Deradicalization programs, upon which the West has placed so much hope, have long been an obvious failure. Such programs are based on the premise that the true teachings of Islam are peaceful, and so all that needs to be done is show the jihadis how they’re misunderstanding the Qur’an and overlooking its teachings of peace, and all will be well. But since the Qur’an and Sunnah are full of commands to make war against and subjugate unbelievers, the idea that jihadis can be “deradicalized” by reference to them is just a myth told to Infidel authorities to lull them into complacency.
Well, let’s see. De-radicalization programs have been implemented elsewhere, notably in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Let’s look at how they fared. From the Jihad Watch archives:
Gitmo prisoner reveals: Saudi “deradicalization program” is really a jihad training program
11 ex-Gitmo prisoners flee the Saudi “rehabilitation program” and join up with terrorist groups
Jaw-dropper: 25 former Gitmo detainees “return to militancy” despite Saudi rehab program!
Flight 253 jihadist wasn’t cured by Saudi anti-jihad art therapy
Former Guantanamo detainee now top al-Qaeda ideologue — “He was transferred to Saudi Arabia in 2006 where he was placed in a national rehabilitation project.”
Indonesian government admits that its jihadist rehab program is a failure
France’s only jihadi “deradicalization” center is closing — it was voluntary, and it was empty
“Malaysia to relook arrested Islamic preacher’s role in its deradicalisation courses,” Today Online, October 13, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
KUALA LUMPUR — Malaysia will re-examine an Islamic preacher’s role in its deradicalisation programmes following his arrest for sedition for allegedly criticising the Johor Sultan’s ban on a Muslim-only laundromat in the state.
An Islamic researcher with a local university has expressed concerns over Mr Zamihan Mat Zin’s role in the programmes, noting that the preacher has shown signs of promoting intolerance and hatred among Muslims and non-Muslims.
The cleric is part of a team assisting the Prisons Department and the police in their deradicalisation programmes. He is on secondment from the Malaysian Islamic Development Department (Jakim) to the department.
Mr Zamihan, in some of his lectures available on YouTube and media interviews, had also admitted that he was involved in rehabilitation programmes for drug addicts and Shia followers.
Deputy home minister Nur Jazlan Mohamed said his ministry is “studying his (Mr Zamihan’s) role in the programmes.”
International Islamic University (IIU) lecturer Maszlee Malik has urged the Home Ministry to prepare a detailed report on its terrorism rehabilitation programmes as Mr Zamihan’s thinking presents a risk to the harmony of a multiracial Malaysia.
“How can he de-radicalise others if his preaching contains elements of racial radicalism? We don’t want those turning away from (terror group) Islamic State (IS) becoming racists instead,” Dr Maszlee told The Malaysian Insight….
Mr Zamihan was arrested on Wednesday after a video surfaced on social media depicting him as saying it was not right of Johor Ruler, Sultan Ibrahim Iskandar, to ban Muslim-only laundromats in his state.
He also made what was seen as racist remarks against the Chinese whom he claimed were unclean as they allegedly did not wash themselves after urinating and defecating….
Dave says
Its a fraud . Deradicalisation does not work more so when jihadi mullahs are running that scam
Lukas says
Help us supporting christian missionaries instead of threatening war.
(from indonesia)
gravenimage says
The idea that it is Infidels threatening war against Muslims is *quite* mistaken.
John Forbes says
THE WEST SIMPLY REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS THE TEXTS ON THE KORAN,HADITHS & SUNNA THAT ARE THE ISSUE .
THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL TAUGHT THAT ISLAM IS THE SUPREME IDEOLOGY & “THE FINAL ONE” ( BEING THAT THERE WILL BE NO OTHER AFTER ISLAM – UTTER ARROGANCE )
NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE BOOKS OR THE BELIEFS & THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RADICAL MUSLIM- JUST MUSLIMS – PERIOD ,
SO THE WEST RUNS AROUND IN DENIAL SUPPOSEDLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND & IN THE END – DOES NOT EVEN A GOOD IMPERSONATION OF SOME ONE DOING ANYTHING ALL THE WHILE INSISTING THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE FOLLOWED BY VIOLENCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM !
THIS MAJ CHANGE AS THE ATTACKS RAMP UP FURTHER & THE DEATH TOLE RISES ??
MIND YOU IN THE UK – THE CONTINUAL RAPING & THE RISE IN THIS HAS YET TO PRODUCE ANYTHING LIKE A BACKLASH SO MAYBE THE UK HAS BEEN COWED ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN JUST CONTINUE FOREVER RAPING ???
THE POLICE DENIED AN ETHNIC CONNECTION & CONTINUE TO DENY THAT THERE IS AN RELIGIOUS CONNECTION !
DESPITE THAT FACT THAT MOST ARE NAMED MOHAMMED !
john vieira says
Not “Utter arrogance”….replace with SUPREME IGNORANCE…merci!!!
mortimer says
Deradicalization does not work for the reason ROBERT SPENCER says: it is not possible to show the jihadis the teachings of peace in the Koran and hadiths, because those teachings are not in them or not in service. Jihadis are well-informed about Islam’s teachings and cannot be hoodwinked by this erroneous premise. However, uninformed Western leaders and politicians are FOOLS about Islam and have been EASILY tricked and MOSTLY tricked by this uninformed wishful thinking.
‘Abrogation’ is the golden key to understanding Islam. Some Islamic scholars say that 200-300 Koranic verses have been abrogated. The Verse of the Sword alone abrogates about 100 ‘peaceful’ verses.
Any peaceful teachings in Islam have been rendered ‘out-of-service’ by the latter, more authoritative teachings commanding warfare against disbelief and disbelievers. ALL jihadis know this. They cannot ‘unknow’ the doctrine of abrogation any more than they can ‘unknow’ how to tie their shoes.
No government at the moment has the courage to begin ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING which is the ONLY sure way to stop jihadism. Muslims must be deprogrammed entirely right out of Islam by a university-level course of study that destroys Islamic belief through historical, moral, textual and logical studies of Islam’s primary texts. Islam is fragile and Islamic faith shatters when the source texts are put under the microscope.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
No government at the moment has the courage to begin ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING which is the ONLY sure way to stop jihadism. Muslims must be deprogrammed entirely right out of Islam by a university-level course of study that destroys Islamic belief through historical, moral, textual and logical studies of Islam’s primary texts.
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The idea that Muslims value morals and logic is, I’m afraid, quite mistaken.
Joe says
Muslims are the same as everyone else in that they have absolute morals and some logic. Yet, religion and almost all other human activity is emotional. A few will convert on logic, but the rest convert on relationships.
The strength of Islam is the top-down structure that imposes tyranny on its subjects. Islamic leaders use their power to control their subjects as is always the case when authority has more power than sense.
At the present, the Islamic tyranny is allied with the leaders of the west. It will be very difficult for citizens in free countries to hold their governments in check.
The point I’m making is that the choices of the individual are coerced, controlled, and muted by authority, under Islam. As an example, Robert Spencer is not allowed into England. In other words, the politicians and bureaucrats don’t want to allow the English to reach their own conclusion.
While England isn’t exactly Muslim, the politicians are using Islam to cement themselves at the top. The key test is whether politicians in charge are held to the same set of rules as the peasants at work.
All societies have to balance the rights of the individual with authority of the government. Islam makes no pretence; for Muslims, the most vulnerable have no rights. The corrupt leaders of the West are using the absolute authority of Islam to dehumanize their subjects, where the commoners are not allowed to make up their own mind. This will make the leaders the rulers over the land of the wicked.
gravenimage says
Joe, Islam specifically rejects logic and reason.
john spielman says
well to quote Gomer Pyle: SUPRISE SUPRISE!!
Jaladhi says
There is no surprise here. Islam hates everybody besides Muslims and sometimes even Muslims of differet sects. And the people who spread this hate full message of Mo/allah are the imams who are their representatives and no Muslim dares to go against them.
Get rid of all imams and let Muslim read Quran for themselves and decide for themselves whether Quran’s message should be followed. At least there will some Muslims who have a human conscience and they will refuse to follow such hateful and murderous religion and will leave Islam. Sooner the better!1
Manny says
That’s because hatred of non Muslims is not radical in his world. In the Muslim world not hating non Muslims is radical. So this man is doing his job deradicalizing.
fbijihadidefender says
Mr Zamihan said Chinese in Malaysia (infidel) are unclean because Chinese eat pork, play with dogs and drink wine, that are ‘haram’ (forbidden by Allah).
apexpoint says
He also said Chinese have unclean toilet habits. Instead of washing the assholes with water after shitting, they use only papers to clean.
Cleaning the assholes with water must go with soap. With water alone is not good enough and soap are not available in many public toilet cubicles..
This fool only concerns about the cleanliness outside the body but not the inside. If a Muslim did not shit for a few days, his body is more dirty as his intestine adsorbs lots of toxins from the rotting shits.
gravenimage says
Actually, the hygiene of most Infidels is *much* higher than that of Muslims.
apexpoint says
Yes, Muslims mostly live in countries where the hygiene is very poor.
MFritz says
As long as THEY define what’s “radical”, it will always end like this.
I wonder about leftists says
Deradicalisation of muslims will not happen, and for surely not by their imams or clergyman. And may be the people who pay their taxes for this? They laugh their heads of, another expensive scam.
What will be their next move after Las Vegas? Death cult forever.
gravenimage says
Malaysia: Muslim cleric active in deradicalization program promotes hatred of non-Muslims
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These “deradicalization” programs are a sick joke.
Matthieu Baudin says
It is idiots like this Cleric and his ilk that prevent Malaysian Buddhists, Christians, Hindus and other Kaffirs from ever feeling that they belong fully as citizens of Malaysia.
This supremacist carry-on is one of the first things that needs to be jettisoned along with the official sanction of polygamy and the genital cuttings of girls which is wholly barbaric, even if carried out in a partial and restricted form (as is commonplace within Malaysia).
apexpoint says
Muslim population is more than 70% and is breeding fast. Soon the infidels has no say in this once a beautiful country created by Britain.
Bruce Scott says
The wilful ignorance about the obvious failure of “deradicalisation” programs, by our “leaders”, ought to earn them a significant prison term and loss of their pensions.
FYI says
There is no end to the hatred of everybody else in islam.
Probably because there are no Two Chief Commandments in islam:Love of God and man.
Genuine love of God requires obedience to His Original Commandments and love of fellow man means not doing evil unto others.
What does islam/the koran teach?
It’s OK to murder infidels,force them to pay a jizya tax,enslave women,hate the Jews,curse the Christians,indulge in polygamy etc,twist God’s Commandments to suit the desires of the muslim.
All this hatred comes from a “religion”,in reality a cult, that neither loves God nor obeys any of His Commandments.
Since they neither love God nor their fellow man,it doesn’t actually matter how religiously devoted muslims are:they have completely missed the point of God!
They can pray towards mecca all they like,fast all they want but that is no use to God because they do not obey His commandments nor satisfy the Two Chief Commandments.
The whole Biblical revelation of God can be reduced to this..
The Two Chief Commandments.
LOVE OF GOD
LOVE FOR YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING
This essential aspect of God is found in Judaism and Christianity but it is completely MISSING in the koran/islam
“The whole law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these two chief Commandments”
Matthew 22 v 40
muslims follow their god allah’s warped teachings instead of the True God.
Those Two chief Commandments,known to Jews and Christians, are what God and the Bible are all about.
And yet nowhere in allah’s koran or the example of muhammed’s life is there any mention or sign of them:allah’s failure to emphasise them in his koran speaks volumes.