By these totalitarian criteria, the British police will mop up the last remnants of resistance to jihad terror and Sharia supremacism.
“‘Dislike’ and ‘Unfriendliness’ Can Be Hate Crimes, UK Police Confirm,” by Liam Deacon, Breitbart, October 25, 2017:
Official guidelines insist a hate crime must be driven by “hostility”, but when contacted, many UK forces are unable to give a definition of what they mean by “hostility” in the context of hate crimes.
Breitbart London contacted dozens of forces to ask for their working definition of “hostility” and was referred on to the “dictionary definition” which includes “unfriendliness” and “dislike”.
Others referred Breitbart London to national bodies, including the College of Policing (CoP) and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), which both admit there is an “absence of a precise legal definition of hostility”, with the latter also referring individual forces onto “dictionary definitions” for the purpose of investigating hate crimes.
Dictionary definitions include a wide range of normal human behaviours and emotions, and images on social media suggest police officers are being told to look out for “unfriendliness” as a sign of a hate crime.
The CPS also mentions “ill-will, ill-feeling, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment, and dislike” as examples of hostility that could be taken from a dictionary.
Many of these emotions are subjective, raising concerns police could target people inconsistently and unfairly, or due to misunderstandings and miscommunications. Others have pointed out “dislike” of immoral things is often honourable.
“Leicestershire Police refers to the College of Policing’s hate crime operational guidance. We refer to a standard English dictionary,” one force told Breitbart London.
Cheshire Police and Dorset Police forces told Breitbart London they follow “national guidance”, including the CPS, with the latter force insisting they “ensure officers and staff understand and are able to identify hate crime”.
Cheshire Police has previously warned users of social media not to post “offensive” comments or you “could face a large fine or up to two years in prison” and the Glasgow force has demanded people be “kind” online.
North Yorkshire Police simply sent Breitbart London the Citizen’s Advice and Home Office definition of a hate crime, as “any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice”.
The hostility can be directed at “disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity” but is not limited to these protected categories.
Essex Police directed Breitbart London to a section of a CoP manual, which explains that hostility for the purposes of recording a hate incident is anything that is “perceived” by the victim as hostility. It reads:
“For recording purposes, the perception of the victim of any other person is the defining factor in determining whether an incident is a hate crime, or in recognising the hostility element of a hate crime.
“The victim does not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief, and police officers and staff should not directly challenge this perception. Evidence of the hostility is not required for an incident to be recorded as a hate crime or hate incident.”
In August, the CPS announced it would prosecute “hate crimes” committed online as vigorously as those that take place face-to-face, and in January they issued new guideline stressing that:
“In order to treat a crime as a hate crime for the purposes of investigation, there is no need for evidence to prove the aggravating element.”
Hate crimes are given harsher sentences than other crimes, and therefore it is possible that claims of “unfriendliness” with no supporting evidence could land someone in jail for a substantial amount of time….
Januk36 says
Why am I not surprised.
Januk36 says
… that JW is banning some users…..
gravenimage says
Jihad Watch *rarely* bans posters, and then often for posing violent comments.
John says
Brainwashed Brits elected Pro-islam Left/Liberal “leaders” what do they expect ? AND its patriots who raise/expose the jihadi crimes are hounded out.
old white guy says
the people have turned from God and are reaping the punishment that has been prepared for them. Their minds have become addled and they no longer see the evil that is before them, ISLAM, God’s punishment.
jewdog says
Notice that it’s non-Muslims who are targeted by these vague prohibitions. If Muslims were held accountable then the courts would be overloaded.
Mark says
I was going to say the same thing. It’s obviously fine for Muslims to day that non-believers are vile, or like last month to say that it was the child victims of Muslim rape gangs who are at fault. Sing the proper pig sing to your child on the other hand and it is a hate crime.
mortimer says
Muslims have a compulsory OBLIGATION to HATE and BE HOSTILE TOWARDS the dirty KAFIRS ‘for the sake of Allah’.
Doctrine of AL WALAA WAL BARAA = to hate, avoid, shun, be distant from, refrain from helping, refrain from praising, despise, disrespect, never support, never encourage, not befriend, desert, etc.
TheBuffster says
Yes but, Mortimer, that’s *their* culture. Our culture is to be kind and good to people of other religions and if we take on ways akin to al walaa wal baraa, that would be CULTURAL APPROPRIATION.
That’s why they can do it and we can’t.
However, *I’m* perfectly fine if Muslims decide to wave awwb and culturally appropriate a nice Christianlike “God loves everyone” and a Western live and let live policy.
Jim says
“Notice that it’s non-Muslims who are targeted…”
Check.
David says
Let’s see if the ‘new ‘ laws apply to muslim ‘infidel’ hate crime.
Westman says
Irrational laws are a sign of underlying fear and paranoia in the minds of lawmakers. These UK and EU “hate” speech laws are actually don’t-disturb-the-wasp-nest laws by elites who fear their status and wealth would be at risk. The police enforce these bad laws because they know that containing any local Muslim uprising is completely beyond their capability.
These laws show the elites and Police, indirectly, have new masters who will make escalating demands; just give it time.
Emilie Green says
[Given the insanity with the courts the following can no longer be considered sound law.]
In American jurisprudence such laws/policies would be stuck unconstitutional under the due process clauses of either the 5th Am. (for federal behavior) or the 14th Am. (for state behavior) on the basis that these laws are void for vagueness.
The void-for-vagueness doctrine supports accepted American social policies. {ASIDE: Bear in mind that in the American tradition federal and state constitutions are designed so that the people control their governments. That governments are increasingly and deliberately misreading constitutions (as in “war is peace” or “we’re going to strip search you before traveling for your own protection”) in order to assert more and more power over the people is a clear perversion of the original design.}
First, the void-for-vagueness doctrine encourages the government to clearly distinguish conduct that is lawful from that which is unlawful. Under the due process clauses, individuals must be given adequate notice of their legal obligations so they can govern their behavior accordingly. When individuals are left uncertain by the wording of an imprecise statute, criminal law can become a standard-less trap for the unwary.
Second, the void-for-vagueness doctrine discourages judges from attempting to apply sloppily worded laws. Like anyone else, judges often labor without success when interpreting poorly worded legislation.
Finally, the void-for-vagueness doctrine seeks to avoid encroachment on 1st Am. freedoms, such as freedom of speech, expression, petitioning of grievances. Because vague laws cause uncertainty in the minds of average citizens, some citizens will inevitably decline to take risky behavior that might land them in jail. When the vague provisions of a state or federal statute deter citizens from engaging in certain political or religious discourse, chilling is the operative word, courts will apply heightened scrutiny to ensure that protected expression is not suppressed. For example, a law that prohibits “sacrilegious” speech would simultaneously chill the freedoms of expression and religion in violation of the void for vagueness doctrine.
Islam, not ready for prime time; not now, not ever.
Kay says
So, it sounds like there’s no reason to self-censor.
But this kind of vague rule where the perception of the “victim” is made authoritative is already in place in many workplaces. Are you saying those rules are actually illegal?
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, Britons have actually been jailed for such matters as quoting Churchill.
Yes, this is illegal–but it crushes freedom of speech if citizens know that this is the sort of thing they will have to fight against if they speak out. And it just seems to be getting worse in places like the UK.
Anne Smith says
Gravenimage is absolutely right. Paul Weston was slung in jail for quoting from Churchill’s book, The River War in which he describes the shortcomings of Islam and its deleterious effect on followers.
Let us not forget the poor man who put bacon on the door handle of a mosque. Not one person was hurt or injured in his somewhat silly gesture, but he was sent for trial and judge sent him down for six months. He was killed in jail, possibly by Muslims, and a blanket of silence has now descended over the case.
Most Brits are careful these days to say nothing and do nothing which could be grounds for Police action against them. They have wives and families to consider and want to keep their jobs and homes. Unlike 70% of the Muslims in our country most British people work and do not live on benefits.
Troy says
Awesome, that means that all Islamists who preach hate against the U.K. will be jailed.
Mark says
If only…. It would actually be worth having such a stupid law if it were enforced even-handedly.
gravenimage says
I wish–but that is not at all what is happening in Britain.
Jürg Rückert says
At the end of World War II the Nazis prepared a law against people, who showed too less love for the Führer.
Keys says
Future hate crimes:
*Expressing a liking for bacon.
*Owning a dog.
*Not wearing a hijab.
*Not having your daughter circumsized (required to bring her in to the Ministry of Health authorities for inspection within 10 days of her 15th birthday).
*Thinking
*Reading or owning a Christian Bible.
*Reading or owning the Tanakh, Talmud, or any Jewish scripture.
*Holding a non-Muslim religious gathering (hateful to Islam).
*Drinking beer, wine, or any alcoholic beverage.
*Singing in public or private.
*Wearing a Bindi.
*Reading unapproved history books.
*Whatever the Ministry of Love and Hate determines to be HATE before or after the Unabridged Manual of Hate Crimes is published.
**********
Would this even be a discussion if there were no muslims in your country ?
mortimer says
Keys refers to SHARIA LAW violations as an excuse for hatred. However, Muslims DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE TO HATE THE DIRTY KUFAAR. They have the doctrine AL WALAA WAL BARAA … Islamic apartheid.
gravenimage says
Keys, God knows you may not be far off. Many Western nations are already moving in this direction.
Steve says
“… the Glasgow force has demanded people be “kind” online.” More anti-liberty action from a statist controlling authority. Reminds me of East Germany or North Korea. By my book, because those words are anti-liberty, they are pro-tyranny, and are therefore “very unkind.” Maybe the Glasgow force should arrest them self for what they have posted online.
Anti jihad says
Online caliphate can attract women in various ways for example some women are crazy of seeing ginger beard . recently an Indian jihadist posted videos of making Turkish cuisine to make friendship(love jihad) with women.Some can approach(child sx) by telling story of prophet and his wives. only Asians can understand this. Not like European night club dating. so dislike terrorist.
Jack Holan says
Robert you need to urge you Readers to send a tweet to any Media in England with this backup story expressing our sorrow at the the loss of their previous guaranteed Freedoms of Speech Expression Thought
Tom says
Are the British police THAT restricted in their use of discretion that they all must follow the same rigid opinion like zombies ?
Robert Peel, the father of professional policing said the police are the community and the community are the police
It seems in the UK the police have become the oppressors of the community and the community the oppressed.
Juhani says
Another “Troyan horse” inside the police? Who is able to expose it?
gravenimage says
My grandfather was a police superintendent in the West Midlands in a saner age. He must be turning over in his grave.
jesse says
The UK is going to be a third-world cesspool in no time. Luckily, the EU is breaking into smaller nations that can choose some other path.
mortimer says
Agree… start looking for Islam’s AL WALAA WAL BARAA !
underbed cat says
The U.K. needs a little undercover work in those mosques and on the street equipped with recordings and video.
Anne Smith says
Couldn’t agree more but there is no chance of that with Sharia May in charge. When she was Home Secretary she allowed Sharia Courts to quadruple in number.
mortimer says
WHO HAS A DEFINITION OF ‘HOSTILITY’ ??? Islamic scholars have defined ‘HOSTILITY’ in their compulsory, canonical doctrine of AL WALAA WALAA BARAA.
ISLAM HAS A DOCTRINE OF HATE: ‘AL BARAA’ = Islamic Apartheid, Shunning
Al Bughoud = Hatred of Kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’ or Al Mu’adaat (hatred) is the opposite of Al Muwalaat (love of Muslims), it is:
– To Hate
– To keep distance from
– To be enemy to
– To desert
– To decline to help
– To disrespect
– To put down
– Not to ally with
– Not to support
Allah ordered Muslims to have Baraa (to be cleansed) from the kufaar and from kufr and shirk.
– “As a Muslim, I must have hatred for anything non-Islam” – Anjem Choudary.
– Sahih Bukhari records that Abu ad-Darda’ said, “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.”
-Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed and act upon it, and yet not be HOSTILE against the mushrikeen. So anyone who isn’t HOSTILE against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
– from Sufi scholar Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624): “The honour of Islam lies in INSULTING kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to HUMILIATE them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain TERRIFIED and TREMBLING. It is intended to hold them under CONTEMPT and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”
– from ibn Taymiyya, “Book of Emaan”: “… true believers show ANIMOSITY and HATRED towards disbelievers and NEVER support them.”
– from Umar Sulayman ‘Abd-Allaah al-Ashqar, “Belief in Allah”: “The Muslim should regard the Kuffaar as ENEMIES and HATE them because of their kufr, just as he hates their kufr (disbelief) itself.”
– from [Chap.iv] “The Islaamic Concept of al-Walaa’ wal-Baraa’” by Khalid El-Gharib: “… to SHOW ENMITY to those who show enmity to Allaah and His Messenger”.
– “Killing a Kafir who is fighting you is OK. Killing a Kafir for any reason (i.e. criticism of Islam), you can say, it is OK – even if there is NO REASON for it. You can poison, ambush and kill non-believers. You must have a stand with your heart, with your tongue, with your money, with your hand, with your sword, with your Kalashnikov. Don’t ask shall I do this, just do it.”Abu Hamza al-Masri (Egyptian born British Cleric)
– “BELIEVERS ARE ALLOWED TO SHOW FRIENDSHIP TO THE DISBELIEVERS OUTWARDLY, BUT NEVER INWARDLY. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said, “We smile in the face of some people ALTHOUGH OUR HEARTS CURSE THEM.” from Ibn Kathir and his commentary on chapter 3 verse 28 of the Quran.
gravenimage says
This is horrifying, Mortimer, but we expect this from Muslims.
But this is Infidels–and worse, Infidel *authorities*–enforcing Shari’ah and criminalizing the criticism of Islam.
mortimer says
They are making BAD MANNERS into a crime. Preposterous.
gravenimage says
It’s even worse than that–I don’t believe that opposing evil is bad manners–let alone *a crime*.
Jim says
Classic case of sophistry by UK police. To the unwary it seems reasonable, except that it isn’t. First of all, it “overlooks” the hatred Islam has for non-muslims. Just read the Koran and hadiths, which is full of homicidal hatred for unbelievers. But I guess Truth is not a defense anymore in a “World Turned Upside Down.” Bye, bye, Briton.
Lydia says
If they live up to their definitions and consequences for them, then they would truly be going after all the muslim offenders! But we know they won’t…
Peter says
The British have lost their minds.
Maybe Trump needs to have a visa ban on them, and expel the British PC idiots who have infiltrated Hollywood and the U.S. media.
TL says
He needs to defang the British military. A good start would be to capture its nukes and submarines.
gravenimage says
TL *hates* Britain for having fought Hitler. This has nothing to do with their current dhimmitude.
Blangwort says
I would imagine that anyone with Aspergers would be in serious trouble.
Infidel Task Force says
OMG!! The thought police have come to the UK.
marble says
Those who refer to the violence and hatred in the Qur’an, Hadith, et al, and their teaching, preaching, and exhortation are to be the criminals? Welcome those who may rape, murder, plunder, and enslave you and your family? The rulers of most of Europe are unapologetically showing their contempt and loathing towards honorable and patriotic subjects who enrich the leaders with labor and die for them in wars for global enslavement of mankind.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Fred H says
Crackers. Even if it wasn’t, we all know that such offences will be prosecuted highly selectively and that 99.99% of hate activity by Muslims will be ignored.
Benedict says
To dislike or even to hate Islam is to care for Muslims.
Darryl Kerney says
Love Everyone,
OR ELSE…..
pfwag says
But believing you are supposed to chop off the heads of everyone that doesn’t believe like you isn’t?
vlparker says
Stalin and Mao would be proud of the British government.
nicu says
Fuckbook blocked me for 30 days AGAIN — Merkel – regime at it’s best !
The post is from 2015 !
If you critisize Islam you get blocked or even worse — People should leave FB for good !
James says
Fakebook banned me for 30 days too. 20 to go. That is what comes of being accurate about iSlime. Nor did Shariabook appreciate a post in whiich I made the undeniable assertion that different races are good at different things. It is fast becoming CuckBook, or SJWbook.
Carolyne says
I have a friend who is constantly blocked from Facebook for his comments about Islam. Sometimes odd amounts of time like 3 days and 5 hours. He persists as soon as he is allowed back. I am not a Facebook member as I don’t join fascist organizations, nor do I care to befriend hundreds of people I don’t even know, in an attempt to appear popular.
nicholas tesdorf says
The British Police should check out the Qur’an and the Hadithb where they will discover a mass of literature endorsing hatred to Kaffirs that goes well beyond “unfriendliness” and “dislike”.
Rufluc says
This absurdity is hopefully going to backfire in their stupid faces. If I read this right, it seems they are going to absurd lengths to appease the Muslims and all other undesirables that are invading our country, by eradicating all forms of opposition to their uncontrolled invasion. And it now seems they are attempting to be able to do this by ostracising and silencing anyone who is patriotic and indigenous to the UK, who simply want their country back. So no change there!
How on Earth can you FORCE someone to like someone else, especially as you may dislike what they represent and what they are doing to your country?
Yup, the insidious evil of left wing liberalism continues to creep across our society, spreading its tentacles into every nook and cranny of the establishment with the aim of silencing free speech, and creating mass mind control. Their motto has always been along the lines of “You WILL obey us and do exactly as we say, and you WILL think as we say you must think”. But now it seems they’re encouraging the idiots in authority to have this made an imposed law for the ‘thought police’ to enforce. Non conformance no doubt leading to incarceration, fining, and the complete destruction of you and yours (read Tommy Robinsons ‘Enemy of the State’ as a good example of this in action)….and now it seems we are heading towards having this insane power placed into law if something isn’t done to stop it.
Can you honestly see the general public putting up with this insanity? Especially as it’s bound to be applicable only to non Muslims, while Muslims can continue to spout their barbaric bile full of hate and loathing against everyone else who doesn’t believe in their evil ideological cult. Knowing that they are already above the law as recent history has clearly shown.
It really beggars belief how the authorities of the UK and the rest of the Western world have been duped to this extent. You would have thought that even leftists and Liberals, who seem to be running the show a lot of the time, would have some glimmer of intelligence to see the errors of their ways. But sadly they don’t.
This left wing madness isn’t going to end well, and I sincerely hope the march of the right continues to increase its gains. We really do need some sanity back in the West!
Japetto Donatelli says
Well said, and sadly so true. Ya notice the authorities don’t give a damn about our “perceptions” about violent islam and the dangers is brings. The pandering left can’t tackle the real issue of that violent “religion,” they’d rather redefine “dislike” and “hostility” to criminalize our thoughts. It’s so much easier to keep us infidel sheep quiet than to deal with the ones that want to cut our throats. Thousands of jihadists roam the streets, kids and women are mass raped, but wait, did I dare “dislike” that? Spank me hard. Whole neighborhoods are lost to dangerous enclaves and sharia councils abound, but wait, do I dare be concerned about our laws and safety? Rather than deal with the hate and crimes of islam the authorities are trying to criminalize “disliking” the hate and crimes of islam. Muslims can have a religion that glorifies murder and war and hate as divine revelation, but we can’t even dislike or discuss it. The reaction to islam by the left seems to me like a mental illness of the psychopathic kind. More than feckless, they act like dangerous nuts without a moral or patriotic bone in their body. The lunatics have taken over the asylum and muslims couldn’t be happier.
Rufluc says
Yes Japetto, I think you clearly have highlighted exactly what they are actually doing and it really is a serious turn of events if they continue along this path of PC madness.
The lethal disease of left wing liberalism really has started to infect the weak minded we have in authority, to the point where these imbeciles in uniform really do prefer to pander to the demands of the invading hordes rather than protect their own people from them.
They of course know that it’s far easier for them to pass ridiculous laws to prevent any dissent or forms of dislike by non Muslims towards Muslims, because we are naturally more accommodating and civilised than the medievil invading barbarians are.
It must also be remembered that the Liberal Left and Muslims both have something in common. If they can’t get their own way from the endless lies they spread and the widespread accusations of racism they throw at any opposition, they then resort to violence. Charlotsville is a very typical example of this. There are also many examples of this in Tommy Robinsons book, ‘Enemy of the State’ too (a must read).
With so many Liberals in positions of power, Muslims have their ‘partners in crime’ defending and covering up for them. This is why the Muslim gang rapists in the UK managed to get away with their heinous crimes for over 3 decades! A hugely damaging crime that has affected an estimated 1 million young underage non Muslim, mostly white girls. It also must be added that not one single Muslim girl was harmed, raped nor plied with drugs or alcohol, in the making of this hugely racist outrage!
However, the spineless police authorities in the UK are now seemingly prefering to take the path of least resistance, by targeting the innocent indigenous people who simply want to defend themselves and their families, and preserve their culture and way of life from the scourge of Islam. Instead they have decided to appease those that are creating this ever increasing threat of social instability and collapse of western civilization. A truly insane scenario that is taking form on a daily basis!
It’s obvious, that it’s far easier to target us than Muslims. An alien tribe who so readily resort to loud animated hatred and violence against anyone who face up to them, and who so freely play the ‘race card too when it suits them. A very toxic mix indeed, and one that the authorities have no idea how to deal with. So they opt to go for the easier option, by keeping everything nice and P.C. by imposing more and more legislation on us!
So of course Muslims are generally disliked throughout Western society. They do nothing to make this better. In fact they do the complete opposite, as their numbers and influence increase. They antagonise and threaten us. In fact they start to treat us like shit! Just look at the widespread gang rape of 1000’s of underage white girls throughout the UK as a very good example.
It is somewhat alarming to think that a significant number of the 650 MP’s who were elected to represent the wishes of the population of the UK, clearly have hidden agendas by supporting pro Muslim legislation such as this, and it is primarily being caused by the ever growing numbers of Muslims in the country who are increasingly are becoming an ever growing influencie in parliament. God help us all if Ayatollah Corbyn ever gets the keys to number 10!
Take Sadiq Khan, the Muslim Mayor of London as an example (yes I know, it’s unbelievable isn’t it?). Look at how fast they are taking over. He got that powerful influencial position by 1.3 million voting for him. So, how many Muslims are there in London, you may ask? Yes, that’s right, 1.3 million!
From this example alone, you can clearly see that Muslims are only loyal to their own, united in their ultimate goal of world domination, and the demise of all ‘infidels’!
Brexit was the beginning of the push back in the UK. In time the people of the UK will unite against this evil encroachment and start a coordinated fight back. But first we need the right people in the right seats of authority. It’s up to the people of the U.K. to put them there, like the U.S. put Trump in the White House.
It won’t be a pretty sight when it all kicks off, but one things for sure, the Police and the politicians will have only themselves to blame for it all when it does! Then hopefully, they’ll all be brought to account for their treasonous actions!
Carolyne says
I can see the general public putting up with this as much of it they have accepted and obeyed for years. No backbone. The English have been so badly beaten down by their governments that they will never stand upright again. As Mr. Spencer often says, “England is lost.”
Hugo Hackenbush says
Remind me to never go to England.
gravenimage says
UK police: “Dislike” and “unfriendliness” can be hate crimes
…………………………..
Well, this is just f*cking insane.
You can’t even force people to like pumpkin spice lattes or cute cat videos–nor should you be able to.
But deeming disliking or being unfriendly to a creed that sacralizes child rape and the mass slaughter of innocent people as a “hate crime”?
British authorities have lost their way–not to mention their minds.
Karina says
Regardless of skin color or gender, I cannot like individuals who hold the belief that those who leave their faith should be killed, nor can I like any group or faith which professes to hold this belief.
It is simply against my values and beliefs, as I believe in freedom of religion.
Apparently, that is bad, and I am the bad one, not the ones who suppress freedom of religion—-according to British politicians, elites, and the police.
What a disturbing world we live in.
Voytek Gagalka says
Just wait before Islam pandering chief of Facebook (Mr. Zuckerberg) will jump on that same bandwagon and start to suppress users’ activity on such things as: posting Dislike flag or deciding that to un-friend anyone for any reason whatever constitutes an expression of hate and deems such users worth suspending or permanently removing from “his” social network!
gravenimage says
This is just what I was thinking.
No Fear says
So when the Quran says unbelievers are the vilest of animals…..that is a hate crime?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
How did “hate” ever become criminalized? How? I understand, but don’t agree with, hate speech laws. In Canada, hate speech laws state specifically that their purpose is to protect groups from genocide. It targets published calls to violence against certain identifiable groups. But it does not involve private conversations. It does not target the emotion of “hate.” Everyone hates and loves, and feels all kinds of emotions. What do the police have to do with this? The police should be involved with criminal ACTIONS, especially around injury, loss of life and property damage. (The only thing the police are involved with is proving criminal intent.) What’s next? Will these ninnies in uniforms be enforcing mandatory “niceness” laws?
This actually tells me that the UK has already fallen and that a police state is in the process of being imposed.
James says
What I find raving mad and very evil is that no harm need be done, or even intended – it need only be “perceived”. And no evidence need be offered by the aggrieved party. The burden of proof is on the accused, to show that no HateCrime has been committed. This is a very serious novelty, because it abolishes the presumption of the innocence of the accused, and replaces it with a presumption of guilt. My father did not fight in WW2 for this to happen. It is too disgraceful for words.
Anne Smith says
You have summed up this absurdity very well, James.
Such a pity none of our politicians can grasp this point.
Today we have been treated to the news that most of our politicians are too busy groping and propositioning their female staff to bother with representing their constituents. It seems that sexual harassment is the order of the day in Westminster, not bothering with running the country properly or making sure that the laws they pass are are sensible and represent the wishes of the majority of the electorate.
Davegreybeard says
Seems the Brits are at it AGAIN!
Out here in The Colonies we are very familiar with this sort of TYRANNY and long ago formulated the proper response:
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government…”
When you can be prosecuted for what someone else PERCEIVES as an insult, it is time for CIVIL WAR!
Carolyne says
While all of these rules are alarming, the most alarming to me is the one about needing no evidence. I assume this means they can pick up anyone on the street and prosecute them for anything with no evidence whatsoever that they have committed a crime. Everyone (Except Muslims) will be in danger of being arrested and jailed at any time. And the British will put up with this without a whimper?
While I used to visit England several times a year, I haven’t been there for several years and will never go again. Good bye England. Good bye civilization..
It mentions people with disabilities. Does this mean that it’s OK for a blind person be denied a taxi because he has a dog and the Muslim doesn’t like dogs? Having a dog could be construed as a hate crime in England, but on the other hand it appears anything could be construed as a hate crime. Even walking while breathing.
Jak says
UK should be officially as having S 4 B
Self preservation is a hate crime and racist to boot
Ending an argument with “Yo Momma!!” is a hate crime.
TheBuffster says
When “hate crime” first became a thing, as I recall, it referred to an actual crime such as beating someone up, or rape or theft or vandalism that included an expression of hatred for that person’s race, religion, ethnic origin, sex, sexual preference, etc. In other words, if there was evidence to suggest that the crime was done out of bigoted hatred or if the victim was the one chosen because of the criminal’s bigotry, that added the “hate crime” charge to the basic charge. The bigoted motivation was an aggravating offense.
I was never in favor of that approach because I don’t care *why* a person does any of those things to me. If he rapes me or beats me up or robs me just because he wanted to rape someone or he hit me because he wanted to rob me or whatever, I really don’t want him getting off any easier just because I was a total random stranger and he just felt like hurting someone.
But nevertheless, if the expression of bigoted hostility is treated as an aggravating factor to an actual violent crime that still has a certain reasonableness to it. (Of course, it’s possible that if the person was attacking a member of their own group, they still might say terrible, hostile things because that’s part of bashing someone. They might call a woman an ugly bitch or a guy an effing bastard, even if they themselves are those things. When a person is hyped up for violence, they generally do say awful things to their victims.)
But if the crime *is* the saying of nasty things to people – unless it’s an actual threat that makes a person fear for their safety – that should not be a crime, even though it expresses hostility. I’d rather know if a person despises me and know I need to avoid them rather than have them smile in my face while dreaming of stabbing me in the back some day.
Let honesty reign. Let me avoid the people who hate me if I want to.
michigan man says
my english grandparents would be agast at what is happening to their once great country.insanity reigns
in the government and good english people should not put up with these absurd laws being made.protest and protest LOUDLY.