In this new video, I discuss the case of Alton Nolen, the Oklahoma Muslim who beheaded a coworker and justified his actions by invoking the Quran. The case shows the incoherence of the official response to the jihad threat.
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mortimersays
The Left says that we must accept Islam per se and avoid criticizing its misogyny, cruel punishments, ethnic cleansing in the form of jihad, and political supremacism based on sacred Islamic doctrines in Sharia law. As a comparison, I observe we do indeed criticize the Aztec religion and we would never allow human sacrifices to be made to the gods Acolnahuacatl, Huitzilopochtli or Tezcatlipoca, even though it is ‘part of their religion’. If we can criticize Aztec religion, why may we not criticize Islam?
The argument of the Left and its policy of pandering to Islamic misogyny and terrorism are inconsistent and therefore, not moral, since they allow women and minorities to be repressed in Islamic countries, but not in Western countries. One of the features of morality is that it must be consistent to be moral. The Western policy of giving in to 7th century savagery is incoherent.
Rev gsays
The left doesn’t fear Aztec reaction to such criticism. Similar to the case with Christians, jews, peo-lifers, etc.
Greyhound Fanciersays
Amen.
Guy Forestersays
Do you live in CA? There is denial that the human sacrifices and cannibalism occurred. Never mind what the archeologists find or what the Spanish documented. No, they were just white guys that hated brown people.
Meanwhile, people of Mexican ancestry, regardless of where they originated now dress up like Aztecs and put on music/dance demonstrations. Never mind that Cortez and 197 conquistadors did not defeat the Aztecs alone. They had a large army of non-Aztec tribes supporting them. I guess they got tired of sending their kids off to be tortured, butchered while alive, and then eaten. Most of the people running around playing Aztec and supporting the myth of Aztlan,are from the groups the Aztecs ate. Go figure. The fruits of leftist indoctrination, never mind the facts.
PRCSsays
All cultures–past and present–being equal, of course.
gravenimagesays
Yes–of course, doing Aztec dances (unclear, of course, how authentic any of this is) is not the same as replicating their human sacrifices.
If Muslims were only having Iftar dinners and going on the Hadj–while skipping violent Jihad and the horrors of Shari’ah–I would be glad of it.
LRsays
It’s not that some just like playing “Aztec dancer.’ For years now, most everyone, including the media refuse to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, using the more acceptable, PC ‘inoffensive’ term ‘undocumented immigrant/worker’, or just dumping everyone into ‘immigrant’, because, ‘no one is illegal’. And we are ALL ‘immigrants’ anyway (save for the ‘indigenous’), so ‘we’ shouldn’t have a right to defend ‘our’ border. So, apparently, even if you are some violent freak who beats up his wife and children, and came into the country illegally, and are soaking up social services $, god forbid we clearly distinguish that from the person who was at least hopefully ‘vetted’ somewhat and took two years, or more, to process their papers to come to the U.S legally, and is working very hard to support himself and his family.
Also, in many areas it is now, ‘Indigenous day’, not ‘Columbus Day’, because we all know how Columbus ‘discovering’ the ‘Americas’ didn’t change a darn thing in regards to world history. And besides, he was just some stupid, evil, ‘White guy’.
Our sensibilities of clear distinguishment, and being able to face the good and bad, and evil of things is turning into one big pile of ‘self-flaggelating’, BS mush.
bonnie lorangersays
Mortimer, I always use the Aztec to explain moral relativism. Not all cultures are the same
j_not_asays
Add to your list the heartbreaking child abuse that goes up to and includes murder, as well as the awful animal abuse.
gravenimagesays
+1
Mickeysays
I thought we would wake up once someone got their head cut off…
PRCSsays
Of the 300+ million people in the U.S., how many do you think are even aware of this event?
Oh, look–Kardashians!
gravenimagesays
Sadly, probably damn few know anything about it.
LRsays
Mickey,
But, that’s the catch…It IS no big deal for this guy to behead a woman and yell, ‘Ahlahu Akhbar’…he’s just some delusional nutcase. That greatly diffuses it into, ‘just another horrible crime committed by just another psycho criminal.’
Guy Forestersays
I beg to differ, Mr. Spencer.
The response at all levels of government, by people who took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution and our country has been VERY consistent:
1. Refuse to recognize, name, and go after the state sponsors of Islam based terrorism.
2. Treat each act of terrorism as an individual, criminal act or mental health issue.
3. Due to 1&2 above, the government is now relieved of its duty to treat these attacks as they truly are: Economic and military warfare against the people of the US and our institutions.
4. Repeated sackings, forced retirements, destruction of evidence, intentional failures to act, and active denial of the role Islam and state sponsors play in these attacks on the US and the West.
4. Active refusal by the Executive Branch, State and Federal Courts, Congress and the States to seal our borders and prevent the free passage into and the invasion of the US by terrorists, their supporters, and millions that while not terrorists, have no desire to become Americans.
5. Due to all of the above, the Government has a plausible reason to refuse to act accordingly and to not deal effectively with the state sponsors of terror. In other words, it is just a bunch of individual, lone wolf whack jobs. Nothing to see here, move along. Be alert, we need more lerts. See something, say something, just do not point out the facts and truth.
This does not mean that there are no INDIVIDUALS that see the problem and try to act accordingly. The ones running the show are doing this. OPEC oil money and ideology seems to outweigh duty, honor, and rightness.
Please tell me, Mr. Spencer, if I am wrong. I know you follow the responses to your postings. You usually tend to be right on target.
PRCSsays
Given the constant use of “radical Islam”, “radical Islamic terrorism”, “violent extremism”, and other whitewashing idiocies by politicians, “journalists”, senior military personnel (acdu and retired)…
Now the Israel is allied with Saudi Arabia, all is lost.
gravenimagesays
What does this mean? Saudi Arabia has no diplomatic relations with Israel at all, since they are ‘filthy Jews’.
Ray Searssays
+ Lloyd Miller – Still pushing your Anti-Semitic Drivel i see !
gravenimagesays
Thanks, Ray.
Carolynesays
“See Something, Say Something,” will get you investigated by the DOJ just like the teacher who called the cops on Clock Boy. If you see a box with wires hanging out of it in the possession of a Muslim, and if you report it, you are in big trouble with cops, DOJ, lawsuits, etc. Keep your mouth shut, in other words.
underbed catsays
The Overlord of Islam is cash. The charitable cash given by the ME, from places that are governed by the Quran, sharia law and jihadi law. They target the United States perfectly since we have an economy and markets , politicians, universities , hospitals, and maybe even militiary that needs cash. Cash is King so they say,or it is the duty of the King to pass the cash to the U.S. so we ignore the passages of the Quran? So what does the U.S. need to do to prevent this influence ……pass laws? or read the Quran and learn who the enemy is and not let them walk our streets. If there is any value to human life and an aversion to terror we should not take the cash and protect the citizens from the people who want to strike terror into our hearts who actually is our enemy and stop supporting them with money so they can further inflict harm and get to know the enemy and his doctrine so we can effectively do a turn around so people know we value life. Just wonder if it could work.
PRCSsays
“sharia law and jihadi law”
A suggestion: call it Islamic law.
Voytek Gagalkasays
So now what? In order to deny him access to his “paradise” and underscore that his evil actions have “absolutely nothing to do with Islam,” authorities will do everything so he will walk free? No! Grant him his “wish,” send him to his (Islamic) “heaven”! One jihadi less, one problem less.
Guy Forestersays
He is a non-uniformed agent of a hostile state if he pledged allegiance to IS or ALQ. At the very least, send him to GITMO for LWOP. Otherwise, he should be dealt with the same way we did Nazi terrorists that were both US or German citizens that came to the US to commit sabotage and acts of terror.
I would recommend that when he dies, either in custody or by execution, he should be cremated and his ashes scattered in the ocean.
World@70says
A few months ago I was reading a magazine article examining the aftermath left when coalition forces liberated areas held by ISIS.
That article, in part, quoted the late Palestinian theorist of jihad Abdulla Azzam. He said “Honor and respect cannot be established except on a foundation of cripples and corpses,” and “Every Muslim on Earth bears the responsibility of abandoning jihad and the sin of abandoning the gun.” The article went on to say, the only thing more apparent in Azzam’s words than hatred is self-hatred. The article was also explaining why ISIS were killing so many Muslims, not just infidels, apostates, and Shiites, but killing any Muslim who isn’t also killing.
Jack Diamondsays
Abdullah Azzam, the founder of al Qaeda, had a master’s degree in Sharia and a Ph.D from Al-Azhar in Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh). So when he talks about a foundation of corpses or the sin of abandoning jihad, he’s not improvising anything. Besides obligatory jihad upon the disbelievers, Muslims have been cannibalizing Muslims since Muhammad and his companions. Since the Ridda Wars, forcing those who wanted to leave Islam to change their minds by killing them in the thousands. Since the early caliphs were murdered by equally pious Muslims. ISIS emulates them well.
gravenimagesays
Robert Spencer video: Oklahoma beheading case shows incoherence of our response to jihad threat
……………………
Incoherent is certainly the name for it.
A persecuted Christiansays
I am sorry to learn that Canada is going down the path of being an apologist for Islam. Their administration is always siding with Muslims, they are against accepting Christian refugees at the same time taking in loads Muslim refugees . Willful ignorance is difficult to treat
John Forbessays
WHY THE SUPRISE IN CANADA ABOUT THE MOVE OF CANADA TOWARDS ISLAMIZATION WHEN THEY HAVE A MUSLIM INSPIRED PRIME MINISTER WHO SUPPORTS THE MOVE !
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS A SUPPORTER OF ISLAM & A HATER OF CHRISTIANITY SO WHY BE AT ALL SUPRISED .
THE TEACHING OF ISLAM ARE ABUSIVE & VERY VIOLENT & ARE STILL VERY POORLY UNDERSTOOD BY THOSE IN POWER IN THE WEST BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW TEACHINGS LIKE THIS !
AS I HAVE STATED OFTEN IN THE PAST THAT BECAUSE WE IN THE WEST HAVE TOSSED OUR FAITH INTO THE WASTE BASKET WE ARE EMBARASSED BY STATED FAITH & DEFLECT IT AS BEING BOTH RIDICULOUS & NOT WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION & NOT TO BE CONSIDERED AS RATIONAL THOUGHT !
THIS IS A VERY BIG MISTAKE WHEN DEALING WITH CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUSLY INDOCTRINATED PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HOLD THEIR FAITH HIGH ABOVE COUNTRY CONCEPTS OR THE WESTERN LAWS !
OUR OWN ARROGANCE LEADS US TO DISMISSAL & GRAVE DANGER !
A persecuted Christiansays
You are right. Thank you for this insightful response
A persecuted Christiansays
The above comment was intended to follow the post on Toronto Star
To Westerners saying God or a supposed religious text instructs you to behead people it mentally deranged. The West continues to ignore the fact that the people who carry out these atrocities truly believe they are justified and doing the right thing.
Just goes to show just how sick, stupid, ridiculous, inane, incompetent, ignorant and failing our court system and it’s officials are.
Carolynesays
You are absolutely correct. Those Muslims who are obeying the Koran and killing “Infidels” believe they are doing right just as strongly as Christians believe in Jesus. They will never change and the only solution is to keep them away from us.
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mortimer says
The Left says that we must accept Islam per se and avoid criticizing its misogyny, cruel punishments, ethnic cleansing in the form of jihad, and political supremacism based on sacred Islamic doctrines in Sharia law. As a comparison, I observe we do indeed criticize the Aztec religion and we would never allow human sacrifices to be made to the gods Acolnahuacatl, Huitzilopochtli or Tezcatlipoca, even though it is ‘part of their religion’. If we can criticize Aztec religion, why may we not criticize Islam?
The argument of the Left and its policy of pandering to Islamic misogyny and terrorism are inconsistent and therefore, not moral, since they allow women and minorities to be repressed in Islamic countries, but not in Western countries. One of the features of morality is that it must be consistent to be moral. The Western policy of giving in to 7th century savagery is incoherent.
Rev g says
The left doesn’t fear Aztec reaction to such criticism. Similar to the case with Christians, jews, peo-lifers, etc.
Greyhound Fancier says
Amen.
Guy Forester says
Do you live in CA? There is denial that the human sacrifices and cannibalism occurred. Never mind what the archeologists find or what the Spanish documented. No, they were just white guys that hated brown people.
Meanwhile, people of Mexican ancestry, regardless of where they originated now dress up like Aztecs and put on music/dance demonstrations. Never mind that Cortez and 197 conquistadors did not defeat the Aztecs alone. They had a large army of non-Aztec tribes supporting them. I guess they got tired of sending their kids off to be tortured, butchered while alive, and then eaten. Most of the people running around playing Aztec and supporting the myth of Aztlan,are from the groups the Aztecs ate. Go figure. The fruits of leftist indoctrination, never mind the facts.
PRCS says
All cultures–past and present–being equal, of course.
gravenimage says
Yes–of course, doing Aztec dances (unclear, of course, how authentic any of this is) is not the same as replicating their human sacrifices.
If Muslims were only having Iftar dinners and going on the Hadj–while skipping violent Jihad and the horrors of Shari’ah–I would be glad of it.
LR says
It’s not that some just like playing “Aztec dancer.’ For years now, most everyone, including the media refuse to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, using the more acceptable, PC ‘inoffensive’ term ‘undocumented immigrant/worker’, or just dumping everyone into ‘immigrant’, because, ‘no one is illegal’. And we are ALL ‘immigrants’ anyway (save for the ‘indigenous’), so ‘we’ shouldn’t have a right to defend ‘our’ border. So, apparently, even if you are some violent freak who beats up his wife and children, and came into the country illegally, and are soaking up social services $, god forbid we clearly distinguish that from the person who was at least hopefully ‘vetted’ somewhat and took two years, or more, to process their papers to come to the U.S legally, and is working very hard to support himself and his family.
Also, in many areas it is now, ‘Indigenous day’, not ‘Columbus Day’, because we all know how Columbus ‘discovering’ the ‘Americas’ didn’t change a darn thing in regards to world history. And besides, he was just some stupid, evil, ‘White guy’.
Our sensibilities of clear distinguishment, and being able to face the good and bad, and evil of things is turning into one big pile of ‘self-flaggelating’, BS mush.
bonnie loranger says
Mortimer, I always use the Aztec to explain moral relativism. Not all cultures are the same
j_not_a says
Add to your list the heartbreaking child abuse that goes up to and includes murder, as well as the awful animal abuse.
gravenimage says
+1
Mickey says
I thought we would wake up once someone got their head cut off…
PRCS says
Of the 300+ million people in the U.S., how many do you think are even aware of this event?
Oh, look–Kardashians!
gravenimage says
Sadly, probably damn few know anything about it.
LR says
Mickey,
But, that’s the catch…It IS no big deal for this guy to behead a woman and yell, ‘Ahlahu Akhbar’…he’s just some delusional nutcase. That greatly diffuses it into, ‘just another horrible crime committed by just another psycho criminal.’
Guy Forester says
I beg to differ, Mr. Spencer.
The response at all levels of government, by people who took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution and our country has been VERY consistent:
1. Refuse to recognize, name, and go after the state sponsors of Islam based terrorism.
2. Treat each act of terrorism as an individual, criminal act or mental health issue.
3. Due to 1&2 above, the government is now relieved of its duty to treat these attacks as they truly are: Economic and military warfare against the people of the US and our institutions.
4. Repeated sackings, forced retirements, destruction of evidence, intentional failures to act, and active denial of the role Islam and state sponsors play in these attacks on the US and the West.
4. Active refusal by the Executive Branch, State and Federal Courts, Congress and the States to seal our borders and prevent the free passage into and the invasion of the US by terrorists, their supporters, and millions that while not terrorists, have no desire to become Americans.
5. Due to all of the above, the Government has a plausible reason to refuse to act accordingly and to not deal effectively with the state sponsors of terror. In other words, it is just a bunch of individual, lone wolf whack jobs. Nothing to see here, move along. Be alert, we need more lerts. See something, say something, just do not point out the facts and truth.
This does not mean that there are no INDIVIDUALS that see the problem and try to act accordingly. The ones running the show are doing this. OPEC oil money and ideology seems to outweigh duty, honor, and rightness.
Please tell me, Mr. Spencer, if I am wrong. I know you follow the responses to your postings. You usually tend to be right on target.
PRCS says
Given the constant use of “radical Islam”, “radical Islamic terrorism”, “violent extremism”, and other whitewashing idiocies by politicians, “journalists”, senior military personnel (acdu and retired)…
Lloyd Miller says
Now the Israel is allied with Saudi Arabia, all is lost.
gravenimage says
What does this mean? Saudi Arabia has no diplomatic relations with Israel at all, since they are ‘filthy Jews’.
Ray Sears says
+ Lloyd Miller – Still pushing your Anti-Semitic Drivel i see !
gravenimage says
Thanks, Ray.
Carolyne says
“See Something, Say Something,” will get you investigated by the DOJ just like the teacher who called the cops on Clock Boy. If you see a box with wires hanging out of it in the possession of a Muslim, and if you report it, you are in big trouble with cops, DOJ, lawsuits, etc. Keep your mouth shut, in other words.
underbed cat says
The Overlord of Islam is cash. The charitable cash given by the ME, from places that are governed by the Quran, sharia law and jihadi law. They target the United States perfectly since we have an economy and markets , politicians, universities , hospitals, and maybe even militiary that needs cash. Cash is King so they say,or it is the duty of the King to pass the cash to the U.S. so we ignore the passages of the Quran? So what does the U.S. need to do to prevent this influence ……pass laws? or read the Quran and learn who the enemy is and not let them walk our streets. If there is any value to human life and an aversion to terror we should not take the cash and protect the citizens from the people who want to strike terror into our hearts who actually is our enemy and stop supporting them with money so they can further inflict harm and get to know the enemy and his doctrine so we can effectively do a turn around so people know we value life. Just wonder if it could work.
PRCS says
“sharia law and jihadi law”
A suggestion: call it Islamic law.
Voytek Gagalka says
So now what? In order to deny him access to his “paradise” and underscore that his evil actions have “absolutely nothing to do with Islam,” authorities will do everything so he will walk free? No! Grant him his “wish,” send him to his (Islamic) “heaven”! One jihadi less, one problem less.
Guy Forester says
He is a non-uniformed agent of a hostile state if he pledged allegiance to IS or ALQ. At the very least, send him to GITMO for LWOP. Otherwise, he should be dealt with the same way we did Nazi terrorists that were both US or German citizens that came to the US to commit sabotage and acts of terror.
I would recommend that when he dies, either in custody or by execution, he should be cremated and his ashes scattered in the ocean.
World@70 says
A few months ago I was reading a magazine article examining the aftermath left when coalition forces liberated areas held by ISIS.
That article, in part, quoted the late Palestinian theorist of jihad Abdulla Azzam. He said “Honor and respect cannot be established except on a foundation of cripples and corpses,” and “Every Muslim on Earth bears the responsibility of abandoning jihad and the sin of abandoning the gun.” The article went on to say, the only thing more apparent in Azzam’s words than hatred is self-hatred. The article was also explaining why ISIS were killing so many Muslims, not just infidels, apostates, and Shiites, but killing any Muslim who isn’t also killing.
Jack Diamond says
Abdullah Azzam, the founder of al Qaeda, had a master’s degree in Sharia and a Ph.D from Al-Azhar in Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh). So when he talks about a foundation of corpses or the sin of abandoning jihad, he’s not improvising anything. Besides obligatory jihad upon the disbelievers, Muslims have been cannibalizing Muslims since Muhammad and his companions. Since the Ridda Wars, forcing those who wanted to leave Islam to change their minds by killing them in the thousands. Since the early caliphs were murdered by equally pious Muslims. ISIS emulates them well.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer video: Oklahoma beheading case shows incoherence of our response to jihad threat
……………………
Incoherent is certainly the name for it.
A persecuted Christian says
I am sorry to learn that Canada is going down the path of being an apologist for Islam. Their administration is always siding with Muslims, they are against accepting Christian refugees at the same time taking in loads Muslim refugees . Willful ignorance is difficult to treat
John Forbes says
WHY THE SUPRISE IN CANADA ABOUT THE MOVE OF CANADA TOWARDS ISLAMIZATION WHEN THEY HAVE A MUSLIM INSPIRED PRIME MINISTER WHO SUPPORTS THE MOVE !
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS A SUPPORTER OF ISLAM & A HATER OF CHRISTIANITY SO WHY BE AT ALL SUPRISED .
THE TEACHING OF ISLAM ARE ABUSIVE & VERY VIOLENT & ARE STILL VERY POORLY UNDERSTOOD BY THOSE IN POWER IN THE WEST BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW TEACHINGS LIKE THIS !
AS I HAVE STATED OFTEN IN THE PAST THAT BECAUSE WE IN THE WEST HAVE TOSSED OUR FAITH INTO THE WASTE BASKET WE ARE EMBARASSED BY STATED FAITH & DEFLECT IT AS BEING BOTH RIDICULOUS & NOT WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION & NOT TO BE CONSIDERED AS RATIONAL THOUGHT !
THIS IS A VERY BIG MISTAKE WHEN DEALING WITH CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUSLY INDOCTRINATED PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HOLD THEIR FAITH HIGH ABOVE COUNTRY CONCEPTS OR THE WESTERN LAWS !
OUR OWN ARROGANCE LEADS US TO DISMISSAL & GRAVE DANGER !
A persecuted Christian says
You are right. Thank you for this insightful response
A persecuted Christian says
The above comment was intended to follow the post on Toronto Star
Brenda Romano says
To Westerners saying God or a supposed religious text instructs you to behead people it mentally deranged. The West continues to ignore the fact that the people who carry out these atrocities truly believe they are justified and doing the right thing.
Just goes to show just how sick, stupid, ridiculous, inane, incompetent, ignorant and failing our court system and it’s officials are.
Carolyne says
You are absolutely correct. Those Muslims who are obeying the Koran and killing “Infidels” believe they are doing right just as strongly as Christians believe in Jesus. They will never change and the only solution is to keep them away from us.