The consequences of this idiocy could be explosive. These returning jihadis are enemy combatants. They joined an entity that considers itself at war with Britain, and that has called for the murder of British civilians. Would Britain in 1943 have “reintegrated” a group of returning Nazi Britons?
“‘Naïve’ young jihadis who return from fighting for ISIS in Syria should be allowed ‘space’ to rejoin British society rather than face jail, says anti-terror watchdog,” by Rory Tingle, Mailonline, October 20, 2017:
‘Naive’ teenagers who return to Britain after fighting for ISIS should be allowed to reintegrate rather than face prosecution, according to the anti-terror watchdog.
Max Hill QC said hundreds of Britons coming home after serving under the brutal terror group in Iraq and Syria have not been charged to avoid ‘losing a generation’ of young men.
Around half of the estimated 850 UK citizens who joined ISIS in the Middle East have since returned, according to official figures.
Mr Hill, the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, told BBC radio: ‘The authorities have looked at them and looked at them hard and have decided that they do not justify prosecution, and really we should be looking towards reintegration and moving away from any notion that we are going to lose a generation due to this travel.
‘It’s not a decision that MI5 and others will have taken lightly.
‘But they have left space, and I think they are right to do so, for those who travelled out of a sense of naivety, possibly with some brainwashing along the way, possibly in their mid-teens and who return in a state of utter disillusionment and we have to leave space for those individuals to be diverted away from the criminal courts.’
The comments came a day after EU Security Commissioner Julian King revealed that up to 8,000 foreign fighters may come back to Europe after the fall of Raqqa.
Experts say those who stayed are now likely to head for Turkey in the hope of travelling on to Europe to seek revenge for the destruction of the caliphate.
Tory MP Geoffrey Clifton-Brown criticised Mr Hill’s stance, saying: ‘We should take a tough approach on this.
‘Protecting against any future terror attack must be the primary concern.’
Supporting a terrorist group such as Islamic State is a criminal offence in the UK….
RichardL says
It takes one to know one: that chap is so naive that I actually would call him clinically insane. Or he is considering a career in politics.
If it indeed would be “a whole generation of of young man” that came back from Syria, he would not advocate for them to be left alone, would he? But because it is “only” a few thousand he thinks that the deaths caused by his idiocy might be better for his career than sounding non-pc. What are a few hundred beheaded citizens if he gets a career out of it, right?
Halal Bacon says
$2 says he is as queer as a $3 bill and has gay jihadi lovers
Jayell says
Only $2?
gravenimage says
The idea that everyone who is willfully clueless about Islam has Jihadi lovers is quite mistaken.
Halal Bacon says
odds he is gay
http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/49/12/b94061627ae8e18207ae4ad3b2848fb2.jpg
gravenimage says
These pious Muslims would throw him off a high building.
Mac-101 says
Didn’t Lord HaHA git hanged after WWII? They are still huntin down 90+ year old NAZI SS privates and jailin them, yet these crimes against humanity are not as bad, if not even worse since they left Britain to do them? All should git the Nurnberg treatment!
mortimer says
Duty of Jihad
Reliance of the Traveller O9.1 “Jihad is a communal obligation,” meaning obligatory upon the Muslims each year.
Legal Definition of Jihad in Sharia
Chapter O9.0: Jihad
(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion.
The Objectives of Jihad
The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…
O9.9 The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book…
DIVINE AUTHORITY FOR JIHAD
Allah said:
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]….
9:29.Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Muhammad said:
“I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387
ISLAMIC JURISTS SAY:
• Al-Shafi’i said: “The least that the imam must do is that he allow no year to pass without having organised a military expedition by himself, or by his raiding parties, according to the Muslims’ interest, so that the jihad will only be stopped in a year for a (reasonable) excuse.” He said: “If he did not undertake the sending of enough troops to fight, those who are absent (must) go out, and consider as an obligation that which God (who is praised) said.”
• Below is what Al-Ghazali actually wrote about jihad war, and the treatment of the vanquished non-Muslim dhimmi peoples (from the Wagjiz, written in 1101 A.D.): …one must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – Jews and Christians, typically] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…
JIHAD REMAINS A DUTY FOR ALL MUSLIMS:
Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 2497: Narrated AbuUmamah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He who does not join the warlike expedition (jihad), or equip, or looks well after a warrior’s family when he is away, will be smitten by Allah with a sudden calamity.
Georg says
If the deeds of Islamic state so appeal to someone they travel around the globe to participate they are an ipso facto monumental danger to British children and the public. This creep doesn’t mind getting paid loads of money from the British while being negligent in this most pathetically basic function of keeping genocidal supremacists out?! What craven egomania that he’d prefer to cater to extremists than the public at large which employs him. FIRE HIM!!!
Maran says
Really, People,
Have we not become used to this ridiculous rhetoric by PC MPs. (has this country gone mad to actually vote these people into power or is there something wrong with the voting system? ) Sane people ask sane questions. Welcoming back those who are probably responsible for many deaths as ISIS fighters, is not the action of a sane minded community. We can only reach the conclusion that there is none so blind as those who do not want to see. May God have mercy on us as a nation and restore sanity.
LR says
Georg,
Yep…Well stated…
I do not understand idiots like this…
Tom says
Yes divert them away from the courts into work camps where they can work their asses off while thinking about how stupid they were.
Possibly after about 5 years of hard work they may be ready to re enter society.
But I won’t hold out any hope that they will become good citizens just being welcomed back with open arms and patted on the back saying “there there” “we know you made a mistake”.
A snake is a snake and will always act like a snake no matter how kind you are to it.
gravenimage says
The UK should not let these Jihadists back in at all.
Anne Smith says
Couldn’t agree more Graven image and I think nearly everyone in UK feels the same.
A lost generation indeed!!! Perhaps he should visit some of the British War Graves Commissions in Europe if he wants to speak about a lost generation. We lost the cream of our young men fighting for Britain and the row upon row of tragic war graves are truly heart breaking.
I spent the day at the War Graves in Salerno last year, where my uncle is buried. Most were Commandos, their extreme youth and the number of regiments were dreadful. We owe our lives to their heroic sacrifice.
That is our lost generation – not a bunch of imported Pakistani/Syrian scum with nothing but pure hatred for the kindly and too tolerant British.
This man needs exterminating. He is too obviously riddled with Common Purpose ideology to be of any further use to Britain whatsoever.
vyx says
Jihadis will k*ll non-Muslim Brits
The Government will not stop jihadis from k*lling non-Muslim Brits
Therefore… I think it’s logical to assume that the British Government actually WANTS the jihadis to k*ll non-Muslim Brits.
Wow. The UK government has actually aligned with Islam over their tax paying citizens.
Time for the sane to consider leaving, since I’m not sure this can be sorted out in the ballot box.
gravenimage says
I don’t think that abandoning the civilized society of Briton to ravening Muslims–to *surrender* when Muslims are no more than 5% of the population–is the best idea.
Where are Infidels actually going to make a stand?
jewdog says
Why is Britain in NATO? We need to reconfigure that organization to include only sane countries which share our values, such as freedom of speech, and are not drowning in self-deprecation and naivete.
It’s no wonder Turkey is still in NATO when there are so many countries like Britain making the decisions.
Pet Charles says
These can say that because there is no consequence for them. The first returning jihadi that kills anyone on UK soil should result in the guy above being prosecuted for failure to enforce the law and the UK government should be forced to pay hundred of millions of pounds to families of victims. That would set priorities straight.
kessler says
Wow.
These are muslims who made a decision to travel to Syria to join a group dedicated to the destruction and conquest of non-muslim land, opposes all values of freedom held in our society, and revels in death and torture of unbelievers. Whether they are naive or not for joining is beside the point – they declared war on us by doing so, and knew exactly what ideology ISIS adheres to.
Just because they return just not mean they are remotely willing to join our society and abandon their Jihad. If they join a de-radicalization program, they are going to use takiya to drop off the radar.
They will always be a threat and should be treated as such.
People like Max Hill are naive – and/or they have a sinister desire to observe the destruction of our society in which case he is a typical leftie.
MFritz says
Once Britain leaves Brexit they should also leave NATO and give up all of their nuclear and conventional arsenal. You (remaining) Brits sure don’t want it to fall in the hands of radical islamists, do you?
gravenimage says
Who do you suggest they give it up *to*? Places like France and Germany are even worse off.
762x51FMJ says
We raise alligators and they become somewhat tame, Once a neighbor tried to feed a baby gator beef jerky between his teeth and it clamped down and pulling it away he tore his own lips off. , My aunt and uncle were over run by gators escaping the ponds during hurricane Camille they both got eaten alive. These gators, they kill their own young, the weak and elderly gators don’t stand a chance. These gators are just like ISIS warriors they will attack and kill just about anything.
The open borders politicians who live safe and secure in ivory towers loudly proclaim that If they import more peaceful alligator refugees, keep them well fed and pass laws not to offend them, They wont want to eat you,
Ed says
No worse than reintegrating a metastatic tumor.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Surely the UK can afford to lose that part of the generation?
Jayell says
These ‘naive teenagers’ be ‘allowed to reintegrate’? What planet has this moron been on? We’re dealing with alien psychopaths who were never ‘integrated’ in the first place!
I wonder about leftists says
What a laughingstock. The honourable …….. pardon : The Honourable judge with a toupet with fake hair. And those are the ones who decide. And where is he from? Oxford or Harvard. Students should first learn what life is all about. We got lied to in so many things, it is horrific. Where did those fires in California come, where all buildings were destroyed from the inside and trees were burning in side. It was the most sinister thing I watched it last night. It is a kind of war weapon, I have never see. See the video, it was crazy, those were not normal fires, it was very scary a new kind of warfare.
Normally the whole country would be so upset, radio talks and debates would have been there. TV,media, but nothing, nothing in the newspapers. Luckily some people saw the strangeness of it and made pictures.
Houses and buildings were totally burned, but no toilet or bathtub was find a few trees you saw them like a normal tree from the outside, and flaming and burning from the inside and the rest of the trees were not hit at all, and the parking places in front were not touched either. `it was erie and normally not possible. Crazy, but why didn’t anybody ask don’t know about this stuff that or wrote about it?
I would really like to know who did this, it is a new kind of warfare, it has to be, but I am not a militair and don;t know about this stuff, but I would really like to know. Everything gets messier by the day un-till it all will burst.
gravenimage says
Your idea that the California wildfires did not receive any media coverage is quite mistaken.
SV says
850 traitors is hardly a generation. What a twat.
LeftisruiningCanada says
quite
Brian Hunter says
It’s sad to see him wear the wig as some sort of nod to his cultural heritage, all the while enabling those who seek to destroy that heritage.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Why are their countries of origin letting them back in? The fact they went off to fight with IS should be seen as a God send. Revoke their citizenship and let them rot in an Iraqi jail.
Don’t tell me it’s illegal or unconstitutional to revoke citizenship; if the political and legal will is there then it could be implemented in a heart beat.
gravenimage says
UK’s “anti-terror watchdog”: “Naive” returning ISIS jihadis should not be prosecuted
…………………..
I see who is *actually* naive here.
Even those who believe that Islam in general is peaceful know that ISIS is a watchword for utter savagery–and so do Muslims,
Guest says
“Do not justify prosecution…?” Aiding murders, thrives, and rapists does not merit prosecution?
Chris Malan says
Don’t they look just ridiculous in those wigs? Even if it’s tradition, it still looks ridiculous. Perpetuating a tradition that makes one looks ridiculous is just plain stupid.
Fred H says
Unfortunately, Britain cannot recover from its current level of idiocy.
george whyte says
PLATELL’S PEOPLE: It’s madness to let jihadi terrorists come home unless it’s at Her Majesty’s Pleasure
MI5 boss Andrew Parker warned this week that Britain was facing an unprecedented terrorist threat, the worst he had seen in his 34-year career.
Already in 2017, we’ve suffered five attacks with 36 people dead and hundreds injured.
Meanwhile, 20 attacks have been foiled in the past four years, seven of them in just the past four months.
As Parker put it, there is ‘more terrorist activity coming at us, more quickly’ than ever before and our intelligence services face an ‘intense challenge’ trying to keep us safe.
Yet despite this apocalyptic language, the head of our anti-terror watchdog has now declared that, far from facing prosecution, teenage jihadists returning from Iraq and Syria should be welcomed back.
Max Hill QC, independent reviewer of our terrorism laws, says: ‘We should be looking towards integration . . . for those who have travelled out of a sense of naivety, possibly with some brainwashing.’
I’m sorry, but isn’t it Mr Hill who’s suffering from stupefying naivety? Returning jihadists have been trained in terror camps to use bombs and firearms to kill and maim.
Around 400 of the 850 British ISIS terrorists battle-hardened in Iraq and Syria have already returned here. And we can expect more — up to 8,000 are likely to return to Europe after the fall of Raqqa in Syria which ISIS considered its capital city.
The last thing our valiant but overstretched security services need is more jihadists to monitor on the streets.
They already have 500 live investigations under way with 3,000 people suspected of extremist activities and say it’s not a question of if the next attack occurs, but when.
Meanwhile, terrorists’ modus operandi is changing: lone-wolf attacks with cars used as weapons, random knife attacks and bombs built with instructions from the internet — as in the case of the Islamist who slaughtered 22 in the Manchester Arena.
It takes just one of these returning ISIS fanatics to cause misery and carnage.
The risk is simply too high.
They declared war on our country and our Allies. By doing so, they committed treason — a fate once punishable by death.
The only welcome they should receive if they return should be at Her Majesty’s pleasure.
UNCLE VLADDI says
They all went to foreign countries with the express intention of MURDERING INNOCENT OTHER PEOPLE – fellow muslims, even!
That’s enough “mens rea” guilty mind criminal intent right there to jail them forever!
Brenda Romano says
These terrorists should never have been allowed to return to Britain in the 1st place. They have committed crimes against humanity and just like the Nazis’ they should be tried for war crimes.