“Recent events have forced the United States Government to reassess the commitment of the Government of Turkey to the security of US Mission facilities and personnel.”
This is a welcome initial recognition of the fact that Turkey is dismantling Kemalism, and is rapidly re-Islamizing. Only the terminally naive and blinkered, and those who know nothing about the jihad ideology, still hold to the idea that it is an ally of the U.S. in any meaningful sense.
“US suspends all non-immigrant visa services in Turkey,” Hürriyet Daily News, October 8, 2017:
The U.S. Embassy in Ankara on Oct. 8 announced that it had suspended all non-immigrant visa services at its diplomatic facilities in Turkey.
“Recent events have forced the United States Government to reassess the commitment of the Government of Turkey to the security of US Mission facilities and personnel. In order to minimize the number of visitors to our Embassy and Consulates while this assessment proceeds, effective immediately we have suspended all non-immigrant visa services at all U.S. diplomatic facilities in Turkey,” the Embassy said in a statement issued on its Twitter account….
Non-immigrant visas are issued to all those travelling to the U.S. for tourism, medical treatment, business, temporary work or study. Visa services are only those seeking to live in the US permanently.
Guest says
This is the best news I have heard all day
Sons of Liberty says
Amen ! Erdogan is starting to act like one of the Young Turks of old.
mortimer says
SoL, that’s well said. The people of Turkey have been conditioned recently to harken to the siren call of past empire. Turkish national-supremacism combines the scorching kerosene of jihadism with the nitroglycerine of Turk racism to create one of the most toxic and vicious and unpredictable mixture that is Turkish Islam. Once Turkey becomes a one-party state, anything can happen.
Aaron says
Actually, the “Young Turks” were the ones who originally brought Constitutional government to Turkey. So if anything he is acting like a new Caliph of the Islamic State and not like one of the “young Turks”.
gravenimage says
This is true–although the “Young Turks” also continued the Armenian Genocide, as would Attaturk himself.
mummymovie says
TurdOwan has been working against the US, our interests, and our allies at a feverish pace for a long time.
This is long overdue.
mummymovie says
He is an open supporter of the global jihad and the hijra- threatening time after time again to continue flooding Europe with more migrant horses from the Middle East and the Southern Hemisphere, if he doesn’t get exactly what he demands form the EU exactly when he demands it; not to mention that he is an avid supporter of IS.
mummymovie says
Hordes, not horses.
LOL
Regardless, this is music to my ears, tough I’m a little afraid of his response in terms of EU border security.
Mockingjay says
Migrant horses – like arabians…?
– !
gravenimage says
I’m fine with the horses–the Muslims, not so much…
Laura says
though not ‘tough.’
J_not_a says
Er-dog is a nutcase, he couldn’t keep up his ‘normal” mask forever.
Georg says
Just another Muslim leader showing the world what it is we have to fear in Islam. And Turkey was always held up as the “moderate”, even “Western”, iteration of Islam. The horse is out of the barn on that lie. It seems with Islam it isn’t so much an issue of moderate versus fundamentalist/extremist [more truthfully: orthodox] but rather dormant versus active. Indonesia is another example which was similarly touted but now even a passive observer can see a dark trajectory of Islamic illiberalism and malaise in ascension.
johan elzinga says
Long overdue, but finally. Erdogan is a treacharous snake. His government is now prosecuting the two chief officers of the Turkey office of Amnesty International, for no other reason than being vocal about human rights, they may face 15 years of imprisonment for that. All good people are going to jail in Turkey at this moment, and in the Netherlands, all those Turks ( turds from now on) are supporting this bloody Erdogan, 70 percent are still on his side.
aw says
Praying for Pastor Andrew Brunson, rotting in a Turkish prison for 365 days now…. A US citizen!
gravenimage says
Thank you for mentioning this case, aw:
“It’s been a year, and NC pastor is still imprisoned in Turkey”
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article177903311.html
Trump should be pushing for this good man’s release.
R Russell says
Remember a few months ago Erdogan said Sunnis and Shias should put their differences behind them and work together towards their shared goals. Erdogan’s ‘terror’ is not the same as ours.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3539139/Erdogan-hosts-Istanbul-summit-quest-Islamic-unity.html
Bible prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes.
balafama says
can’t understand muslims in the west they cry about freedom, democracy and persecution in the west, but support all the brutality of islam and leaders like erdogan in islamic countries.
gravenimage says
Muslims will use our freedoms in order to spread Islam, when they will destroy freedom. This is what it is all about.
Wellington says
It just so happens that I live in a municipality where there are more than a few Turkish immigrants. Some of these are delivery men for various Italian or other cuisine places nearby. I have engaged in conversations numerous times with these Turkish delivery men (I order out a lot, especially when my dear wife is away because, while I like to eat, I don’t like to cook) about what is going on in Turkey. All of them despise Erdogan. All of them admire Ataturk. All are chagrined at what Erdogan is doing to their nation. I have concluded that’s why they’re here in America.
D Austin says
Ataturk was like George Washington to the Turks when I was there in the US Air Force. Every town had an Ataturk Park and every shop and business had his picture on the wall. This must be like the Marxist Democrats in America pulling down our monuments for the Turks to be turned against Ataturk.
Wellington says
An apt comparison, though I would add that Washington functioned in a far more enlightened world than did Ataturk, that is to say the Western world versus the Islamic world.
From what I have been able to gather from various sources (including those Turkish delivery men I mentioned), Turkey right now is pretty much 50/50 on whether to continue with the secularization of Islam, a la Ataturk, or the Isalmicization of said country, a la Erdogan. It is a nation in deep flux and because it is an important nation (i.e., it still remains in NATO, and because of its geographical position, and because of its relative economic strength, because too of its possibly flooding Europe with even many more Turks, etc.), it is so crucial at this time in history for the West, and especially America, to “get” Turkey right.
For my money, and I have no doubt here, Erdogan is deep bad news for the West, for freedom, for virtually anything good (as usual, wherever Islam waxes, the West wanes). Wish he could be “taken out,” but the Turkish military, once a strong entity, has lost its balls and this does not bode well for Turkey, for Europe, for the West, for freedom. Right now, Erdogan, nefarious man that he is, has the upper hand. Damn shame.
Georg says
Have a German friend who mentioned the Turks in Germany, at least in the town he’s from, Wolfsburg, as being a woeful menace. They are different from many modern Muslim migrants in that they are financially ambitious, but with a similar heinous attitude toward the Germans who took them in (for what was supposed to be a temporary stay). They are not interested in assimilation — in fact act with contempt toward ethnic Germans — and show great allegiance to Turkey. Switzerland has a similar problem with Bosnians who live there for decades and don’t show even the faintest interest in learning the local language.
As for Erdogan, I’ve spoken with a Cypriot who said there are rumors many are being executed related to the purges. I remember seeing a documentary on Turkey where they were asking Turks what they think Westerners feel about them and there were all these self-pitying and mopey responses basically stating, “They hate us.” No. We didn’t do anything. You all did. It’s the 21st century, so act like it. And if you’d prefer the 7th century the onus of how “we” feel about “you” is your choice and our feeling about it a logical and involuntary response (not a choice).
gravenimage says
Wellington, I *hope* that is why all of those Turks are in America. I fear that having so many of these Muslims in the US still presents a threat to us, though.
Robert says
One thing I really do not like about Trump is he gave millions to Saudi Arabia.
Don’t forget Who was responsible for 9-11.
Pet Charles says
As I read through the comments, I am led to reinforce my claims that all of this is happening because Europe is perhaps the most warlike continent in history. No continent that likes peace would allow millions of Islamic people inside its borders given that it has been at war with Islam for hundreds of years. This, despite repeated terrorist attacks against its citizenry. A peaceful nation would have responded like Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, etc. The UK and France have repeatedly formed alliance to stop Russia from crushing Turkey. If they are concerned about being flooded by migrants they could do like Hungary and build borders fence and enforce their borders with shot to kill orders for anyone that tries to cross after being ordered not to. That’s what they did when East Germany was separated from West Germany.
Wellington says
I think you’re confusing “warlike” with “suicidal.” Every continent (minus Antarctica) has been warlike and then some through the centuries and millennia (I mean really, do you actually believe Europe has been more warlike than a continent like Asia?).
The problem is suicidal stupidity, not bellicose inclinations. And such suicidal stupidity is due to something unique to the West, i.e., those twin idiocies of political correctness and multiculturalism. American Indian societies, both before and after Columbus, were never guilty of these, nor any Asian nation, nor sub-Saharan African societies, et al. Nope, only the West here pioneered these dual deficiencies which I believe is primarily due to the very fact that the West created the freest and most affluent civilization in history which then forgot why it did and thereafter went suicidally sappy.
Guy Forester says
The colonial era Europeans were constantly coming up with these political schemes to try to stay on top of the poop piles. Alliances of conveniences. This backfired with WWI and WW2 costing the lives of millions of their best young men and destroying the economies and empires they had erected.
So then they turned to their poverty stricken Muslim neighbors for workers, primarily men, to fill the factories and do jobs that needed to be done. Now the folly of their own avarice and short-sighted political schemes has come to fruition. Unfortunately, the politicians continue to turn a blind eye to the destruction of their culture and nations for short term financial and political gains.
The ones that should stand up and throw these blind guides out are asleep in Flanders Fields, the Verdun Ossuary, and similar sites strewn across Europe. The deaths of these valiant men, the civilians caught in the crossfire, the ravages of Hitler and Stalin, and the death of their Civilization all fall and the heads of the so called leaders and politicians that made these past and present blunders.
gravenimage says
Most Muslims don’t work.
Guy Forester says
Just another blunder by the self-serving politicos.
gravenimage says
The idea that being warlike means you would allow millions of military-aged males who adhere to a creed that wants to kill us all is an odd one.
Guest says
Well well – Wasn’t it the US pushing hard for years for Turkey to be in the E.U., and wasn’t it recently we read that the “E.U. has reopened talks to admit Turkey”? Went there a few years ago and except for a few streets in the Beyoglu district even supposedly “westernized” (i.e. chain stores) Istanbul was (surely worse now) ISLAMIST.
gravenimage says
It was Obama who was pushing for Turkey to be admitted to the EU.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The moment the museum of Hagia Sophia is proclaimed a mosque is the moment that General Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s experiment to make a Mohammadin country into a modern secular country can be considered a complete failure. From that point on Turkey can be considered a caliphate.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-turkey-hagia-sophia-20170615-story.html
MFritz says
Will happen. Erdogan wants to keep his religious voter base happy. No matter the cost.
gravenimage says
Grimly, Erdogan has already rolled back much of Attaturk’s muzzling of Islam.
Baucent says
Turkey and Pakistan; two double faced, double gamers who Trump and the US should cut loose. Instead of Turkey, the US should recognize Kurdistan as a nation (as Israel has) and shift the US Airforce base to Irbil. At the same time establish a defence relationship with India and not Pakistan.
That would nicely infuriate the enemies of the West.
Guy Forester says
US Recognizing and supporting Kurdistan will be as easy as it was for England and France to support Poland in 1939. No one was ready or able to invade Germany in 1939. We currently depend upon a Shia run Iraq and Nuevo Caliphate Turkey for bases. We would need to force the Bosporus and control the Black Sea, or operate via the Suez Canal the Persian Gulf. Russia is backing Persia (Shia caliphate) and now Turkey (Sunni caliphate). I recommend we stay out and let them fight each other as they have been for thousands of years.
mortimer says
THIS IS SERIOUSLY DESTABILIZING. Turkey is becoming a loose cannon. Western democracies have to develop PROTOCOLS for ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING of Muslims right out of Islam.
Western intelligence agencies are the only ones that can accomplish this goal of deprogramming Muslims out of Islam in the six major languages used most Muslims. This is an enormous scholarly undertaking that must be begun NOW and perfected to be highly effective. The goal should be to reduce the number of believing Muslims by 50% by the year 2050. Once half of Muslims are deprogrammed the deprogrammed Muslims will deprogram the others and Islam will collapse from lack of interest.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
Western democracies have to develop PROTOCOLS for ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING of Muslims right out of Islam…
………………………….
I see you have thought this program though in every way–even supplying a time line.
Everything, of course, except how it would work.
I know you have hinted before that it would rely on reason–but Muslims *reject* reason, as well as the “filthy Infidels”.
Yet you–somehow–believe that after 1400 years of Islam that we can “deprogram” half of Muslims in 33 years. Why?
Aussie Infidel says
Mortimer, You have mentioned before the need for deprogramming, and it would be great if it could be accomplished. Have any such protocols or methodologies been developed and how effective are they?
We are talking about a person’s religious beliefs – the results of a lifetime of indoctrination with a supernatural world view, and continual reinforcement by mosque, family, and communal pressures. Also, Islam’s commands for violence against infidels, which appeal to the aggressive, psychopathic end of the population distribution, would be a major challenge. We might be able to convince the majority ‘normal’ (read moderate) Muslims that Allah didn’t mean they literally had to “kill them wherever you find them”; that Paradise doesn’t really mean a perpetual ‘brothel in the sky’ for jihadists; and we could all be friends and live happily ever after. But how do we convince the fanatics and psychopaths – the small minority who follow that mythical ‘perverted version of the faith’ – who do the killing, but have no remorse for their actions?
I wouldn’t say the task would be impossible, but it wouldn’t be easy either. I have some experience in counselling and hypnotherapy, and understand how difficult it is to change deeply held beliefs and habits.
Who would conduct the deprogramming? State officials, a private organization, or some other religious group? What would they understand about Islam and particularly its doctrine of Jihad? Would deprogramming from Islam also include reprogramming for Christianity or any other religion – ie would it simply be proselytizing, or would the ‘victim’ be encouraged to ‘think for himself’ and choose his own future?
Can you give us any more information on this proposal?
John Forbes says
This GUY is now a real threat ! He is trying to BOTH DISMANTLE SECULAR TURKEY & Create an ISLAMIC STATE like the OTTOMAN EMPIRE !
Potentially VERY DANGEROUS !
Mitch says
This is smart policy that could protect the US against her fifth-column enemies, to: Unlike travel bans, federal judges can’t easily reverse this one. (Right? Any lawyers weigh in?)
I hope it’s a test run that will be expanded to other countries.
Mitch says
“Too”
UNCLE VLADDI says
Good!
Now kick them out of NATO and FREE KOSOVO from the Hitler/Clinton Plan!
gravenimage says
US suspends all non-immigrant visa services in Turkey
………………….
Well, this is good news.
Though of course, immigration from Dar-al-Islam is the biggest threat.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Hmmm … seems my last comment got punked again. Weird.
TEST TEST TEST!
😉
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://www.rt.com/news/406190-turkey-us-partnership-problems/
K says
Is Turkey preparing its exit from NATO as well? Wonderful!