This is an admission that Muhammad’s sayings can lead to terrorism.
And that has been obvious all along. After all, the man is depicted in the hadith as saying: “I have been made victorious through terror” (Bukhari 4.52.220)
“Saudi Arabia to vet use of Prophet’s sayings to counter extremism,” Reuters, October 18, 2017:
RIYADH (Reuters) – Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, is to monitor interpretations of the Prophet Mohammad’s teachings to prevent them being used to justify violence or terrorism, the Culture and Information Ministry has said.
In a decree, King Salman ordered the establishment of an authority to scrutinize uses of the “hadith” – accounts of the sayings, actions or habits of the Prophet that are used by preachers and jurists to support teachings and edicts on all aspects of life.
The ministry said late on Tuesday that the body’s aim would be to “eliminate fake and extremist texts and any texts that contradict the teachings of Islam and justify the committing of crimes, murders and terrorist acts”.
The body will be based in Medina and overseen by a council of senior Islamic scholars from around the world, according to the decree. The ministry offered no specific details of how it would work in practice.
Islamist groups such as Islamic State and al Qaeda have used interpretations of hadiths – numbered in the thousands and pored over by scholars for centuries – to justify violence and to urge supporters to carry out attacks.
Saudi Arabia’s approach to religious doctrine is important because of its symbolic position as the birthplace of Islam, while its oil exports allow it to fund mosques abroad.
Its ultra-conservative Wahhabi clergy have been close to the Al Saud dynasty since the mid-18th century, offering it Islamic legitimacy in return for control over mosques and universities.
The traditional Wahhabi doctrine favors a strict version of Islamic law and a return to early Muslim practices, and views Shi‘ites as heretics.
But senior clergy have denounced militant Islamist doctrines such as those of al Qaeda or Islamic State, while the government, which vets clerics in Saudi Arabia’s 70,000 mosques, has sacked many for encouraging violence or sedition….
The ministry said the body would serve Islam by creating “a solid scientific reference to vet and verify the authenticity of hadiths”, which are second in importance only to the Koran in Islam. It did not say what form the reference would take….
mummymovie says
This is some good stuff:
*First of all:
‘any texts that contradict the teachings of Islam and justify the committing of crimes, murders and terrorist acts’
-What about the multitudes upon multitudes of teachings of islam that COMMAND the committing of crimes, murders, and terrorist acts?
*Secondly:
‘The ministry said the body would serve Islam by creating “a solid scientific reference to vet and verify the authenticity of hadiths”, which are second in importance only to the Koran in Islam.’
-This indeed sounds very interesting, that is, if it goes anywhere… which it obviously won’t; it would nullify the myth of islam in its entirety.
Brian Hoff says
Our mosque after some people claim they are telling us that we need to obey then right way we check then out before we obkey then. 3 brother claibing to be come saudic Arabic tell use 3 false saying of the prophet the last one that you cannot wish than christian than merry christmas. When we chech with Saudic Arabic there is no just saying of the prophet in fact he wish the christian in Medine than merry Christmas.
Jayell says
Could you repeat that in English, please?
gravenimage says
“DefenderofIslam” is incapable of expressing himself cogently in English–or any other language.
The idea that the “Prophet” Muhammed went around heartily wishing the filthy Infidels a Merry Christmas is pretty amusing, though…
C T says
If all they do is declare invalid the ahadith calling for death to reformers, apostates, and other “sinners” (according to their belief), they’ll have made a huge step towards bringing peace to the Islamic peoples of the world (and their neighbors). Almost no one (except for radical secularists) has problems with voluntary codes of conduct and worship; the abomination destroying Islam is the force used to make people follow it. The world could consist of only followers of Muhammed, and they would slaughter each other because of the ahadith telling them to do so over doctrinal differences.
eduardo odraude says
This change may be in response to specific (privately made) demands by the Trump administration. In some ways Saudi Arabia is extremely dependent on the US, so Trump might have some leverage on them.
Still, it’s a reform that seems unlikely to be carried out in any meaningful way.
Jayell says
The whole thing’s ridiculous. If this is supposed to be some kind of ‘reform’ it’s invalid from the start since their so-called faith specifically forbids any interference with the ‘word of Allah’, and, true to type, the Saudis don’t seem to be doing that anyway. So what’s the point of monitoring the apparently correct use of their holy diktats by criminal elements when will be clear to even the most intellectually-challenged single-cell organism that these criminal elements are simply obeying the diktats word-for-word? Won’t that simply prove the fundamental criminality of Islam? Or do the Saudis really believe that we kuffar don’t have the intellectual capacity of single-cell organisms to comprehend even that self-evident fact?
roger woodhouse says
Without the threat of ‘violence ‘Islam has nothing to back it up.The alternative to violence surely is ‘love’which Christianity has in abundance.Therefore Islam will become redundant and shrivel away..Just when is the penny going to drop for Muslims.?
carol says
They aren’t touching the “divine revelation” called the Koran and it actually encourages ALL the violence they’ll ever need in order to continue their pagan, sacrificial follies. The Hadith are merely questionable reports of the words and actions of Mohammed, supposedly collected from those who actually knew him. Hadith can be doctored up to suit the times and then the rug can be pulled out whenever they have newer whims is my expectation (bait and switch). Oh, the endless, pointless arguments to quibble over while life peters out!!
Per Dr. Bill Warner’s video The True Nature of Islam shows:
1/ The MECCAN KORAN has 0% devoted to JIHAD (while Muslims were a minority in a city with no Jews and thus no rejection and thus no violence and thus almost zilch by way of “converts”);
2/ The MEDINAN KORAN has 24% of it devoted to JIHAD (the true face of Mohammed emerged and “conversions” rose alarmingly);
3/ The SIRA (his life story) naturally has the highest incidence of JIHAD since this was the ambitious type of violent life he led – 67%;
4/ Coming in second last in devotion to Jihad is the HADITH – a mere 21%.
Looks like window-dressing with Reuters helping promote misleading propaganda statements such as:
“Islamist groups such as Islamic State and al Qaeda have used interpretations of HADITHS – numbered in the thousands and pored over by scholars for centuries – to justify violence and to urge supporters to carry out attacks.”
This conveniently overlooks the real KULPRIT which is the KORAN. The poster Anti-jihad looks like he’s here to distract everyone from the main issue as well.
GPT says
At least Reuters is saying that Al Qaeda and ISIS are following Islamic teachings.
gravenimage says
It’s just more BS. No one should take this seriously.
Jaladhi says
This is total lip service. This will not change anything – oh yeah , 6he Western leaders will again show total confidence in Saudi’s ability to control the real meaning of Mo/allah’s criminal teachings.
Benedict says
“The ministry said the body would serve Islam…” –
Any ministry and person that serve Islam will ultimately be devoured by the evil spirits conjured up by the incantations of the Koran. The Frankenstein monster, brought into the world by Mohammad, is destined to turn against those who uphold its existence.
How to open the eyes of these blind and blinded Muslims?
LeftisruiningCanada says
“Any ministry and person that serve Islam will ultimately be devoured by the evil spirits conjured up by the incantations of the Koran”
There is more than a little truth to that. Funny how only a Europe after a century of committed Materialism could be overtaken by this evil, it having resisted and held strong for so many centuries before.
roger woodhouse says
Yes indeed .The West has left the door wide open after spending the past 60 years that I am aware of trying to destroy the very fabric of its society namely Christianity.Islam has happily filled that void.The left will have its eyes opened to its folly
Benedict says
The Left is manipulated by the powers of evil to prepare the way for Islam, and when its mission is accomplished Islam will feast on its carcass. “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”
Ren says
How could Saudi Arabia monitor interpretations of the Prophet Mohammad’s teachings to prevent them being used to justify violence or terrorism while it still practices decapitation, submission of women, persecution of gays and religious minorities, etc. HOW?
overman says
Exactly Ren, it’s two-faced hypocrisy.
Westman says
No one can take this seriously because the world Sunni authority of correct Hadith and Sira narratives is Egypt’s Al-Azhar University and it’s “scholars”.
If all the Hadith was thrown out, the Quran is still full of hate for unbelivers, Jews, and the diminution of women – more than enough to justify violent jihadists and their ambitions.
Georg says
“Saudi Arabia to monitor use of Muhammad’s sayings in order to counter jihad terrorism”
“This is an admission that Muhammad’s sayings can lead to terrorism.”
Bingo. Bango. Bongo.
RCCA says
A very big deal, especially considering the vast majority of the 9-11 jihad terrorists were Saudis. Should get massive media coverage. Kudos to Jihadwatch for reporting on a development which arguably “could never happen.”
gravenimage says
I’m sorry, RCCA–this is not a big deal at all.
Saudi Arabia has said it will act to counter Jihad terror many times before–all they mean is that they are going to try to persuade Jihadists that *attacking Saudi Arabia* itself and trying to overthrow its leaders is un-Islamic–not that there is anything wrong with waging violent Jihad against Infidels itself is wrong.
Here are some similar stories:
“Saudi jihadi rehab program seeks less to give jihadis different view of Islam than to reinforce primacy of Saudi state”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/saudi-arabias-jihadi-rehab-program-seeks-less-to-give-jihadis-different-view-of-islam-than-to-reinforce-primacy-of-saudi-state
“Saudi Arabia claims to have fired “thousands” of “extremist” imams”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/saudi-arabia-claimed-to-have-fired-thousands-of-extremist-imams
The first story is the most salient here.
overman says
Yeah, it’s all a ‘Taqiyya’ bluff to make them look like the good guys of lslam.
Why the hell do they need 70,000 mosques? LOL
RCCA says
Clearly the devil is in the details. Remains to be seen what hadiths they will correct, etc.
Even so IMO the media should be emphasizing this effort and holding the Saudis accountable. I hope that Robert will be able to keep track of this development.
I suspect that President Trump is continuing to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to crack down on terrorism; that was the purpose of the big summit which met while he was visiting.
carol says
They’re undoubtedly “obliged” to show appreciation for the big arms deal.
gravenimage says
RCCA, this is sadly nothing new. Saudi Arabia has pretended to “fight terrorism” many times.
Given they are one one of the biggest backers of Jihad terror, we would to my mind be foolish to take them at their word.
Darryl Kerney says
completely contradictory,
not a chance that they will go against any of the real and accepted hadith that do in fact mandate jihad warfare, and not just defensive jihad.
Wellington says
Lipstick on a pig. (Enjoyed extra so being able to suggest a pork metaphor.)
utis says
This is like Al Capone taking charge of the ATF or its 1920’s equivalent. If jihad were funny, I could laugh at this farce.
Frank Anderson says
Somebody has to write, “The fox guarding the hen house.” Pure Islamic lying in progress-anything to deceive and obtain advantage over infidels.
overman says
““I have been made victorious through terror” (Bukhari 4.52.220)“
Always worth remembering when debating muslim apologists.
WorkingClassPost says
The key here is in the phrase “…sacked for encouraging violence or sedition” and my guess is that it is the sedition part that the Saudis are really concerned with (and of course, violence against themselves).
gravenimage says
*Exactly*, WorkingClassPost.
Karen says
You’re 100% correct.
Voytek Gagalka says
It would be very interesting to see how they will “monitor” his sayings. Are they going to CENSOR what to show? Reinterpret him? If they do, that can be tantamount to opening the can of worms and the end of Islam because that would require scraping of most of Qur’an which routinely uses the most vile and violent verses (sayings of “Allah”).
gravenimage says
The Saudis just don’t want these sayings used against them–that means asserting that they are proper Islamic rulers. That’s all this is about.
carol says
You expect consistency?
Adam says
“Islam is in its essence stationary, and was framed thus to remain. Sterile like its God, lifeless like its First Principle and Supreme Original, in all that constitutes true life, – for life is love, participation and progress and all these the Koranic Deity has none, it just repudiates all change, all advance, all development.”
“Islam saw Allah, but not man; saw the claims of deity, not the rights of humanity, saw authority, failed to see freedom, therefore hardened into despotism.
its governments are not governments. it makes life barren and empty, It encourages a savage pride and cruelty. It makes men tyrants or slaves, women puppets, religion the submission to an infinite despotism.”
muslims, the worst of people.
Keys says
“Saudi Arabia … is to monitor interpretations of the Prophet Mohammad’s teachings to prevent them being used to justify violence or terrorism.”
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Wouldn’t want any of its Saudi citizens from the birthplace of jihad to fly jetliners into buildings.
Keys says
It appears the Saudi rulers are becoming Islamophobic !
Terry Gain says
Let me know when Saudi Arabia permits the contrcuction of Christian churches and Synogogues. Until then I will remain a devoted Islamohobe.
Robeaver says
I would think sodomy Arabia has exactly 911 reasons for doing this. And a b####h isn’t one. But they all have sons. Would that make them…………???????? Just asking.
Stan Lee says
Can anyone, other than a Muslim, place any reliance in Saudi Arabia taking responsibility “to monitor” their prophet’s words concerning the koran’s interpretations of jihad terrorism. (As if there is a vast difference between terrorism and Jihad terrorism!
MFritz says
Just a dog and pony show for the US. Nothing else.
Don’t forget – EVERY SINGLE WORD a Saudi imam spouts against the West has been paid by the very same government. And they most certainly won’t stop.
fbijihadidefender says
Great, the first Jihadist Mohammad’s words can be used for countering Jihad.
carol says
Maybe the poor fellow was just misunderstood? Or so they would have the unschooled think. Hope springs eternal while Islam marches and rattles on.
Dacritic says
“Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, is to monitor interpretations of the Prophet Mohammad’s teachings to prevent them being used to justify violence or terrorism… The ministry said late on Tuesday that the body’s aim would be to ‘eliminate fake and extremist texts and any texts that contradict the teachings of Islam and justify the committing of crimes, murders and terrorist acts’”.
Monitor “interpretations”?? Oh they mean they themselves would like to impose their own “interpretations” on the very obviously sayings and teachings of Muhammad?
“Eliminate fake and extremist texts that contradict the teachings of Islam…”??? None of those Hadith were fake, and I thought those WERE the very teachings of Islam??
Fucking bull crap… I grew up among Muslims and know them too well to hate, but sometimes you just wonder at the capacity that people have for lying to themselves, and to the world.
carol says
Meanwhile the predatory indoctrination in Western mosques and schools continues to be very well-funded by the Saud’s in order to keep their other half – the Wahhabis – serene and themselves enthroned.
guest says
Ok…U have read that the original translation of this hadith is not ” Terror” but “awe”….
I think it would be better to check those basics at first ans then iuscuss about it.
Ask some lebanese Christians in the US.
They are able to translate from the original.
WorkingClassPost says
Is that awe as in awful?
FYI says
….Speaking of really awkward and embarrassing sayings of muhammed..
{Sahih bukhari 8 :82:794} mo recommends his followers drink.. camel urine as a tonic
{and Sahih Muslim 16:4130}
{Sahih muslim 3901}muhammed the slave trader sells TWO BLACK SLAVES …
{Sahih bukhari 5:58:234/Sahih bukhari 7:62:88} muhammed and his 9 year old “wife” Aisha…whom he got engaged to..when she was SIX YEARS OLD..
It is not just muhammed’s constant promotion of violations of God’s Commandments
{murder,capturing and enslaving women(=adultery),polygamy,lying to promote islam,stealing from infidels..):it is also the amoral and immoral teachings concerning his involvement with women,having a child bride and slave trading.
…..all of which are to found in the hadith of muhammed so muslims cannot complain
since these warped teachings are part of official islamic teachings.
YorkshireKufir says
Hoild on Muhammed’s entire career was based on hate and violence, The Saudi authorities might as well order themselves to stop breathing. – Not that bad an idea – The ideology is imploding.
mortimer says
Dear Kafir, it looks the Saudi king has realized that the texts themselves are the problem.
How will he stop people from using them?
Does this mean he is going to remove jihad materials from Saudi school texts?
Soddy Barbaria teaches jihad and hatred of kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’ at ALL LEVELS of education, as well as EXPORTING school texts with these teachings to all countries in the world.
Will Soddy Barbaria now stop EXPORTING JIHADIST BOOKS? Somehow, I doubt it.
mortimer says
What? Restrictions only on the hadiths? What about the 164 JIHAD VERSES in the Koran? Can they not restrict the following as well?
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008
WorkingClassPost says
Hey, I like your list, Mortimer.
Maybe we can ask SPLC to add it to their own version of ‘hate’ list?
Frank Anderson says
Working, the more attention SPLC gets, the more money it collects.
Jorgen says
These: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad
Deep Biswas says
Haha this is too funny, Saudi Arabia will monitor terrorism, the ghost and the exorcist are the same person hahahaha
Mahendra Singh says
I feel much safer now against Al Q, ISIS, Ansar-ul-Islam,
Lashkar-ul-Taiyabba, and a dozen other -al-, -ul-, -e-, terror outfits
operating in the world. Thank you Saudi Arabia. But Mahomet
himself established himself through very clever use of terror.
That is one doubt I have.