A hardline imam says Muslims shouldn’t celebrate Christmas or even be associated with the festive season.
So much for the encouragement of integration and assimilation. There is one reason why Muslims who discourage integration remain in the West. It’s for the purpose of spreading dawah and the Sharia. Sheikh Zainadine Johnson was a former rock band member who converted to Islam, and now he “advocates Sharia law, says participating in the customs of other religions is against Allah.”
He also told his followers:
You have to reject them and not only do you have to reject it but you have to disassociate yourself from it.
Nice attitude of tolerance and pluralism from Johnson! Yet many diversity gurus in the West continue to demonize those who call out this intolerance and supremacism as “Islamophobic” and “racist.”
Last year, the so-called “moderate” Hume Islamic Youth Centre in Melbourne was found linked to a Christmas jihad terror plot.
“‘Stay away from it. Don’t be a part of it’: Hardline imam says Australian Muslims can’t celebrate CHRISTMAS because it’s against the teachings of Allah”, by Stephen Johnson, UK Daily Mail, November 2, 2017:
A hardline imam says Muslims shouldn’t celebrate Christmas or even be associated with the festive season.
Sheikh Zainadine Johnson, a former band member who now advocates Sharia law, says participating in the customs of other religions is against Allah.
‘We have to reject them all except Allah,’ he said in an October sermon.
Sheikh Johnson told his followers at Logan, south of Brisbane, being part of the celebration of another religion undermined the Islamic concept of Tawheed, the Arabic term for oneness with Allah.
‘You have to reject them and not only do you have to reject it but you have to disassociate yourself from it,’ he said.
‘Disassociate yourself from what they’re worshiping.
‘This is why we can’t celebrate Christmas. Stay away from it…..
LeftisruiningCanada says
Only like the Jehovah’s Witnesses…….but then, they aren’t trying to take over by moving millions of other Jehovah’s Witnesses into our lands, nor are they often to be found killing “Opposer’s” in the streets….
Frank Cicero says
Most imams are not educated as you can see from all the stories posted . They are aware that that the name Christ means the one who saves which is written in their koran.
gravenimage says
Frank, Muslims do not consider the appalling “Jesus” a savior–instead, his role is to slaughter Christians in the last days.
Benedict says
“A hardline imam says Muslims shouldn’t celebrate Christmas or even be associated with the festive season.” –
And when Muslims constitute a democratic majority, they will impose their religion on the rest of society in gratitude of the tolerance they themselves enjoyed while being a minority.
Islam is religion as politics and politics as religion.
Muslim 2017 says
Benedict, this generally happens in every society. If the collective consciousness of the people is either Christianity, Islam, Communism then the outlook of the society will reflect this, it’s common sense.
John Marks says
Choose carefully.
ScottM says
Yes, choose very carefully.
Benedict says
Where I live Christianity is not imposed on anyone and it would also be against the spirit and the words of the gospel to do so. In communism and Islam the end justifies the means. In Christianity the means sanctifies the end – the means and the end is one and the same thing.
gravenimage says
Muslim 2017 wrote:
Benedict, this generally happens in every society. If the collective consciousness of the people is either Christianity, Islam, Communism then the outlook of the society will reflect this, it’s common sense.
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What crap. Western nations have freedom of religion–no Muslim-majority nation does.
Non-Muslims are persecuted in every Muslim country–the idea that it is the same with religious minorities in civilized nations is utterly false.
Joe says
This is not true. Christians do not impose, but Muslims and communists do. The USA has had minority groups who don’t celebrate Christmas.
For example, Jews do not celebrate Christmas, and they do celebrate their own feasts. Jews allow their own to become Christian and vice-versa.
Christmas is about love and generosity which Muslims and Communists preach against. Those people see generosity as a weakness.
Muslims and Communists need everyone to abide by the same rigid rules. Independent thought it not allowed, and so Muslim and Communist countries are poor. Even China is extremely poor for a country that has favorable exchange rates. If you give those exchange rates to a country that allows freedom of thought, that country would far exceed China.
ronyvo says
Benedict: One cannot generalize, especially in religion. In religion, it is easy to determine the ‘expected’ behavior of the followers.
The holy Bible teaches extreme LOVE to the point of “Love you enemy”.
The Koran teaches extreme hate and violence.
That said, if a Christian commit a hateful act it is a sin Our Lord will punish him/her in this life the life to come.
On the other hand, if a Muslim kills non-Muslim he will be rewarded with 72 virgins waiting for him in paradise!
Martyrs in Christianity is when a Christian is killed for his believe in Christ.
Martyrs in Islam is when a Muslim kills non-Muslim and is killed in the process.
I can prove easily the above by citing verses from the Holy Gospel; and surahs from the satanic Koran.
gravenimage says
Yes–compare and contrast.
IanB says
That’s exactly why the UK needs to recognise this threat from Islam and:
(1) close its borders to mohammedans;
(2) expel all illegal immigrant mohammedans without recourse to legal appeal;
(3) intern indefinitely suspected terrorists;
(4) reintroduce the death penalty for terrorist offences;
(5) investigate all mosques for jihad activity and close then destroy all mosques where such is found and where “radical” imams have preached;
(6) ban face coverings in public except safety helmets;
(7) ban the Koran as a book of hatred towards non-mohammedans;
(8) stop the sale of specifically halal products;
(9) prosecute all those found to be involved in FGM;
(10) stop child benefit for more than two children;
(11) investigate the work potential of all mohammedans on benefits AND
ABOVE ALL
(12) stop pandering to mohammedan demands.
That would be a start in preventing the horror you propose.
tim gallagher says
I agree with all those policies that you list, IanB. And every non-Muslim nation should wake up and implement all of those policies. We need to put an end to the MUslim invasion of our countries. It’s caused so much trouble. But these tough policies that you list towards the mohammedans we’ve unfortunately already let into our countries is definitely the right way to treat this enemy, and may even make some of them feel so unwelcome that they bugger off back to their mohammedan lands. That would be a great thing. Of course, it would be so much better if they weren’t there in the first place. Too late for that though.
StacyGirl says
Free, open societies can be multicultural. For hundreds of years, there was no desire to mark the rituals of oppressive, violent extremists. Until now. And the cult of death will be bolstered by the godless leftists. Then no holidays but the bloodletting rituals of Islam will be allowed.
gravenimage says
True, StacyGirl.
MFritz says
Now is the time to make a stand against these people and their demands. Now or never.
Carolyne says
Yes, and he is off my Christmas list.
gravenimage says
OK–*that* is hilarious! 🙂
utis says
From rock band to imam — still an attention-hog. Anyway, but gee! — I thought muslims loved and revered Jesus [pause for prolonged hysterical laughter]. Can’t they celebrate Isa’s birthday? Which brings up another question: do they celebrate birthdays, or like Mother’s Day, is it just another kufr custom to be spat upon and ignored?
P.S. Google-Images “Every day is mother’s day in Islam.” Remember that every time you read about a muslim’s atrocity on a muslima with children (I haven’t forgotten that African mother of 8 stoned by al-Shabab),
Muslim 2017 says
Utis, yes we love Jesus peace be upon him. In our love for all of the prophets is to follow them in their methodology of worship, not by innovating things they never did. I ask, could you point to us one scriptural reference where Isa peace be upon him celebrated Christmas or his birthday. Thank you.
utis says
Muslim 2017,
I’m an atheist. I know the history of Christmas in the West. I celebrate it as a western tradition. Your question does bring up a question of my own. Exactly where do muslims get their information about Isa? Do they read the New Testament or some other document? Inquisitive people like myself as well as believing Christians would like to know how precisely the knowledge of Jesus matches the islamic knowledge of Isa. For example, did Isa raise the dead? Did Isa preach the Sermon on the Mount? Did Isa say, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
Voytek Gagalka says
If you “love” Him, then why you twisted his name? In Koran He is called “Isa,” not Jesus. Why? I tell you why: because Isa has NOTHING to do with Jesus. Isa is an ISLAMIC prophet (a stolen concept, I would say), not the Son (as part of the Holy Trinity) which is FUNDAMENTAL in Christianity. Do not mix two of them. Maybe the Pope Francis is ignorant about the difference and that’s why he was duped by the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar. We are not.
katherine says
Not just Francis but the whole bunch of popes and cardinals since Vatican-2 and its resultant Revisionism in Christian doctrine.
Catechism 841 is the most hideous case of Equivalence : whereby Islam is elevated to the rank of an Abrahamic faith to be almost on par with Christianity. This is indeed a fundamentalist subversion of the biblical teachings, and its effect is to practically enforce the legitimacy of Muslim beliefs and practices on the Christian world – the clergy as well as the commoner.
Pope Francis is just blindly following the duplicity and vague insinuation about Islamic benevolence and holiness, while the cautionary warnings of earlier popes and Saints can go to hell.
Note that C841 in itself does not sanctify Islamic Doctrine or Practices – however its wording exposes the lie that is FUNDAMENTALLY a religion of peace, which is exactly the line the Vatican is towing.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You assume a certain idea of what is permissible, namely that whatever is not commanded is forbidden.
On the other hand, Christians, having been given great freedom in Christ, are usually to be found endorsing the alternative idea: That whatever is not forbidden is allowed.
From our perspective you would have to show that honoring the birth of Christ the Savior, and of course, God in the flesh, is sinful and therefore forbidden.
gravenimage says
The hideously dishonest Muslim 2017 wrote:
Utis, yes we love Jesus peace be upon him.
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The appalling “Isa” has *nothing* to do with the Jesus of the Gospels. It is not just that he is not the Savior–he is not a healer or a peacemaker, either.
The main role of the Muslim “Jesus” is to “kill the pigs and break the cross” in the Last Days–to remove the small, uncertain place where Christians are allowed to practice their faith.
Christians then must convert to Islam. If they do not, “Isa” butchers them.
So–the main role of “Jesus” in Islam is to *kill Christians*.
More:
In our love for all of the prophets is to follow them in their methodology of worship, not by innovating things they never did.
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Well, of course they do–and this is why Muslims rob, rape, and slaughter on the model of their “Prophet” Muhammed, the perfect man of Islam.
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I ask, could you point to us one scriptural reference where Isa peace be upon him celebrated Christmas or his birthday. Thank you.
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Seems the only “innovation” Muslims have no problem with is weaponry to slaughter the Infidels with.
Celebrating Christmas or even eating Falafel? Those are “innovations”–“Bi’da”–that Muslims are happy to murder over.
But using Uzis or IEDs or suicide bombs to carry out those murders? *That* seems to be perfectly Halal…
Muslim 2017 says
Thanks for all the rantings yet haven’t produced one scriptural evidence to support the “Christmas tradition.”
If a people claim to follow Jesus peace be upon him, why indulge in a practice that Jesus (p) had absolutely nothing to do with? Why follow a tradition that has nothing to do with him?
As for the Islamophobic statements, they do not deserve an answer as they are off topic. The hate you consume in your souls will continue to eat you up.
gravenimage says
The appalling Muslim 2017 is claiming that citing Islamic scripture is “off topic” and “Islamophobic”.
He is also claiming that our not wanting to be raped and slaughtered by Muslims is “hate”.
So–raping and murder is not hate, but opposing it *is*–Islam in a nutshell.
As for celebrating Christmas, Christians and other civilized Infidels hove no trouble with innocent and benignant “innovations”.
We do not believe–unlike Muslims–that we may attempt nothing that has not been done by the brutal “Prophet”.
This is why the civilized world is so much more advanced than is Dar-al-Islam.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Unfortunately Muslim2017 is ignoring the fact that his whole question of scriptural support for Christ celebrating Christmas, or commanding others to do so, is irrelevant.
As i have seen in many recorded debates, when they don’t like something or it goes against the little they know, muslims generally pretend they didn’t hear what was said.
ronyvo says
Muslim2017: Does celebrating Christmas ‘tradition’ bothers you that much!! Why, I wonder? Tell me how about celebrating the birth of Mohammad (moolid el naby), which is celebrated in the Islamic countries, this is one thing Muslims are shying to bring to the western public as yet, like shariha, halal, women covers…!!! All these Islamic ‘traditions’ to force Islam on us. Everything in Islam is BY FORCE.
As I keep saying ISLAM IS ON LIFE SUPPORT. It lasted that long time, because it was contained in the ME, the west had no idea about the viciousness of this system. NOW, it is different. It was exposed after 9/11. But, how long do you think that westerners would take all these killing, bombing…..
I ask you much more serious questions. Are you aware that Islam teaches the immaculate birth of Jesus, that He raised the dead, that He is the Son OF God, that he performs miracles? Mohammad realized that if he continues that way he would be a Christian, SO he opposed Jesus’ crucifixion in a very strange way. He Mohammad said that Jesus was not crucified, but his followers IMAGINED it!!! Weak, very weak but could not get out of this in other way.
Hey, why don’t you read the Gospel and come to Jesus. I promise you one thing you will have peace that you have never felt before in your life. Try it. We do not have punishable apostate.
Muslim 2017 says
Christmas is paganism – The idea that God was born on the 25th of December is contrary to belief in monotheism, a contradiction of a perfect God.
ronyvo says
I lost you. What is your point?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Muslim2017 is again showing his ignorance of Christian belief.
gravenimage says
Muslim 2017 wrote:
Christmas is paganism – The idea that God was born on the 25th of December is contrary to belief in monotheism, a contradiction of a perfect God.
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This is mainstream Islam–the idea that believing that Jesus is God is “contrary to monotheism”. Of course, Muslims understand nothing about the Trinity.
But so what? Lots of people fail to understand the fine points of other faiths–in many cases, they actually get them entirely wrong.
The problem with pious Muslims, of course, is that they are happy to murder those they consider anything other than perfectly monotheistic–in other words, all Infidels.
Michael Copeland says
to utis,
Yes, muslims celebrate Mohammed’s birthday. In the UK they do so with loud processions through towns playing amplified speech. It is all part of social cohesion, don’t you know.
Michael Copeland says
brief video from Nelson, Lancs, UK:
https://archive.org/details/youtube-WIaknMSvT44
gravenimage says
Celebrating the birthday of Muhammed is a mixed bag–it is celebrated in some Muslim areas, but violently rejected as Haram in others.
But we have already seen how Christmas is treated in much of the Muslim world, with bombings of Churches and murder of people dressed in Santa Clause costumes:
“Tajikistan: Muslims shouting ‘infidel’ murder Santa Claus”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/tajikistan-muslims-shouting-infidel-murder-santa-claus
Muslim 2017 says
To bomb a people because they celebrate Christmas is WRONG! If an Imam is encourage Muslims to stay away from something which goes against Islamic teachings there is nothing wrong with this.
The topic above, the Imam did not call for violence against others who are celebrating Christmas, he is admonishing Muslims and we have the right to not believe or celebrate Christmas. I don’t as a Muslim.
ronyvo says
Yes grave, I vouch for that. In Egypt it is way of life. Muslims are FULL of hate. The Copts are extremely peaceful people. Despite all the horrible atrocities committed by Muslims against them, they did not ever raise a hand against a Muslim. However, this did not help to soften the extreme hate in the Muslims’ hearts planted by Mohammad in the evil Koran. It is about time to declare Islam is NOT a religion, because it is not.
After 9/11 I called on the UN, in a form of a petition, to take the initiative to do that. Of course, I had no hope for that to happen, especially how corrupt this expensive body is.
I just thought that it an idea people to thin k about in due course.
As I keep saying, Islam is on life support after 9/11. It is taking a long time, but it will happen.
gravenimage says
Muslim 2017 is pretending that pious Muslims don’t murder Christians for their beliefs–but he is fine with ranting that Christians are “pagan”, knowing that Islam demands the slaughter of pagans.
gravenimage says
Yes, ronyvo–the Copts and other Christians in Dar-al-Islam are violently persecuted. This happens in *every* Muslim-majority country.
Christians are facing full genocide in places like Pakistan and Iraq.
ronyvo says
Thank you Michael for this info. I did not know that Muslims celebrates Mohammad’s birthday out side of the Islamic countries. Well, here we go, they are coming with full force to invade our countries. But, again, who is to be blamed? THE WESTERNERS, the people those who I blame and hold responsible for all the crimes committed by Muslims in our countries.
ronyvo says
Thanks utis and Nelson for the information and videos. It is extremely disturbing of what is happening in England. Now, I think that could bee very well happening in other western countries.
From Nelson’s reply:
” A plane was also seen flying over Pendle, with a banner saying ‘We Love Muhammad-Mercy To All Mankind’.”
CAN YOU BELIEVE that?! “Mercy to all mankind!!!!! They are so full of it. But, they depend greatly on the extreme ignorance of the host country, which is beyond imagination. In England which was one of the top educated and sophisticated!!!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Does their understanding of the word ‘Mankind’ include non-believers?
Vic, the says
But of course, they cant celebrate Christmas. And they shouldn’t. As long as they believe in their supremacist hate-cult directed at destroying everything that we love and hold dear, there will never be any assimilation or even intelligent conversation or debate.
Our Jesus, Our Loving Savior and Redeemer, King of Kings and Lord or Lords is the epitome of Love. Not Isa, Mo’s invention of the prophet of islam. How can we ever engage with someone who denies and disrespects our very humanity unless we think like they do?
The sad part is that whether or not they realize it, our God YHWH is their Creator, yet they dont recognize Him or His saving grace. I hate all that islam and its lies stand for, yet I pray that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes of all people, including Muslims, to personally understand and receive the love of God.
Muslim 2017 says
Respected sir, could you cite us one verse from the Bible where Jesus throughout his life or during his ministry ever celebrated Christmas. I await this verse.
John Marks says
I don’t know if you have a point in you question, but here’s an answer.
The first recorded date of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th was in 336, during the time of the Roman Emperor Constantine (he was the first Christian Roman Emperor). A few years later, Pope Julius I officially declared that the birth of Jesus would be celebrated on the 25th December.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Honored Guest, please see my response above
gravenimage says
Can Muslim 2017 tell us where in the Bible it says that Jesus is to mass murder Christians? Of course, there is no such verse.
Yet that is what all Muslims believe about “Isa”.
Westman says
Anytime you see a Muhammad wanna-be – dyed red beard – you know he is a sharia promoter, aggressive, and possibly, violent.
Muslim 2017 says
Westman this is generalizing. Many Muslims especially from the Asian continent who come from the “tabligh jamat” shave their beard yet they are not a violent group. Please do not be closed minded.
StacyGirl says
Can you, follower of Muhammad and posing lover of Jesus, show us one verse where Jesus said he would be made victorious through terror? He said we should love one another and beware of false prophets. He existed before the earth was created. He came to earth as a Jewish man and followed the Law. When He sees our Nativity scenes or a Charlie Brown Christmas I am sure he is pleased.
M says
And we never SEE them in the media preaching hate….so…yeah. Whenever its some convert looking looney, it’s a red flag. That’s not closed minded it’s honest.
gravenimage says
Muslim 2017 wrote:
Westman this is generalizing. Many Muslims especially from the Asian continent who come from the “tabligh jamat” shave their beard yet they are not a violent group. Please do not be closed minded.
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Of course, this has nothing to do with their being Asian–the “Prophet” began dying his beard with henna when he started to go gray–not out of a desire to look younger, but because he wanted to terrify the Infidels in battle.
As for his implication that Sheikh Zainadine Islam Johnson is perfectly peaceful, here he is, posing with a sword of Islam:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3828104/Muslim-leader-Imam-Zainadine-Johnson-lives-Australian-lifestyle.html
He has studied brutal Shari’ah, and sneers at those who take issue with its barbarism. He has said that the horror of Shari’ah is “no different from the Ten Commandments”–as though the Ten Commandments order the amputation of limbs for petty theft, murder for apostasy, and stoning for rape victims.
He has also slammed the creation of an independent East Timur–even though they broke away because this Christian-majority part of Indonesia was facing mass slaughter and full on genocide from Muslims.
Westman says
Muslim 2017, how do you equate being shaven and having a dyed red beard? Has your eyesight declined? And as for violence, I wrote “possibly” – is English your second language and that is why you missed the distinctions?
And I stand firmly behind the statement that Muslim men who dye their beards red are Muhammad admirers who want to be like Muhammad – one of the most brutal men in history; that is, if he actually existed and is not a product of 7th and 8th century “scholars” attempt to codify and build the mythical foundation for Islam.
Turn off the taqiyya. We all know the foundations of Islam rest on a shaky 300 year period and had to be pared down and compiled from conflicting versions of the Qur’an and Hadith. We also know there has been continual war, in “the religion of peace”, between Muslim sects since the “death” of Muhammad.
Somehow Allah, the greatest, forgot to reveal a succession plan.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Likely a frustrated marxist-type looking for another to fight ‘the system’!
Guest says
Of course not. Christmas is a Christian holiday
Linda says
Nobody is wants Muslims to celebrate Christmas anyway.
Muslim 2017 says
Why is this an issue? Did Jesus peace be upon him celebrate Christmas? The answer is no.
If one believes in the prophets of Allah/God from the seed of Abraham peace be upon him and believe that they should be emulated, did they celebrate Christmas? Again the answer is no.
So if the Imam says a Muslim should stay away from Christmas as it has nothing to do with the teachings of the prophets of Allah why is this a problem?
Why is this pressure on Muslims to “integrate or assimilate?” We do not need to integrate in a way that displeases Allah and his messenger peace be upon him. We should be discussing immigration and CONTRIBUTION – yes we contribute to the development of the country we immigrate in.
Are there Muslims with wrongful ideas? Of course there are. Are they wrong based on Islamic teachings? Of course they are! Are there verses in the Holy Quran that calls for jihad? Yes there are. Is there a context or if Muslims are forced to jihad, are there rules of engagement for example, avoiding civilian casualties? Of course there are.
Does Islam call for terrorism and killing unarmed combatant non believers? Of course not! All of the evidences are there in the Holy Quran and its explanatory literature.
Robert Spencer is mixing truth with falsehood. He is making money off the fears he instills in you. Will you not liberate your mind from this?
I challenge any of the readers and bloggers to engage with me on here about Islam, I am more than happy to address your questions Allah’s willing.
I AM THE INFIDEL YOUR IMAM WARNED YOU ABOUT says
You’re an Idiot…. for even asking the question if Jesus celebrated Christmas. Christmas is a celebration of Jesus’ birth.
Now go back to your cave you inbred moron.
I will challenge you anywhere and anytime. Make sure you know your quran and hadiths well enough because I will drive you into the ground. Be careful what you ask for because your request will be accepted.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“So if the Imam says a Muslim should stay away from Christmas as it has nothing to do with the teachings of the prophets of Allah why is this a problem?”
For me actually it is not a problem if muslims do not celebrate the birth of the Savior.
The point of noting this article is to show how opposed many, if not most, muslims seem to be against everything the west stands for and values.
“Why is this pressure on Muslims to “integrate or assimilate?” We do not need to integrate in a way that displeases Allah and his messenger peace be upon him”
Why the pressure? Because muslims and islam are guests in our lands. You will not see it this way of course, but that changes little. As guests in another land and amongst another people, who have very different values to those taught in the qoran, muslims need to adapt to those differing values to the full extent possible. And, crucially, refrain from attempting to alter and subvert those very values which make our lands preferable to lands dominated by islam.
That is what is causing all of the problems and tension.
How far do you think christians would get if they simply moved to iran or wherever, and tried to do what many muslims have done in our lands? As far as the local jail, and perhaps all the way to their graves.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“For me actually it is not a problem if muslims do not celebrate the birth of the Savior. ”
Although allow me to add that i do hope that more and more muslims would in fact honor the Lord Jesus as their savior, and would perhaps choose to celebrate His birth.
There is no compulsion to engage in such celebrations however. Do, or do not, it is not an issue of primary importance. Such is the freedom available to those trusting in Christs completed and perfect work for their eternal life, rather than anything they might bring to the judgement seat.
gravenimage says
Muslim 2017 wrote:
Why is this pressure on Muslims to “integrate or assimilate?” We do not need to integrate in a way that displeases Allah and his messenger peace be upon him.
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It “displeases Allah” if Muslims fail to oppress and slaughter Infidels. *This* is what we take issue with.
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We should be discussing immigration and CONTRIBUTION – yes we contribute to the development of the country we immigrate in.
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If by this “Muslim 2017” means that Muslims contribute to the need for law enforcement, courts, and prisons by waging violent Jihad, God knows this is all too true.
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Are there Muslims with wrongful ideas? Of course there are. Are they wrong based on Islamic teachings? Of course they are! Are there verses in the Holy Quran that calls for jihad? Yes there are. Is there a context or if Muslims are forced to jihad, are there rules of engagement for example, avoiding civilian casualties? Of course there are.
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Muslims are “forced to Jihad” if Infidels do not submit to Islam, as “Muslim 2017” well knows.
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Does Islam call for terrorism and killing unarmed combatant non believers? Of course not! All of the evidences are there in the Holy Quran and its explanatory literature.
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Doesn’t “Muslim 2017” know that most of us here have read that foul book? I guess not, or he would not lie so openly. The “Prophet” Muhammed regularly waged violent Jihad against civilians, and slew or enslaved any who survived the initial onslaught.
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Robert Spencer is mixing truth with falsehood. He is making money off the fears he instills in you. Will you not liberate your mind from this?
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In other words, you should not let anyone warn about the threat of Islam. After all, under Shari’ah law, no one is allowed to say anything critical about Islam.
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I challenge any of the readers and bloggers to engage with me on here about Islam, I am more than happy to address your questions Allah’s willing.
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I am awaiting “Muslim 2017’s” replies. Will he continue with his Taqiyya, or cut straight to threats?
Muslim 2017 says
Could you cite Quranic evidences or other prophetic statement where it clearly states that in Islam Muslims must kill unarmed or innocent civilians please. Produce very clear statements, do vague stuff. Thank you.
gravenimage says
The “Prophet” himself attacked the farmers of Kaybar:
“We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, “Muhammad with his force,” and turned tail and fled… The apostle seized the property piece by piece… (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757)”
This was not an armed force–not even a defensive one–these were farmers on their way to the fields.
“When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked.(Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757)”
Note that there is no mention here that this must be an armed force–instead. the “Prophet” was attacking these people because they were *not Muslims*.
Here is more, from the Hadith:
“Allah’s Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)”
Again, the only basis of the attack is that the victims are not Muslim.
Then, there is the infamous Sura of the Sword, the penultimate Ayat of the Qur’an:
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them”
In other words, Muslims are enjoined to attack all Infidels.
I could go on, of course–there are many more examples.
The whole history of Islam from the days of the “Prophet” confirms this.
Muslim 2017 says
Gravenimage I’ve asked you for evidence from the Holy Quran and prophetic statements, not from history books. If a history book makes a claim against the teachings of the Holy Quran and explanations of these ayats by authentic hadith then this is a fabrication. I am certain if I am to investigate your source it would a distortion of what you have presented.
Surah 2:190-193
“Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”
“And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”
“And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
“Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.”
Explanation:
“Abu Al-`Aliyah said, “This was the first Ayah about fighting that was revealed in Al-Madinah. Ever since it was revealed, Allah’s Messenger used to fight only those who fought him and avoid non-combatants.”
“.those who fight you) applies only to fighting the enemies who are engaged in fighting Islam and its people. So the Ayah means, `Fight those who fight you’, just as Allah said (in another Ayah):”
“…and fight against the Mushrikin collectively as they fight against you collectively.) (9:36)”
“And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.) meaning, `Your energy should be spent on fighting them, just as their energy is spent on fighting you, and on expelling them from the areas from which they have expelled you, as a law of equality in punishment.”
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=235
Do not transgress limits means:
(but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.)
This Ayah means, `Fight for the sake of Allah and do not be transgressors,’ such as, by committing prohibitions. Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah), “includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit.” This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others.”
(Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal (from the captured goods), commit treachery, mutilate (the dead), or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship.)
It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, “A woman was found dead during one of the Prophet’s battles and the Prophet then forbade killing women and children. ”
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=234
Muslim 2017 says
You said, ““But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them” –
I believe you have quoted surah 9:5 of the Holy Quran. The verses are true, let’s put the verses together. This is academic dishonesty on your part. Let us look at the preceding and proceeding verses.
Surah 9:4, “Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].” One again there is pardon towards those who do not fight the Muslims.
Surah 9:6, “And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.”
You said that Islam teaches that Muslims must kill ALL the infidels but this is nothing but a lie.
Again I challenge you to produce a clear text from Quran and authentic hadith where Islam mandates the killing of civilians. Thank you.
gravenimage says
Muslim 2017 wrote:
Gravenimage I’ve asked you for evidence from the Holy Quran and prophetic statements, not from history books. If a history book makes a claim against the teachings of the Holy Quran and explanations of these ayats by authentic hadith then this is a fabrication.
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What Ibn Ishaq wrote is right in line with the teachings of the Qur’an and the Hadith. Is “Muslim 2017” now claiming that the “Prophet” Muhammed himself went “against the teachings of the Holy Quran”?
More:
I am certain if I am to investigate your source it would a distortion of what you have presented.
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Ibn Ishaq is not an Infidel–he wrote the canonical Sira, or life of the “Prophet”. How can “Muslim 2017” pretend we don’t know this?
More:
Surah 2:190-193
“Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”
“And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”
“And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
“Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.”
Explanation:
“Abu Al-`Aliyah said, “This was the first Ayah about fighting that was revealed in Al-Madinah. Ever since it was revealed, Allah’s Messenger used to fight only those who fought him and avoid non-combatants.”
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Of course, the Qur’an says no such thing. In fact, it says that Fitnah–disbelief–is *worse than killing*. In other words, non-violent unbelievers are to be murdered, simply because they are not Muslims.
More:
“.those who fight you) applies only to fighting the enemies who are engaged in fighting Islam and its people. So the Ayah means, `Fight those who fight you’, just as Allah said (in another Ayah):”
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More claptrap. This refers to any Infidels who resist forced submission to Islam.
More:
“…and fight against the Mushrikin collectively as they fight against you collectively.) (9:36)”
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This is, of course, the bowdlerized translation of Sahih International:
https://quran.com/9/36
Here is the *actual* translation:
“Surely the reckoning of months, in the sight of Allah, is twelve months,34 laid down in Allah’s decree on the day when He created the heavens and the earth; and out of these months four are sacred. That is the true ordainment. Do not, therefore, wrong yourselves, with respect to these months.35 And fight all together against those who associate others with Allah in His Divinity in the manner that they fight against you all together,36 and know well that Allah is with the God-fearing.”
http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=9&verse=36&to=37
Here, it makes it clear that Infidels are “fighting” with Muslims by ‘associating others with Allah”–that is, by not being monotheists as Islam sees it.
More:
“And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.) meaning, `Your energy should be spent on fighting them, just as their energy is spent on fighting you, and on expelling them from the areas from which they have expelled you, as a law of equality in punishment.”
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“Kill them wherever you find them” refers to all Infidels.
More:
Do not transgress limits means:
(but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.)
This Ayah means, `Fight for the sake of Allah and do not be transgressors,’ such as, by committing prohibitions.
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Given that Muslims can rape women in Jihad, kidnap and hold them for ransom, use them as sex slaves, and mass-slaughter Infidels, I don’t think many non-Muslims have any reason to be heartened by hearing that savage Muslims must not “transgress”.
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Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah), “includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods)
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This last is *especially* appalling, as “Muslim 2017” knows full well. The claim that Muslims must not steal from the captured goods means that they cannot steal from other Muslims what those Muslims have *stolen from Infidels*. Further, those “captured goods” includes slaves and sex slaves.
In other words, “Muslim 2017” makes it clear that he is fine with Muslims robbing and enslaving us. *Ugh*.
In fact, he is so upset about Muslims stealing the booty they have stolen from us that he repeats this twice.
More:
(Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah.
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“Those who disbelieve in Allah”–that would be us Infidels. Note that there is no caveat that these people must be fighting Muslims.
Why is “Muslim 2017” so inept? Doesn’t he realize what he is revealing to us here?
More:
It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, “A woman was found dead during one of the Prophet’s battles and the Prophet then forbade killing women and children. ”
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“Muslim 2017” hopes we have not read the Hadiths where the “Prophet” has women like Umm Qirfa, Asma bint Marwan, and a poor woman who simply could not stop wailing seeing her father, husband, and sons slaughtered.
Moreover, notice that when women were not killed outright that they were usually enslaved. “Muslim 2017” has had nothing to say against this. But then, how could he? It is perfectly Islamic.
More:
You said, ““But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them” –
I believe you have quoted surah 9:5 of the Holy Quran.
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*Of course* the Sura of the Sword is Qur’an 9.5. Is “Muslim 2017″ pretending we do not know this?
More:
The verses are true, let’s put the verses together. This is academic dishonesty on your part. Let us look at the preceding and proceeding verses.
Surah 9:4, “Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].” One again there is pardon towards those who do not fight the Muslims.
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Since Muslims have no treaty with us Infidels, it is clear that–per Qur’an 9.4 and 9.5–that Muslims can freely slay us wherever they find us, as I noted.
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Surah 9:6, “And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.”
You said that Islam teaches that Muslims must kill ALL the infidels but this is nothing but a lie.
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Note what Sura 9.6 actually says–that polytheists should be given protection *they he may hear the words of Allah”. In other words, this is not an Infidel, but someone who *is in the process of converting to Islam*.
In other words, this is not about letting Infidels live at all–not *as Infidels*.
More:
Again I challenge you to produce a clear text from Quran and authentic hadith where Islam mandates the killing of civilians. Thank you.
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Of course, The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims.
As for the Hadith, notice that he chose to ignore the Hadith I cited in my last post. I will post it here again:
“Allah’s Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)”
Obviously, these were not people who were attacking Muslims–just those who do not “bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger”–in other words, they were just non-Muslims.
Unless he is declaring that Sahih Muslim–whose very name means reliable, is not not reliable.
It is pretty obvious that “Muslim 2017” is going to go on denying that Islam demands that Muslims slaughter Infidels for being Infidels, and hope we have–somehow–missed those almost 32,000 Jihad terror attacks against us. *Ugh*.
Westman says
Muslim 2017 wrote: “I challenge any of the readers and bloggers to engage with me on here about Islam, I am more than happy to address your questions Allah’s willing.”
Why did Allah, the greatest, forget to reveal a method of succession for the leadership of Islam and then later allow the destruction of the Caliphate?
Who is the current leader of Islam and what nation is his residence? Which sect of Islam is the true Islam?
Do you hate Jews? How old were you when you were first exposed to an adult Muslim expressing hatred for Jews?
Do you love the idea of Allah torturing unbelievers, burning off their skins, replacing them for more burning, pouring boiling water on their heads, giving them caustic liquid for their thirst, etc? It’s in every translation of the Quran. What does that say about the character of Allah?
Do you think the West’s useful liberals would support Islam if they ever actually read the Qur’an?
gravenimage says
Spot on, Westman.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
The imam is right. How can a Muslim who believes in only One God celebrates paganism of mithraism of old? Christianity is a blasphemy insulting Almighty God to be human. Christians could worship woman’s vagina like Hindu barbarians that the enjoyment there is a sign that their god the Satan they call Holy Spirit descended on it and converted it to god itself. Idiots!!
commonsense says
Thank you once again, Ibe, for demonstrating to everyone why Muslims SHOULD be banned from entry into civilized nations. Keep posting!
John Marks says
🙂
M says
Exactly. Someone worried about integrating in a way that displeases alllah….all of western civilization displeases “Allah”. Of course they can’t assimilate. When I was little, as a Christian, I went to my friends Jewish events and services because they were my friends. No one suggested I ” stay away”. What kind of absurd garbage is it to shun the culture of your host country? Or to not have diverse kinds of friends?Tired of Islamic taquiyya as they wage jihad by occupying our country and lying about their goals.
Michael Copeland says
“Using deception to mask intended goals”
Is a stated aim of the Muslim Brotherhood plan.
It’s quite unaffected by Western opinion polls,
And is something we need to get used to as soon as we can.
StacyGirl says
Anyone who is an imam is a stranger to the truth, hence their head pounding love for the lies of Satan and his violent ways. Let’s talk about your muslim holidays: gorging until dawn, self-flagellation, butchering animals in the street. Do not lecture God’s faithful about pleasing him.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Such a confused mess of nonsense. Is this the best dawa they teach you? Pathetic. Probably ahmed dedat is a hero of yours?
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed will be pleased to know that this “sheikh” denounced Diwali at the same time. Muslims always like to insult as many Infidels as possible.
LeftisruiningCanada says
And that’s fine. I’ve only a problem with the whole taking over/murder/jizya thing.
gravenimage says
Me too.
Westman says
Islam tells me that Jannah will be filled with polygamous men who continually indulge in earthly delights. That’s not much of an improvement. “Jannah” already exists in some parts of the West. Perhaps that is a factor in the one-way Muslim migration to the West.
As an agnostic I must admit that the god of Christianity is far superior in moral character to the Islam god and shows a personal interest in humans. The god of Islam seems to regard the followers as his personal ant farm that operates on a demerit system; tamping down on any real celebration of life and continually threatening to use his power on the unwilling. He makes people love death.
Frankly the character of Allah is no different than the gods of ancient Rome; the difference being his claim to be the only god. His personification is best observed in North Korea.
ronyvo says
Ibrahim; with all due respect, what you said about Christianity is a loud proof of IGNORANCE. I don’t blame you a simple minded fellow who listens to the ignorant imams and mainly the Koran, which is full of lies and contradictions.
One very important piece of info, An article I wrote back in 2001 right after 9/11:
Our God and allah
Some people think that the Muslim’s god (allah) and our (the Christians) God are the same.
This is, definitely, NOT TRUE.
Muslim advocates in the West are trying very hard to justify the legitimateness of Islam as a peaceful ‘religion’, especially after 9/11/01.
Out of desperation they use lies (deception) and double talk, which is allowed in Islam, al taqiya.
They use money, sex, race and terror (fear) to lure Americans to Islam, or at least get their sympathy.
Their god (Allah) is a god of hate. He instructs and encourages them to instill terror in the heart of non-Muslims and kill them (Surah 8:13-17 & many others). The Koran is full with “fight” and ”kill”.
One must acknowledge that Allah is not in harmony with our God.
Before Mohammad ’cleansed’ the Kabba of many idols, it was in fact a pagan temple dedicated by Hindus (although they weren’t called Hindus yet). The tribe of Mohammad followed a primary idol known as Durga, the moon god Al-llat who was represented by the crescent moon to the Arabs and the Hindus. Even before Mohammad claimed prophetic visions he wanted to be a Hebrew (obviously people he admired for their intelligence and beauty) and so he began emulating the Hebrews and their monotheism, but the Jews could not accept him.
Mohammad became angry with the Jews and Christians and began having his visions of his own god in his own way.
God ceased to be called Ar-Rhaman and Mohammad began using the word
Al-Llah to describe his god. This was never the Christian or Hebrew Yahweh (Elohei Avraham the (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob), but the pagan Arab-Hindu Al-Lat of the Qurashi tribe. (Al meant ‘the’ and ilah meant ‘goddess’, not God.
Jesus taught, “Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you and persecute you.” Math 5:44
Ironically, they call the Christians INFIDELS because they believe (ignorantly) that Christians worship 3 gods (the Holy Trinity). Mohammad fails to understand monotheism. However, it is not enough to say there is only one God if you point at the wrong God.
The Muslims however, give Mohammad an equal position as Allah if not more importance.
In order to be a Muslim you have to say the shehada “there is no god but Allah, and Mohammad is his messenger”. If one cite the first part only, he cannot be a Muslim, he must cite the second part pertaining Mohammad.
Christians’ God, the Lord Jesus Christ is a God of love, peace and mercy.
Jesus forbade his followers from using the sword (Mathew 26:52).
When He was on earth He cured the sick healed the blind. Mohammad didn’t.
Jesus came to save lives (Luke 9:56). Mohammed came to destroy lives (Surah 48:16….).
There is much more to be said to prove that our God has nothing to do with Allah.
No way those 2 Gods are the same. Allah, the crescent moon, is one of the 360 gods, al ellat (the most popular), used to be worshiped by the Arabs, which Mohammad chose to avoid the tribes resentment.
Besides; Jesus (Whom the Koran claims that He is a prophet) warned:
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL RECOGNISE THEM” Mat. 7:15-16.
“..and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people” Mat. 24:11
I AM THE INFIDEL YOUR IMAM WARNED YOU ABOUT says
Hey MUSLIM 2017…. here are a few things for you to digest….. before you decide to debate me or any of the respected commentators on this post.
The mosque is the national flag of the Muslim Ummah.
The 10 COMMANDMENTS OF GOD given to Moses are followed by Christian and Jews .
However, after reading the quran extensively and doing a bit of research on the various violent verses, I’ve found THE 11 COMMANDMENTS OF THE QURAN (yes I’ve found 11 Islamic Commandments) and HOW MUSLIMS ARE INSTRUCTED TO TREAT JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
1. “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Quran 2:191
Actual verse (Surah Al-Baqarah [2:191] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.)
2. “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Quran 9:123
Actual verse (Surah At-Tawbah [9:123] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.)
3. “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Quran 9:5
Actual Verse (Surah At-Tawbah [9:5] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.)
4. “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Quran 3:85
Actual verse (Surah Ali ‘Imran [3:85] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: And whoever desires other than Islam as religion – never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.)
5. “The Jews and the Christians are unbelivers fight them.” Quran 9:30
Actual verse (Surah At-Tawba [9:30] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?)
6. “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Quran 5:33
Actual verse (Suran Al-Ma’idah [5:33] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.)
7. “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water mel their skin and bellies.” Quran 22:19
Actual verse (Suran Al-Haj [22:19] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water)
8. “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Quran.” Quran 8:12
Actual verse (Suran Al-Anfal [8:12] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”)
9. “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Quran 8:60
Actual verse (Suran Al-Anfal [8:60] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.
10. “The unbelievers are stupid urge the Muslims to fight them.” Quran 8:65
Actual verse (Suran Al-Anfal [8:65] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand.)
11. “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Quran 3:28
Actual verse (Suran Ali ‘Imran [3:28] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.)
There are more commandment of a similar nature calling for the killings of Jews, Christians, Infidels, Kuffars, Kafirs, Unbelievers etc. But these are the main 11 commandments
Prove me wrong that above Islamic 11 Commandments are not mentioned in the quran
katherine says
Does that answer your question, Muslim2017 ? Let us enjoy a point-by-point demonstration of Islamic Mental Acrobatics. Let’s hear your Twist on the Quranic Quommandments.
Muslim 2017 says
The verses are present in the Holy Quran, it’s so great to conveniently quote surah 9:5 yet not verses 4 and 6. All the military verses are there in the Holy Quran yet for a surety it is for people who fight against the Muslims.
There is no verse in the Holy Quran that calls to kill unarmed combatants.
An American wearing an army headgear that states, “Born to Kill” does not make him a murderer. Start putting verses into their proper context then we can have a discussion.
You quoted surah 2:193, you failed to start from surah 2:190 that says, “Fight those who fight you but do not transgress limits.” Why do you live this one out? I have explained this verse and surah 9:4-6 above, did you notice that?
You know what your problem is, you all are afraid of the growth of Islam. No need to be afraid as Islam is the best way for mankind. Embrace what is to come (smiles). Embrace Islam, this is the true way for submission and peace. If you all stop colonizing Muslim countries many problems will be curbed.
ronyvo says
Muslim2017 wrote:
“There is no verse in the Holy Quran that calls to kill unarmed combatants. ”
And other lies or ignorance or takyya.
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193
Tell me Muslim2017, Do you understand from those ‘samples’ that Muslims are to search EVERY infidel they see for weapons?
I am Coptic (Christian of Egypt), are you aware of what Muslims are doing to us? I tell you, Muslims are burning churches with the very peaceful Christian worshipper in them shouting allaho Akbar? Do you know how long we are getting the Islamic treatment? Over 1400+ years till this very day, from the time Islam existed that how long.
Please, stop lying. I know you CAN NOT do that because this is one of the hidden pillar of Islam. If you believe that you are not lying, then definitely you are ignorant of you faith.
ronyvo says
muslim2017 wrote:
“You know what your problem is, you all are afraid of the growth of Islam. No need to be afraid as Islam is the best way for mankind. Embrace what is to come (smiles). Embrace Islam, this is the true way for submission and peace. If you all stop colonizing Muslim countries many problems will be curbed.”
Islam is the best way for mankind!!!! You’re kidding, right?
All these crimes committed in the world in the name of Islam. I do not like calling those Muslims ‘terrorist’ because I know that they would like that. Mohammad told them to ‘terrorize, I call them criminals, because they are. ISLAMM IS CRIMIINAL is satanic..
gravenimage says
Good posts, ronyvo.
gravenimage says
More from the increasingly appalling “Muslim 2017”:
The verses are present in the Holy Quran, it’s so great to conveniently quote surah 9:5 yet not verses 4 and 6. All the military verses are there in the Holy Quran yet for a surety it is for people who fight against the Muslims.
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As I noted above, this is claptrap. Qur’an 9.4 only applies to Infidels who have signed treaties with the Muslims promising not to interfere with their waging Jihad against others; Muslims have no such treaties with Infidels today, which means that we are all fair game (I will leave aside here the fact that Muslims regularly violate such treaties, dating all the way back to the the Treaty of Hudaibiya).
As for Qur’an 9:6, this only offers protection to Infidels who are “hearing the word of Allah”–i.e., converting to Islam. Any Infidel who goes to Muslims asking for such protection who then thinks he can decide that Islam is not for him is a fool; he would immediately lose such protection and be murdered by Muslims.
All of this just emphasizes how violent the Sura of the Sword–Qur’an 9:5–really is.
Surely “Muslim 2017” knows this–but hope that *we don’t*.
More:
There is no verse in the Holy Quran that calls to kill unarmed combatants.
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Besides this verse, there is the Sura quoted by ronyvo, above:
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29
No reference here to fighting only those who are fighting Muslims–this applies to *all* who have not submitted to Islam.
There are, of course, many more such verses.
More:
An American wearing an army headgear that states, “Born to Kill” does not make him a murderer. Start putting verses into their proper context then we can have a discussion.
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The “proper context” is that there have been almost 32,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11–and this does not include plots we have been able to foil.
In other words, unlike that silly “Born to Kill” hat, Muslims *regularly* act on the violent diktats of the Qur’an to slaughter unbelievers.
(by the way, the idea that “Born to Kill” is official US Army headgear is just ludicrous calumny. These hats are novelties, not part of a uniform, and could *never* be worn by on-duty military personnel.)
More:
You quoted surah 2:193, you failed to start from surah 2:190 that says, “Fight those who fight you but do not transgress limits.” Why do you live this one out?
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As I noted above, since “not transgressing the limits” still allows Muslims to rape, enslave, and mass murder, this *hardly* presents any sort of safeguard for non-Muslims.
More:
I have explained this verse and surah 9:4-6 above, did you notice that?
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How could I miss it? Again, these offer *no* safeguards to Infidels; Muslims can rape and murder us to their heart’s content, according to their “holy book”.
More:
You know what your problem is, you all are afraid of the growth of Islam.
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It’s true–we don’t want to be robbed, raped, and murdered. We don’t want to live under the tyranny of Islam and the horrors of Shari’ah. That, in in itself, makes us targets as Muslims see it.
More:
No need to be afraid as Islam is the best way for mankind. Embrace what is to come (smiles). Embrace Islam, this is the true way for submission and peace.
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That “(smiles)” is *especially chilling*.
This “best way for mankind” includes child marriage, sex slavery, beheadings for apostasy and “blasphemy”, and the stoning of rape victims.
Some of us consider these horrors *hell on earth*–Muslims only consider this “what is best for mankind” because they believe they have the right to rob, rape, and slaughter us.
Also, notice the threat–he says that this vision of hell is “what is to come”–whether we want it or not. He also says it is what is the “true way” for peace–in other words, if we do not accept Islam, we will be butchered–so much for his claim that Muslims only kill those who actively fight back.
More:
If you all stop colonizing Muslim countries many problems will be curbed.
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What crap–there is no Muslim country under colonization now, and has not been for decades. Yet Muslims increasingly murder us–the Jihad against us all continues.
Ciudadano says
Well that’s a good example of the true meaning of “To You Your Religion and To Me Mine (Qur’an 109:1-6)”. It is not a declaration of religion tolerance or proto-ecumenism, on the contrary it is a stark rejection of other people’s faith.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/To_You_Your_Religion_and_To_Me_Mine
Gordon Anderson says
When women discover the power that Islam gives them over men it is all over !
http://threepercenternation.com/2014/08/kurdish-female-soldiers/
John Marks says
I see everyone trying to pit Jesus against Islam, as if you had to be a Christian to disavow Islam. Not so, in my opinion. Evil is evil and needs no other religious concept to recognize that fact.
gravenimage says
Of course–all good people can reject the savagery of Islam.
Jesus only came up here because this Imam is ranting about Christmas.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It may be that all of us in the west owe a great deal to our Christian past….even the ability to define islam is evil and therefore reject it.
gravenimage says
🙂
Lydia says
Because “allah” is the devil.
StacyGirl says
Yes?
Timothy McAlee, Sr. G.eD. says
Exactly!!!
lauren says
slay the disbeliever wherever you find them @ muslim,that would be from the mouth of mohammed? he was the prophet’ who laughed while killing his enemies? the one true prophecy he made was that his aorta would be severed if he was a liar,& he said to aisha he still felt the pain of his aorta being severed in khyba
Manny says
The moral of the story then is to wish every Muslim a Merry Christmas.
Pablito says
And pray for them and they be ardent converts to Christ. May Jesus bless and send his spirit upon them. Especially for you on this site who hate us. May Jesus take your hearts of stone and give you loving hearts, and bless you with his heavenly peace already here on earth.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Indeed, amen
gravenimage says
Australia: Imam preaches that Muslims must not celebrate Christmas, it’s against Allah
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This is the usual–Imams have no trouble with the faithful raping and murdering unbelievers, but celebrating Christmas? Now *that* is Haram…
Mantel says
Milo Yiannopoulos has a video on why so many red heads convert to radical Islamic jihadism. Lighthearted relief.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn09jRnIfD0
gravenimage says
Personally, I think it’s because Gingers already look as though they are dying their beards with henna… sarc/off
Timothy McAlee, Sr. G.eD. says
These Muslim fanatics believe that, “allah” will Reward them with 72 Virgins & they could NOT be more Wrong! Mohammad was a Dyslexic & misread the Quran! It say, “with 27 Virgins, will I reward YOU, BUTT YOU won’t know, if they are Male, or female, until YOU GET HERE SUCKERS”!!!
Sarah says
Oh please. This fat tool, again.
I’ve seen him around, years ago. Before he was Muslim. I used to live on the Gold Coast and in Brisbane. I’ve seen him drunk off his face at the Normandy Hotel in Brisbane. I’ve seen him parading like a tosspot through the Fortitude Valley nightclub precinct when he was in Grinder. I’ve seen him act like the absolute bogan yobbo that he is.
Never could hold down a proper job, it seems. Never could actually get off his overweight backside and work 40 hours a week for a living. He had to try and play at being a rock star. As a martial arts enthusiast. You name it, this idiot was all over it – anything to avoid working full time. And now here he is, draped in his bedsheets, ‘working’ for a living by sitting his fat arse in a Mosque in the centre of boganville – Logan in Queensland, preaching for cash.
He is just yet another overweight ginger haired bogan loser who failed at literally everything he turned his hand to and was so hopelessly insecure and lonely that he was weak enough to swallow the lies of Islam. Islam makes him special, you see. Islam makes him important. Islam makes him powerful in his eyes.
And that is all that this gigantic red haired turd has ever wanted – to feel powerful and to have his ‘right and might’ recognized.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the background, Sarah. That’s pretty much what I had heard about him.
Sarah says
You’re welcome. 🙂
i must admit, their music wasn’t bad. I saw them live a couple of times.
gravenimage says
I sure he was better as a musician than as a Mohammedan.
Sarah says
Oh he makes an excellent Mohammedan! 😉
gravenimage says
I meant a better human, Sarah.
But yes–he may have finally found a gig he can stick with–destroying his fellow Australians.
PRCS says
A bogan yobbo.
Well
ronyvo says
Islam attracts failures and criminals. The Islamists go to prisons to lure prisoners to Islam and they are very successful in adding more jihadis to their army using all kind of tactics, lies and false promises.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… Sheikh Zainadine Johnson was a former rock band member who converted to Islam, and now he ‘advocates Sharia law, says participating in the customs of other religions is against Allah.’…”
Furthermore, the sheikh and others like him find it irritating to be regularly reminded of non-Muslim religious festivities and so it doesn’t take long until Western Multicultural Communities decide that it’s just a lot easier to remove local religious customs from public places and community institutions. The tail is wagging the dog because of the docile mutts that we’ve become.
John Forbes says
THESE CHARACTERS REMIND ME OF SOMETHING OUT OF THE SHOW – THE BISHOP OF DIBLEY – BUT THEY ARE FAR FAR FROM AMUSING !
THIS JACK ASS NEEDS TO BE LOCKED UP BUT NO DOUBT THE COWARDS WILL ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE UNTIL THERE IS REAL EXPLOSION !!
PRCS says
The video reminds me:
It’s O.K. to be white.
Dhul Qarnayn says
Ah yes!The white convert to islam with the pasty face,the ginger beard and the adoption of the silly arab name,the artificially spoken “prayers” to allah in arabish{the language of the convert to islam that is always a source of great amusement to anyone who actually speaks the language}…it’s funny but Johnson doesn’t look at all like an arab.
And like all converts to islam ,Johnson is clearly lacking the God-given intelligence to differentiate between God and allah.His beard is clearly smarter than he is.
There is absolutely no sign of intelligence between that imbecile’s ears!
islam:it always attracts the stupid and the godless.
terry says
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Who cares whether not muslims celebrate christmas, i sure as hell want nothing to do with islam in any aspect.
If they are offended by christmas, who gives a shit?
gravenimage says
Terry, the point is that Muslims constantly preach that Muslims are not to assimilate, or even to show any respect to their host societies.
And this can go from a warning not to celebrate the holidays of the “filthy Infidels” to something *much* darker:
“UK: Muslim wishes Christians happy Easter, is murdered by other Muslim in ‘religiously prejudiced’ attack”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/uk-muslim-wishes-christians-happy-easter-is-murdered-by-other-muslim-in-religiously-prejudiced-attack
Karen says
Hmmmm,…… 4 weeks of fun leading up to the big day. Midnight, candlelit service, snowy December morning, presents galore, huge feast. Family, fun, music, decorations, parties, trees, …..let’s face it, Christmas can be a tough act to follow. Perhaps that’s what the red imam is worried about!.
LeftisruiningCanada says
He should head over to pakistan. They have the “Red Mosque” organization over there. Lots of little boys to ‘educate’ if he should feel the need to. poor little sods.
Islamic mirror says
Qur’an is a mixture of paganism/Judaism/Politics/misconceptions/Gnostic gospels and Muhammad’s abrogations forced upon his own god. The Qur’an is literally filled with unauthorized material that date 200-500 AD, directly plagiarized from Jewish books. Apart from his many misconceptions about Christianity and the Jewish faith, Muhammad plagiarized from the Talmud written 200 AD – 500 AD, the exact verses from Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5 into sura 5:32. The same was written in: “Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 4:8 (37a). Muhammad repeats a story from the Targum of Cain, (Targum is an interpretation of verses in the Torah.) From Targum of Jonathan-ben-Uzziah written between 3 and 4 century he plagiarized into sura 5:31, 2 centuries later. Muhammad repeats from the II Targum of Ester, written early 4 century, about the story of Salomon talking to a bird about Queen Sheba, plagiarized into sura 27:16, 17, 20-23, 27-36, 42. Muhammad also plagiarized from the Midrash of Genesis (Bereshit Rabbah (CH 38:11-13; Vol. 1, pp. 310-311, written between 400 and 600 AD, a story about Abraham smashing a group of Idols plagiarized into Sura 21:51-70.)
Taken by itself, 5:32 means one thing, but if you read 5:32 in context, that is as followed and modified by 5:33, quite a different meaning emerges:
• this verse 5.32 is a command on the *Jews*, not on muslims. (the sentiment of 5:32 is, in fact, plagiarised from the Torah). Nothing like a little kitman to grease the wheels of mohamedanism.
• 5:32: “We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.” (a verse lifted straight from the Jewish Mishnah)
This seems to be a denunciation of killing, save in the case of punishing someone for murder or “for spreading mischief in the land” — but we still need to understand that last phrase, which is defined only in the next verse, 5:33, which reads:
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.” (K 5.33)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Quran 5:33
Actual verse (Suran Al-Ma’idah [5:33] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.)
Who are those who “wage war against Allah and His messenger” if not the non-Muslims, of every kind? And what is to happen to them? They are deserving of execution, or crucifixion, or having their hands and feet cut off. 5:33 is the gloss that gives 5:32 its real meaning, which is not peace but a sword
Glorification of Criminal and killers
o … Mohammed said, ‘My living is in the shade of swords.’ (Mohammed earned his living by theft.)”
Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.”
‘Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad, https://quran.com/2/216 8/39, 48/1-28)’
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56/33-35
The most ‘perfect’ Muslim is a suicide bomber, who is doing Allah’s duty in killing the infidel, and is rewarded immediately with paradise and 72 black-eyed virgins. All other Muslims must suffer death and the grave. The suicide bombers, being highly esteemed by every Muslim, would certainly want to be recognized for their deeds and sacrifice to Allah. Glory and sacrifice and rewards to the family including that the homicide-suicide bomber canintercede so seventy of their relatives also get into Paradise. ” According to islam, dying in jihad cancels immediately all sins of the “martyr”. Reward double during Ramadan.
Muzzies are too lazy to be competitive in this life, they achieve nothing and look forward to the next life. How stupid to believe that killing people gets you to paradise and you can take 70 family members with you. Stupid. It may be stupid but it’s in their war manual (Koran) so that’s what they believe. Of course it’s all a pile of camel doo.
Eternity with 4 magically created sex robots and 72 female rape slaves, all of which, each (male only) martyr gets to gorge himself on, fulfilling all his perverted little sexual fantasies and desires
It must be awkward when jihadists blow themselves up accidently, allah will not be too pleased.
allah; so how many filthy unbelieving infidel dogs did you slay?
jihadist: ehm..none..I blew myself up.
allah:whaat?what the hell is wrong with you,i give you one simple job “to slay the unbelievers” and you screw it up?
jihadist:sorry,so do I get the 72 virgins now?
allah:no,that only counts if you kill civilians…here’s a stick..go play with it..
“Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, ruthless to unbelievers.” (Qur’an 48:29)
I thought the Yazidis were infidels, like Jews. That they were lower than Muslims and that what we were doing to them was OK.” no ethnicity, no tribe, no population, no religion on this planet is lower than Muslims.
… That they were lower https://quran.com/98/6-7 than Muslims.”
Is what this man declared sound according to Islamic doctrine?
He said, “To my dearest sister, By the time you read this Insha’Allah [God willing] I will be with Allah. Do not cry and be strong. The Shaheed [witness or martyr] will take 70 members of his family with him to paradise. I will take you there Insha’Allah. Tell everyone I love them and that they should struggle against the enemies of Allah …The Queen and her soldiers will all be in the hellfire, they go to war with Muslims around the world and kill them without any mercy.”
Here’s what Islam teaches about VENGEANCE, RETRIBUTION and RETALIATION… IT’S COMPULSORY!
-K.11.173 “Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in BLOODSHED.”
-K.2.178 “O you who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain.”
-“The reprisal against those who wage war on Allah and His Messenger, and go about the earth corrupting it, is that they should be killed or crucified, or have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land.” (K.5:33)
Waging war against Allah is rejecting Him.”–Tafsir of Imam al-Bukhari
-Imam AbdulLatif ibn AbdurRahman rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed and act upon it, and yet not be hostile against the mushrikeen. So anyone who isn’t hostile against the mushrikeen, then it can’t be said that he acts upon Tawheed, nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
-(The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.) `Wage war’ mentioned here means: oppose and contradict, and it includes (opposing) disbelief.”–Tafsir Ibn Kathir “Surat al-Ma’idah [Q 5]”
-K. 2.191 And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
-K.9:11-12 But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith, – fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
-from a Sharia law web site…the “punishment of execution which sharee’ah imposes on everyone who reviles the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), whether he is a Muslim, a dhimmi or a mu’aahid, because transgressing against the status of the Prophets is disbelief in Allaah Almighty, and it invalidates every sanctity, right and covenant; it is a major betrayal which deserves the most severe punishment.
Islamic mirror says
From IslamQA: “….the Prophet said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them”…….putting up [the Christmas tree] comes under the heading of imitating others that is haraam, or venerating and showing respect to a religious symbol of the kuffaar….”
Muhammad venerated and respected the black stone at Kaaba. However, doing so was a ritual of the kuffaar (polytheistic Meccans, in this case).
To any Muslims reading this: Muhammad was clearly one of them idol-worshiping kuffaar! So ditch Islam and become Hindus, and be quick about it. Hindus too worship black stones but they usually know who/what the black stone represents, and they know why they worship it.
Muhammad otoh imitated the polytheists without knowing ANYTHING. Don’t trust him, Muslims! He is one of THEM! Dump him and dump him fast!