The council apologized and reinstated Tina Gayle and her Knights Templar mugs (how can I get one?), but that these mugs were controversial at all is an indication of how much the British people have already submitted to Sharia norms forbidding criticism of Islam.
“The person who complained wasn’t offended himself, but thought Muslims might be.”
That person is a slave seeking slavery. It is good that this time sanity won out, but present downward trends continue.
“Council apologises for banning woman for selling Knight Templar mugs,” Sky News, October 14, 2017:
A market stall holder who has been banned for selling Knights Templar crusader mugs which some feared might offend Muslims may get a reprieve.
Vintage book seller Tina Gayle got an apology from the council after she had been originally told she had to leave her pitch of three years in Loughborough Vintage Market, Leicestershire….
The mugs at the centre of the row feature a medieval knight and the Christian chivalric order’s Latin motto, which translates as: “Not to us Lord, not to us, but to your name give the glory”.
The mugs brought one complaint….
She was handed a letter on 6 October stating she was in breach of Charnwood Council’s trading terms and conditions and had to leave her pitch at the market.
The council now says it had “got this one wrong”, and has apologised for the way it handled the matter….
Ms Gayle said she had been told the council “had a complaint that the mugs might be offensive to Muslims”.
She added: “The person who complained wasn’t offended himself, but thought Muslims might be.
“I’ve never had a Muslim come into my stall and say they were offended by the mugs.”
mortimer says
Christian symbols are ‘OFFENSIVE’ in an officially Christian country?
Jihadist paraphernalia however are EVERYWHERE and WELCOME. This is insanity.
The Muslim uniform is a SUPREMACIST CODE, if you know how to read it.
The JIHADI CLIPPED MUSTACHE is ‘OFFENSIVE’ to me because it is a SECRET SIGNAL that tells Muslims whom they should and should not kill during JIHAD.
Most people don’t know that. I would like to ban JIHADI CLIPPED MUSTACHES as DANGEROUS TO SOCIETY!
le mouron rouge says
mortimer says
October 16, 2017 at 11:25 am
Christian symbols are ‘OFFENSIVE’ in an officially Christian country?
Jihadist paraphernalia however are EVERYWHERE and WELCOME. This is insanity.
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I agree, Mortimer.
These kinds of responses are not surprising since the U.K. has turned to Secular Humanism.
In general, the God of the Bible has been discarded and “man” through “big government” has taken His place.
Many churches in the U.K have closed down and are now, Mosques, abandoned or a business.
What can one expect when a society has lost its moral compass, more of the same dysfunctional decisions.
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments.”
– James Madison (1751-1836)
ah ha says
You are 100 percent correct. However I would like to know- how can I buy one of her mugs from the U.S.?
Danny Helton says
where can i buy one of her mugs.?
Dec Uman says
Minorities rule in UK. It only takes 1 person to disagree and there is a knee jerk reaction by authorities to comply without thinking!
gravenimage says
It was not even a Muslim who complained–just a dhimmi Infidel who thought Muslims *might* be offended.
PaulM says
Ya for sure. Just another globalist, spineless, cowardly frightened, timid little boy/man who probably still lives in mummy’s basement or closet or under the stairs, cowering at the very thought that maybe one of the big, bad, muslim child molesting thugs might get upset with him.
What a nation of pussies.
Bob says
PaulM – you’re altogether too offensively sure of yourself! If you’re American, the States seems to be going the same way, more slowly but just as surely, I fear!
PaulM says
Yes Bob, you are right. All of us here in North America are sitting in the same sewer, different toilet and only a little behind you all on the devolution scale. I comment aggressively in the hopes that surely to goodness some one will wake up and take up arms, or at least retaliate against this scum in some meaningful (physical?) way. My mother was born and raised in London and I have many friends and relatives there who feel the same way that I do. I should qualify my vitriol by clarifying that it is meant for the majority voters who defend and support and condone muslim behaviour. And sadly there does not seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. The only vociferous, sensible voice in the UK seems to be Pat Condell. Bless his courageous heart.
gravenimage says
Paul, don’t forget Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer himself.
Guy Macher says
I suppose calling Mohamed a lying, looting, raping, murdering, kiddy-diddling prophet of Satan, aka Allah, is out-of-bounds, too. Very touchy these Muslim barrows!
PaulM says
LMAO…Yes touchy indeed.
Benedict says
Prince Charles, the ‘Defender of Faiths’, would quite probably agree with the original decision of the Counsel and also with its retraction and apology.
How could Great Britain possibly do without him?
gravenimage says
I wish the news of the Queen deciding that the succession would skip Charles reported in Life & Style Magazine had not proven to be mistaken.
Benedict says
I wonder if this UK counsel also is conducting their jihad against the Salvation Army? Or if this organization preemptively has grown beards and banned bacon in order to fit into the prevailing multi culture?
Raja says
Democracy, the cross, the way the Brits look or dress or eat are odious to Muslims. The Brits should go that extra mile to change those too. In return what has the Muslims done to non Muslims in Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the list is endless.
Is UK setting new standards when Muslims are actively working ON CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY either actively or passively? UK- what a skewed justice and a SELF INFLICTED CURSE !
Stan Lee says
Tina Gayle ought to advertise sale of Knight Templar mugs in U.S. periodicals such as Hunting-Fishing magazines, magazines catering to gun owners, marksmen, and history buffs. Also certain Christian periodicals. I believe she’d be a busy lady responding to interested persons expressing interest in collecting such mugs. Also, if she can arrange for an advert. in any of the Masonic periodicals, and military veteran periodicals, they would more than make up for U.K. government’s hesitancy in this matter..
In the U.S.A. there is a substantial Masonic component here which I’m sure would welcome the Knight Templar part of Masonic history.
silvergreycat says
Stan,
Ms. Gayle cab be found at LinkedIn… https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-friday-13th-october-unlucky-some-tina-walford-/
Robert says
I support Tina’s right to sell these mugs in her store, if the Muslims or anyone else are upset then don’t shop there. I’m sure there are things being sold in Muslim shops worldwide, that make other people upset, the only difference is, we don’t cry over it, we just don’t buy the product. This is also why we have consumer affairs in our country to list things, store owners are not allowed to sell. But on another note, I would like very much to purchase these mugs, so if you could provide me with the proper information to do so, I would appreciate it.
many thanks, and good shopping, Robert
John says
Give it time, and crosses and crucifixes will legally, not just voluntarily, banned. As will any public advertising for churches, then church signs, and so on.
I do not get the cultural Marxists who hate western culture so much that they are willing to commit suicide in order to bring it all down. What is coming afterwards is infinitely worse, and will drag the human race down for an eternity of darkness. Have they not looked at Islamic hell holes around the world? They are either dirt poor or so lopsided on the scale of economic equality than Marie Antoinette herself would be greasing up the guillotine.
mortimer says
The Christian chivalric orders will realize their duty to combat Islam ideologically.
Krazy Kafir says
So what if they are offended? There are so many gutless quisling dhimmis in the west, and it’s these people who will be responsible for its demise.
Carlos Danger says
Come der tag, those quislings will be called to account.
Moshe says
Before criticizing multicultural Britain, let us remember former President Obama’s trenchant insights into the relationship between religious fervor and atrocities: “Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history… And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.”
Is it unreasonable, in the world view articulated by America’s transformational young leader, to imagine that symbols of Christianity in the marketplace — even Knights Templar mugs — might bring back the trauma and humiliation of the Crusades?
The burning cross of the KKK was also a misused Christian symbol intended to terrorize. “In our home country,” Pres. Obama continued, “slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”
Mr. Spencer, by your same reasoning, you might as well be saying that President Obama himself promoted Sharia. And we know that this would be impossible.
gravenimage says
The sickening apologist for Muslim savagery “Moshe” wrote:
Before criticizing multicultural Britain, let us remember former President Obama’s trenchant insights into the relationship between religious fervor and atrocities: “Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history… And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.”
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*Of course* the repulsive “Moshe” agrees with Obama that Infidels should never defend themselves against Jihad. Bad, bad dhimmis…
More:
Is it unreasonable, in the world view articulated by America’s transformational young leader, to imagine that symbols of Christianity in the marketplace — even Knights Templar mugs — might bring back the trauma and humiliation of the Crusades?
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There really are times when I wonder if “Moshe” is putting us on–as with the above–but most of his posts have been so obviously serious that I suppose the above is, too. He is wringing his hands over the possibility that Muslims might be reminded that we actually defended against them at one time. Oh, the humanity! sarc/off
More:
The burning cross of the KKK was also a misused Christian symbol intended to terrorize. “In our home country,” Pres. Obama continued, “slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”
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The idea that the Klan was ever following the teachings of Christianity is absurd.
And “Moshe” hopes that we will forget that the West *ended* slavery, but that the Muslim world continues to practice it, in the name of Islam.
In fact, the greatest force behind abolitionism is the West were Christian churches–not as in Islam, where the “perfect man” was a slaver, slave trader, slave owner, and rapist of sex slaves.
More:
Mr. Spencer, by your same reasoning, you might as well be saying that President Obama himself promoted Sharia. And we know that this would be impossible.
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Perhaps “Moshe” is pulling our leg after all…
JayT says
Moshe must’ve put those nice dark blinders over his eyes and thick earplugs in the ears when Obama actually did what he could “under the radar” to promote Islam and thus Sharia.
Who was it again that signed the order to BAN PORK from the menus of all 122 federal prisons? hmmm? Oh, and if I remember correctly the official excuse was the prisoners didn’t like pork in general, so it made sense to drop it from the menus.
Who was it again that stood in front of the U.N. and said the future must not belong to those who would slander the Prophet? Oh, yes, that’s not promoting Islam or Sharia at all … nope.
Who was it that tried to send millions of dollars to Palestine during his final days as POTUS before the newly elected POTUS was ushered into office? Oh, yes, there’s nothing to read into that at all.
More actions were taken by far under Obama than any President in U.S. history to benefit Islam. Though, I had full confidence Hillary Clinton would’ve surpassed him in that regard had she won.
If Obama, despite his official proclamation of being a Christian, is not on a prayer rug near Mecca in the next 7 years, I’ll be shocked.
Anyways, if you aren’t aware this has already happened here in the U.S. Not, of course, in the form of a crusader mug for sale, but instead it was a Muhammed bobblehead.
Yes, the infamous Muhammed bobblehead raised such a hue and cry among Muslims in the U.S. that it was suddenly black holed one day – never to be seen for sale again. Oh, but the Jesus Christ bobblehead is still for sale as I write this. Yes, no double standard there at all.
I wonder about leftists says
THEY ARE TRYING TO COVER THEMSELVES, SO THEY can always say,we send the woman out of the market, and then later, we apologise, but they don’t take her back on the market. For me, this crazy mugs
selling on a market is a kind of childish. Let us not stoop down to the same level as muslims do.
And if you have to go all the way back, you have to go back about 100.000 of years. 4 cycles have passed already and we were never good enough to pass the equinox, we finally are and I don’t want muslims or any body else to mess this up, we have the chance now to get a higher consciousness and move towards a real peaceful planet, so I hope you all feel the same that you want that too, 4 times we did not succeed 4 times 26.000 years. So now is our chance, let us not blow it, leave that to enough leftists/globalists/elites
who know that we are in a endtime of a most horrible war period of the 4th 26.000 years. They know that too, but they are not completely sure, that is why they started to cover themselves a bit, so in the end they can always defend themselves, that they apologised . Inform yourselves what elite and governments and big companies and UN and EU are doing. you might be in for a surprise, and everybody can believe what they want, but don’t be ignorant, speak up for the truth BECAUSE THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE !!!
SOMEBODY WROTE A FEW DAYS AGO, THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO LIE IN POLITICS AND BIG COMPANIES TO MAKE AN EXTRA BUCK.
But that’s it, you don’t, that’s how it all started, almost everybody starts to lie for some way or another.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY , IT BRINGS DISASTERS IN THE END, ALWAYS !
And Muslims can never admit that they are or have been wrong, but neither can other people, and the people high up never get punished. This big mess started when Powell lied about Irak’s nuclear weapons with Bush,Cheny, and `Rumsfeld, who made a lot of money out of that war. So nobody is really clean, but it all has to stop somewhere and these atrocities unordinary people have to stop. But, muslims you are too barbaric and violent. We have had this allan this is counting for the whole world , not only for Muslims, kaffirs and Jews. Th time of feeling powerful over others and dictate them are over.
What you think is true today and you think about it later, you can change your opinion about it and in that moment, it may change your whole life into a new direction in a second.
gravenimage says
I wonder about leftists wrote:
For me, this crazy mugs
selling on a market is a kind of childish. Let us not stoop down to the same level as muslims do.
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Wait–you think that noting that we have once defended against Islam is “childish”, and is stooping to the same level as Muslims? In what *possible way*?
More:
This big mess started when Powell lied about Irak’s nuclear weapons with Bush,Cheny, and `Rumsfeld, who made a lot of money out of that war. So nobody is really clean, but it all has to stop somewhere and these atrocities unordinary people have to stop.
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Whatever you think of the “Irak” war, the idea that violent Jihad somehow began with this is much mistaken. Are you unaware that Muslims have been waging Jihad against Infidels for 1400 years now?
I wonder about leftists says
Sorry, that phrase of: I don’t want anybody to mess this up sounds arrogant ,and it was not ment to be that way. i was just trying to point out, that somewhere you have to start a new beginning and you can not go back for every war, that was ment in the Bible with LOT. God asked them to leave Sodom and Gomorrah As they were really bad places, but nowadays the world seems to be worse than Sodom and Gomorrah, that when God warned Lot,: leave, but do not look backwards, otherwise you will change in a saltpilar and she did, because she was still unhappy to leave from there.
I heard that this world at the moment is much worse than Sodom and Gomorrah then, in everything, that is why we have to better ourselves for a better world and not look and stay on looking back, otherwise we become the saltcellars. And who wants that?
DRHazard says
“I wasn’t offended until the code enforcer for the “Shariah Compliant Adult Daycare Center for Muslims” called and explained what the Knights Templar were. Now I want to chop somebody’s head off. And it also made me feel bad.
gravenimage says
UK council bans woman from market for selling Knights Templar mugs: “Might be offensive to Muslims”
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*Disgusting*.
Preemptive dhimmitude from both the tool who reported Ms. Gayle and from the Charnwood Borough Council. The only good thing is that it sounds as though they are backing down.
Lookmann says
Is there anything in the world that does not ‘offend’ the Muslims ?
Desperate to know.
gravenimage says
Violent Jihad and raping the Infidels. Muslims never seem to have much of a problem with that…
Carlos Danger says
Some “do-gooders” simply can not wait to put their neck in the yoke. What a pathetic excuse for a free Briton.
I’d buy a few of the white mugs for the faculty lounge.
Tom says
There is SO much about our western society and our values that has the potential to offend muslims, one has to ask why do we then allow them to become exposed to all of that which can be offensive?
Surely it would be much more kind for us to redirect muslims back to muslim and Islam dominated cultures such as Saudi Arabia, where their sensibilities would not be offended. THAT would, after all, be the humane thing to do.
That way we would be helping them to be integrated back into a peaceful Islamic cultural society. Instead of exposing them to our filthy, repulsive, exploitative western value system that is so very hard on their mental capabilities that it sends them into fits of rage and makes them super aggressive victims.
Why can’t we all see the logic in just helping them go back to their safe spaces?
Mark says
Can anyone send a link on where to buy those cups. I HAVE to buy them.
Karen says
See silvergreycat’s message above for the link.
Wakeup says
Until such time as we the people of the United Kingdom democratically decide otherwise this is a Christian country the Kings and Queens of England have for a thousand years had the title and role of defenders of the faith. The faith being Christianity prince charles said he wished to be regarded as defender of faith. Not good enough for me therefore without any change of heart I would not want him as King.
Long live the Queen.
John Forbes says
Actually i can honestly say that often it is the COUNCIL LEFT WING members that decide what is offensive & what is not !
It is OUR OWN people who are destroying Christianity as they have embraced NO BELIEF System !
These people need to be confronted & STOPPED from Doing these things without consultation !
Charles S says
I did a quick search for Knights Templar mug – and struck GOLD.
http://www.knightstemplar.org.uk/index.php
They sell mugs AND you can even join, become a knight or dame, and perhaps contribute something positive in these perilous times we face here in the UK and elsewhere.
I only just found the site so haven’t joined yet but will probably buy a mug to start with.
Charles S (UK)
http://www.knightstemplar.org.uk/images/products/ktukmugs.png
Charles S says
Sorry – I just noticed the link to the site of the lady in the article was posted above.
Here is her link again so we can support her by purchasing mugs there 😉
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-friday-13th-october-unlucky-some-tina-walford-/
gravenimage says
Thanks for the link, Charles. Different designs from the ones above–but still very nice.
Charles S says
Thanks, gravenimage 😉
Haven’t purchased a mug yet, but, as en English man, have now joined KT UK.
For me – it’s a first action step, better than simply complaining endlessly.
=> http://knightstemplar.org.uk
Maranatha says
“I’ve never had a muslim say they were offended by the mugs” Tina Gayle’s response .Thank God you didn’t otherwise the Uk Council would have followed trough with your dismissal . The absurdity of this statement is ironic in a freee society in a christian country and in a democracy. Muslim sensibility in England already matter so much that she doesn’t even see the fact that it shouldn’t matter weather muslims are offended or not .Further more ,I would take no apology and drag the matter all the way to the highest judicial instance for the UK Council to step down .
Henner720 says
oilmoney lets muslims hard-ons penetrate 11 year old white girls from rotherham, düring 16 years unchallenged pretending stiff upperlip fear of racism? but there is no getting free from racism only racism agains white girls now. disgust is inevitable.4 how many Months yet will pll remain unaeare of this disaster.take control back of your country plz.
R says
“The person who complained wasn’t offended himself, but thought Muslims might be.”
The prime definition of a cuck.