“Right-wing extremists”? Or…?
https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/914734060332769280
LISTEN TO THIS! I’m so scared for everyone on the #LasVegas Strip… ⬇️ https://t.co/5tH9NQCK3o
— James Wagner (@WebflowWagner) October 2, 2017
https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/914740383711682561
Dan Bilzerian, running from shooter at concert near Mandalay Bay resort “a girl just got shot in the f*cking head.” https://t.co/mGWDLAOOTV
— Legendary (@Legendary_GK) October 2, 2017
“Mass shooting at music festival on the Las Vegas strip,” by Chris Perez, New York Post, October 2, 2017:
A gunman opened fire during a country music festival in Las Vegas on Sunday night — shooting multiple people with a high-powered assault rifle before fleeing the scene, according to reports.
At least 24 people were shot, including two fatally, according to Reuters.
Las Vegas police responded to the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino at around 10 p.m. after receiving calls about an active shooter targeting concertgoers at the Route 91 country music fest.
About an hour later police confirmed at least one suspect is down.
“This is an active investigation,” they added.
Cops were urging people to avoid the area as SWAT teams searched for the gunman.
Witnesses reported seeing a police officer down, but authorities couldn’t immediately confirm this.
University Medical Center spokeswoman Danita Cohen said the local hospital had taken in “several” people with gunshot wounds. She didn’t offer any more details.
One Las Vegas hospital reported treating at least 20 victims with gunshot wounds, according to KABC.
Professional poker player and Instagram star Dan Bilzerian, who was at the concert, said on his IG story that he saw the shooting unfold and witnessed a girl getting shot right in front of him.
“Holy f–k this girl just got shot in the f–king head,” Bilzerian said. “So f–king crazy…So I had to go grab a gun, I’m f–king heading back…Some kind of mass shooting…Guy had a heavy caliber weapon for sure…Saw a girl f–king get shot in the face right next to me, her brains f–king hanging out.”
Another witness, who spoke to News3LV, recalled how “bullets were flying everywhere” and concertgoers were running….
kessler says
How on earth do you get past security check with a high-powered assault rifle? Or was this an open event?
kessler says
Edit: ok – just read it’s likely to have come from 20th floor of Mandalay Bay
Dum Spiro says
Stephen C. Paddock. Likely http://www.whitepages.com/address/1372-Babbling-Brook-Ct/Mesquite-NV
Possibly antifa. Maybe the SPLC will begin to think of listing antifa as a hate group now…
— Spero
mgoldberg says
If it’s a ‘right wing’ guy, they’ll howl about the motives, the hatreds and how it’s spread by president unowho and white bigots. If’s it’s antifa they’ll be circumspect and confused about what it means, and still promulgated by pres. unowho. If it’s a jihadist, it’s be absolutely confused as to his motives and due to psychotic breakdown………….
WPM says
Bingo MSM play book to a T !
gravenimage says
ISIS has claimed responsibility.
Ted Tyler says
If you hear hoof beats, think horses – not Zebras. (But then, sometimes it is a Zebra)
James says
More details here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/02/las-vegas-strip-shooting-multiple-casualties-reported-near-mandalay/
matthew shenton says
splc may be connected with the las vegas shooting
Malka says
He was shooting from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay. I suppose he could have brought the guns in via suitcases?
Aron says
No matter what atrocity or horror- it will be the same –
1.Not clear if this is Jihad or by Muslims- why he dunnit?
2.We must not let this madmen’s action to cause fear of backlash to our muslims.
3. Candle light vigils, Celebrity blaberings, endorsement of murder of their daughters by parents- ” we pray for the bastard who killed her for his Allah”
We are living in a very very mad world- and the Islamists arent that mad as the elite who keeps this show going on and on…
Santa Voorhees says
When it comes to the US I’d be careful to jump directly on the islamic terror conclusion. Thousands of people die each year for firearms, and I don’t think they’re all related to islamic terror.
However, yeah, we live in a mad world indeed. Elites are just clueless about jihad and Islam.
LB says
It’s true that many people in the US die from firearms, but 99% of those are either gang violence, robbery that went downhill, accidents, or hate crimes (murders out of passion). Firing off automatic rifles into a crowd of random innocent people is almost exclusively muslim terrorists’ M.O. because they just want to kill as many non-muslims as possible.
ElderlyZionist says
I agree with Santa. Sometimes it’s Muslims. Sometimes it’s batshit crazy white boys like Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, NJ) and James Holmes (Aurora, Colorado Cinemark). Don’t panic. Return fire, if possible.
Robert says
ElderlyZionist — ‘Sometimes it’s Muslims. Sometimes it’s batsh*t crazy white boys…’ And lots of times it’s gang members and other criminals.
You make it sound as though folks with white skin are prone to shooting people, as if there’s an intrinsic link between the white skin pigment and gun violence. Why not learn the laws of logic, the rules of reasoning, the identity of logical fallacies, and other helpful tools to improve the intellect and bring clarity to thinking? Also, it’s helpful to get a good grasp on the rules of evidence, the role of facts, and other stuff that support reasonable discourse.
LR says
…”You make it sound as though folks with white skin are prone to shooting people.”…
No, he just mentioned those bat-shit crazy ‘white boys’ like Adam Lanza…Which is true…
carol says
I just happened upon a Stefan Molyneux video that describes a bit more about this man AND his psychopathic, bank-robbing father who was on the FBI Wanted list years ago. I haven’t watched it all but check out around 1:20:
What Pisses Me Off About The Las Vegas Shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2T-HXCLb94
LR says
I like what he says here….That has been my mantra for decades…Love and protect the children…They are the future…And yes, get them off those video games and running outside more…
Budvarakbar says
You left out all the gun control mantras and Sarah Palin
duh swami says
Jihad? Maybe maybe not, but it certainly smells like it…
James says
Let’s see:
1. It was at a music event. Music is haram.
2. Civilians were the casualties. All kaffirs and apostates are fair game for Islam.
3. The Manchester concert was an event of the same kind. The resulting massacre was the work of jihadis.
4. The police are looking for a woman believed to be Asian.
It is of course perfectly possible that the murderer was non-Muslim, who committed this atrocity for his own, Islam-unrelated reasons. The USA has suffered many such crimes.
But it is equally possible, for a number of reasons well-known on this board, that a jihadi did this.
It is also possible that a non-Muslim adopted a jihadi m.o. in order to inflame animosity against Muslims.
More Ham Ed says
A live video report feed for anyone who’s up late cooking bacon, pork chops, pork rinds, sausage, smoked ham or bratwurst (it won’t be the same topic much after 10/02/2017 as they switch to something else during the day probably).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pvJpY70nBc
steveA55 says
Latest: 50+ dead 200 injured!!
GRACE NGUGI says
Being at outdoor events in the 21st century is a real risk, and now requires not just courage, but 100% awareness, plus if you are not fit enough to run 100 meters dash for three minutes, forget it!
LR says
“Being at outdoor events in the 21st century is a real risk, and now requires not just courage, but 100% awareness, plus if you are not fit enough to run 100 meters dash for three minutes, forget it!”
A new motivation to stay in shape…”Crisis Exercise Training”…Join our program so you can confidently run like hell when the next terrorist, or nut case goes berserk…
Michael Copeland says
Some pop festivals have been cancelled in Sweden.
The young cannot go to swimming pools safely.
Synagogues have armed guards.
Dogs are being poisoned, their owners made targets of stone-throwing.
Fire crews and ambulance crews are attacked in the no-go zones the media deny exist.
Celebrate diversity! It is vibrant.
James says
Get more dogs.
R Russell says
Since it is well known that the religion of peace in Iran kills dogs with concentrated acid injected into their body cavities, it may be necessary to have our dogs euthanased to save them from such a torturous death.
James says
Get in plenty of wolves, then ? OTOH, dogs have the advantage of being haram. Maybe wild boar – which used to be plentiful in Germany – would fit the bill.
carol says
Still up to their old formulas are they? Annie Cyrus recently described how the original Persians (Zoroastrians) loved their dogs and so invading Muslims would be sure to torture them in front of their eyes.
LR says
Well, just to be a bit ‘fair’…Some Asians are even worse than Muslims when it comes to torturing/killing dogs…
Sarah says
Oh yeah, so Dan Bilzerian records himself stating that after running away, he’s heading back in with a gun. Save me from arrogant yahoos.
Who knows at this point, as to the motivations of the shooter. I’ve read that it was a male/female team and that it was a lone shooter – and that a Hispanic girl, with her Hispanic boyfriend was acting oddly, screaming at people that they’re going to die as she and the boyfriend rushed out of there about 15 mins or so before it all went down.
Its mass confusion right now, that’s the problem. The easiest way to determine the motivation of who did this will be based on the response of the Police. If they clamp down on information for as long as possible – dollars to donuts its Islamic. If its a so-called ‘right wing extremist’, watch them rush to present the info as fast as possible. If its something else, they won’t delay in getting the info out there. Just as long as its not a Muslim, that’ll be the only reason for them to try and delay announcing it.
I feel terrible for those caught up in this. 30,000 odd people just getting together to listen to some music,for Pete’s sake- and some utter loser with a gun has to do this. I don’t know how this mass shooting culture in America can be stopped; but something has to change here.
And fuck Dan Bilzerian the total twerp, for making that ridiculous statement. Meanwhile, while he’s boasting about getting his hands on a gun and charging back in to take down the shooter – I note that he ran from injured people without a moment’s hesitation, making sure to record himself and put it on social media. Pathetic.
MasQueNada says
One hundred percent in agreement with everything you just said.
LR says
Yes…He sounds like an A #1 jerk.
Ade Fegan says
Something must be done
Nothing will be done
Except to hound those who oppose it
David M says
This is bad, more than 20 dead, more than 100 injured.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/las-vegas-shooting-reports-of-active-shooter-at-mandalay-bay-casino-20171002-gysvbi.html
kessler says
Marilou Danley, the companion of the shooter, is “described by police as a 4’11” Asian woman”.
Do you use “asian” to describe muslims in the US? They do that here in the UK
JawsV says
No, “Asian” is not used as a smokescreen to describe Muslims in the U.S.
TL says
Flaws, provide evidence, please.
Now, if it can be shown that “Asian” has been used by any British publication to describe a Muslim in America, then we would have evidence which contradicts your idle denial. And why wouldn’t a British publication use “Asian” to describe, for a British readership, a Muslim criminal in the USA? They need to be consistently obscure for the obscurantism to remain effective.
JawsV says
I don’t have an “idle denial” you moron. You have the idle denial. No, Muslims aren’t called “Asian” in America. Only in Britain. Flaws. You’re flawed. Take your flaws and shove it.
nicu says
I hate when they are called Asian ! I am half japanese – we are NOT like ARABS 🙁
It’s the same shite in Germany ewhen they call them Southeners .
Indonesia — the biggest Muslim country !
Islam must be destroyed and keep out of our countries !
Baucent says
Has all the hallmarks of a Jihad attack. Remember the crumbling caliphate IS leader calling on “resistance” a week ago. The attack on a concert is a common target seen both in Europe and Britain in the last year. Concerts represent Western decadence and are a soft target.
Be very interesting when the shooter’s name is released and what his Facebook account might reveal. Hopefully Robert will be in there quickly for screen images before it is closed down.
Smells like “Radical Islamic Terrorism”, if proven hopefully Trump will call it as such.
Budvarakbar says
Probably has a Confederate Battle Flag planted on his site!
kessler says
Judging by the companion of the shooter, I think this could be racially motivated.
A gathering of “white supremacists/Trump supporters” being taught a lesson by a victim of “racist America”
TL says
Your hypothesis is entirely plausible.
gravenimage says
Paddock is white.
John W. says
I’ll be surprised if Stephen Paddock turns out to be 64 year old jihad terrorist.
Santa Voorhees says
Indeed. The problem is that leftists just assume that “muslim” is the opposite of “white”, so for them you are either muslim or white.
And that’s a very stupid assumption to make. In reality one can be muslim regardless if he/she is white, black, yellow or purple.
The fact that leftists can’t get this simple concept is quite depressing.
Islam_Macht_Frei says
Although this is a massive news event, not sure why it is being posted here at JW….way too soon to know the motive, and if it is not Islam-related, then, again, why the post here?
utis says
Although the odds are not tiny that some other variety of nut did this, honestly, who do you think of first for murdering people having fun?
WPM says
True I think Robert Spencer should have waited ,I think it could have been any number of groups at this point. More then likely it was Islamics doing what Islamics do ,but waiting 24 hours {for more info} to make the call on this website would have been a better call. If it another group Robert could lose some creditability ,I would not want to see that happen.
TL says
Who other than blacks, leftists, or Muslims would open fire on a “COUNTRY music festival”??
JawsV says
A white psychopath like Charles Whitman at UT Austin (1966)?
TL says
UT Austin was having a country music festival?
JawsV says
You’re being deliberately dense.
carol says
Some truth there, but we all tend to be steered by the first things we hear. If what Robert heard turned out to be accurate he’d be criticized for not being on top of it from the start.
Ted Tyler says
This mass murder event should be posted on Jihad Watch because the event fits perfectly into the lone-wolf Islamic Jihad narrative. So if the attack was NOT motivated by Islam, then we need to know that. It is important to get to the truth of the matter – whatever that may be.
Linde Barrera says
May the murdered rest in peace with Jesus. + May the injured recover quickly.
And thank you to all who commented here and provided links. I always learn from JihadWatch.org and its astute readers.
Ted Tyler says
If I were a believer in an afterlife (and I am not), I would not hope that the murderer NOT rest in peace with Jesus. Rather, I would hope that he burn in the fires of Hell forever. Sorry, but there are some crimes for which there is no forgiveness.
Ted Tyler says
Sorry, delete one of the “nots”
R Russell says
I wonder if the US is doing what happens in the UK. When a jihadi is a convert and thus has 2 names, the press ALWAYS identifies the jihadi with his British name so as to obscure the reason for the massacre.
abad says
Any of the witnesses hear that monstrous screech of “Allahu Akhbar” from the gunman?
BTW it is doubtful it was a right-wing extremist.
Usually Moslems attack at music festivals since Islam strictly forbids listening to music.
Just ask Yusuf Islam (formerly known as Cat Stevens).
peter says
if it quacks like a duck and walk likes a duck ,then it is a duck!
peter says
If it quacks like a duck and walk likes a duck ,then it is a duck!
Lookmann says
Male , White ,64 and his female asian accomplice named by police.
But that strip of Vegas appeared in an IS video and Police alerted after that.
So suspicion of IS cannot be suppressed.
Joe says
The sound from that gun wasn’t an ordinary assault rifle. For sure, it was full auto, and it wasn’t jamming. The shooters had probably practiced this.
Arch Kennedy says
His companion that he lives with is from Indonesia a predominantly muslim country. Any connection?
Donald Yee says
His name suggests a white male. He lives in a retirement home. It is possible he got sick of the concert noises over the years and just lost it.
LR says
Yes…He sounds like an A #1 jerk.
Begonejihadi says
It is a bad news.
Krazy Kafir says
Daily Fail is reporting his girlfriend is Indonesian.
“She is believed to be an Australian citizen of Indonesian heritage and was described by police as his room mate or companion.”
Carolyne says
Indonesia is a majority Muslim country. She was visiting Dubai, a Muslim country. It’s beginning to be clear
Japetto Donatelli says
The islamic religion loves and glorifies this kind of senseless murder and hate. So even if the shooter isn’t a jihadist I still put much of the blame on the climate of fear and hate muslims create with their religion and terrorist actions. Violence begets violence, and nobody brings more violence to the west than the muslims who live for a violent and hateful creed. Their religion is rife with incitement and their inhospitiable enclaves breeds fear and hateful distrust. And the terrorism muslims do only feeds the psychosis that every society already has. Muslims are normalizing mass murder and violence in our midst and we all know how violence is contageous. So even if this killer wasn’t a jihadist we can’t overlook the immense contribution muslims make to this worsening climate of hate and fear. And I’m not just talking sh*t here, I really mean this. Muslims aren’t on the side of those trying to stop this kind of hate and murder because they do next to nothing to mitigate the bad effect their hateful religion has. They don’t seem like our friends, these muslims, they seem more like really bad guests with a penchant for demonic ideas and bigoted hate. And the consequence is too often like this mass murder in Vegas where good people are snuffed out like target practice.
The so-called “peaceful” muslims of the world need to do more to prevent the murder and hateful intolerance their own religion causes. Or they only encourage the kind of violence we have here. They need to stop being afraid of us, and start being afraid of their own bad religion that’s causing all this social disharmony and murder.
Budvarakbar says
“They need to stop being afraid of us, ”
Where in the world did you ever come up with that BS?
Japetto Donatelli says
“They need to stop being afraid of us, ”
Where in the world did you ever come up with that BS?
———————
What the hell? we’re constantly hearing how muslims are afraid of a backlash every time one of their people kills us. It’s just an islamophobic ruse, a red herring to excuse their own culpability. So what I’m saying is, they need to stop that fake BS of being afraid of us and start being afraid of their own violent religion. Don’t know why I’m having to explain this, must be the way I worded it.
carol says
Most of us (hopefully) have little hope of fathoming the Muslim psyche but I suspect there’s no clamor for true reform because what’s left once the hateful framework is relegated to the dung heap? The Emperor would have no clothes and that would expose them to outright ridicule.
No, it must be much better to remain a puzzle like Allah and to be greatly feared.
Dec Uman says
Lot of dissemination of disinformation.
Cops say it was a Stephen Paddock.
Others say it was a Muhammad al-Jazeera
Who knows??
Cunamarra says
Some long bursts of fire I’m hearing in some of these videos. One thing I have noticed about the demographic that was attacked. Country Music fans tend to be a pro-American patriotic bunch and these videos show people reacting to the situation, rendering first aid, making field expedient litters, turning their pickups into ambulances, not panicking and becoming victims waiting for someone to come help them.
TL says
Let’s curb our enthusiasm for country music fans until they do something ambitious like drive the SPLC out of the south and pursue its shifty, money–grubbing people no matter where on Earth they try to hide. Yes, that, and publicly burn the Confederate rag again and again until it’s clear that the neither the rag nor the Jewish religion it calls to mind will be tolerated anywhere, esp. in the South. But this, too, they will not do.
JawsV says
You’re nuts, TL.
Cunamarra says
By your comment I infer that by country music fans you mean to say “curb our enthusiasm for pro-American patriotic people.” Is that too much of a stretch?
gravenimage says
Is anyone surprised that avowed Fascist TL is ranting about the Jews here?
Didymus says
There is no such animal in Islam as a “lone wolf.” Each Islamist has a “financier” and a “facilitator” which may or may not include the family and Mosque. The term “lone wolf” is a deliberately misleading concept. It attempts to plant in the unsuspecting mind the seed that it was merely a renegade Muslim and not Islam proper.
Japetto Donatelli says
That’s an important point that bears repeating. These individual terror attacks are all part of the same bloody jigsaw puzzle called islam. It’s profoundly disingenuous to pretend these terror attacks are separate from the ideology that motivates them. But that’s what the leftist appeasers do, they pretend that what’s true ain’t true and what’s real ain’t real. And for certain that cowardliness and complicity will be the cause of more death and terror. How can these people sleep at night?
LR says
Initial news reports are often wrong…We shall wait and see what the facts are…If they even all come out…
gravenimage says
Videos: Mass shooting at music festival on the Las Vegas strip
………………..
*Horrible*.
UNCLE VLADDI says
All the evidence now points to him being a typical leftopath who recently converted to islam.
Undaunted says
If you’re ever in a situation like this – highly-elevated shooter – if you can see where the shots are coming from, run toward the shooter. This will close the distance and in doing so, create such a sharp downward angle for him to shoot at you that he’ll pick another target that’s easier to hit … like thousands of people crawling on the ground in the open.
Why if he’s firing for effect for around 20 minutes would anyone think that getting on the ground was a good idea? Then all he has to do is traverse that weapon back and forth, raise the muzzle a bit now and then and shoot till he’s out of ammo.
Run!