A senior government adviser has told the BBC that the authorities are not prosecuting many Islamic State volunteers, believing they should be reintegrated rather than punished.
Britain continues to expose its citizens to danger and jihad attacks. The UK is currently facing the most severe terror threat ever.
If Britain is hoping to enter these Islamic State jihadists into deradicalization programs, they don’t work. Professor Boaz Ganor, from the International Policy Institute for Counter Terrorism once stated that deradicalization is “practically impossible”; the London Tube jihad bomber had attended a deradicalization program; and France’s only jihadi deradicalization center was closed because it was based on voluntary participation as it should be, and it was empty.
Quite some time ago, Jihad Watch reported the real reason why returning jihadists were not being prosecuted. It was because UK officials feared seeming “anti-Muslim.”
“UK Anti-Terror Tsar: UK Authorities Not Prosecuting Islamic State Returnees to Avoid Creating a ‘Lost Generation”, by Jack Montgomery, Breitbart, October 21, 2017:
A senior government adviser has told the BBC that the authorities are not prosecuting many Islamic State volunteers, believing they should be reintegrated rather than punished.
Max Hill QC, who acts as the government’s Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation, told Radio 4 that “we do have a significant number [of Islamic State volunteers] already back in this country who have previously gone to Iraq and Syria” — currently estimated at something over 400.
“That means that the authorities have looked at them, and looked at them hard, and decided that they do not justify prosecution, and really we should be looking towards reintegration and moving away from any notion that we’re going to lose a generation thanks to this travel.”
“But that’s fascinating,” responded the BBC presenter.
“Because there is a school of thought, isn’t there, that looks and these people and thinks, ‘Well hang on a second they’ve gone to a place where mass murders were being committed, they’ve gone there voluntarily, they’ve gone there presumably because they have some enthusiasm for what was happening there’ — it is odd to treat them as if they’ve committed no offence,” he said.
“And it’s not a decision that MI5 and others will have taken lightly,” responded Hill.
“But they have left space, and I think they’re right to do so, for those who … travelled out of a sense of naivety, possibly with some brainwashing along the way, possibly in their mid-teens … We have to leave space for those individuals to diverted away from the criminal courts,” he insisted.
Having previously played Devil’s Advocate, the presenter appeared to accept this at face value.
“That’s a thoroughly interesting one isn’t it Richard Barrett,” he said to his other guest, a former MI6 global counter-terrorism director. “Actually, surprising numbers, possibly, of these people, are actually not necessarily a danger to us.”
“I think that’s absolutely right,” agreed Barrett. “Many of them, I think, went to join something new, something that looked bright and attractive … and came back highly disillusioned,” he suggested.
Hill conceded that there was no doubt that some of the people in question will have carried out “the most serious criminal offences” in Iraq and Syria, but assured viewers that “in any case where there is evidence of that” they would appear before a criminal court.
How evidence of crimes committed in a jihadist-controlled warzone might be gathered was left unexplained, however……
John says
more concerned about jihadi than their future victims.
mortimer says
I have until now assumed that NAIVETY or NOT KNOWING THE LAW is not a defense.
Why does MI5 have the right to decide who should be prosecuted, it not being a legal authority?
Each of them should be tried. It is beyond belief that they will not get a slap on the wrist or any punishment whatsoever for fighting their country.
Everyone who served in the military will be outraged. The UK legal profession has collectively lost its mind.
mortimer says
Clarification: or any punishment whatsoever for fighting AGAINST their country.
Christopher says
Is this how high treason is punished in England nowadays? How times have changed.
mortimer says
HIGH TREASON in the United Kingdom consists of levying war against the sovereign and adhering to the sovereign’s enemies, giving them aid or comfort. The last treason trial was that of William Joyce, “Lord Haw-Haw”, who was executed by hanging in 1946.
Since the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 became law, the maximum sentence for treason in the UK has been life imprisonment.
These jihadist traitors waged war against the United Kingdom and their punishment should be a life sentence.
Christopher says
We have become too soft. Allowing traitors to live, and our own taxes going to keep them comfortable..t Let them be met by a firing squad. There is only one punishment for treason.
Jayell says
A traitor is a formerly fully paid-up member of the club who then betrays the club. These ‘naive’ (sic) specimens just turned up at the club door and were given their UK membership cards just so they could use the facilities, which they proceeded to abuse along with the established members. They never paid the subscription nor even read and understood the rule book since they simply assumed they could just do their own thing. So when their little fling with their chums in the downtown mafia went wrong when the cops broke it up, they sneaked back through goods entrance to enjoy big plasma screen TV again and smash up the bar. But they’re only naive!
Santa Voorhees says
First off, how on Earth can they pretend to “reintegrate” returning jihadists when they clearly don’t know what Islam teaches?
As Robert noted many times, deradicalization programs” are based off false premises. They think Islam teaches peace and so all it needs to be done is show jihadists how they are misunderstanding the Quran, or something along those lines.
The UK is run by clowns. No joke. They had a fence where the sheeps were kept in, and they’ve opened it to the wolves, thinking that they will get along just fine!
No wonder why they had many attacks this year alone!
I wonder about leftists says
Uk totally mad. We all have choices to make in our lives and every choice has a reaction. If we the people are making wrong choices we are landing in court, why not muslims? They go out with their families and
damn wel know what they are going to do and then when it does not please them, because I presume their life is not so luxurious as in the UK come back, are expecting all the pampering again and if not , are getting upset, and cry wolf. They all and European governments know exactly what is happening and the poor “naive” sons of jihad know it, but are laughing their heads of, while our heads are laying on the line to
be cut of. Coward governments in the top of all European countries, so cowardly and we have to keep waiting for all those atrocities? I don’t think so. Muslims blew it, they bit the hand that fed them in a
terrible way. They should get out! NOW!
vyx says
So, if a man says something negative about Islam on social media, he can be prosecuted and jailed.
However, if a muslim returns from fighting against UK forces in the middle east, he is welcomed back into society and not seen as a threat. He’s also eligible to receive generous social benefits.
Yep. Seems like the UK is under Sharia Law.
LeftisruiningCanada says
That’s about the sum of this situation, yes.
Pretty amazing state of affairs when, as you say, one only needs to play a silly song about osama bin laden to have the police turn up en masse BUT, take a break in sunny Syria for some islamic jihad and you’re Englands most needy little misguided baby who should be pampered back into unproductive life at everyones expense…..
Annemarie says
Oh wow and here’s me thinking this was only happening in Australia. We are having people prosecuted for making detrimental remarks in regards to Muslims whilst they can say what they like about us. Our government is paying them benefits without any checks and balances done first and at the same time making it harder for those (Aussie’s) with a disability to get a pension. We aren’t in as bad a way as you guys in the UK but we are getting that way. I think all of our smug leaders need a drastic shake up.
David M says
This is how the left thinks, some people or groups are above the law, due to political correctness.
Look at Hillary Clinton caught with classified e-mails & secrets on her home computers, shared it with other people. Open & shut case of treason, should have been in court to answer charges by now, let off by the stooge Comey because she is above the law.
Pet Charles says
How much more evidence do we need to see that Europe and America financed ISIS and at least tacitly created ISIS to destabilize the region. How can the UK and other European countries call for the prosecution of predominantly African leaders for war crimes but let ISIS fighters back in? Sooner or later one of those fighters will blow up and attack citizens at home.
b.a. freeman says
yes, we financed and armed those who ultimately became IS, because our leaders are either useful idiots who are more afraid of being labeled islamophobic than of letting their fellow citizens be murdered, or are actual leftist traitors who don’t want the stinking masses to know about islam. so as to allow their proxy army of pious muslims to inflict the maximum amount of damage on society so that they can seize control of it. all leaders should be trying to protect those who elected them, but there is not a single leader of the west (outside of eastern europe) who knows anything about islam. when fools and traitors are running the show, one would be well advised to plan on the worst possible outcome.
gravenimage says
Another false and tedious claim that violent Jihad was created and waged by the “filthy Infidels”. Try again, creep.
sculthorpe23 says
In all fairness to this bloke b.a. freeman, please point out what you believe to be factually “false and tedious” about what he wrote?!
What b.a. freeman says does not even state, much less claim, that “violent Jihad was created and waged by the “filthy Infidels,” these are your words!
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like these Muslims being in my UK either, especially returning IS blokes.
And finally, why do you have to call him a “creep?” Rather mean-spirited…don’t you think?
gravenimage says
I was not replying to b.a. freedman–I was replying to Pet Charles.
He has claimed here before that Infidels created violent Jihad.
Stan Lee says
In addition to the UK’s appeasement of Islam, because it could require effort on the UK’s myopic government otherwise, the UK leadership are in office to betray the interests of British people, while taking the pains to enable every Muslim on British soil and looking the other way as the “Muslim camel drives its master out of the tent to be exposed to the sandstorm.” Even as it was “the master,” in this case the British people, who tried being compassionate to the greedy camel in the first place.
Michael Copeland says
“Max Hill QC, … the government’s Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation’, is qualified in English law, and reviews proposed English laws. He gives himself away that he is not familiar with Sharia law, easily available in “Reliance of the Traveller”.
Shame on Max Hill QC.
b.a. freeman says
there is more than enough shame to go around. i think that we should also be looking at treason; it is simply not possible that this many people are so stupid that not a single one will look at islam.
gravenimage says
There is a lot of willful ignorance regarding Islam–both among the general public and with our “leaders”.
Anne Smith says
Typical of the modern left wing Marxist leaning lawyers elevated above their ability by Tony Blair and his appalling lawyer wife, Cherie.
This man speaks of a “lost generation”. What would he know about that? Don’t suppose he has ever got his hands grubby with any kind of defence work, let alone visited the British War Graves Commission cemeteries around Europe and the r est of the world, to see the many thousands of graves. That is our lost generation,the cream of British youth and valour who laid down their lives to defend our country, not a few foreigners from Pakistan and its surrounds who emigrated into Britain and now wish to destroy it.
Michael Copeland says
Have people noticed how the verb “integrate” has been subtly and silently transformed?
Previously it was the newcomers who needed to integrate with the indigenous people.
Now it is the indigenous people who must “integrate” the newcomers, and it is their fault if it does not happen.
Neat, isn’t it?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Good point. People in the UK always said that new immigrants acted like they were owed everything…..seems as if acting a certain way can make it so!
gravenimage says
Good observation, Michael.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“Hill conceded that there was no doubt that some of the people in question will have carried out “the most serious criminal offences” in Iraq and Syria, but assured viewers that “in any case where there is evidence of that” they would appear before a criminal court.”
You would think that going there and staying there for extended periods would be evidence enough?
What do these law people think they were doing over there? Dish washing duty for the jihadi halal kitchens or something? Chances are good that if you, as a westerner, turned up at an Isis base looking for a way to join up, the first thing they’d have you doing would be proving yourself a true jihadi by killing people. Gangs do that kind of entry test all the damn time to get you committed, right?
I hope these returning jihadi filth (who, if they were really repentant, disillusioned etc would be either too ashamed to go back to the UK, or showing their repentance in sack cloth and ashes) will be very carefully examined….on a lie detector, many times, with good operators and perhaps some chemical loosener’s.
b.a. freeman says
lie detectors aren’t very accurate, but i like the idea of a little mind play! sleep deprivation works almost as well, and with the right mixture, i think we could learn a lot about the way these guys think
or we could just go straight to the quran and sahih hadith collections to see what they say. i think a better test is to make sure that they either were with IS or were not with them; in the former case, they should spend the rest of their lives in prison. the only reason i don’t want the government to kill them is that i don’t trust the government with the power to kill those in its power (outside of battle, i mean). these vermin are infected with a fatal mind disease for which there is no human cure. they need to be isolated from the uninfected (even in prison) and never released.
PRCS says
I’ve used the picture at the top of this thread many times: in response to the Islam as race claim/assertion.
bob says
We should take the line that the French are taking. Allow Syria, Iraqi and Kurdish to kill the poison of ISIS to stop it coming out and over here. We know they only want the death and destruction of the West so why try to de-radicalise them when it ain’t gonna happen??
Voytek Gagalka says
“Deradicalization programs” cannot work because subject of that effort (those who they hope to “deradicalize” know more about Islam than those “professors” from the west who suppose to “teach” subject “new peaceful Islam” and thus “deradicalize” them. It would equally be futile to decriminalize criminals by those who ignore to acknowledge why criminals are… criminals.
utis says
As i kid, I read a group of science fiction stories by C.M. Kornbluth, titled “The Marching Morons.” I didn’t like the eugenics philosophy of the author, but the title has stuck in my mind for decades. A least in that series, overpopulation of the world by morons was solved by the intelligent humans working like fiends to keep the system from crashing.
Unfortunately, in today’s world, the morons are holding the reins of government, social services and academe. The authentically smart people had better step up now, because all I can see ahead is a sharia world or other dictatorships that will at least fight sharia — violently. Western people, get the morons off your back for the sake of your children and grandchildren.
Sarah says
Frankly, I feel like I’m losing my mind, over here.
None of this makes sense. Why let them back in? You can cancel the passports, remove the citizenship of every single Muslim in the UK today, right now, if Home Office wanted to.
Sure, they’d cop some heat from Merkel and Macron and Rutte and a few others – but so what? What can they really do? Do you think Germany is going to drum up an army to march on the UK to force them to reinstate the citizenship of a bunch of stateless terrorists?
I’d like to see them try.
The UN and International Law are only powerful if everyone toes the line and adheres to it. No-one is calling for a massacre – just renounce citizenship and boot the scum out. That’d solve all of our problems. If we kicked out every single last one of them. Can’t have a terror attack when you don’t have Muslims in your midst.
Roving gangs of Paki scum can’t groom and gang rape, assault, torture and threaten masses of young girls in the UK – when there are no longer any Paki’s in the UK. (Yeah try and show me how many Pakistani Christians are living in England. If there even are any Pakistani Christians aboard these days)
These Politicians are cowards. Cowards and scum themselves. They have blood on their hands and they don’t care. The fact that NOTHING CHANGED after the Manchester bombing at the Ariana Grande concert, was enough for me.
That these Politicians can allow kids to suffer having nails in their faces, having their little limbs blown off, having their flesh shredded – and those scumbag Politicians can allow it without ever doing ANYTHING to prevent it from happening again?
The British Politicians will never do their job. They will never fix the mess they created. The Brit’s need to rise up. Its the only way to ditch these Politicians and force the change that is needed – just so you an rescue yourselves and your nation.
gravenimage says
Yes–just don’t let them back in.
sculthorpe23 says
Hear, hear! Well said Sarah! Rise up and ditch our cowardly politician scumbags and throw them out with the all Muslims! Merkel and Macron and Rutte and all the others can kiss me bloody arse too. Time to force change in the streets, I say! Time for roving gangs of strong men to give it out to the Muslim scum what they have been giving us and see how they like it, eh?
Lydia says
Is that the policy they employ with ALL criminals in the UK?
I’ll be willing to surmise the answer is…………………….
No.
Special treatment… again.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“The Tommy Robinson Show” (COMING SOON!)
Matthieu Baudin says
“…And it’s not a decision that MI5 and others will have taken lightly,” responded Hill…”
Well they’re sounding very brave and resolute about their decision to not enforce the law. Only the other day it seemed as though the whole show was being directed by shrinking violets. Sometimes events move quickly!
gravenimage says
UK anti-terror chief: UK is “integrating,” not prosecuting, Islamic State returnees
……………………..
Yeah–good luck with that.
How long before we hear of these “integrated” Jihadists murdering Britons?
MFritz says
Could you imagine – just for a moment – the Irish government doing the very same for – former – IRA-terrorists in the 1980s? THE OUTRAGE in the UK media and politics would have been unbelievable.
But since it’s “only” muslim terrorists, they can be integrated, sure thing…
Pablo says
The powers to be are hell bent on self destruct. More victimization to follow and off course their thoughts and prayers are with the victims.
FYI says
The UK is …..dis-integrating.
Thanks to the political establishment,the police and the judiciary in what is now Britanistan.
Richard C de L says
This Hill is a disgusting low life of the same calibre as his ISIS friends. These monsters went to join ISIS so as to participate in raping their sex slaves and participate in burning and drowning people in cages apart from their other bestial attrocities. Forget about innocent until proved guilty. How can you just give them the benefit of the doubt and have these murderers and rapists walking the streets of England. Not to forget they are also habitual liars.
Henner720 says
it is like to send hitlerjugend to sommercamp in dorset, let them play soccer, and sweat it out. 1400 years of engeneering a spiritual ideology can be fixed with some stiff upperlipp and some dorset.