“A neighbour said the ‘beautiful family’ had lived in the house for at least a decade. ‘They’re just lovely, everyday, people,’ she said.”
The problem here is that in Islam, jihad violence is not incompatible with being “lovely, everyday people.” The command to wage war against unbelievers is not something that need be accompanied by rage or irrational, violent behavior. A perfectly ordinary, reasonable, kindly Muslim may one day decide, for any number of reasons, to heed that command. One need not have previously been psychotic or deranged to do so.
“Man arrested over alleged Melbourne New Year’s Eve terror plot for Federation Square,” by Anthony Colangelo and Nino Bucci, The Age, November 28, 2017 (thanks to Jill):
A young man has been arrested after allegedly planning to carry out a terrorist attack with an automatic rifle at Melbourne’s Federation Square on New Year’s Eve.
The 20-year-old man, who lives with his parents and siblings in Werribee, was allegedly planning to shoot and kill as many people as he could in an attack.
Victoria Police deputy commissioner Shane Patton said a Australian-born 20-year-old sought to purchase, but did not acquire, an automatic weapon to carry out the attack.
He was arrested by heavily armed police on Synnot Street, Werribee, in front of shocked bystanders on Monday afternoon.
Victoria Police deputy commissioner Shane Patton said the man, an Australian-born Muslim with Somali parents, tried to buy an automatic firearm through “face to face interactions” but was ultimately unsuccessful.
The 20-year-old man was arrested on Synnot Street in Werribee on Monday.
“The potential of the attack is catastrophic. This is a person who has expressed an intention to try and kill as many people as he could. It’s horrendous,” Mr Patton told reporters on Tuesday.
“We have been monitoring him for a very lengthy period of time.
The family’s home is being searched by police after his place of work, a computer business in Footscray, and a relative’s home in Meadow Heights were inspected on Monday.
On Tuesday morning, the man’s father spoke briefly to media from the front yard of his brick veneer home.
He denied his son would have harmed anyone, and then quickly went back inside, where police are still searching.
“He’s very innocent,” the man’s father said.
A neighbour said the “beautiful family” had lived in the house for at least a decade.
“They’re just lovely, everyday, people,” she said.
The suspect was allegedly planning to shoot and kill as many people as he could in Federation Square.
The man’s father had apologised to her on Tuesday morning for the hassle regarding the arrest.
“I believe he didn’t know anything,” the neighbour said. “I just felt like he was more heartbroken.”
Victoria Police deputy commissioner Shane Patton (left) and AFP assistant commissioner Ian McCartney.
The neighbour arrived home on Monday afternoon after picking up her daughter from school to find eight to 10 police cars lining the street.
“It was quite frightening.”
The 20-year-old man was arrested on the corner of Synnot and Bridge streets in Werribee, which is a shopping area one street behind the suburb’s main retail strip, just after 3pm on Monday.
The owner of Wix Computers in Footscray, where the accused man worked, said 10 to 12 police officers stormed the store on Monday and took a computer, a hard drive and CCTV footage from the shop.
He described the man as a quiet boy who did work experience at the store for about two to three hours at a time, sometimes one or twice a week, sometimes less.
“He was a very, very quiet boy. He never spoke much. It was a shock,” the owner said.
The owner said he had met the young man’s father at a mosque in Hoppers Crossing.
His father wanted him to do work experience so he could go to university next year and eventually get a job in the computer industry.
The young man was in possession of an al-Qaeda guidebook on how to carry out terrorist attacks and is an Islamic State sympathiser, police allege.
“He has accessed documents produced by al-Qaeda Arabian Peninsula … a guidebook in respect to how to commit a terrorist act and also how to use firearms, guns and handguns and rifles,” Mr Patton said.
“He is associated with other persons in the Victorian extremists community … it is a very small community of extremists.
“This is a person who would become particularly energised when overseas events occurred. He expressed a great amount of interest in committing an attack himself.”
Mr Patton reassured the community the man was acting alone and no threats were ongoing.
“We are not looking for any other suspects,” he said.
Authorities are still investigating how the young Werribee man became radicalised, Mr Patton said.
Police do not believe he is linked to any mosques in Melbourne. They would not reveal if his family or friends knew of his intentions….
gravenimage says
They are just “lovely people” who unfortunately want to murder Infidels on their holidays…
Roger says
This is a typical example of ‘The Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing’…Never turn your back on a moslem because you can always trust a moslem to be a moslem. What is wrong with Western Governments?? These rat-bags openly demonstrate their hatred for all things that don’t comply with Islam and Shariah Law and yet they continue to allow this filth to contaminate everything that they touch and put their own people’s safety at risk. All concerned Australians need to make it a condition of their election votes that the Political Party that wins will be making a concerted effort to put out the garbage.
mortimer says
Well expressed, Roger: “‘Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing’. A Lebanese cabinet minister told naïve Canadian Liberals that he himself could not spot a jihadist among ordinary Muslims.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer’s explanation is perfect: “A perfectly ordinary, reasonable, kindly Muslim may one day decide, for any number of reasons, to heed that command (to conduct jihad). One need not have previously been psychotic or deranged to do so.”
This is a fine answer to the OVERGENERALIZATION FALLACY of ‘I know this nice Muslim.’
The hatred of kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’ overrides any personal feelings.
Abu Darda (a close companion of Mohammed’s who learned from Mohammed) said, ‘We smile at certain people (kafirs), while in our hearts we DESPISE THEM.’ Let’s call that KAFIR-O-PHOBIA!
A ‘nice’ Muslim may easily be a very DANGEROUS Muslim. It’s what he is hiding in his heart that may be dangerous … KAFIR-O-PHOBIA!
Mike says
I wonder if they are monitoring the mosque at Hoppers Crossing. I doubt it; it would be racial profiling.
dumbledoresarmy says
Nothing to stop ordinary Islamoaware Aussies making a list of every mosque in their general neighbourhood, and keeping a beady eye on the place. If you live in a town or suburb where, with much fanfare, a mosque has been built.. **watch the bl**dy mohammedan fort-military-base-arsenal-jihad-incitement-andrecruitment centre like a hawk**. Don’t assume the authorities or the local cops are doing so; they’re probably NOT.
dumbledoresarmy says
Pursuant to my posting above.
I would add that if the mosque in your neighbourhood / suburb/ town holds an “Open Day” (i.e Dawa and Disinformation Fest)… then… get a few similarly-Islamoinformed and Islamowary friends together, and go along. Take the opportunity to case the joint. Poke your nose in *everywhere* you possibly can. Carry a concealed camera. Use your instincts: try to get the ‘vibe’ of the place. Where is it? How big is it? How is it located in relation to significant Infidel installations? think of it as a fort/ military base/ gang HQ.
What background are the people? Is it Sunni or Shiite?
The moment you get home, write down all the details.
And.. listen very carefully to whatever spiel they feed any Infidel flies who’ve been silly enough to walk into the spider’s parlour.
Take along a sackful of Barnabas Fund’s “What is Sharia”” (which is very eye-opening) and “Is the Muslim ‘Isa’ the Biblical Jesus?” (answer: NO!!!), with a view to quietly handing them out amongst fellow-infidel attendees, to counter the propaganda they’ve been fed.
Yoda Dunbar says
And of course with this new age of lets kiss every Muslims arse and say how wonderful they are, we had the new crap show called Family food fight finale, and guess who won? of course the Muslim women,
Fools can’t see it is an indoctrination into making us all accept their barbaric beliefs and Sharia Law, won’t be long and out fools will vote One of them in as PM
So many times we read, they were such a nice friendly such and such, it is so out of character, what the idiots can’t see this is the Nature and it will never change
tim gallagher says
I suppose I’ve totally closed my mind to Muslims, and I do mean all of them, years ago, Yoda Dunbar. For example, that TV show, Food Fight, with the MUslims in it, I just wouldn’t watch any of it. I probably wouldn’t watch it (have no interest in the subject matter anyway) but I knew the show would sugar-coat the Muslims and present them as just wonderful people. I saw the adverts for it. I don’t accept the good Muslim garbage at all. They just lie endlessly to us. I know enough of the vile content of their religion such as the hate-filled Koran, to not waste my time listening to Muslims at all. I never have watched that slimy Waleed Ali on his TV show, etc. Basically, I switch channels whenever I see a lying Muslim on the TV news or hear a Muslim speaking crap on the radio. I guess it’s harsh but I’ve made my mind up long ago. They’re always lying to us. I just don’t want them in our country. And here we go again with another Muslim scumbag attempting to murder us non-Muslims. Letting Muslims into any non-Muslim nations has been a disaster. That’s indisputable and predictable. I agree with everything you’ve written above, Yoda. The idiots (such as the media morons sugar-coating Islam) make me sick. Everyone should have woken up long ago.
Yoda Dunbar says
Totally agree, I won’t watch any show with them in it, as I see it all as an indoctrination process, let out a groan when I saw SBS was shoving their crap down out throats, on an Aussie program, running weekly
The Mosque next door, promo had a Musiim wearing our flag, whom my family has fought under and paid some horrific price for frighting them etc in the 1sr and 2nd Wars, and this scumbag has it draped over his shoulder saying we are Aussie as meat pies, lucky I am not a thrower or my TV would have a boot sticking through it lol
Anne Smith says
BBC has already been there and done this with some wretched and very popular cookery competition programme which was won by …………………you guessed it, a Muslima complete with headscarf. She has now been elevated to celebrity status and appears all over the place.
Yoda Dunbar says
Makes us sick, and so many will be saying oh look at how wonderful they are, they are just like us, difference is, they worship an entity who tells them to kill infidels, to commit to Jihad, to mutilate little girls, and for the guys it is ok to rape little boys and girls, throw Gays off buildings etc
This is what they represent, this is who they are, not some happy little Muslimas winning a cooking contest, and you can guarantee it was rigged so they won, all about being an inclusive society, to try and convince the awake and aware people that we are wrong about them. Just a few minutes reading Bare naked Islam and any sensible person would be screaming, kick them all out of Oz
Angry Aussie says
With the Grand Mufti bring a Salafist and dining (but not wining) with the Prime Minister and Opposition Leader, this type of thing is becoming common place and seemingly accepted. So are bollards, halal certified food, and constant reminders that this has nothing to do with Islam and the reminders that Muslims are really the victims. A quick cry from the Muslim community for millions of dollars more towards fictitious “deradicalisation programs”, and we will sit and wait for the next foiled terrorist plot, and again, and again, until one slips through the net.
Personally I reckon watching the Commonwealth Games from your lounge room on television may be more preferable than attending in the flesh.
I used to be opposed to the death penalty. Now I see merit in it pre-trial.
Infidel says
Let me also add: I’m a PROUD HINDU with BROWN skin and equally proud of my culture, my land., my spicy food and all that BUT I’M GOING TO FIGHT AS HELL FOR THE PRESERVATION OF WHITE CULTURE TILL MY LAST BREATH. There are so many white people today, who fight for the preservation of other cultures and exotic tribes and all that.. So why can’t a non=White like me fight for the preservation of white culture within their own lands??? THE GLOBALIST LEFTISTS and their mad Jehaadi cronies can label me whatever they want but I know deep inside that I’m doing the right thing…!!
Vajapeya says
Kudos infidel, all you say i can identify with including the skin type and other aspects of culture like magnificent ancient temples, our ancient classical music, dance forms and our 1000s of languages and the copious literature last not but the least the bedrock of all this the Veda. I care a rats arse for what i am called, even sometimes by well meaning family members who know not that the sword of Damocles is hanging over them.
Infidel says
Vajapeya… Welcome to the same feeling and labeling… I HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY OSTRACISED BY MANY OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS WHO LABEL ME AS A RIGHT WING RACIST AND BIGOT!!! Some even refuse to talk to me!!!
BUT
I CARE 2 HOOTS!!! I love my Hindu culture to death and I also respect WESTERN CULTURE for its tremendous scientific and technical strides and we owe them for what we as Humans have achieved technically 2day. The loss of White civilization will be one of mankind’s greatest loss as much as the loss of our own ancient Hindu civilization..
Leondegrance2 says
“A neighbour said the “beautiful family” had lived in the house for at least a decade.
“They’re just lovely, everyday, people,” she said.”
Breaking news: Muslim neighbour makes excuses for found out muslim jihadist family. *rolls eyes*
Deport the whole street. Ridiculous PC crap continues.
dumbledoresarmy says
No, at least one of the shocked neighbours is not a Muslim, not to go by the name, anyway.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/national-security/melbourne-police-charge-man-with-alleged-new-years-eve-terror-plot/news-story/476a9c4e86be380cd8967dffa7187c42
Melbourne New Year’s Eve terror plot suspect Ali Ali faces court
• The Australian
• 4:24PM November 28, 2017
PIA AKERMAN, MELB.
TESSA AKERMAN
Another neighbour Connie Leone said it was frightening to have a suspected terrorist living in the street.
“They just looked like a normal family, very quiet, very respectable” she said.
“You just don’t know anymore.”
Pet Charles says
I am the point where I don’t believe that Western nations where there was no significant Islamic presence believe that Islam is a threat to national security. Therefore, I say let them kill them. I don’t know how much more evidence is needed for Western nation to stop all Islamic immigration. As long as they refuse to only stop it, but take a zero tolerance position against the ones already in, then I say they deserve what they get. I am tired of reading the same story about attacks and foiled attacks.
Jihadi John says
*_Islam is the Religion of Peace™_* *Cousin marriages* *Homophobia* *Clitoris excision* *Prayer breaks* *Halal slaughter* *Gender segregation* *Wife beating* *Overbreeding* *Burqas* *Illiteracy* *Welfare* *Polygamy* *Censorship* *Rapes* *Honor killings* *Acid attacks* *Sharia courts* *Suicide attacks*
*Suicide attacks* *Riots* *No go zones*
carol says
Islam is also the “religion of Imams”. Per Wikipedia: IMAM is an Islamic leadership position. It is most commonly used as the title of a worship leader of a mosque and Muslim community among Sunni Muslims. In this context, imams may lead Islamic worship services, serve as community leaders, and provide RELIGIOUS GUIDANCE.
It seems when ISIS took sex slaves the best-looking ones were picked out and sent to Raqqa. Sheikhs got first pick.of course but next in line were the dispensers of “religious guidance” – the IMAMS.
Then the common fellows got to fight over the remains. SUCH an inspiring “religion”.
Sarah says
“Victoria Police deputy commissioner Shane Patton said the man, an Australian-born Muslim with Somali parents.”
Oh can they stop with this sly inference that ‘hey, he’s Australian too!’. He is a Somali POS who was born to Somali parents, living in a Somali household, hanging around with Somali kids growing up, spending all his time away from school hanging out with the Somali community in Australia.
That is not an Australian. Its a goddamn Somalian living in Australia. Its as simple as that.
And don’t go telling me that its a beautiful family when the POS father of this scumbag came out and denied that his son was a bad guy.
Deport the ferals. They bring nothing but welfare dependence, disease, violence, corruption and goddamn Islam to our nation.
dumbledoresarmy says
“Oh can they stop with this sly inference that ‘hey, he’s Australian too!’. He is a Somali POS who was born to Somali parents, living in a Somali household, hanging around with Somali kids growing up, spending all his time away from school hanging out with the Somali community in Australia.
That is not an Australian. Its a goddamn Somalian living in Australia. Its as simple as that.”
“Oh can they stop with this sly inference that ‘hey, he’s Australian too!’. He is a MUSLIM POS [he might just as easily have been of Turkish, or Bosniak, or Albanian, or Pakistani, or Bengali, or Indonesian, or Persian ethnicity, but Muslim ideology; or a white-Aussie *or* black-Aussie CONVERT – dda] who was born to MUSLIM parents, living in a MUSLIM household, hanging around with MUSLIM kids growing up, spending all his time away from school hanging out with the MUSLIM colony in Australia.
That is not an Australian. Its a goddamn MUSLIM INVADER living in Australia. Its as simple as that.”
His being Somali is totally irrelevant. What’s relevant is his Islam.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
Overman says
“Police do not believe he is linked to any mosques in Melbourne. They would not reveal if his family or friends knew of his intentions”
Why wouldn’t they reveal this? Obviously there are friends and family who did know.
dumbledoresarmy says
Y’know, I’d surprise-raid-and-search all the damn mosques *anyway*. Beginning with whatever mosque/s he and/ or his parents, other relatives, friends, employer and any other associates attend/ed.
And I agree with you that it’s highly probable that his friends-and-family DID know.
Helen says
He has been associating with a small group of extremists yet they say he was on his own with this. Bullshit – how does a young Australian who has to do work experience in a computer shop to get into Uni find out where to access what he needs to commit this atrocities. The website address just pops into his head? He just suddenly wakes up hating the general Australian public? Goes from being a good boy to a wanna be mass murderer overnight? I want answers What extremists and what Mosque and cultural centre has he been frequenting. Who has influenced this young man and why? The Australian public have a right to know.
dumbledoresarmy says
Who influenced him?
His parents brought him up in Islam. That alone was sufficient to ‘prime’ him for Jihad.
tim gallagher says
I agree, dumbledoresarmy. As far as I can see, the basic content of Islam is full of neverending calls for murderous violence against non-Muslims. So any serious type of Muslim is a definite and obvious danger to us. Basic Islam, and his Muslim family environment, would be enough to deform him and create an evil monster. That’s why I believe the only answer is to stop Muslims getting into any non-Muslim nation. They’re all a danger. Of course, as Helen says, by all means look closely at the associations this scumbag has, and hammer them, but just basic evil Islam is enough to explain the mass murder the piece of Muslim garbage was aiming to commit. Unfortunately, we are already stuck with far too many Muslims and stuck with the trouble they’ll inevitably cause over and over again. What a bloody disaster. And we still can’t get most of our politicians and media types to wake up. Such hopeless slow learners.
dumbledoresarmy says
From the article – “He’s very innocent,” the man’s father said.””
The man’s father is using Islamspeak. All devout sharia-compliant Muslims – like his damnable and accursed mass-murder-minded son, who was getting ready to butcher Infidels wholesale – are “innocent”. Because they are devout sharia-compliant Muslims. Everyone who is not a Muslim – and everyone who is not sufficiently sharia-compliant, even if Muslim – is NOT innocent… they are GUILTY, they are either kuffar or apostate, and they are prey animals.
More – “A neighbour said the “beautiful family” had lived in the house for at least a decade.
“They’re just lovely, everyday, people,” she said.”
I’d like to know whether this ‘neighbour’ is mohammedan or non-mohammedan.
If mohammedan she is using doublespeak. A murder-minded sharia-compiiant family with a devout jihad-waging son IS a ‘lovely, everyday ” mohamedan family…
If non-Mohammedan she is simply a naive fool. She knows nothing about muruna, ‘blending in’. She knows nothing about taqiyya – or about mudarat. She knows nothing about “war is deceit”. She knows nothing about the ubiquity and multiplicity of deceit in Islam, deceit deployed to protect Islam and to ‘do down’ the dirty and despised Infidels, of which she is one.
dumbledoresarmy says
I looked up another article about this case. The neighbour who was burbling on about “they’re just lovely, everyday people”, is a non-Muslim. Very definitely has a non-Muslim name.
So she’s naive and uninformed/ ill-informed.
dumbledoresarmy says
And he was, of course, a “quiet” boy. They’re all ‘quiet’ in these post-plot or post-attack reports..
“The owner of Wix Computers in Footscray, where the accused man worked, said 10 to 12 police officers stormed the store on Monday and took a computer, a hard drive and CCTV footage from the shop.
(Nota bene – 10 to 12 police officers. Aussie cops have learned that in dealing with mohammedans speed and the deployment of overwhelming force is always advisable. – dda)
“He described the man as a quiet boy who did work experience at the store for about two to three hours at a time, sometimes one or twice a week, sometimes less.
“He was a very, very quiet boy. He never spoke much. It was a shock,” the owner said.”
Oh, suuuuuuure you’re shocked! shocked! – dda
**The owner said he had met the young man’s father at a mosque in Hoppers Crossing.**
Hmmmm. So the owner of this “computer store” is a Mohammedan, as well? i wouldn’t trust a word he says. I hope the police are taking a good long look at *him*, and his shop, and all his business dealings and his associates. I hope they took sniffer dogs to search his business premises. – dda
“His father wanted him to do work experience so he could go to university next year and eventually get a job in the computer industry…”.
Yeah, go to university, do Campus Dawa, maybe a spot of Marriage Jihad, and then… infiltration, subversion and … cyber-sabotage…. But the young man got impatient, and wanted to do Jihad the old-fashioned, bloody, spectacular way, with bodies and blood all over the streets.
gravenimage says
“Quiet” in this context usually just means he would not speak to “filthy Infidels”.
dumbledoresarmy says
From the article (I clicked on the link and went and read the rest of it).
“…The couple had toiled to ensure their children could go to the private Al-Taqwa College, an Islamic school in Truganina.”
He didn’t go to a standard-Aussie secular school. He didn’t get a standard-Aussie secular education.
He **went to a Muslim school**.
A Muslim ‘faith’ school… which is not in any way shape or form, CANNOT be in any way shape or form, like a Jewish college, or a Catholic or Anglican or Lutheran college. Because everything we’ve found out about Muslim-run schools, Muslim ‘faith schools’, is that they pickle the students in Islam.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali told the authorities in the Netherlands.. in the UK.. in the USA,,, AND, if I recall correctly, in *Australia*, to boot – that they ought not to permit Muslim ‘faith schools’, schools owned and run as ‘religious’ schools. She argued that they were uniquely dangerous, in a way that *other* – say Christian, say Jewish- ‘faith schools’ were NOT.
Methinks that this ‘Al-Taqwa College’ needs to be surprise-raided and searched. by Army sappers, with sniffer dogs. Every inch of the buildings and grounds. And it might be interesting to try to find out what was *really* taught there. What books are in the library? What videos? Who finances this ‘college’? Might be an idea to look into the finances… other Islamic schools, in Australia, have proven to have very dodgy finances.
David M says
I know for a fact Islamic schools in Australia receive federal government funding, so our taxes are paying for this.
gravenimage says
See what this Madrassa was teaching.
Badger says
This man’s family home should be destroyed. It should be government policy.
gravenimage says
Why should Australians have to destroy homes in their own country? Just deport the damn squatting Muslims.