McKellar says
True, so far we only have ISIS making claims and doubling down and their history of not making shit like this up — though they’ll lie about anything else. And now the sheriff letting that term slip. None of that is hard evidence.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Not that I’ve heard. The closest there is to a clue to that is that his girlfriend is a Philippina, and the Jihad push has been intense over there. But my guess is she’s probably Roman Catholic by background. However, it’s no small matter that Mindinao, the second largest island of the Philippines, was conceded to the Moslems as a semi-autonomous state in 2009 because of all the Jihad mass murder killing there. So there is a chance that the girlfriend somehow got caught up in all the Moslem activism going on there. But that’s a longshot.
JawsV says
I’ve heard she’s Catholic and she has returned to the U.S. She didn’t have to.
Sons of Liberty says
Believe me , she didn’t come on her own . Our government put pressure on the Philippine government to make SURE she returned . She is called a person of interest by the authorities , but in fact she could be considered a conspirator in a mass murder. If she saw what was going on with Paddock , and did not alert anyone , she can’t claim innocence. I would put pressure on her to talk about everything involved ….or tell her she WILL BE CHARGED as an accessory to murder.
JawsV says
We don’t know how it transpired, Sons.
Mark Swan says
No We Do Not JawsV—that is the truth.
J_not_a says
It’s now being reported that both Paddock and Danley have been travelling a lot, to Dubai, Phillipines, Spain, Hong Kong, and Paddock’s many financial transactions were flagged by a government agency that monitors such for terrorism financing and money laundering. This is getting really interesting.
gravenimage says
Thank you, J_not_a. If Paddock was involved with funding Jihad terror, he may have decided to get more hands-on.
Brian Hoff says
You all want it to be than islamist terrorist attack that you are trying to force the evidence to fit your belief that he convert to islam. First IS is lying about him bein g than muslim. That she is telling the truth that she knew nothing about the attack.
JawsV says
People — “Brian Hoff” is a Muslim who used to be “defenderofislam.” He always misuses the word “than.”
gravenimage says
More rot from “Brian Hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”. No one here is saying that this is definitely Jihad–but his demands that we ignore ISIS is ludicrous.
Jane says
Maybe not as long as you think.
Jane says
Maybe not as long as you think.
underbed cat says
There is a mosque in Mesquite…but he could have visited any mosque.
gravenimage says
The nearest Mosques are in Las Vegas. That does not mean he could not have converted, though.
underbed cat says
The woman companion of interest is being interviewed in a sanctuary city…I hope they can get her out, she could mislead, she may have no knowledge but I highly doubt this scenario. If she is innocent it will come out and the reverse is also true unless they have lawyers that will silence her.
Exmuslims are screaming out to warn Americans, at great risk, but push forward to explain what sharia islamic law has done to many people who have had to live under it. We need to listen.
Kay says
+1
gfmucci says
Where was the evidence 6 to 12 hours after the attacks that this was NOT a terror attack as reported by the FBI? They hadn’t yet even picked up all the phones, tablets, computers, emails, voice mails, snail mails, social media troves, etc. etc., never mind analyze them at that point. Yet they concluded it was not terror at that stupidly early point. The FBI is becoming as untrustworthy as the attackers they are supposed to stop. Could this be the result of purging all FBI training materials that are offensive to Muslims?
St. Croix says
Either sloppy, or just so quick to be politico-correcto, or actually deliberately misleading and hiding evidence. Could be any or all of those possibilities. It really was stupid of them to come out like that, so quickly. In itself that’s a flag.
J_not_a says
That always happens after every attack like this which invariably turns out to be just that – a jihad terror attack. You’d think by now after being wrong so many times, almost every time, actually, these foot in mouth “authorities would be too embarassed, but no, there they go agan. Nope, nothing to do with terrorism. Which it most likely is. Again.
Joe says
1. ISIS claimed it.
2. The shooting was captured on video. I now hear that it was streamed “offshore” which is an ISIS kind of thing.
3. The woman who warned people they were going to die. ISIS does that as well.
4. The array of weapons. Some of those are very hard to get. ISIS gets them from the US government which was probably a big part of Benghazi.
5. The tactical planning was military grade. ISIS would think like that, but not a real estate developer.
6. The word, “radicalized” means that the police are starting to head in the direction of jihad. Cops don’t use that word in any other setting. By now the cops are going to be on to his communications. I suppose that all Telegrams (a secure messaging app that ISIS uses) lead back to ISIS.
Don McKellar says
We still don’t have any evidence but for ISIS claims. HOWEVER, don’t be shocked when ISIS issues a new video with evidence to support their claims that he was a convert. They have done it before when the press and western government officials cast doubt on their claims.
Also, the only time that law enforcement officials use the term “radicalized” is when referring to a jihadi. The sheriff let this one slip. No doubt he has been dressed down by his “betters” to keep a lid on it. It is no surprise that there was no follow up by MSM. They desperately want this to be about calls for gun control and not yet another Islamic terror mass murder.
Will Trump bring up the specter of Islam now that he’s in Las Vegas?
JawsV says
“War is deception” declared Mohammed so I don’t believe a word the ISIS Moslems are saying about this. I’d like some “Allahu akbar” evidence or else Paddock’s just a white psychopath like the Columbine shooters, Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, Charles Whitman etc. Nothing to do with Islam. The Moslems are just thrilled because more American “Infidels” have been killed.
jihad3tracker says
****** IF ****** (and that is a BIG “IF”) there is not FBI and L.E. withholding of phone call records and documents found on Paddock’s phone, in his houses, vehicle, and maybe even in those two private planes he supposedly owned, THEN MOTIVE COULD BECOME CRYSTAL CLEAR.
My bet is on a combination of hatred for Trump + seeing that slaughter of Republicans at a patriotic Las Vegas country music event (as urged by Islamic State twice) converged in his mind as the perfect way for revenge.
Remember, the huge puzzle is this: WHAT MOTIVE IS POWERFUL ENOUGH FOR A WEALTHY AGE 64 WHITE GUY TO DO SOMETHING HE WOULD CERTAINLY DIE COMMITTING ?????
JawsV says
Motive? Paddock was a Democrat. He hated Trump and Republicans. A country music fest is a huge gathering of white Republicans. Steve Scalise’s shooter was also a Democrat.
I call it Democrat Terrorism. It’s also called “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” And now there are 59 less white Republican voters and their descendants. Probably worth dying for to Paddock.
J_not_a says
I don’t think so.The country festival was not his first choice Paddock had originally selected an earlier concert called Life Is Beautiful, with a big audience expected with acts for a young audience with some rapper Chance, the female singer Lorde, Gorillaz, etc. but couln’t book the suites he wanted as they were already booked by someone,
There goes that theory. He just wanted to target a large crowd. Who they were was pretty much irrelevat, going by that.
JawsV says
We don’t know why he didn’t slaughter at the other festival. So, I disagree with “there goes that theory.” There could be a million reasons why.
neversink says
How do you know these people were Republicans. A lot of people like country music. Dems as well as Repubs. In Kenya, American country music is always at the top of the charts. Stop making assumptions without evidence.
JawsV says
I can definitely assume that many if not most at the festival were Republicans. White Republicans. So, you stop.
CogitoErgoSum says
WHAT MOTIVE IS POWERFUL ENOUGH FOR A WEALTHY AGE 64 WHITE GUY TO DO SOMETHING HE WOULD CERTAINLY DIE COMMITTING ?????
I’m thinking the motive is the one that seems the most simple to me. He fell in love with a woman who “loved” him for his money. He abused her and she decided his money was no longer worth all the abuse so she left him. He tried to buy her back by giving her more money ($100,000) and it didn’t work. She still rejected him but instead of giving his money back to him she kept the money. This drove him over the edge and he became suicidal/homicidal.
Now she won’t admit to what actually happened because she would look extremely bad for not giving him his $100,000 back after rejecting. She would look like some kind of money grubbing heartless monster. So she says he sent her away …….. while he commits mass murder and suicide. Maybe it’s too simple but that’s the way it looks to me. I think she is lying.
gravenimage says
And this “femme fatale” vision is based on…what, exactly?
CogitoErgoSum says
Graven, don’t think that I believe that all women would act this way but what I have learned about human nature during the course of my life tells me that there are many women who would do such a thing and that there are also many men who do insane things because a woman they loved rejected them and also took their money. It’s a very old story. He felt love was a lie and no one cared ….. the whole world was to blame and everything and everyone needed to pay for his misery. In the end his life and the life of everyone else was useless.
However, I must admit that neither I nor anyone else can get inside the head of either Stephen Paddock or Marilou Danley. I think in the end the truth will remain a secret between only the two of them …….. and God.
St. Croix says
It looks like he had this planned long before sending her that money…
I’m not buying your hypothesis, Cogito.
For him to throw away his life–such as it was, which we still don’t quite have a view on, except that he had money and perks–in this drastic way, knowing it would mean death, well, to me it had to be for something transcendent. More than just making a personal statement, unless he was fed up and depressed and wanted to commit suicide anyway. If he wanted a personal statement, he would’ve made one in a note, a video, a post, something. People his age also don’t tend to be the ones to make personal statements in such a drastic way. And there doesn’t seem to be a trail of evidence he was a statement-oriented, rebel with or without a cause type of person earlier in life either…but maybe we need more info to know.
I think it quite possible he was indoctrinated to a belief…a belief in something beyond this mere life and what he was living–and Islam would be my bet. Go out in a blaze of glory or gory…and go to the next world, on the other side, in an afterlife that rewarded what might be a suppressed tendency all along–to enjoy carnage. The brother mentioned something about Paddock enjoying horror movies or similar.
I’m sure it all fits in some strange way, if we can only be supplied with the facts that are being concealed still.
CogitoErgoSum says
St Croix, yes, there are numerous missing pieces to this puzzle. But why do such a spectacular act for political or religious purposes if you don’t let people know about the religion or politics you are pushing? Why didn’t he die as a martyr while yelling Allahu Akbar as he charged the police through a hail of bullets? Why didn’t he leave a manifesto explaining why he had become a violent social justice warrior? None of it makes sense to me unless he just had decided that NOTHING in life made any sense to him anymore and that NOTHING mattered anymore.
Maybe I’m wrong and in time we will know. I hope so.
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum–with all respect–even if this woman rejected him and kept his money–something you seem to have glommed onto with very little evidence–the idea that he then had to go out and mass slaughter innocent people in response is *very* odd.
CogitoErgoSum says
Graven, okay. Yes, I admit it does seem odd if you are a sane person but logic does not apply when it comes to a man who is insane and a woman who thinks she is owed something for putting up with him. She lived with the man for several years and never noticed that he knew about or collected guns? She loved being abused in public and being told that he is paying for everything just the way he is paying for her? She loved that? That seems odd to me. I don’t think Paddock’s brothers really knew him at all and neither do Hanley’s sisters know her. I think it’s telling that her brother says she told him, “Relax. I’ll fix this.” She is all about money and she has a lot of people fooled. See the link below:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/amberjamieson/everything-we-know-about-marilou-danley?utm_term=.qhK2EGPEQN#.dgEbZq0ZdY
gravenimage says
Actually, the article you linked to makes it sound as though both the trip and the money were Paddock’s idea–not Conley’s. This does not really jibe with the theory that she was leaving him and taking all his money.
But you seem very wedded to this, so I think I will probably leave our exchange here. Thanks.
CogitoErgoSum says
Graven, keep in mind we have only her word as to the reason for her trip to the Philippines. She is saying it was his idea to send her there and that he gave her the money as a present because to say otherwise would make her look awful for not giving the money back. I don’t think she knew he would go mass murderer because of it but she has to “fix things.” I guess I am wedded to this until I see more convincing proof of some other explanation. Hey, we need that guy who always says, “Just one more thing.”
Jack Diamond says
Two months earlier he booked two room specifically overlooking the Lollapalooza music concert at Grant Park in Chicago. He had been amassing guns and ammo (in earnest) for at least a year. This mass murder was planned long ago. Carefully, methodically, like he did everything. Not like a rejected lover suddenly going over the edge. Marilou says he sent her the money to buy a house, that she worried he was breaking up with her, lol. I think that is probably correct. A man who says in public he “owns” a woman because he pays for everything, is just paying her off to go. If anything she seems to be the clinging one, the one in love with him, and probably adding to his high blood pressure problem and need for valium. He had more important things to do.
And now back to As The World Turns….
CogitoErgoSum says
Jack, okay. I’ll shut-up on this subject. Glad you got a laugh out of my thoughts. I’ll still be tuning in to find out what really happened though. Don’t tell me how it ends.
Jack Diamond says
it wasn’t a laugh, we’re all just speculating about people we know little or nothing about,
and a man who wanted you to know nothing about him.
Jane says
Doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy who would pine after a woman. The money was possibly sent to her to be given to someone else. She thought he was breaking up with her (lie) and sent her the money to buy a house, (lie #2). Why would she tell her brother,’ I’ll fix this, and I have a clear conscience?”
salim says
I am not an expert but it looks to me that Las Vegas massacre carries the fingerprints of Islamic terrorism. In the unlikely case it wasn’t Islamic then it was inspired by Islamic practices. BTW mental illness and Islam are very much connected. Please have a look at this article about the association of mental disorders and islam.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/mental-disorders-and-islam/
Chand says
salim says: “I am not an expert but it looks to me that Las Vegas massacre carries the fingerprints of Islamic terrorism. In the unlikely case it wasn’t Islamic then it was inspired by Islamic practices.”
Sorry to disagree but shooting at a bunch of music lovers from an elevated position, using a whole arsenal of military type assault weapons is just mass murder by the best means available. It is like in war zones where elevation gives one an advantage over the enemy, except the ‘enemy’ here were basically unarmed civilians. Of course, Paddock could have done it for Jihad but saying this was inspired by ‘Islamic practices’ is stretching it a bit too far unless you generally mean the Jihadi penchant for targeting innocents gathered in a crowd.
Mass murder, whether Jihadi or otherwise, can be committed by all kinds of weapons of tools, using myriad techniques………………….bombs, viruses, dirty radioactive bombs, chemical gases, cars, vans, aeroplanes.
salim also says: “BTW mental illness and Islam are very much connected.”
There might be a connection between mental disorders and Islam but in this case it seems there was no connection with Islam, just some very faulty neural connections in Paddock’s brain which led him to this horrific but well planned out massacre of fellow humans.
But time might yet prove me wrong.
JawsV says
I agree. I don’t think there’s any connection to Islam. No matter what the LIARS of ISIS declare.
I remember when ISIS called Hurricane Katrina “Sergeant Katrina” because she killed Infidels.
JawsV says
OK. Just Muslims then. They’ve also been cheering the recent hurricanes.
gravenimage says
Yes–Muslims laud natural disasters for killing Infidels.
Jack Diamond says
Salim knows Islam better than you. He is also aware that jihadis have recently targeted music concerts in Paris and England. Sense an ongoing theme? That ISIS has specifically targeted Las Vegas and called for attacks by its followers.
Whether or not this guy has any connection to Islam or why ISIS is insisting he is one of theirs, will probably become known soon and all this speculation will become moot. But to say it was at least inspired by Islamic practices is hardly outlandish.
Mark Swan says
Good point Jack Diamond—“But to say it was at least inspired by Islamic practices is hardly outlandish.”
We may never get to the facts here—to many Obama left overs to count on that.
gravenimage says
Chand has minimized the threat of Islam here many times before, Jack. I imagine this is more of the same from him.
Chand says
gravenimage says: “Chand has minimized the threat of Islam here many times before…”
False. I have consistently opposed Islamic Jihad and terrorism. I have opposed false representations of Islam and denigration of innocent Muslims. I am a detached, objective observer (as far as possible) of events and say things as I see them. I want every single Jihadi Muslim to perish or be imprisoned.
But I am not a blind bigot like you, gravenimage.
There is no single monolithic ‘Islam’. There are various Islamic customs, traditions, customs, rituals, varieties, sects, sub sects…………….
And every single individual homo sapiens sapiens on earth, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, has to be judged by his/her actions.
gravenimage says
There is no mainstream sect of Islam which rejects Jihad against the unbelievers, nor that rejects Muslim conquest, as Chand pretends.
The Rationalvoice says
This guy was definitely radicalized……… in the religion of the Great Gun God so beloved of many Americans.He was psychopathic like his dear old Dad and suppressed it into his retirement.
It might be interesting to know if he had been diagnosed with some terminal disease and decided to go out in a blaze of glory in the true John Wayne and Charlton Heston tradition !!!!!!!
JawsV says
Yes, the diagnosed “psychopathic” incarcerated Dad’s psycho genes have a lot to do with it. The only “disease ” is psychopathy. He was born that way.
gravenimage says
Of course, John Wayne and Charlton Heston never did anything like this. What utter calumny.
Shmooviyet says
Agreed, gravenimage.
Wayne, Heston and 99% plus of the “Great Gun God” followers.
A bit OT, but just cannot get over the filth being expressed by the worst of the anti-America crowd. Crowing on over “so many dead cr..kers”, “less 2020 Trump voters”, etc. They are as gleeful as post 9-11 ME revellers.
Sad and sickening beyond comprehension.
gravenimage says
Yes, this is appalling, Shmooviyet. Gloating over dead Americans–by those who are supposed to be Americans–is just sickening.
Kay says
I wish I hadn’t heard that this took place.
gravenimage says
We have to know what is going on, Kay–no matter how ugly.
Jane says
Not sure how it helps the discussion to bring in a terminal illness with no mention of it at all. Media is so guilty of this, trying to fill air time. It’s crazy making. So many inaccurate words used that only serves to muddy the picture. Need to stick with facts that have been reported. Connecting the dots will come soon as more people are interviewed and more information garnered from his electronic devices.
brane pilot says
Philippines chapter of IS just got $100K richer.
gravenimage says
Maybe. I don’t think we know where the money went, yet. It may have been for the girlfriend. Of course, we don’t know much about her yet, either.
gravenimage says
Las Vegas sheriff on shooter: “Did this person get radicalized unbeknownst to us?”
…………………
*Very* interesting question. Perhaps authorities are not dismissing this out of hand after all.
Brian Hoff says
He was than radical RNA member.
gravenimage says
Whatever is the RNA?
JawsV says
Muslim misusing “than” again.
gravenimage says
Yes, Jaws–“Brian Hoff” is the old poster “DefenderofIslam”.
All he has really done is shown how semi-literate and dishonest Muslims are.
Benedict says
Maybe Stephen Paddock was radicalized by the steady stream of violent movies from Hollywood: What is produced for the screens finally germinates and materializes in full harmony with the destructive minds of these scriptwriters from hell who always conjure evil. This stinking, self-congratulatory fabric of death will be the undoing of the USA and the world before Islam takes over.
gravenimage says
Uh…right.
The *real* horror of Islam is not a problem, but fanciful Hollywood movies are…
Scriptwriters are evil–murderous Jihadists, not so much…sarc/off
Benedict says
Evil is conceived in the mind and the fantasy of human beings before put to work, G. You can’t have one without the other. It takes a radicalizer to radicalize.
Benedict says
PS: If you find violence entertaining ultimately this entertainment will turn you violent.
Benedict says
PPS: Muslims who entertain (give attention or consideration to) their repulsive ideology in its totality will ultimately be transformed into terrorists.
gravenimage says
Your claim that everyone who enjoys Hollywood movies is mass slaughtering their fellow citizens is obviously absurd.
Benedict says
You have specialized in non sequiturs, G.
Benedict says
…. as if all Muslims who read the Koran become terrorists.
gravenimage says
All Muslims who take the Qur’an seriously support Jihad terror.
To say it is just the same for those who enjoy Hollywood films is ridiculous.
Mockingjay says
“If you find violence entertaining ultimately this entertainment will turn you violent.”
– That’s absolute nonsense, Benedict.
– Now if a person would be FASCINATED by (watching) violence, then it means there already PRE-EXISTS something in his or her psychological make-up that draws him to this violence, – not the other way around..
– It is like I have been saying about muslims before: so many of them have been brought up with SO much violence, it will naturally draw them in – and fascinate them – AND will make them very susceptible to a violent ideology.
Benedict says
Mockingjay: What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Benedict says
Hollywood is the celebration of pretense – just like the great imposter ISLAM.
gravenimage says
I suppose by this that Benedict rejects all literary fiction, as well.
There are many films that celebrate heroism and goodness–the idea that this is the same as the savagery of Islam is absurd.
gfmucci says
Regarding the “radicalized” comment:
Yes, Islam is radical. Muslims commit “radical acts”, e.g. acts of terror for Muhammad, for Allah.
“Radicalized” could mean “activated” or “acting devoutly” or “doing the will of Allah” when referring to a Muslim.
When referring to a non-Muslim recruited to do Islam’s dirty work, the words “recruited” or “used as a pawn” are appropriate. A non-Muslim might become “converted” for the purpose of a particular “mission” or “jihad”, aka “act of terror.” The period from conversion to jihad could be a few hours, days, weeks or months.
David M says
There is also collusion from the Mandalay Bay here, people who have stayed there say there is no way someone who set up these rooms with so many guns & cameras would not have been discovered by room service & management. It is against their protocols to not thoroughly search the rooms after 1 day, even if a Do Not Disturb sign has been put up, he was set up for 3-5 days!
I’ve heard there is Dubai ownership, left wing support of Antifa from their management, & they have now scrubbed all records of the shooters previous stays. How the hell did he set up cameras in the hallway & not get discovered? this stinks to high heaven, The Mandalay Bay should be part of the FBI investigation.
gravenimage says
I have worked in a hotel. The idea that hotels search through their guest’s possessions every day is quite mistaken.
David M says
Gravenimage, what do you think of him being set up in two different rooms for 3-5 days, with so many guns, setting up cameras in the hallways, all without being discovered? From what I’ve heard it’s an impossibility in a Vegas hotel.
gravenimage says
I imagine he brought the guns in in his suitcases. Hotels do not search guest’s luggage.
The idea that the Mandalay Bay Hotel *wanted* him to mass murder people at their concert makes absolutely no sense.
Ashley says
Hope you are well, Graven!
I, too, have worked in large multi-unit hotels in the past. You are correct…housekeeping respects the “Do Not Disturb” placard when placed outside the door. Housekeeping respects a guest’s request that he/she not be disturbed during their stay.
Of course, there are conditions when hotel security will not honor the request. Indications of violence in the unit. Loud parties disturbing guests in nearby units. When a child in the hotel has gone missing. The possible scenarios are endless.
Dave M made some good points that I am reluctant to blindly dismiss. Cameras installed OUTSIDE Paddlock’s suite. Excessive luggage. Receipts indicating more than one occupant in that particular suite.
Someone knew. Someone knows…
gravenimage says
Hi, Ashley.
I agree it is quite possible that someone did indeed know what Paddock’s plans were.
That the hotel itself knew and enabled this highly seems unlikely to me.
carol says
Some mental health expert on the radio today was saying that Paddock was known as a regular patron of hookers. He also believes that his onslaught was the ultimate “high” for the type of personality who generally feels little.
carol says
…and his fondness for risky gambling fits in with the personality type.
al norm says
Of interest two reported ‘facts’ go against the jihadi theory. He was gambling during the day and he committed suicide. Both haram. But still keeping an open mind on this.
David M says
There is no way he committed suicide, he was shot dead by the responders, who he also injured. I’m thinking he is the patsy for the real shooters who got away, probably Jihadis.
Kay says
I agree.
David M says
There are receipts for two guests in his room.
Debi Brand says
“Jibril” allegedly came to the “Prophet,” appearing to him “beside Harra and said, ‘Give the good news to your followers that whoever dies without joining others to worship with Allah, will enter Paradise.’”
It further provides, the “Prophet” then inquired, “ ‘Even if he had committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?’” and the record relates, “Gabriel said, “Yes, even if he had committed theft of committed illegal sexual intercourse.” (al-Bukhari, The Book of Ar-Riqaq [Softening of the Hearts]) # 6443, 6444.)
Footnotes thereat provide, “In some copies of Sahih Al-Bukhari it is also mentioned: “Even if he has drunk alcoholic liquors.”
Debi Brand says
Add to the above (short on time here, nonetheless…):
Our Vegas killer was shot by the first responders, thus, his blood flowed; therefore, if he was jihadi, the following then, from the Islamic perspective, applies:
“The Prophet said: ‘There is nothing more beloved to Allah than two drops and two traces: A teardrop shed out of fear of Allah, and a drop of blood shed in Allah’s cause.” (At-Tirmidhi, Ibid [Vol. 3], #1669.)
Additionally, “The Messenger of Allah” also said, “‘Do you not love that Allah forgive your sins and admit you into Paradise?” (Ibid, # 1650.) To which, one could safely reason, all would answer affirmatively, “Yes.”
(Ibn Qayyim, in Provisions of the Afterlife, renders that hadith this way: “Do you not want Allaah to forgive you? He who fights for the sake of Allaah will enter Paradise.” [P. 288.])
Thus the hadith continues, with “Allah’s Messenger” providing clear instructions on what to do to receive that desired forgiveness and to be assured safe passage into Paradise:
“ ‘Then fight in the cause of Allah, for whoever fights in Allah’s cause for the time it takes for two milkings [sic]of a camel, then Paradise is obligatory for him.’ (Hasan)
“[Abu ‘Eisa said:] This Hadith is Hasan.”
“The time between two milkings [sic] of a camel,” provide the Imams of knowledge in Islam, “is known as Fuwaq-u-Naqah (literally, hiccups of the she-camel).” Thus, the hadith means, “that even a little period of time spent in Jihad is more meritorious than the voluntary Salat of seventy years in one’s house.” (Ibid [at-Tirmidhi], P. 402.)
Sherman says
If faith is a means of knowledge, then how can one acting on faith be wrong?
gravenimage says
I’m sorry, Sherman–this is silly. People have believed in all sorts of horrible things throughout history. The idea that a belief in something automatically means that it is good or true is mistaken.
religionofpeace says
Obviously, cannibalism is faith too. Eating people is right ?
Jack Dawkins says
Who says faith is a means of knowledge? muslims have faith in baalah
anthony says
The more Sherriff Joe tries to hide, the stronger sources of this video look! https://youtu.be/QHuABrox_X0 Although I don’t often agree with them, but seems they are proven more on target than msm and Sherriff Joe so far!
fbijihadidefender says
Strange, no reporters asked the Sheriff, Joseph Lombardo the motivation of radical Muslim. I don’t know how the reporters or Sheriffs follow up the Las Vegas case in “unbeknownst” motivation.
Kay says
So interesting that the news report points out that he was a white male.
An attempt to confuse? An attempt at increasing racial unrest? How often does news report race or even gender these days? Do they obviously leave out politics or other leanings?
Chris Malan says
Al this blah-blah-blah and no one is sure whether Paddock was a Muslim or not. That is the first question. Everything else flows from that. Someone should ask the people who knew him. His Filipino girlfriend will most likely know.
Jihad Watch will look such fools if Paddock turns out to have been just mad.
JawsV says
Psychopathic. He was a psychopath inherited from his diagnosed “psychopathic” father. I haven’t bought the Jihad angle from the get-go. Muslims would have used explosives anyway.
Ashley says
I don’t think JW will look foolish if it is deemed that Paddock was simply a depraved lunatic.
There has been a mass shooting in Las Vegas. ISIS specifically mentioned Las Vegas as a ripe target back in May.
We are just speculating, Chris. Even Sheriff Lombardo made a public announcement questioning if Paddock had become “radicalized.”
Odd, eh?
gravenimage says
Exactly, Ashley. Dealing with this incident here is valid at this point.
Infidel says
I have STRONG SUSPICION that this mad shooter became an Islamist b4 he orchestrated the carnage!!
JawsV says
Where’s your evidence?
Debra says
I stopped in my tracks when I first heard this term applied to our most recent mass-murderer. I had to wonder: Is this the point where the NWO starts to flip the true threat to America from “radical” moslums to the “radical” raging white male?