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Video: Robert Spencer responds to Toronto Star piece claiming imam didn’t call for killing of Jews

Oct 24, 2017 10:54 am By Robert Spencer

An imam in Toronto recently called for the killing of Jews; the Toronto Star followed up with an extraordinary lengthy piece claiming he didn’t really say it, or didn’t mean it, or both, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a right-wing “Islamophobe.” My full response is here.

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Filed Under: Featured, Islamic antisemitism, journalistic bias, Muslim clerics, Robert Spencer Tagged With: Ayman Elkasrawy, Toronto Star


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  1. Georg says

    Oct 24, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    Great appearance. This brings up the depressing cycle of counterjihadists finding themselves arguing that the grass is green or sky blue. The arguments of The Sun and the imam are childish, yet “If a lie is told enough times…” This is the crap, sorry to use the word but it’s quite fitting, we are up against.

    The guy is an imam not a janitor. He knows very well how to speak. A cursory look at his behavior and choice of lifestyle also shows him plainly to be an Islamist. Would Ms. Yang deny this? And he has memorized the Koran, so not only does he know how to speak, but he knows perfectly the Koran and cannot reasonably be excused as an idiot. How nice that the Yangs of the world will not only not do anything about the dangers Islam presents, but will fight us tooth and nail in addressing the problems they are too cowardly to face.

    • PRCS says

      Oct 24, 2017 at 2:44 pm

      “problems they are too cowardly to face”

      Hoping the crocodile will eat them last.

  2. mortimer says

    Oct 24, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    Does the Star writer understand the DOCTRINE OF TAQIYYA?

    There are SIX DIFFERENT WAYS of deception that are permissible in Islam: 1) taqiyya, 2) kitman, 3) tawriya, 4) taysir, 5) darura, 6) muruna

    •Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda’rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam.
    •Kitman: deceit by omission.
    •Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.
    •Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia).
    •Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something “Haram” or forbidden).
    •Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia to make Muslim migrants appear “moderate.”

  3. mortimer says

    Oct 24, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    SOLICITING GENOCIDE in the Criminal Code of Canada = FIVE YEARS IN JAIL

    Section 318: Hate Propaganda

    (1) Every one who ADVOCATES or PROMOTES GENOCIDE is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to IMPRISONMENT for a term not exceeding FIVE YEARS.

    Definition of “genocide”
    (2) In this section, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,

    (a) killing members of the group; or

    (b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.

    Consent (3) No proceeding for an offence under this section shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.

    Definition of “identifiable group”
    (4) In this section, “identifiable group” means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

    • Del says

      Oct 25, 2017 at 11:34 am

      Perfect. Of course Judy Wilson-Raybould, the Justice minister, repeatedly and deliberately ignores Canadian Laws and the Criminal Code of Canada, particularly when it comes Sections 318 and 319 regarding hate literature. Read those Sections and you will see that the Koran clearly meets the definition of hate literature. Every single copy of that literature must be destroyed and those that use and distribute it must be prosecuted.

      The Liberals deliberately ignore it and also have to face charges.

  4. eduardo odraude says

    Oct 24, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    When telling the truth will not achieve a goal, lying is obligatory if for Islam the goal is obligatory, and lying is permissible when the goal in Islam is permissible, says Reliance of the Traveller, the popular manual of Islamic law.

    This is not surprising, when one considers that Islam is an expansionist authoritarian political system as much as a religious belief. War and politics seem to demand a lot of lying as a means to achieve power, hence Islam is deeply mixed up with deception and lying to non-Muslims.

    This is a large factor in the left’s falling for Islam. Muslims don’t need a special CIA or military force to teach lying. The culture itself through the Qur’an and Hadith and Sira teach deceptiveness about Islam — this is not to say, of course, that all Muslims are liars. But the religious ones do tend to lie to non-Muslims, and because this kind of Muslim has religious support from “Allah”, they can lie very skillfully — the usual obstacle of conscience that makes people bad liars is quieted in religious Muslims by Allah. And this is made even worse by the fact that under authoritarian, undemocratic social systems, lying in many ways can become a sheer necessity for survival. Since such systems are not open and often not merit-based, corruption tends to be everywhere, and participation in that becomes to an extent unavoidable. Corruption and lying thus become to some extent habituated and ingrained and automatic. Remember the old saw about communism: “you pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.” Authoritarian systems are based on a lie, and to maintain it, lying must ramify throughout the system.

    • Georg says

      Oct 24, 2017 at 3:54 pm

      A good embodiment of the duplicity in Islam/Muslims is Tariq Ramadan (presently accused of rape). His choice of words, topics, and overall tenor would change quite dramatically depending on whether he was speaking to an audience of non-Muslims or Muslims.

      Here is Asim Qureshi, a member of “CAGE” which is an Islamist/Salafist front-group in Britain masquerading (poorly) as a human rights/Muslim rights group. He has infamously stated that “Jihadi John” aka Muhammed Emwazy “is a beautiful man”. Notice the difference in tenor depending on his audience:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0n-08I3P8s

      • mortimer says

        Oct 24, 2017 at 10:03 pm

        Georg, thank you for this very rousing speech for violent jihad by the two-faced Asim Qureshi. His comment is crystal clear in meaning: “We embrace the martyrs…We know it is incumbent on all of us to support the jihad…”

        This is a perfect example of TAQIYYA.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 25, 2017 at 7:58 pm

        Yes–most “moderate Muslims” prove to be anything but.

  5. mortimer says

    Oct 24, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    DOES “DANAS” MEAN “FILTH”? Scholar says YES. And the punishment is ‘degradation, humiliation and despicableness’.

    “Narratives of Tampering in the Earliest Commentaries on the Quran” by Gordon Nickel

    “Tabari …specifies the sin of the Jews and hypocrites as their denial (juhud) of the prophethood of Muhammad. Further, “Those whose hearts Allah desired not to purify,” are polluted by the filth (danas) of unbelief and the stain (wasakh) of shirk.” For such people, writes the exegete, God desires only degradation (khizy) in this world–“that is humiliation (dhull) and dispicableness (hawan)” — and in the world to come the eternal chastisement of hell.’

    • Georg says

      Oct 24, 2017 at 6:39 pm

      Robert and you have presented a pile of evidence elucidating the meaning of “danas”. And anyway, we shouldn’t be so concerned with this diversion when it’s *the call to kill Jews* which is of issue. How somebody can exhort that publicly and not be immediately summoned, fined, and shut down is unthinkable and a mark of true shame.

      • mortimer says

        Oct 24, 2017 at 9:19 pm

        Agree, Georg. This prayer is TRANSPARENTLY a call for genocide and ethnic cleansing. My research into the etymology and scholarly interpretation of this key word (danas=filth) and the prayer have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the prayer is understood as a call to fight Jews to the death (q-t-l Arabic=fight to the death).

        The entire prayer provides its own context of genocidal ideation… KILL THEM EVERY ONE and SPARE NOT ONE. Hitler would have loved it.

        • Georg says

          Oct 25, 2017 at 1:41 am

          It really is Hitlerian speech, right in downtown Toronto in 2017.

  6. PRCS says

    Oct 24, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    As always, in these “caught on video” situations:

    Note the weenies standing behind the cleric: as none of them challenged him, they obviously don’t think he’s making a mistake.

    As an aside (which will likely never happen)–did the Red Star ask any of those pious Muslims if that prayer is accurate?

  7. DRHazard says

    Oct 24, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    If you follow the implications of the Toronto Star’s article then the only logical conclusion one can reach about Muslims is that most of them, especially the imams and terrorists (but also most average Muslims) are ignorant of their own religion. It get’s worse; it implies that even if they speak Arabic and have studied Islam enough to preach it’s doctrines they will ALWAYS be wrong if they dare to agree with what has been taught for centuries and that even Muhammad himself didn’t understand Islam. That’s why quoting the Quran or Hadith is now a crime in Canada, unless you’re a Muslim.

    Islam is the world’s largest terrorist organization and all you have to do to know that is to study it. But self appointed Muslim apologists will do everything they can to prevent anyone from revealing that fact. really don’t care anymore about what motivates them to do this. They are accomplices to murder.

    • Goutam says

      Oct 24, 2017 at 7:15 pm

      Islam is not a religion, it never was. It has nothing to do with God, it never had. It is a totalitarian, repressive military doctrine that has been cleverly camouflaged as a religion by the greatest conman who ever walked on this planet.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 25, 2017 at 8:14 pm

        Islam is a religion–it is just an evil and false religion.

    • mortimer says

      Oct 24, 2017 at 10:07 pm

      The conclusion of the Star, namely that this mullah who had memorized the Koran was UNINFORMED is LUDICROUS.

      There is no question that he understood the GENOCIDAL MEANING OF THE PRAYER PERFECTLY.

      He thought he would not be caught under Canada’s GENOCIDE LAW in the Canadian Criminal Code.

      He was very naïve about the LAW, but not about Islam. His area of expertise is ISLAM, JEW HATRED IN THE KORAN and the DUTY of JIHAD.

      He is feigning naivety.

  8. Dapto says

    Oct 24, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    And Justin celebrates every time they do as he’s a revert

    • mortimer says

      Oct 24, 2017 at 10:10 pm

      Please provide evidence that Justin is a convert to Islam and not just an opportunist. He is transparently an opportunist.

      I don’t think he has a clue about Islam any more than he has a clue about the chemistry of advanced nuclear fuel cycles.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 25, 2017 at 8:18 pm

      I think Trudeau is just a dhimmi.

  9. John says

    Oct 25, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    The Toronto Star is a real piece of work.
    It regularly conflates religion and race.
    It needs to be read to see how useless and bad it is.

  10. Politicianphobia says

    Oct 25, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    I think Justine is a dumb @$$ and an insufferable, liar.

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