What Alfred McDonald said was true, but what does the truth matter? It has long been established that in the hierarchy of politically correct causes, Islam trumps gay rights. When AFDI ran ads highlighting the mistreatment of gays in Islamic law, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors issued a resolution condemning not that mistreatment, but our ads. Gay advocates such as Theresa Sparks and Chris Stedman attacked us for daring to call attention to the institutionalized mistreatment of gays under Islamic law.
“Student ‘forced to leave’ university after saying extremist Islamic groups kill LGBTI people,” by Charlie Mathers, GayStarNews, October 2, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Alfred MacDonald left University of Texas at San Antonio after feeling ‘difficult to stay motivated’.
He had made the comments during an out-of-class conversation with another graduate student. They had been discussing the ‘religious leanings of philosophy professors.’
He pointed out that in some Muslim countries, he could be executed for being bisexual.
A few days after the conversation, he was called in for a meeting with Dr Eve Browning. She is the Chair of the Department of Philosophy and Classics at the University of Texas at San Antonio. MacDonald studied here at the time.
This event took place in September 2016 but Alfred MacDonald only went public with it this summer.
Dr Eve Browning said if his behavior continued, he would be referred to the student conduct board. She said they would recommend dismissal.
A university head of department threatened a bisexual student with dismissal after he made a comment regarding LGBTI executions in Islamic countries.
‘There are Muslim countries where I could get executed’MacDonald explained to GSN: ‘I was curious if there would be any bias toward me if I took a religious philosophy course as an atheist.’
The student MacDonald was talking to mentioned she was a Christian while her fiance was Muslim.
MacDonald responded by explaining he didn’t have a ‘high opinion of Islam’ because ‘there are Muslim countries where I could get executed.
‘I mentioned that I didn’t have anything against her fiance personally and that I was strictly talking about the religious beliefs themselves.
‘I took this to mean that she wanted to talk about our personal lives, so I mentioned my fiancee and our leanings and we talked about what restaurants she’s worked at.
‘The conversation very demonstrably started with ideas and shifted to people.
‘Even if it hadn’t, this would still be unjustifiable to discipline at a public university, but I am emphasizing that this is the grounds on which Eve called me in for a disciplinary threat because, as she is the head of a philosophy department, it’s that much more egregious.’
‘Her issue is probably not convenience or efficiency, but concealment’When MacDonald was called into the meeting he had no idea of the severity.
Dr Browning emailed him explaining she wanted to meet with him to ‘discuss some behavioral concerns.’
At the time MacDonald lived an hours drive away from campus.
He explained: ‘At the time I lived 15 miles from the UTSA campus, I was in the process of moving. I was buying a car for school. My commute averaged two hours of driving per day, so before agreeing I asked if she could just email me her concerns as an hour-long meeting was, in fact, asking me to take three hours out of my day.’
Dr Browning insisted the meeting be in person.
MacDonald continued: ‘I reasoned that her issue is probably not convenience or efficiency but concealment of at least some part of what she was going to talk about.’
‘Texas is a one-party consent state’Texas is a one-party consent state, which means private conversations can be recorded as long as the person recording is involved in the conversation. For this reason, MacDonald felt it was in his best interest to record the meeting….
In the meeting, Dr Browning explained she had received multiple complaints about MacDonald’s behavior.
One was that he was turning up late to classes, but he explained that issue had already been dealt with.
Another was regarding offensive comments.
‘It was alleged that you made offensive comments about Islam’Dr Browning said: ‘It was a conversation you had with a couple of other students that you weren’t originally part of. You joined it. The topic of one student being engaged to a Muslim came up, and it was alleged that you made offensive comments about Islam to that student.’
‘The topic of one student being engaged to a Muslim came up. It was alleged that you made offensive comments about Islam to that student.’
In the recording, MacDonald can be heard explaining: ‘I said that I was bothered that I could be killed in ten Muslim countries. I’m bisexual. So they’d definitely do that in the ten countries where I would be — you know.’
He continued to clarify that the comments were not targeted at the fellow student’s fiance, but ‘about the religious practices in those countries.’
Later on in the meeting, he asked Dr Browning what would happen to him if his comments were deemed inappropriate again in future.
She stated: ‘We’d put it either before the behavior intervention team or the student conduct board. And we’d ask them to make a recommendation.’
Dr Browning then went on to clarify they would either refer him for counseling. Or they would recommend that he be academically dismissed.
The threat of dismissal took MacDonald by surprise….
MacDonald waited until he was in good standing at his new university before going public with the audio recording.
He still warns people away from Dr Eve Brownings department.
He explained: ‘For every student who makes her restrictions on thought known, there will be ten or twenty who say nothing and allow her to shape a generation of students unnoticed.’…
Rob says
How do teachers like this still have a job
A.M.D Hanton says
I’m guessing the people hiring them are even bigger schmucks.
mortimer says
Message for Prof. Browning:
True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge, but the refusal to acquire it. – Karl Popper
Under Sharia law, gays may be thrown from a high place, stoned, burned to death, flogged or crushed under a falling wall or a combination of the above.
KRJ says
People on this board should contact the school to fire her, This is an outrage. Punished for speaking the truth. How many others are being punished but it’s unreported.
E C Cargile says
She needs to read the Arabic version of the Koran (translated into English if necessary)…
CalamityBabs says
I agree! How DO they keep their job when their job seems to go from teaching others to suppressing the truth of history!
DeeDee says
Tenure. It should have been abolished a long time ago.
It allows bad teachers to continue to teach.
The Remorseless Headsman says
Typical of the low mentality so prevalent at UTSA. Remember, you can’t spell nUTSAck without UTSA!
Carlos Danger says
Good one!
Crystal says
Truth went down the wrong dirt road in the ’60’s. It nose dived into the Mariana Trench in the mid 70′. They’ve been denying reality, and confusing wrong for right, and right for wrong ever since No surprise there are people like this in positions of influence. Lincoln is supposed to have said once, Ignorance is no obstacle to advancement. Here is an illustration of it.
Santa Voorhees says
They are so ignorant indeed! Also note their “logic”.
A muslim kills in the name of Allah quoting from the Quran = nothing to do with Islam, not all muslims, no to islamophobia, open borders, religion of peace, blame everyone except the perpetrators. Ban trucks, ban knives, ban guns, ban everything except the only thing that should be banned, carry on exactly as before!
White dude shoots and kills people for who knows for what motive = all white people! Gun control laws! Christianity is evil! Carry on exactly as before NOT!
Statues = zero fucks given under Obama, went crazy about them under Trump.
Hurricanes = Trump’s creation to kill minorities (yes, they actually believe that!)
Charles Barkley = white supremacists
Ben Carson = not a black person
The Left is totally fucked up!
Jayell says
The hurricane couldn’t possibly have been Trump’s creation because it wasn’t called ‘Donald’. Well, if we’re all going to be stupid…..
Micky says
I wrote a paper on Ben franklin in college. He said this country (only knew bout the northeast then.) But he said thus country needs a revolution every 50 yrs. Its way over due. Democrats don’t think we don’t need guns for self protection. I tell them my guns allowed me to get home 3 times 20yrs ago. And nevervhad gun taken or didn’t spent a second in jail. None if them ever got home. So I just buy ammo when I can every month.
Santa Voorhees says
Thoseprofessors should really go in those Muslim countries and scream: “I am gay!”
See how that turns out!
mortimer says
GAY EXECUTIONS IN IRAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_zP2pHp3w
Wellington says
Dr. Eve Browning: Another DWD (Dodo With a Doctorate).
Truth is indeed the new hate speech. Major “leaders” in this absurdity are those highly well educated, which tends to prove that no amount of education is a guarantee against foolhardiness. If one lacks common sense, moral intelligence and an inadequate understanding of the importance of freedom, no amount of education will make up for this. Islamic “scholars” aplenty to this very day have testified to this truth uncountable times over the centuries. So does Dr. Eve Browning. Quite the company you can be associated with, madam. Congratulations.
And this woman is the head ( I refuse to use the word “Chair” since referring to humans as inanimate objects hardly advances the human condition) of the philosophy and classics department? How bitterly ironic since her very kind of “thinking” is what insured the death of Socrates. I have no doubt this will be lost on her. Much is.
mgoldberg says
” ‘We’d put it either before the behavior intervention team”….
Why isn’t this professor brought up on charges for her behavior?
I wonder have we gotten so paralyzed that citizens can’t bring up the egregious
totalitarianism, this fascist dept head demonstrated? Have we forgotten that light is indeed the best disinfectant?
Hell, why don’t the citizens of that town, and that man who was so mistreated bring up the dismissal charges against this dunderhead of a professor???
gravenimage says
Yes–very Orwellian.
A.M.D Hanton says
Oy vey, is that another fellow jew I see.
Peter says
Clear facts, evidence, and reason don’t count for much at the University of Texas.
mortimer says
TRUTH-O-PHOBIC ! Dr Eve Browning, PhD in REALITY-O-PHOBIA.
mortimer says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fdrlFyDdgQ
A.M.D Hanton says
I haven’t clicked the video, but is that from Iran? They usually hang victims from scaffholding or cranes in Iran, I have seen a fare share out of the republic.
gravenimage says
What–the gibbet isn’t up to your standards?
Dapto says
So says Dr Eve Goebbels daughter of Joseph Goebbels
Carlos Danger says
Department of Philosophy……
What is truth?
eduardo odraude says
Dr. Eve Browning. Can’t professors like that be punished? I guess it takes a lawsuit. If you want to know how the country would be run by these people, this is an example. Forget due process, forget freedom of speech. If not for the classical liberal traditions in this country, these asinine, morally warped professors would set up an ‘enlightened’ dictatorship that would quickly devour itself.
Bev says
I’m surprised this guy did not find some probono lawyer to file a civil rights case. He has the recorded evidence.
A.M.D Hanton says
That’s what I was thinking, surely the law is on his side and she has been in violation of it. Trump needs to grab somebody by the whatsit.
Stephen Chudej says
Oh God, please……looking at Miss Browning’s picture and thinking of her “whatsit” is sickening..
PRCS says
Would be really interesting to hear what she knows about Islam’s texts and why she believes the student’s statement was wrong.
A.M.D Hanton says
It doesn’t seem to mention her saying anything about the balidity of his claim, she just doesn’t want it to be spoken aloud it seems.
A.M.D Hanton says
Validity*
PRCS says
Therefore, the reason to hear–from the asse’s mouth; so to speak.
eduardo odraude says
I wish the student would publish the tape recording.
PRCS says
Me, too.
eduardo odraude says
Well, not tape recording. I’m a bit dated.
PRCS says
As I was listening to a few 8-tracks this evening, I knew what you meant.
gravenimage says
I think we all knew what you meant. 🙂
ploome says
“…he asked Dr Browning what would happen to him if his comments were deemed inappropriate again in future.
She stated: ‘We’d put it either before the behavior intervention team or the student conduct board. And we’d ask them to make a recommendation.’”
Brave New World….behavioral intervention
wow
b.a. freeman says
actually, it’s not a new world at all; the soviets pioneered it about a century ago. that pesky constitution is still getting in the way of the triumph of the left, but they’re working hard on overcoming it. look at all the lawless practices that mr. obama pioneered in his 2 terms!
gravenimage says
University of Texas at San Antonio: Prof threatens to expel student for saying Islamic countries kill gays
…………………
This is *just appalling*. Everything Alfred MacDonald said was accurate.
Note that he didn’t even say that that this is what Islam calls for–although it does–but just said that some Islamic countries kill Gay people, which is obviously true.
PRCS says
From the article:
“MacDonald responded by explaining he didn’t have a ‘high opinion of Islam’ because ‘there are Muslim countries where I could get executed.
‘I mentioned that I didn’t have anything against her fiance personally and that I was strictly talking about the religious beliefs themselves.
‘I took this to mean that she wanted to talk about our personal lives, so I mentioned my fiancee and our leanings and we talked about what restaurants she’s worked at.”
Rob Crawford says
“The student MacDonald was talking to mentioned she was a Christian while her fiance was Muslim.”
She won’t be Christian for long, and her children will never be Christian.
A.M.D Hanton says
A definate case of invasive out-breeding I am guessing.
aMan says
Search ‘Love Jihad’ that is a term coming from India.
eduardo odraude says
Evidently, the student MacDonald was talking to, who was engaged to the Muslim, felt that her interests were threatened by someone stating a negative opinion about Islam. Now why would she feel that. Why is Islam under any threat in this country? Obviously, because Islam is tremendously threatening. So it provokes a defensive reaction. But even the mere expression of opinion is forbidden, since the situation is so volatile, though it is really Islam that makes it so volatile.
Muhammad affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered
On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad:
But all the slaughtering daily around the world by Muslims killing in the name of Islam is not even the worst part. It’s the agenda behind the slaughter: to kill free speech and establish the sharia ethos over everyone. And this case is an example. The professor would not get away with this, I think, or not so easily, if people were not afraid of what some Muslim might do to people who stand up against Islamic totalitarianism.
PRCS says
Muslims in America (think CAIR) are good tap dancers.
Example from their Islamophobia.com site re: Ayan Hirsi Ali:
“According to [Hirsi Ali’s] AHA Foundation website, the organization fights “the continued oppression of women and girls in the US committed in the name of religion and culture”. CAIR wholeheartedly condemns any disparity of equal protection of rights, wherever and whenever it occurs.”
Note that–as good Muslims–they’re not citing Islam’s ‘divinely’ mandated “disparity of equal protection of rights” in that feigned condemnation, and, as far as I know they’ve never been asked to condemn it in Muslim nations. Indeed, to do so would surely be blasphemous.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Rob.
le mouron rouge says
Rob Crawford says
October 5, 2017 at 8:30 pm
“The student MacDonald was talking to mentioned she was a Christian while her fiance was Muslim. She won’t be Christian for long, and her children will never be Christian.”
************************************************************************************************
I doubt the student is a Bible believing Christian. In all probability this student was born into a family that was Christian vs Hindi\u, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, etc.
2 Corinthians 6:14
“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?”
le mouron rouge says
***** Correction *****
I doubt the student is a Bible believing Christian. In all probability this student was born into a family that “identifies” as Christian vs Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, etc.
gravenimage says
There are lots of naive Christians, I’m afraid.
balafama says
hurt feelings trump the right to life as per the leftist professor
A.M.D Hanton says
Surely she could be fired for this, no? I am not familiar with the US education laws but this must go against the constitution on the right to free speech, or am I mistaken?
b.a. freeman says
if the school is private, it can make its own rules. throwing somebody out of an organization is not a violation of his rights, so they are free to throw him out without cause (unless it violates a contract, in which case it’s a state issue, not a federal one). if the school is public, OTOH, the laws of the state of texas might need to be consulted. in either case, however, the left is doing its best to cast the constitution as a platform document, with the same authority held by the documents written by political parties every 4 years during presidential elections (i.e., no authority whatsoever). fortunately for freedom lovers in the u.s., the supreme court has gained a justice who upholds “original intent,” meaning that he treats the constitution and laws as meaning what they say, not what some leftist “interprets” it to mean in light of his own prejudices. besides that victory, however, things are looking pretty grim. i don’t think it will be very long before a leftist or islamic dictatorship is imposed on us.
Larry Bates says
All Federal funds received by the University of Texas, San Antonio, should be withheld until this professor is fired. Otherwise this fascistic intolerance of truth and reason will never end.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Eve A. Browning, Ph.D.
Chair, Department of Philosophy and Classics; Professor
Department of Philosophy and Classics
Email: eve.browning@utsa.edu
Dear professor Browning, before you can love wisdom you must love the truth. I believe you’ve forgotten which department you are head of.
b.a. freeman says
Flavius, she doesn’t care what U think; since U are taking mr. macdonald’s side, she believes U to be a member of the stinking masses, who are too stupid to be entrusted with their own care, and need order imposed on them by Those Who Know.
MFritz says
The sad thing is, the moment the islamists actually take over the likes of her would be the first to go. They won’t put her in a hijab and let her teach because she was useful to their cause. And I’m also VERY sure that 99% of ANY philosophy she (still) teaches at UTSA doesn’t bode well against the “word of Allah”.
Guest says
She’s the one who should leave not him
Henner720 says
fire her immidiately.the fight is far to dire to let cowards decide anything.in universities facts has to be discussed.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… Dr Eve Browning said if his behavior continued, he would be referred to the student conduct board. She said they would recommend dismissal…”
Dr Browning and her ilk are bullies whose mentality belongs in the early Bolshevik era in Russia or the Brownshirt dominated late 1920’s in Germany. Her nasty, jaundiced behaviour serves to back up the viciousness displayed daily by myopic zealot students on campuses throughout the world – people who seemingly have lost the ability to listen and chew over the opinions of others.
Today I learned of the suicide of a higher degree liberal arts student tormented by this type of treatment, a young man I knew personally, and one who could never allow himself to be swayed by the herd mentality that has gripped the campus community. This type of nastiness has real and lasting consequences.
Shmooviyet ttc says
So saddened by the tragedy you’ve described. That one is driven to such desolation by these monstrous, mindless bullies –in a place where he was meant to feel encouraged to speak his mind, let alone the Truth– is unconscionable.
There was a time when college was looked forward to as an adult center of education; an escape from the years of school savagery so many endured to graduate. Now the professors enjoy their part in the abuse.
That despicable liar should be nowhere near the futures of those students who won’t toe her PC line.
Shmooviyet says
7:04 reply posted by Shmooviyet, not “Shmooviyet ttc”… (?)
Matthieu Baudin says
Thanks.
Max says
A standard reaction.For example the “service civique” of the “ministéré d’education nationale” had a webpage “aide aux victims de racism et antisemitisme”, if today you try to report racism as in “islamophobia” you get redirected to another page.If you insist searching for help after antisemitic attack (I mean with physical damage, not some sulking about a stupid joke or things like getting fired because you are “le petit juif”) you get the message: “Desolée, settee mission nest plus disponible.N’hesitez pas à candidate à d’autres missions “(sorry, we don’t help there, but if you want to complain about another kind of incident, please submit without hesitation”.The reason behind stopping any report of antisemitism is “ne pas instrumentalist l’antisemitisme” (don’t instrumentalist antisemitism, by reporting it).Big difference though is, that the consistoire juif (jewish community council of france) has nothing to do with those new decisions active since the presidency of Macron.I know that there exist somewhere french christians that don’t like jews.But all attacks I endured since I live in france have been explicitly by people of islamic faith, french european white muslims (mostly converts), french muslims whose parents or grandparents immigrated (which are mostly white regarding the color spectrum, somehow don’t count white, as soon as they insist on a minority status, the unprivileged that need financial support, because a few generations ago somebody immigrated (like the billionaire Lafayette).By the way, I’m a jewish immigrant with german passport.I was informed in 2016 that I get deported if I don’t apply for a visa (carte de sejour), which ends in 2021.As germany also doesn’t want me (“wir sind nicht zuständig” – ‘that’s not our responsibility’ was the answer of german officials of all ministries and regional officials “wir sind keine Rechtsberatung” was the answer of the SOLVIT {an EU body, that officially says it intervenes if european treaties or laws are not hold, and I sent my questions with citation of which european, french and german laws have been broken}), ok back to the fact that germany doesn’t want me, I will be without any state in 2021.I got sent into hospital with broken bones, fired for being jewish, spit on, called names (but I had to start laughing when I was called in German language “Hitlerjude”), doctors refused treatment (“to avoid ‘amalgam'{mix-up of prejudices} against Islam).And I got sued three times by an Muslim attacker for surviving (formulated differently) and was called into court.But as far as “feminists” or “gays for Islam” it doesn’t come (contrary to JVL, ADL or the leftists in Israel).
Charles Brown says
http://www.dictionary.com/
phobia
[foh-bee-uh]
Spell Syllables
• Synonyms
• Examples
• Word Origin
noun
1.
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.
Islamophobia
/ˌɪzlɑːməˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
1.
hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture
So a phobia is an irrational fear and Islamophobia would be an irrational fear of Islam.
In fact, a fear of Islam is NOT irrational because the intent of Islam is to rule the world and install sharia law which demands you become part of this religion.
Is it irrational to fear something that is true and real?
James Stamulis says
Trump and congress need to defund all liberal universities and colleges.
REYUM says
I wonder if the UTSA law school teaches Freedom of Speech? Probably not. If this ‘Chair’ teaches that freedom of speech is against the schools’ rules then how can their Law School teach the law? As in what is in the Constitution of the U.S.. Or is it, UTSA, way of thought control? Or is it ‘my way or no way’, or if you do not like what I say then hit the road? Maybe going to UTSA is like going to Hitlers’ brain washing education system. Or is it just another manifestation of the way of education in the U.S.? As in don’t think for yourself just think how we (the education system) tells you how to think. This ‘Chair’ has a good way of putting into practice …”I am the professor and the chair, therefore what I say is law, like it or not”….
So the rest of the students at UTSA kiss up and like sheep just follow along and get the full leftist thinking put into their heads.
b.a. freeman says
well, i don’t think they’re all sheep. keep in mind that today’s students have been brought up in leftist-controlled institutions since early childhood (when brainwashing works best); thus, they are at least nominally leftist, because they have been taught little else. and even if they manage to escape the leftist thought traps, they still want to earn a living, so they keep their mouths shut (or parrot back the leftist nonsense) so they can get that piece of paper.
bouboulina says
Her defectively illogical thought processes & frowzy appearance bespeak your typical leftist-lib on some sort of happy med pharmaceutical. Almost impossible to get a decent higher education in this country with this sort of mass infiltration.
fbijihadidefender says
It seems that the gay people still want to stick with leftiest. Allah Bless you all.
gravenimage says
This student clearly does not. Why would you say this?
Bill says
Perpetual outrage from the right wing whackos
b.a. freeman says
golly, thanks for the insult. it would be more helpful if U could provide some pointers to my mistakes.
but i forget myself; the left doesn’t argue, it name-calls, or riots when that doesn’t work. i love your brown shirt!
Horseman says
Folks like Browning must live under a rock. Doesn’t she watch the news? Doesn’t she understands what the Mullahs are preaching? People like Browning are just plain ridiculous.
b.a. freeman says
of course she watches the news! there isn’t anything on the news about the evils of islam, and she probably doesn’t speak arabic, so she is not responding irrationally in that regard. my guess is that she’s actually pretty smart; most hard-core leftists are. she is on the side that is successfully using lawfare and brownshirt tactics to take down the republic; unless we open the eyes of more people to her kind of tactics, she will be on the winning side.
Nunya Bidness says
The scary part of this situation that there must be organized informants on campuses. Why would someone report a private conversation to the university unless they knew the university was interested in hearing such things? Prof Browning is not concerned whether gays are executed in Islamic countries, she is only interested whether someone is talking about it. The offense is talking about Islam, period, because any statement about it could be construed as negative, ironic, defamatory, etc. if the goal is to squelch speech about a specific topic – that is, the encroachment of Islam into daily life. This leads to the thought that the Academy generally has been intentionally subverted to become an indoctrination institution. This in itself is not new. What is new is the Stasi-like atmosphere that is spreading.
b.a. freeman says
U are correct. the left in general has advanced its evil agenda greatly in the past 20 years; it looks to me like they’re winning, and they no doubt sense that victory is within their reach, given attitudes and responses like those of this university nazi.
CalamityBabs says
This ^dr^ Eve Browning is a moron and obvious libtard! What student McDonald stated about islamic countries is TRUE! It instructs them to do so to homos in their Koran! I’ve seen pictures of these crimes because the muslim murderers take videos burning people alive, beheadings and throwing off of rooftops of homosexuals. This teacher Browning should be fired for teaching lies and withholding the truth!
It also says ^It pleases allah to kill the infidel.^ But anyone would know that IF they read the koran (its in the library of most cities in the USA )
Mark says
Iran kills gays.. ..currently Egypt is rounding up and killing gays
Douglas Gray says
In Saudi Arabia, Ahmad-al-Shamri has been sentenced to death for renouncing Islam in favor of atheism. Despite this, when Dawkins, THE GOD DELUSION was translated into Arabic and put up on the Internet, there were 10 million downloads, with about 3 million being in Saudi Arabia. For everyone that downloaded it, you can be sure there were many others who were interested in reading, but didn’t do so out of fear. Millions of Muslims think that they are stuck in a bad religion, and want out. This is so obvious, yet people are paying tens of thousands of dollars in tuition to send their kids to a school where this lady teaches.