British authorities like to pretend that there is equal terror threat coming from both jihadis and “right-wing extremists.” That leads to a diversion of resources that could be used to fight jihadis, and the persecution of innocent people, such as the politician Paul Weston, who was arrested for publicly reading Winston Churchill’s remarks about Islam.
The really insidious aspect of this, however, is that for years, Leftist and Islamic supremacist spokesmen have been claiming that any opposition to jihad terror that involved honest discussion of its motivating ideology was “far-right propaganda.” In light of that, what Amber Rudd is essentially saying here is that if you read jihadi websites or counter-jihad websites, you could face fifteen years in prison.
The British government claims to want to fight against jihad terror, but it is most energetic in fighting against those who are actually fighting against jihad terror.
“Amber Rudd: viewers of online terrorist material face 15 years in jail,” by Alan Travis, Guardian, October 2, 2017:
People who repeatedly view terrorist content online could face up to 15 years behind bars in a move designed to tighten the laws tackling radicalisation the home secretary, Amber Rudd, is to announce on Tuesday.
A new maximum penalty of 15 years’ imprisonment will also apply to terrorists who publish information about members of the armed forces, police and intelligence services for the purposes of preparing acts of terrorism.
The tightening of the law around viewing terrorist material is part of a review of the government’s counter-terrorism strategy following the increasing frequency of terrorist attacks in Britain this year.
“I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online, including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions, face the full force of the law,” said Rudd. “There is currently a gap in the law around material [that] is viewed or streamed from the internet without being permanently downloaded.
“This is an increasingly common means by which material is accessed online for criminal purposes and is a particularly prevalent means of viewing extremist material such as videos and web pages,” added the home secretary.
A Home Office analysis shows that since 1 September 2016 Daesh or Isis supporters have published almost 67,000 tweets in English, promoting online links to their propaganda on a range of online platforms and making English-speakers the second most important audience for Daesh supporters after Arabic. Figures also show that in the first eight months of this year, more than 44,000 links to Isis propaganda were created and shared….
Mark A says
And who gets to decide what constitutes “far right propaganda”?
If Robert Spencer can be barred from the UK for what is posted on JW, I think the UK standard for “far right propaganda” will be pretty wide.
Jayell says
“If Robert Spencer can be barred from the UK for what is posted on JW, I think the UK standard for “far right propaganda” will be pretty wide.”
OK, so I’m now expecting a midnight knock on the door from the boys (and girls) in blue from the local community cohesion squad. My, multicultural England is such a fun place to be!
It seems like the panic is setting in now. The idiots have been warned for years now about what’s been going on and where this is all leading. They’ve tried all the media brain-washing and cover-ups from spurious pie-in-the-sky multiculti sitcoms on TV to outright bending and suppression of the news, dragging whistle-blowers in front blatant kangaroo courts, incessantly denigration the indigenous British people, running down Christianity pushing islam down people’s throats, but the signs are that it’s all backfired because they forgot that the British people aren’t stupid or easily cowed. The latest ploy – the sex-scandal character-assassination campaign of (preferably dead) celebrities designed to divert attention from and ‘normalise’ the now very-public muslim grooming gang debacle – is coming unstuck and degenerating into a farce because they’ve tried it too often, it’s becoming predictable and ridiculously obvious that they’re just ‘trying it on’ with whatever ‘big name’ in turn they think they can incinerate to make enough smoke; and they forgot that people don’t just lie down and accept this garbage but tend to bite back in a very expensive way. The only thing is, I can’t quite make out exactly who ‘they’ are.
Rob says
EXACTLY – “far-right” bashing has become a concerted attempt to prevent the public from knowing and understanding what is going on in their own countries and around the world. The “far-right” moniker is a smoke screen intentionally being used to lump everyone who even remotely questions Islamic religious texts, history and agenda into a group with real neo-Nazis; it is a propaganda scam bought into only by the illiterate, the weak-minded and those who profit from their position. The growth of “far-right” sentiments in the West is a direct result of the suicidal policies of the EU, Commonwealth and other Western countries (including the U.S.) which are adopting positions and policies in direct opposition to the desires and best interests of their own countrymen. The governments of Poland, Hungary and Bulgaria are to be congratulated and admired for standing up for their own people.
Lou says
Well said !
Tom says
When I see radical Islamists being caught and sent to prison for 15 years for merely reading websites promoting Islamic Jihad THEN and only then will I believe that the UK is getting serious about fighting extremism.
Let’s face it the radical Islamists in the UK are allowed to spout their hatred and promote the killing of others out on the street in the open without even a “move along now” from the british bobby. They can get away with rapung little girls by the thousand without even a “come along now let’s go home” from the british bobby. In fact the British Bobby is one of the most appeasing toward muslims and Islam.
The average Brit had better wake up and see what is occurring in their country and put a stop to it or they will be living under a totalitarian oppressive regime in no time at all.
PRCS says
Not to be mean, Tom, but would you mind explaining how “radica” Islamists differ from regular extremists,
And, at what point does a Muslim’s compliance with Qur’an and Sunnah become “extremism”?
Thanks.
PRCS says
…would you mind explaining how “radical” Islamists differ from regular Islamists.
mummymovie says
I have always preferred the term Islamofascist.
Islam is radical… well, reactionary would be the more accurate term; in fact, it is Islam that is “far-right,” and very much so, a super authoritarian and draconian ideology and social system, indeed.
That’s what’s so ironic and bizarre about the enduring Islamo-leftist alliance: A far-right ideology that is the purveyor and disseminating force of brutally totalitarian, ultra racist (yes, FASCIST) fundamentally religious, violent, supremacist, racist, discriminatory, sexist, mysoginistic, superstitious, monolithic, one-dimensional, stone age, oppressive mentality anfd practices; paired with so-called ‘Antifa’ who is supposed to stand against all of that stuff.
But yes- we have been branded as the “far-right” even though we are trying to defend principles formerly espoused by liberal, open societies. The inclusion of “far right” into
this sweeping new legislation does not bode well at all.
I guess the idea is to create an equivalency, and to label it with the generic term “extremism” so as not to upset and “offend” the muzzles, this false equivalency, and it’s ugly cousin Virtue Signaling (of which it is actually a form), is a recipe for suicide… very dangerous stuff.
How far we our western societies go to appease these mindless savages that are colonizing the west? Will it ever end?
As we bear witness today to yet another car attack in London, we know the forces that be will stop at nothing to curb any dissent against the ever-increasingly advancing global jihad. Hopefully the tipping point is around the corner with our tolerance of this ugliness, and people will soon have had enough of this rubbish.
Tony says
Does this mean I’ll get 15 years for looking at Jihad Watch and other websites resisting Islamic Jihad. This is 1984 ten fold. The British government have gone to full insanity mode.
Crystal says
Tony: The mark of a fanatic is that they don’t know who their friends are. It also goes back to what I observed in the mid and late ’70’s, when, on their side, right was wrong, and wrong was right.
underbed cat says
This make me incredibly nervous, as free speech is ebbing toward a cliff. I am surprised to know that she is aware of the Isis propaganda literature which is available in her country, I totally understand restricting those publications or not to wanting to have people read and get interested so as to prevent terrorist groups from communicating and instructing terror. Yet these publication read by national security can get information about their methods. But to categorize web sites that report the news of jihad attacks and explain the doctrine that they follow is actually truth telling to prevent the clueless from joining. However inside every mosque are Qurans….and that she should know about since it is the learning center of jihad. Don’t think she can walk in and ban the book without hysteria but I think she should read it and they figure out what to do. Just saying ….information may prevent future growth and decisions on the occurring invasion called higra.
underbed cat says
opps hijra
underbed cat says
It is insane to jail citizens for reading about or informing themselves about the threat.
Crystal says
This is what one gets when there is not Constitution, no First Amendment. It’s what one gets when one believes that rights come from government and not “the Creator.”
James says
Some rights do come from government. Whether or not they are true rights, and what constitutes a right, are further questions.
The right to free speech (say) can hardly be defended as being from God, without the intervention of the state. It is far from self-evident that any such right exists. I think it is least problematic to say that it is conferred by the state, like the right to bear arms.
I think there is far too much talk of rights, real or imagined, and far too little emphasis on duties. Rights and duties go together – to insist on one’s rights, while ignoring one’s duties to others, is AFAICS just another form of selfishness. I want no part of that.
Robeaver says
Hahahahahahah good one. Very funny.
Where does Magna Carta come from?
Did the creator create those pedophile priests?? That’s what I want to know.
Michael Warden says
English Bill of Rights 1689 states that as a Protestant I have the right to bear arms.
Bee says
Let’s keep reading and not cave in to this vile woman. Her days in the government are numbered as she is very disliked. Knock, knock. Hello PC plod!
BlueRaven says
The UK current Government is not made up of any bright sparks, but only dim-wit morons.
There has been another Jihadi attack today in London, in South Kensington area.
So, they want to kill off making any Investigative Documentaries in the future which are to raise the public awareness about evil Islam. They want to bring Sharia full swing into action. Is there any way the people of Britain could vote these traitors out of power? The real problem is that there is no alternative over the horizon. Just long, lonely dark days and nights ahead. EU will follow the British example in a few years to come.
Britian is lost forever to Islam.. Shame on their so called pathetic leadership.
LB says
It was only a matter of time before it came down to this in Britanistan. I advise any British JW readers who will not bow down to this fascistic intimidation to get a VPN subscription when browsing the net from now on. VPN stands for Virtual Private Network and it’s basically a virtual portal through which its users browse the net. So when typing jihadwatch.org in your browser, instead of going directly to the site using your own IP address, you will go to it through the VPN using its IP address instead; that way you cannot be traced.
These are dire times for anti-jihadists and you need to be able to defend yourself from these kinds of modern tech attacks, no matter how old you are. I’d hate to see a mass arrest of old people in the UK for “right-wing extremism” in the coming days.
Tom says
The tried and tested way of totalitarian regimes cowing and opposition into submission is to identify and isolate the leadership first. Arrest and imprison those leaders, then set an example to the general population of an execution or two. That strategy usually quells any uprising sentiment.
Fortunately there are always those who continue to defy totalitarianism and fascism. They are called patriots.
Westman says
Who, better than a Brit of the past, Eric Arthur Blair(AKA George Orwell), prophesied the UK’s descent into totalitarianism via the control of information and its subsequent denial of truth to the citizens? Would the author of “1984” spare any invectives for the cowards like Rudd who ask for the levers of power to crush anyone who threatens the bubble of elite living by declaring the truth?
When we read of the “1984” two-way screens in every citizen’s living space, before the internet, it seemed implausible. Now it seems unavoidable. Hackers create the tools that government ultimately adopts. Unauthorized camera and microphone access is happening to anyone surfing the net. Install an APP that reports access to the camera and see, for yourself, how often it occurs.
Like the refused US past government demand for a “backdoor” into cell phones, the demands of governments to spy on citizens will never stop and will always be justified by claiming it protects all citizens. It’s not difficult to visualize Rudd and some woman friends viewing some hapless citizens for entertainment.
Maybe Rudd will be the face of , Big Sister.
Barbara Ethel says
Now that would be just cruel.
Shmooviyet says
She sandwiches “far right propaganda” in between “jihadi websites” and “bomb-making instructions”?!?
And all three she considers “despicable terrorist content”.
If she could be clearer on the ‘far right’ stuff she gladly would- but CAN’T. Over & over when referring to ‘far right terrorism’ the MSM and pols mention the same two/three names (re Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik). Following every attack the press waits on tenterhooks for the ‘right-wing’ connection– and are so obviously, visibly disappointed.
Crystal says
By “far right” she means anyone who expresses a negative “opinion” of Islam. You will obey Big Brother/Sister.
Raja says
UK is run by conservative with the elusive majority mark if my memory serves me right.
The attitude of the present UK govt is as bad as any leftist loon govt as they continue to paint a grim picture of counter jihad. Isn’t counter jihad reactionary? Who not go after the source of terror rather than resistance to terror.
brock says
thought crimes, britian now has thought crimes, and so does north korea
Japetto Donatelli says
…far-right propaganda…
You know once they start using vague, undefined terms like that they’re quietly slipping their dictatorial c*cks up our ass.
In Britain’s sharia compliant universe anything right of Karl Marx is “far right propaganda.” The thought police are working hard to destroy freedom of conscience and expression for the sake of barbaric islam. These politicians are contorting our laws and values to accommodate a violent and hateful religion born of 7th century ignorance. We who speak against the immorality and crimes of that hateful religion are not the danger, no matter how strident or offensive our views might seem. It’s the politicians and media who protect islam’s jihad agenda who are the real danger to peace and stability in the west. They lump our reasoned concerns and justified anger in with the worst hate groups to portray us as terrorists, and they falsely accuse us of race hate and religious intolerance to shut down debate they know they can’t win. And when that doesn’t work they threaten us with fines or jail. Our appointed leaders and politicians are acting like a philandering husband who’s slept with every whore in town. It get’s to the point where the wife realizes, hey, the guy doesn’t care about me at all. Well guess what, neither do our traitorous politicians. They care only about their own power and how islam will help them attain more power, over our speech, our minds, every aspect of our lives. This is what islam is about, total control at the expense of human rights, and that’s why the left is helping them with Nazi level tactics and lies. It’s all done in the name of national security and religious tolerance, but in truth they only destroy national security and tolerance by allowing islam to grow. These leftist traitors can’t claim to care about us anymore. They are sleeping with whores and beating us down too much to even get away with pretending. I think it’s time for a divorce and a new “marriage” with leaders who value peace and freedom, and then relegate these traitors to the trash bin of moral turpitude and narcissistic self interest.
Japetto Donatelli says
If they want to stop dangerous and hateful speech then go to the mosques. Nothing is more dangerous than than the violent fascist ideas that islam teaches as divine truth.
Barbara Ethel says
So we will all just post cute pics of kittens and pretend nothing is happening. All the while white genocide gains momentum and the NWO busily works on Agenda21 and one world government. Jesus wept.
Ok.
Over and out. I ll shut up now.
fbijihadidefender says
Where are the “right-wing extremists” in UK ? The fact is most of the terrorists are Islamic terrorists. If the the “far-right propaganda” should be considered a crime and those who support “far-right” will get 15 years in jail, how about “far-left propaganda”, such as Communism, how about PRC China ?
What left left ?
Stan Lee says
….A nation of sheep, milling about in a barnyard which is easily accessible for predatory jackals who can feast on sheep’s blood at will. And, the sheep seem willing to share this status quo, provided the jackals agree to not exceed what they have established. The sheep are aware that the jackals are established liars, but perhaps…perhaps, not this time.
The sheep just beg to keep everything polite and quiet, after all if they don’t, the jackals could accuse the sheep of becoming aggressive to the predatory needs of the jackals. Really, did the sheep need the jackals with whom to share the barnyard in the first place?
What price passivity?
Ciudadano says
Hey, she didn’t include far-left propaganda. The bias is too obvious.
Since the beginning I’ve feared left politicians will use terrorism as an excuse to trim individual freedoms and implement mass survillance. Now my fears are becoming reality. They are not happy controlling what you can say, now they want to control what you can view.
What is far-right propaganda? Well obviously anything opossing the liberal agenda: anti abortion, anti homosexual marriage, anti mass immigration, etc.
Left politicians don’t want to stop mass muslim inmigration because they want to use it to transform western societies. They know western societies are aging and older people tend to be conservative.
NotAFool says
If they put me in prison for visiting a website I’ll give them a proper reason to do so.
I wonder about leftists says
How stupid leftists and governments are. You call us rightists, nazis, islamophobes, we are just people who are against any violence, rape, criminals, sharia laws, decapitating people, burning people, put them in cages, burn them or drowning people, malfiguring young girls, etc. and trying to protect our countries. You have thrown away your law, constitutions and our freedom of speech and you want muslims to conquer the whole world, and we have to live by Sharia.
If you don’t understand that, then you are so stupid, not that life was so beautiful when muslims were not here yet, but the time to use the people as slaves is over and we surly will not be oppressed by Islam.
Shame on you and I feel sorry for your children and grandchildren. They will have to live by Sharia.
We will never give up the freedom of speech. NEVER. Churchill will turn around in his grave, hearing that people get put in prison for repeating one of his sayings.
I never thought that UK people, Canadians Europeans, etc exposed themselves in what and whom they really are. Your children will meet the next generation muslim children who are already so brainwashed with such a violence and raised to kill. Good luck to your children! They will need it and so do we, but so do you !!!
American Gentile says
Quote: “Through the use of terror, man can be reduced to a childlike and submissive state, in which his powers of reason are clouded, and in which his emotional response to various situations and stimuli can become predictable, or in Tavistockian terms, “profitable.’’
I came across this gem, http://www.theglobalmovement.info/wp/areas-of-focus/global-financial-war/who-controls-the-media while trying to find the reference to Nick Rockerfeller who quipped that terrorism was the best hoax yet upon mankind (to remove all rights and install strict control)
gravenimage says
Is “American Gentile” claiming that Jihad terror is a “hoax”? So it appears. *Ugh*.
In other words, Islam is not a threat at all–just roll over, “filthy Infidels”.
Ricky says
You will never see a Muslim charged Tommy Robinson yes sharia trained muzzies no never
DRHazard says
The Quran and Hadith are so full of hate that if this ban was applied fairly then any Muslim who has a computer and is interested in their own religion would be in jail.
Lydia says
I told you it was on the way.
This is the Great Orwellian Inversion:
“The British government claims to want to fight against jihad terror, but it is most energetic in fighting against those who are actually fighting against jihad terror.”
Bingo.
and this:
“I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online, including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions, face the full force of the law,” said Rudd.
In other words, to view terrorist OR anti-terrorist material is all blended into the same mix.
In the end, it is all labeled ‘extremist.’ That is the definition of ‘extremist’ that they were looking to construct, and then villify. All this, to cattle prod everyone into their ‘common ground,’ where ‘it’s all one,’ in the name of ‘tolerance and unity in diversity.’ Those who don’t comply will be dealt with, which I can tell you right now is ME. I will continue to look, warn, and be separate until the bittersweet end, thank you!
Resist evil always!
mortimer says
THIS IS FOOLISHNESS. If Muslims do not watch JIHADI WEBSITES, the intelligence community cannot identify that they are JIHADISTS.
They should create their own fake jihadist websites and lure Muslims and entrap them.
American Gentile says
I strongly disagree that we should create fake jihadi websites. Here in the US, the FBI created a pedophile website to entrap pedophiles. After it was all done, some realized that the FBI now was the biggest supporter of pedophilia in the world (for a time)
Are you in favor of your government creating pedophilia?
So I ask, do we help stop evil by creating more evil? We need to think more carefully before caving into knee-jerk thoughts.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
It would take nothing, technically, to clear the internet of jihadis. The problem is the political will. In the UK the leadership class is either stupidly sympathetic to Mohammadism (like that useless bozo, the prince of wales) or is bought by big middle eastern oil money.
They are using this as a pretext to silence their biggest critics, internet based international truth tellers.
John Forbes says
TERESA MAY & AMBER RUDD & the BRITISH GOVERNMENT have proven themselves to be both COWARDS & LIARS on a vast number of occasions not the least bring this MUSLIM CHILD RAPING EPIDEMIC that appears to be unstoppable !
How anyone votes for TRASH LIKE this is well beyond me !!
Frank Lee says
Everyone type in the words “jihad watch robert spencer”, and then read some of the websites. He will get a lot more exposure.
Schrödinger says
Islamophobia? Don’t even doublethink about it.
And apologies to George Orwell for paraphrasing what we hope he’d intended to be a stark warning — not a dystopian prophecy of Britain’s bleak fate:
Yet again the Muezzin’s loud voice was wailing an Adhan from the minaret, this time the evening call to prayer. The grisly wails of Kuffar prisoners and eager tales of their booty and latest slaughter had died down a little. Most of those who’d performed Salat had shuffled off. Winston Churchill’s great, great grandson, sitting in a blissful stupor, paid no attention as his glass was filled with black tea. He was not running or cheering any longer. He was back in the Ministry of Love, next to the Finsbury Park Mosque, with everything forgiven, his soul as white as the Kaaba is black. He was in the public dock, confessing everything, implicating everybody, and shrieking the Shahada. He was walking down the white-tiled corridor, with the feeling of walking in sunlight, and a knife wielding Mujahideen at his back. The long-hoped-for beheading was ending his life. He gazed up at the enormous dome. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the Prophet’s dark beard. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the Most Merciful, Most Beneficent Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds! Two tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Allah. THE END
bryan oconnor says
So in Britianstan, you can get 15 yrs. for resisting jihad ! Britianstan needs a ” CROMWELL ” not a ” CHURCHILL ” !
TKF says
The human race has already been through one dark age of superstitious stupidity, do we really want to go through another one courtesy of the ass-backwards, pig-ignorant, ultra-violent and thoroughly INSANE ideology of Islam? Islam is a massive LIE. One of the most destructive and regressive hoaxes to ever infect the planet, bar none. The second it becomes a crime to point this out we are finished as a free society. Britain is already finished.
gravenimage says
Actually, there have been numerous dark ages in human history. We do not need another one.