National Police Chiefs’ Council lead for hate crime, assistant chief constable Mark Hamilton, said: “We recognise and will uphold the right to free speech even where it causes offence – but this does not extend to inciting hatred or threatening people.”
This is an entirely meaningless statement. They will uphold the freedom of speech, but pursue and prosecute those who are “inciting hatred.” “Inciting hatred” according to whom? For years, Leftists and Islamic supremacists have characterized any and every honest analysis of the motivating ideology of the jihad threat as “inciting hatred,” rather than as an exercise of free speech that causes offense. They are, indeed, essentially the only ones talking about “hate speech” at all, and so it will be up to them to determine what it is.
This new police hub, therefore, will work to destroy what remains of the freedom of speech in Britain. While jihadis are operating in Britain more aggressively than ever, the British government is diverting valuable police resources to cracking down on the freedom of speech.
Britain is finished.
“New national police hub to crack down on trolls posting hate crime online,” Sky News, October 8, 2017:
A new national police hub will be set up to crack down on trolls posting hate crime online, Home Secretary Amber Rudd has announced.
Run by specialist officers, the hub will assess if complaints amount to a crime, work to identify perpetrators and, where appropriate, recommend the removal of hateful material to online platforms.
It will also clarify the force responsible for further action in each case.
The move is part of a drive to improve support for victims and increase prosecutions of trolls who abuse others online over their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or transgender identity.
Ms Rudd said: “What is illegal offline is illegal online, and those who commit these cowardly crimes should be met with the full force of the law.
“The national online hate crime hub that we are funding is an important step to ensure more victims have the confidence to come forward and report the vile abuse to which they are being subjected.
She added: “The hub will also improve our understanding of the scale and nature of this despicable form of abuse.
“With the police, we will use this new intelligence to adapt our response so that even more victims are safeguarded and perpetrators punished.”
National Police Chiefs’ Council lead for hate crime, assistant chief constable Mark Hamilton, said the hub would “reduce the burden on frontline officers and help bring more offenders to justice”.
He added: “We recognise and will uphold the right to free speech even where it causes offence – but this does not extend to inciting hatred or threatening people.”…
Jaladhi says
Ha, ha,.. these morons are more worried about the fictitious hate crime on line rather than the real life crimes and terrorism and gang rapes committed by Muslims!
Britain is well on its way to Islamization – even before Europe!
Alan Jennison says
Quite so.
carpediadem says
They don’t mention if they will crack down on MUSLIM hate crimes online, most of which are aimed at Jews.
I doubt it.
Bob says
Carpe – but no problem, it seems with muslim hate crimes against Jews and Christians! Our politicosl’re terrified of M’s!
gravenimage says
Dave, you have made the claim at least a dozen times now that women in Sweden are being threatened into becoming sex slaves for Muslims.
Things *are* pretty dire there–but do you have anything to back this up?
John Forbes says
I have been trying to figure out any semblance of logic & now think that NEW LABOR the creator of this mess simply did not consider ISLAM an issue because they have tossed their own faith into the dust bin long ago & have spent the last DECADES rubbishing both Religion & Britain!
Then the LEFT Allied itself with ISLAM – which is something I have totally failed to get my head around & Many pieces seem to fit as the LEFT Hates both Capitalism & the WEST but both TAKE Much from Western Societies like Medical & Welfare & Technology developed by Capitalist Companies ! It is a strange situation BUT as both have no intention of either looking or discussing the issues – CONFLICT is INEVITABLE & the sooner this happens the BETTER !!
NOW the ELEPHANT is in & carrying out the CLEARLY stated agenda & all Western Governments in their usual DISGUSTING ARROGANCE – having no ANSWERS have decided to SILENCE PROTESTS !
Anything but face the HORRIBLE REALITY !!! I cannot see any SOFT WAY FORWARD at ALL anywhere !!
Anti-jihad says
Decades ago, Winston Churchill warned about Islam. What changed? Theresa May could at least explain why she differs in opinion from Churchill. Maybe she’s too stupid or too crooked to cough up an explanation.
pandainc says
Minor point, but actually, it was a little over a century ago.
Anti-jihad says
Churchill was Prime Minister from 1940 – 1955. Anyway, time does not erode a universal truth and many other historic figures have also spoken out against Islam before and after Churchill.
Frank Anderson says
Anti, please check your dates. I believe he was ousted at the end of WWII and called back to deal with the Mau-Mau in Kenya, about 1957, which is why Obama sent back his bust to the UK embassy in 2009, upon taking office. I may be in error; but ask you to check for your own information. You might be interested in Dinesh D’Sousa’s book, The Roots of Obama’s Rage, which has more of the story and connections.
gravenimage says
It’s not often you get to say “you are all right”–but you are.
While Anti-Jihad and Frank are certainly correct about Churchill’s work during and after WWII, he first warned about the threat of Islam–as pandainc notes–much earlier, in his account in “The River Wars”, which dates from 1899.
Among other things, he said this: “Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”
Dave says
Agree. welcome to loonistan.
Westman says
Britain has never risen above the division of classes, a natural outgrowth of a feudal system. The “landed classes” still dominate the House Of Lords and consider the rest of society as the “lowers, or, “working” class.
North America was populated by people who wanted freedom from such a system and opportunity for advancement that a stratified society would not provide. It may be impossible for the UK to resist Islamification until power is rested from the “Lords”.
Just as Chamberlain tried to get peace from Hitler to preserve the holdings of the “upper” (non-working) class, today’s “wealthy” class is willing to sell out the “commoners” to keep their assets; assets that allow their insulation from the working classes and a life of luxury. However, it is the same mistake, deva vu, all over again. When the real trouble starts, expect the “lower” classes to do the defending and dying at the direction of their “betters”. The British “upper” class is disgusting.
Anti-jihad says
I believe that’s true, but totally pathetic. If the “upper class” thinks Sharia law will treat them better than the “lower class”, they are sadly mistaken. Sharia doesn’t see classes. Sharia only sees infidels…to be killed wherever a Muslim finds them.
Westman says
It’s the legacy of “Empire”. When a nation reaches the status of Empire, by military or economic means, it becomes generally wealthy and begins to concentrate on aquisitions instead of survival. Then the birth rates drop because the new generations become more of an economic burden on the parents new lifestyle, lifespan increases, mechanized/automated labor replaces human labor, and social safety nets replace children as the guarantee of old age safety.
When this eventually results in skilled labor shortages and unskilled unemployment, the industries import skilled labor and unskilled labor. Why unskilled labor when there is already a glut of unskilled workers? Profit margins.
Corporations are charged with, under law, “Maximizing Return To Shareholders”, without any moral requirements outside of existing law. Since they own the politicians, laws are made to benefit corporations.
This whole immigration mess is driven by corporate and wealthy class greed. If you live in the US and have a 401(k) then you are inescapably in bed with greed – as I am, myself. What we see happening in the EU will happen in the US without a change in corporate priorities embedded into law.
My only hope is that what happens in the UK and EU will convince the US/mulinational corporations and their puppet government leaders that their mutual survival depends on investing in the citizens instead of drowning them in a tsunami of Muslim immigrants.
gravenimage says
Westman, this doesn’t explain why European nations that have never had empires are acting in a similar suicidal manner.
mortimer says
BRITISH POLITICIANS ARE TRYING TO REVERSE THE ENLIGHTENMENT!
STAY CALM AND DEFEND THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Bob says
Our UK politicos’re frankly terrified of upsetting the Ms – it could lead to vicious riots in the streets. Easier they think, to give in the sharia!
John Forbes says
What about the HATRED being taught & preached in Mosques & Madrassas & shouted in the Streets & in Marches???
This is ridiculous & shows a very clear SHARIA COMPLIANT government with only 5% of the population as MUSLIMS ???
IDIOTIC APPEASEMENT & CAPITULATION !!
Shane says
Sweden will be the first European country to fall to Islamic Jihad, but the U.K. will fall too. The only thing that may save them is if the people get so angry at the Fascist EU and their Fascist national governments that they revolt. The National Police who investigate hate speech are Fascists who should be met with armed resistance. Stop taking this crap from your dhimmi governments and fight for the right to free speech, and fight for your country and heritage.
jule says
I don’t think you get it. WE DO NOT WANT TERRORIST VIDEOS or Websites and we do not Want NAZIwebs or KKKlansmen in a Free country. Britain doesn’t either. When even Germany Warns us about allowing Nazigroups to march, grow, recruit, brainwash children, you should realize there is real trouble. They are all terrorists same as Islam with cells worldwide. Their speech is not free. Their speech does not even stop at the door of another person but runs them over. Lots of speech is not permitted. Perjury, copywrite laws, Slander, libel, child pornography,verbal assault is called domestic violence. Terrorists have no rights but a Lawyer and trial. She is talking about the hate spread by terrorists..Islamic, Nazitype, White Supremacists …people who spread terror to others often with crimes following their speech by others done in the dark of night. Don’t you GET IT?
john vieira says
Are ‘quotes’ from the Koran to be prosecuted??? The cognitive abilities of the ‘western’ world are being diminished at an ever increasing rate…the mainstream media and many insipid politicians bolstered by ‘payola’ in the form of Petro$ have sold us out without blinking an eye…do hope that they get their just deserts for ‘fraternizing’ with ‘Satan’s’ brigades…
Frank Anderson says
John and Jaladhi, I suggest that expecting collaborators to prosecute the violent passages from their own texts as hate speech is as unreal as asking Nazis to prosecute quotes from Mein Kampf. There is no reason or fairness in tyranny. There is only “what they want”. They have their goals and agenda to accomplish those goals. Preaching their message and all associated lies, deceptions and cover-ups works toward those goals. Preaching against those goals, exposing the truth to any who are floating around undecided challenges the goals of the conquerors. The believers believe. The people who resist, do not believe. It is only the undecided, and uninformed at play for a decision many do not wish to make. I have seen multitudes of human ostriches (yes, I know they do not really bury their heads in the sand; but it seems humans can come awfully close when they close their minds).Why would evil ever fight itself by being impartial in its enforcement of its rules? A rule of fairness is rarely part of the real world.
I suggest that accepting the fact that any who oppose the evil being forced on us by the primary believers and the collaborators who wish to please, serve and eventually become accepted in the believers’ circle is essential to getting out of the “dog chasing his tail” distraction. “The first step to solving any problem is to acknowledge that a problem exists.” These are not fools or hypocrites. These and all who support, shield or tolerate them are evil who wish to do evil to all who resist.
A movie illustration of the collaborators’ behavior can be seen in Wesley Snipes’ Blade series, where vampires are served by a class of “familia” who hope to become vampires and live forever among them. That may be some good symbolism to what islam is doing now.
dan says
Under the new rules:
1. You are NOT allowed to offer ANY criticism of Islam
— even though a former Islamic writer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, tells us in no uncertain terms, that Islam is NOT a religion by any stretch of the imagination, but is a man-made cruel, insane ANTI-DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL IDEOLOGY designed for the sole control by males in every area of life.
— even though she warns the West that “Tolerance of intolerance is in fact COWARDICE”
2. You are NOT allowed to criticize homosexuality — even though they offer illogical, emotive arguments for their ‘condition.’ They demand we tolerate their lack of restraint, their selfish hedonistic narcissistic lifestyles (regardless if that impacts negatively on others” basic human rights); eg, their ‘right’ to NOT know that their lifestyles are causing a blowout in sexually-transmitted-diseasess and HIV and along with the steep rise in abortions are thus causing the (taxpayer-funded) medical bill massive blow-out to be unsustainable to the point of collapse.
In the USA a Dr Church, an eminent Urologist, was dismissed from his position just because he dared to explain to a patient that his STD problems were a result of his ‘gay’-lifestyle. In Australia a person with STD or HIV is NO LONGER compelled to notify any former partners of the possibility that they may have contracted an STD or HIV from their liaison (from the POLITICAL-CORRECTNESS-POLICE)
ALL LOGICAL DISCERNMENT and truthful examination of facts HAS BEEN FORBIDDEN!!!
FREE SPEECH IS NOW FORBIDDEN!!!
ABSOLUTE MADNESS!!!
Yes, the end result of so many unfortunate children living in fatherless/leaderless households with no “father-role-model” (mothers cannot be both father and mother) — and can only then result in “a socialist welfare state where personal responsibility, morals and duty to family and community” will mean the wilful self-destruction of our once properly-functioning civilization and we are being forcibly shipped BACK TO THE STONE AGE ..
Daniel Triplett says
British men can be ruthless and undefeatable when summoned. The British Empire wasn’t built with sugar and honey.
It’s time to summon that ruthless spirit.
Live free or die.
Alan Jennison says
Holy God. I really do not want it to come to that.
What scares me, is that it will……the way the “State” is pretending the problem doesn’t exist is unbelievable.
I suspect, though I do not condone it, if the State abrogates its primary responsibility to protect its citizens, as it clearly is…..then the citizens will take it into their own hands.
All this “hate crime” legislation is, of course, merely a government attempt to keep the lid on the pressure cooker they have created. It may buy them so time….but the lid will come off, explosively, sooner or later.
Islam is incompatible with freedom and democracy. It doesn’t even deny it. Only taqiyya Muslims deny it. Not the Mosques…not the self appointed “Faith Leaders” who’s arses the British Police lick at every opportunity.
We are fucked …..our freedom to tell the truth is already gone in the UK…one must not insult Islam…..WHY? One can insult Communism, Christianity, Judaism, Fascism, Conservatism, Liberal Democratism, Hinduism, Sikhism……but say a word against the “self styled” Religion of Peace, whose Holy Book is a Litany of calls to kill people who are not Muslims…….and you are in trouble with the law.
Daniel Triplett says
It already has come to that Alan.
As your PM Churchill said:
“ Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves. ”
I can’t out-articulate Churchill.
It’s time to fight. The odds will only get more desperate from here.
Americans will join the fight with you, but we cannot fight for you.
Daniel Triplett says
Then articulate your plan.
Muslims won’t be apostatizing or leaving without a fight.
European conquerors were never going to surrender to Native Americans without a fight either.
Look at if from a macro-view. The World belongs to conquerors, not the conquered. Always has, always will. Right now, Native Europeans are losing badly to Muslim conquerors.
Daniel Triplett says
I’d be remiss now if I didn’t give respect to your wise and ruthless war fighter Sir Arthur Harris, Commander of RAF Bomber Command during WWII:
“ The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naïve theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
The aim of the Combined Bomber Offensive…should be unambiguously stated [as] the destruction of German cities, the killing of German workers, and the disruption of civilised life throughout Germany.
… the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories. ”
We wouldn’t have won the war without war fighters like Sir Arthur Harris and Gen Curtis LeMay.
We’re in the 11th hour of a 1400 year zero-sum conflict with only one winner. Their rules, not ours.
It’s time to get to get busy. Our grandfathers already demonstrated how this works.
gravenimage says
Kudos to your father, RegT. My mother and aunt also served in the British Army, as a teletype operator and driving supply trucks between London and the mouth of the Thames, respectively.
Daniel Triplett says
God bless the 8th Air Force. Less than half made it home alive; highest casualty rate of any US Military unit of WWII. So much courage and sacrifice. We owe them much gratitude.
You’d like “12 O’Clock High,” with Gregory Peck. It’s all about the 8th Air Force. USAF Officer Training School has all Officer Trainees watch it in class. Everyone is tested extensively on it for its different models of leadership in war.
Frank Anderson says
Daniel, you might check out the casualty rate for submarine crews both US and German in WWII. As I recall, and always subject to correction, it was somewhere in the order of 80 percent. Not to diminish the courage and sacrifice of any who served in any branch. Thank God most of them are gone now. They would be so ashamed and disappointed with what is being done.
Daniel Triplett says
Frank, I agree that our WWII veterans across the board showed inspirational courage and paid a very heavy price in their sacrifice. They all have my deep respect and gratitude.
I just checked about 15 different websites for stats, but it’s hard to pin down precise numbers. There’s a bit of disagreement, but here is my best estimate on the numbers:
80% of Nazi submariners were KIA. They lost a staggering 994 submarines.
20% of US submariners were KIA. We lost 52 submarines.
71% of heavy bomber aircrews were KIA. The casualty rate was so staggering, aircrews had a 30 mission combat limit. Most aircrews were killed before completing 30 missions.
The 8th Air Force alone accounts for half of all USAAF combat losses during the war.
May God bless them all.
Frank Anderson says
Please be certain that I am not even hinting at disrespect or lack of honor for all who served. US submarine crews in the Pacific, according to my memory, and subject to correction, had high losses. Are we and those we have produced up to the task now? There were few safe or simple posts then and even fewer now. God Bless and Help us all.
Daniel Triplett says
I’m an ex-USAF pilot myself, with over 300 combat sorties. I’m not sure which would be worse: Falling out of the sky on fire with the wing shot off, or drowning in an imploding submarine, underwater in the middle of a deep ocean. I know I’ve had nightmares about it. I’m sure submariners have nightmares too.
Nearly all of our submarine losses were in the Pacific, as you say. The Japanese were formidable with both offensive and defensive submarine warfare. But our submariners fought gallantly, and sank a whole lot of Japanese military and cargo shipping.
I’ve met thousands of our war fighters while serving in the last 20 years. Regarding whether or not they’re up to the fight, the answer is yes. Frankly, 10% are pussies, and manipulate the system so they’re always in the rear, always avoiding contact. But the other 90% raised their right hand voluntarily because they want to fight for God & Country. They charge into the fire with the same courage and conviction as any other veteran whose fought before. They will put mission and Country before everything else, and sacrifice it all for Freedom.
The problem though, is we simply don’t have the conventional military, money, time, and especially the National Will to invade, conquer, and indefinitely occupy 57 Muslim states. We’ve spent 16 years, sacrificed 7000 Patriots, and spent over $6.5 Trillion trying to control just 2 of those 57 states, which are worse now than the day we first set foot there. Our military is vastly outnumbered by 1.7 Billion Muslims who all subscribe to an ideology that demands our extinction.
I’ve spent many years in the Afghanistan and Iraq Theaters. I support our objective of pushing back on Islamic Manifest Destiny, and I of course support our war fighters, but we must change our strategy and the weapons we use. Right now, we’re just throwing thimbles of water on a wildfire. We must look at the big picture, recognize this is a Worldwide war, and use more efficient weapons to defeat our enemy — Islam.
If we don’t criminalize the practice or promotion of Islam domestically, and use nuclear weapons against Dar al-Islam forcing them to do the same, we will lose this war. Our enemy knows this too, which is why they’re doing everything they can to build, buy, or steal their own nuke arsenals. They intend to do the same thing to us we should be doing to them right now. We can either strike first, or wait for Muslims to glass Tel Aviv, Manhattan, or DC. Either way, we have a nuclear war on our hands. The sooner we all face it, the sooner this will all be over. The problem isn’t ISIS. The problem isn’t Iran. The problem is Islam. We don’t have to kill all the Muslims. We just have to kill enough of them to force their surrender to our Will, which must be Worldwide forced apostasy and criminalization of Islam. This is the only long-term solution. 20 to 30 Dar al-Islam targets, at most, is all that’s necessary for this objective. The solution is rather simple and inexpensive. All we need is the Will.
As with any other war in our history, it all comes down to Will to Fight. The first side losing the Will to Fight loses the war. Our military will never lose the Will to Fight. They will fight to the death. The American People determine whether or not we win wars. The American People elect the Congress, who controls the purse. If Congress doesn’t fund the war, we lose.
The American People have a 4 1/2 year limit of patience for wars. This means if we want to win, we must do so quickly within 4 1/2 yeas.
Persuading the People to fecklessly fight an endless war with Muslims will be difficult. Persuading them to eliminate a mortal threat within 4 to 6 months would be easier. Very few people see the threat right now. That’s the problem. For the People to support victory against Islam, they must first see the threat.
Those of us who see the threat have a responsibility to speak. To see and not speak is the great betrayal.
Shane says
The sad fact is that young European men are just not man enough to fight for their country and for Western Civilization. In America, we will fight a dhimmi government and a fascist National Police force.
Mike9a says
WHO IS THAT ONE that will say what is hate what is not, where it starts, where it ends? This system has been communisms way for long time. Brain washing, fear, oppression, totalitarianism etc..let give it different name “hate crime”
These days “leaders” are really low IQ earth creatures.
b.a. freeman says
actually, they’re *not* low-IQ creatures; they’re leftists, and they’re using pious muslims as their proxy troops. it is an ingenious, if evil, plan; people fear and hate muslims, not leftists, leaving the latter unobserved and free to work towards the destruction of the republic. when the bloodshed in the streets becomes so rampant that the ordinary tasks of civilization can not be carried out, the lid will blow off, but it will be because the electorate demands that the State “do something.” and of course, that “something” will be martial law.
think about that. how many non-leftist governments have there been in any eurabian country in the past 50 years? since every government has been leftist for decades, regardless of the name of the party, *LEFTISTS* will control the State using martial law. how long do U think that state of martial law will last?
it is a dangerous game that the left is playing, but they are winning. in the end, even if the current leaders of the State are not hard-core leftists, they don’t even need to be convinced to impose a leftist “dictatorship of the proletariat;” the left just needs to assassinate the leader or leaders, replace him with a hard-core leftist, and the coup is complete. by the time martial law is declared, anger against muslims will have turned to white-hot rage, and the left is counting on that kind of rage to surround the muslim banlieues and murder every man, woman, and child found there. i already have that kind of rage, but mass murder is not the solution – unless U’re a leftist. by mass-murdering every muslim they can find, they will remove the problem that they created. were it to happen *right* *now*, cooler heads would prevail, and there would be no mass murder; therefore, the left must protect its proxies so that they can do more damage. the plan only works if society begins to collapse, and if most citizens *loathe* muslims.
50 years ago, had somebody proposed such a law, he would have lost his seat immediately in a recall election were he an elected official, and were he a police commissioner, he would have been fired within hours. back then, there was still some understanding of the operation of a republic, especially in canada and the u.s.; even back then, however, the leftish disease was advancing in eurabia. the left has controlled education for generations now, and most people seem to think that violence against one’s opponents is appropriate. by controlling education and lying to students, teaching only cursory versions of history, and not teaching critical thinking, the left has corrupted and mis-directed the thinking of half of our citizens. it is to the point that u.s. citizens are talking like soviet commissars, and have similar beliefs. in fact, via corruption of the education of our children and young adults, the left has been almost as successful as they have been with their proxy troops, the pious muslims.
“hate speech” laws and “hate crimes” set up a parallel legal system that is defined by leftists, not free people, who see no need for these parallel laws, and most people don’t seem to understand that free speech means that people can say anything they want to say. if somebody says that we should all meet in the park to kill everybody of one race, and tries to arrange it online, that crime is already covered by incitement to riot laws, conspiracy to murder laws, and the like. if the crimes happen, the person who arranged it must be arrested and tried. there is no need to prohibit free speech to prevent crimes; that is a tactic of the left.
the bottom line is that the left has “UNeducated” us for so many years that we’re no longer speaking the same language. in order to draw attention to the present danger, we first have to educate our opponents, who are not really evil, and not even uninformed, but rather holding lies and misinformation as truth. the left is under no such compunctiions; they have trained us to be minions who riot and shout in kneejerk fashion when the correct triggers appear, shutting down all discussion. if people won’t listen because they have been trained to be leftist trained seals, we cannot convince them by dutifully hitting all the triggers and shouting back. we need a different approach.
in order to argue with a liberal (as opposed to a leftist, although that gap is fast closing), it helps to agree that there are victims because of the clashes over islam. they happen to think that muslims are the victims, but they are wrong; nevertheless, there is no need to rub that in their faces. instead, approach the point indirectly by saying that U are a conservative who is always willing to learn (which should be true, anyway), acknowledge that U disagree about a lot on the issue, and regardless of whether he or U is correct, both of U should agree to help victims. i can’t script the discussion, nor should i even try; just remember that politeness goes a long way. the end game is to get him to look at translations of islamic scriptures (the quran, the 6 sahih hadith collections (most importantly, sahih al bukhari and sahih muslim), and the “sirat rasul allah,” the biography of muhammed by ibn ishaq (or rather, the extensive extracts of ibn hisham and al tabari from ibn ishaq’s lost work)). in addition, since islam rules *all* of life, not just that in the mosque, he should also be convinced to look at “the reliance of the traveler,” which i think is “umdat al-salik” in arabic, and is one of, if not the, premier manual of shariah law. if nothing else, point out that if islam is peaceful, then a great wrong needs to be righted, and if it is not, a great wrong needs to be righted. emphasize repeatedly that he should *not* take your word for it, and that he needs to look for himself so that he can argue from a vantage point of knowledge (rather than ignorant parroting of second-hand arguments – but don’t say that to him!). most people, liberal or conservative, may agree that they should look, but will not; some may, however, be reached, and that is what we desperately need.
as i said, the left is winning. i think that they underestimate their proxies, however, because they have infested the national government with pious muslims as well as nazis (leftists). they may be able to wipe out several, or even most, muslim banlieues, but there are enough highly-placed pious muslim traitors that it is very likely that they will be able to incite a civil war. under the cover of news blackouts and internet shutdowns, the left will try to kill all muslims, but pious muslims have been trained since *birth*, not just since university, to plot the murder of their opponents. most people in eurabia and amerabia are nominal leftists at best (also called liberal), and are *not* working to destroy the constitution and the republic. the civil war will be between a few hundred thousand pious muslims (and maybe more who will turn pious, once the left attacks them) and a tiny (a few hundred or a few thousand at most) hard-core leftists. both will be tiny factions in a sea of angry, hurting freedom-lovers (even if they are deceived), almost all of whom will be in the dark; given their far greater numbers and dedication (“we love death more than U love life”), my money is on the muslims.
but they’ll have to pry my cold, dead hands off my weapons – some of which will have been converted to full auto; i’m hoping to send more than one pious muslim to the whorehouse in the sky.
mummymovie says
Yet another chapter in the Grand Betrayal.
God help us.
Emilie Green says
Always fear the “but,”
“will uphold the right to free speech even where it causes offence – but . . .”
John S. Obeda says
I believe that as soon as anyone adds the “but” it no longer can be free speech.
Charles says
Who would have thought that Orwell got it so wrong. I’t’s not “Big Brother is watching you” instead its “Big Sister Theresa is watching you”.
David M says
She’s starting to look like the wicked witch of the west in that picture too.
Raja says
David M, Jihad Watch invariably comes out with very relevant pictures. I can still remember when Hillary Clinton looked like a vamp.
faraway says
cruella.jpg
What about this one?
shosh7154 says
Percent Killed. Poland. 3,300,000
gravenimage says
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No Fear says
The Ministry of Hurt Feelings: A special task force to prevent butthurt.
Papa Whiskey says
What is illegal offline is illegal online, and those who commit these cowardly crimes should be met with the full force of the law.
Translation: “Only HM Government may determine who is committing ‘hate’ and may accordingly be persecuted. Keep your place, you civilian worms.”
gravenimage says
UK: New national police hub to crack down on “hate crime online”
………………
British police don’t have enough staff to monitor all the Jihadists in the country–but they appear to have enough people to troll the internet crushing freedom of speech. Madness.
Somehow I very much doubt that this “hate speech” will include calls from Muslims to slaughter native Britons…
commies says
How long before attending a Christian church, Jewish synagogue, Hindu temple will be a crime in itself … to be vigorously prosecuted by a plethora of liberals all with their own conflicting agendas? Obviously I will not visit commie England any more than I would have taken a vacation in communist Russia.
Carolyne says
I wonder how difficult it would be too turn the bell rower at Canterbury Cathedral into a minaret. Plans are likely already drawn up.
gravenimage says
Muslims have certainly done this many times before.
Lydia says
We are Christians, and we will continue to be Christians, to do what we do, to say what we say, and that goes with us wherever we go because we live out our faith everywhere! That is what a Christian is and does.
In the dark days ahead, the saying will reveal all:
“Will the true Christians please stand up?!”
Because we will be the only ones left standing for our faith when all the rest have dodged under the beds. It is about taking a stand for Jesus. It is not about survival and holding on to the most toys. On judgment day this will be painfully obvious, or gloriously obvious, depending on your actions beforehand.
I wonder about leftists says
Brave May, you should have put your police long ago on the muslims, who hate us with a passion and wrote nothing else than hatemail, or don’t you read that all? Talking about hate mail and screaming and yelling, and poisoning people, and the muslims are going to kill us and the jews, and they were going to conquer us, and rape us, behead us, and soon or burn us, flog us, etc.
What do you call that then ? Is that not hatemail, and you took away our freedom of speech and we can not be critical? because then you would put us in jail? Are you out of your mind?
Muslims have not been able to put fear and terror in all of us, in you, yes. And they feed on your fear more and more , it gives them energy and you let them. Islam is dark, and has an absence flight, not even a small light, but you don’t even have a candle of light Go for the dark and you will see what will happen and you will be so sorry one day, but then it is too late, because there is no one anymore to help you. You are the worst in the UK, then Germany and then France, Canada etc, but we never convert, nor pat extra taxes, nor let our free speeches taken away, never ever!
Hugo Hackenbush says
I think this clip is appropriate (particularly in light of Muhammad’s opinion regarding the canine set): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5wt_KVdjus
The resemblance to May is remarkable! Even the color!
Georg says
This is all part of a series of censorship waves, such as the one we witnessed with Jihad Watch being excluded from PayPal, where the civilizational goal posts are moved every so often in concert across mediums (whether speech, behavior, funding, etc.) as a coordinated effort among liberals. It comes in waves so as to desensitize or acclimate civilization (dampening resistance) to each new iteration of less free society before the proceeding waves of curtailments. This is partly why Eastern Europe is fast becoming such a rash for the neoliberal West as its mooring to classically liberal European civilization will serve to accentuate the high water mark of rising cultural Marxism.
Any dollars and man hours used limiting resistance to jihad is thus not used in defeating the 30,000 extremists roaming Britain.
gravenimage says
All grimly true, Georg.
religionofpeace says
Upholding the rights of freedom of speech, but using government resources to crack down those who tell the truth.
It seems that Britain need a revolution to remove these politicians from throne.
b.a. freeman says
it may come to that. just remember, though, that most people just want to go to work, earn a living, and live their lives undisturbed by the State. when the State encroaches on their freedoms all at once, people become enraged and rebel, but when it encroaches in small steps, people complain, in ever so slightly more-secluded groups, but do nothing. when U can lose your house, which U struggled to pay off for decades of your life, or your job, which will cause U to be unable to pay your bills, U toe the line, because nobody else is going to help U pay those bills. U will lose everything, or perhaps even flee the country (if U can raise the funds), all with no help from anybody but (perhaps) family and friends.
i have no idea how to stop the infection of eurabian governments by leftists and pious muslims (both groups victims of deadly brain diseases). i believe that civil war will come, but it will start with a war between muslims and leftists. the leftists may be dedicated and hard-core in their beliefs, but no leftist is as dedicated as a pious muslim, who *wants* to die for allah; furthermore, there are a lot more pious muslims in eurabia than there are hard-core leftists. the way i see things going, the only hope eurabians have is that somebody in their military rebels against vile orders from a hard-core leftist (such as orders to kill every man, woman, and child in a surrounded banlieue) and ends up fighting both leftists and pious muslims; with God’s help, he might even win.
i’m not planning on a happy outcome, though.
Pray for UK says
Pray for UK that she produces good leaders not these kind of unscrupulous elements.
Wellington says
Well, one thing is for certain and that is that if Britain is to be saved from Islamicization and the eradication of freedom it will not be Theresa May who will lead in this fight for the very soul of Britain. Indeed, she is a major obstacle in such a fight and by now one knows this or should know it. She needs to be retired and sent into oblivion for the rest of her useless life.
And you, Britain, must dig deep down into your collective soul and extract from it another Alfred or Oliver or Elizabeth or Winston. Soon like because time is running out.
Green infidel says
The only hope might be Jacob Rees-Mogg!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I agree with Robert Spencer, Britain is finished.
It’s citizens just have to get used to terrorist attacks, especially in the big city, but hate speech is intolerable and must rooted out.
mortimer says
– FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS THE RIGHT TO OFFEND—TO BE CONTROVERSIAL – THE FREEDOM TO CRITICIZE ISLAM IS AN INALIENABLE RIGHT.
– “If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” – George Washington
– “I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison
– “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.”
― United Nations, Universal Declaration of Human Rights
– “Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burnt women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.” – Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357, 376 (1927). – Louis Brandeis
– “Defend the right to be offended”, ― Salman Rushdie, openDemocracy, 7 February 2005
– “The moment you say that any idea system is sacred, whether it’s a religious belief system or a secular ideology, the moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible.”
SALMAN RUSHDIE, “Do We Have to Fight the Battle for the Enlightenment all Over Again?”
– “This is slavery, not to speak one’s thought.” ― Euripides
– ISLAM IS A EUPHEMISM THAT MEANS ‘SLAVERY’. – Mortimer
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, we agree on this comment. I suggest for the less well-informed, this could be a good time to read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer. If one does not have time to read the entire book, start with Hitler becoming Chancellor January 30, 1933, and continue to the start of the Polish invasion, September 1, 1939, about 250 pages. It’s just like reading today’s news to me. This “hate speech” mantra that the totalitarians (liberals, progressives, muslims, collaborators) are beating to death is nothing more than the truth which they want to suppress, just as Hitler and Goebbels suppressed all opposing speech in Germany. “Those who cannot remember. . .”
Just wondering when one of these fools will come to the US and try to extradite JW commenters for hate speech? When they come here, I am pretty sure they will submit individually to US law and state bar rules where the excitement will really start. And in some US states their pensions are not exempt from tort claims. Anyone who does not know the idea of “pucker factor”?
Steve's nephew says
I don’t hate all Muslims. But I disagree with them and I am opposed to them.
I work with a few Muslims occasionally. I read jihadwatch and other such sites so that I can be better prepared to offer rebuttals to their nonsense when the chance arises.
mortimer says
MESSAGES TO THE USEFUL IDIOTS AT National Police Chiefs’ Council :
1) IT’S CALLED ‘DEBATE’. IT’S A HUMAN RIGHT.
2) IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!
daveW says
This police group should be disbanded as its been brought about by left wing fools and pressure from muslim groups who have their own agenda.Look around the net ,the mosques the pressure groups within our society and our education dept by muslims groups trying to introduce the koran ,muslim dress ,segregation of boys and girls and sharia law. It’s all there but the PC fools are blind to it all. This police group should first assess where the hate crime is coming from, look to the web ,people being beheaded , rallies burning the UK flag , groups calling our armed forces rapists and child killers,the banned Hezbollah attending muslim rallies in London; remember all that is evidence of hate crime? UK christian children raped and abused by muslim gangs thanks to the PC fools in local government who allowed it to happen for over twenty years. So the police should study why they’ve been created and manipulated to create a definition of “hate crime” as it’s fundamentally flawed from the outset by groups who want to close down criticism of what they’re up to .This trick is being played out across Europe by highly manipulative muslim groups, this is just another route to control free speech and free expression.
Japetto Donatelli says
You make a good point, the left only needs to look around them to see the islamic hate.
Their religious doctrines are rife with hatred of the murderous kind, and their inhospitable enclaves are a product of that hate. The mass rape of our kids and women is the product of their contempt and hate for our humanity. Their sharia councils is a manifestation of their contempt and hatred for our laws. The terrorism they do is a hatred for our right to live peaceably in our own nations. Their protests with signs that declare “islam will rule” and “sharia will dominate” is an expression of their hatred for our free societies. Much of what imams teach is laced with implied or explicit hatred and threats against the Jews, kafirs, and infidels, and western society in general. Their lawsuits against us, like our employers, is their hatred for religious equality–it’s all about them or else! In short, we are surrounded by their hatred and contempt for our freedom, our lives, our security, our laws, and our culture. What could be more hateful than what muslims bring? why, us talking about it, of course! That’s the mentality we’re dealing with, and that’s why Europe is headed for civil war with islam.
TKF says
So, just growing a thicker skin isn’t an option? You’re right, Britain is done…stick a fork in her.
TKF says
So, just growing a thicker skin isn’t an option? You’re right, Britain is done…stick a fork in her. Oh, and Islam sucks!
David Pimentel says
No need for the “fork.” The knife was inserted years ago, and she’s been bleeding-out ever since.
Mysterex says
“…but this does not extend to inciting hatred or threatening people.”
So if I was to write, “I think the world would be better off without Theresa May.”, is that inciting hatred, or just expressing an opinion?
Or how about, “Theresa May deserves a good, swift, kick up the arse.”? Is that a threat, or just a commonly used expression to express one’s displeasure with a person.
Maybe I could just say that I hope she gets what she deserves, along with those who are aiding and abetting her.
Nothing to see here, officer.
FYI says
ooooh Teresa May,the Britanistani P.M is going to get tough now is she?
Will she be cracking down on those who protest against the islamification process?
Of course.
Will she be expelling imans for their hate speech?
Of course not:that would be “racist” and highly “islamophobic”.
Teresa May was recently offered a P45 form by a comedian at a conference in the hope that she might get the message.
Unfortunately she just didn’t get it.
Teresa May has the charisma of a cardboard box,the political skill of a clown and the sort of blind Dhimmitude that is precisely what the islamists need.
mummymovie says
And the funeral dirge eerily drones out as the Grand Betrayal marches on…
mummymovie says
STOP THE HIJRA!
END REFUJIHAD!
Japetto Donatelli says
…but this does not extend to inciting hatred or threatening people.”
If these sham politicians really cared about hate speech and threats they’d pass laws against islam’s violent teachings and sharia. I don’t have a lot of confidence in the British authorities to be equitable in their pursuit of “hate speech.” To them and muslims any honest appraisal of the violence and bigotry in islam is deemed hate speech. It is precisely because islam is so hateful and threatening that people like me object to it in the first place, why don’t they pass laws against their hate?
Our leaders don’t protect islam because they truly think it’s a religion. No, it’s because muslims get violent when their bigoted ignorance is exposed to scrutiny. So our weak leaders buckle under the pressure in the name of religious freedom, even though it’s far more fascist politics than religion. The pretense here is we’re all supposed to learn to live together, that’s the multicultural dream of the deluded left. But muslims have never been for multiculturalism, their bigoted cult of hate doesn’t allow it. They can criminalize our speech but not our thoughts and feelings–decent people will always reject the violent debauchery of islam. It’s a travesty the direction these fools are taking us. While brave humanitarians risk their lives in islamic countries to advance human rights our leaders are embracing the tyranny those activists are trying to overcome! So these leaders aren’t truly fighting hate with these measures, they only encourage hate and violence by aiding the ideology that causes it. The consequence of their complicity will be more islamic crime and terror, more social disharmony, until finally democracy is lost and we’re faced with civil war. So these politicians are not truly working to reduce “hate” and improve our lives. They are increasing hate by denying basic human liberties for islam’s oppressive sharia and conquering jihad agenda. They are guilty of bad morals and sedition, these traitorous politicians, and it’s time we replace them with people who truly care about freedom.
john vieira says
Very well put…thank you !!!
Isabellathecrusader says
1984
Capitalist-Dad says
Typical of a Statist bureaucracy. Rape gangs? Knifings? Vehicular assaults and killings? All in the name of you know who (best not come right out and say it because Muslims are rather excitable). Better to police the wrong think of anyone who notices and dares to speak out. Pathetic!