University of Waterloo Sociology professor Lorne Dawson thinks jihadists can be rehabilitated because they are “disillusioned and traumatized.” Dawson displays an appalling insensitivity to the millions of victims who have experienced the real trauma of abuses, torture and murder inflicted upon them by jihadists. Dawson states:
No credible expert in the world thinks you arrest your way out of jihadist radicalization — it’s a social movement..You can’t possibly arrest all the people who are engaged with this ideology.
Dawson makes a silly, general, sweeping claim in an attempt to divert attention away from returning Islamic State fighters to Canada, who should face consequences for their war crimes, have their citizenship revoked and be kept safely away from the public. Murderers who are locked up in maximum security jails are child’s play compared to jihadists who have engaged in the cruelest, unimaginable atrocities against innocent people in their war of conquest.
No one has mentioned arresting “all” jihadists everywhere, as Dawson insinuates; nor is jihad merely a “social movement,” as he describes it. Jihadists are governed by a fascist, supremacist, expansionist ideology with a 1,400-year history of bloody conquest and oppression. Today, political Islam is the fundamental law of powerful states such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, of course, funds the spread of the Wahhabi ideology globally, to which Islamic State jihadis rigidly adhere.
Lorne Dawson also frivolously dismisses the idea that returning Islamic State fighters are already in Canada. He says:
If there’s 30, 40 more, we’d be really astounded that we haven’t heard something.
Brow-raising naivete. Since Dawson “would be really astounded” by not hearing about a few dozen jihadists, he may well pass out at the recent announcement by Britain’s M15 that up to 23,000 jihadists are running free in the UK, not the 3,000 previously thought. It was also announced that Germany lost track of 600,000 asylum seekers, among which are an unknown number of Islamic State jihadists.
Professor Boaz Ganor of the International Policy Institute for Counter Terrorism is clearly more knowledgeable than Dawson. He warns that “it is practically impossible to uproot those ideas in their heads,” referring to the jihad ideology. For any rehab program to work, there must be a willingness for the participant to change. Jihadis deem themselves to be heroes and zealously pursue martyrdom, which comes with plaudits and paradisal awards beyond this world.
Less than a year ago, France’s deradicalization program was declared a failure after it wasted tens of millions of taxpayer euros. It was found that “deradicalization, either in prisons or the centers… does not work because the great majority of Islamic fundamentalists do not want to be deradicalized.”
The London Tube jihad bomber attended a deradicalization program.
Lorne Dawson is in way over his head, and if his “expertise” is heeded, Canada will be in deep trouble. And indeed, Canada just announced its plan to try to reintegrate “foreign terrorist travelers,” at the expense of public safety and taxpayer dollars.
“Terrorist travellers can be rehabilitated, leading expert insists”, by Jim Bronskill, The Canadian Press, November 26, 2017:
OTTAWA — A leading researcher on terrorist travellers says returnees to Canada can be rehabilitated, since those who come back to their home countries are often disillusioned or traumatized.
Others feel they have done their duty to defend Muslim lands and want to lead a more normal life, says Lorne Dawson, a sociology professor at the University of Waterloo and project director for the Canadian Network for Research on Terrorism, Security and Society.
As forces of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant scatter, the Liberal government is under pressure to explain what it’s doing to contain any threat from foreign fighters returning to Canada.
The Conservatives have peppered the government with questions in the House of Commons about ensuring the safety of Canadians — accusing the Liberals of welcoming returnees with open arms.
Dawson says simply locking up extremist travellers is not the answer.
“No credible expert in the world thinks you arrest your way out of jihadist radicalization — it’s a social movement,” he said Sunday in an interview. “You can’t possibly arrest all the people who are engaged with this ideology.”
The Canadian Security Intelligence Service has said it is aware of 180 individuals with a nexus to Canada who are suspected of terrorist activity abroad. This could involve front-line fighting, training, logistical support, fundraising or studying at extremist-influenced schools.
Half of these individuals are believed to have travelled to Syria or Iraq.
The intelligence service has also noted a further 60 extremist travellers who have returned to Canada.
But there appears to be scant information about who they are — and what threat they might pose.
Dawson says his researchers know of about a dozen jihadist returnees to Canada from the Syrian-Iraqi conflict.
“If there’s 30, 40 more, we’d be really astounded that we haven’t heard something,” he said.
“I think there’s some kind of confusion going on.”
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale says the shifting dynamic in Syria and Iraq has the government watching for more extremist-inspired activity on the internet as well as working with allies to track the movements of foreign fighters.
“Where will they go? Will they migrate to Northern Africa? Will they try to get into Europe?” Goodale said during an interview with CTV Question Period broadcast on Sunday.
Prosecuting battlefield returnees to Canada is difficult because there must be evidence that will stand up in court, Goodale said. “And this is an issue that is bedevilling countries around the world in terms of how you actually move from intelligence to evidence, and make a case stick.”
He said the chances of turning around someone who has actively engaged in terrorist activities in a war zone were “pretty remote”.
Dawson disagrees.“I think it is possible you could rehabilitate them,” he said. “But only with a very careful effort, which we’re not well-equipped for in Canada right now.”…
Bev says
All I can say to Canada, who is too blind to see what is happening in Europe, good luck with the Jihad that’s headed your way.
Linda says
I think a lot of us see what’s happening in Europe, but it has been my experience that you can’t tell a Liberal anything because they think they know it all, so Justin Trudeau in all his arrogance is going to go ahead with his globalist plans anyway. He doesn’t care. It won’t be him or his family that will be hurt when the jihad comes to Canada.
Benedict says
Justin Trudeau has seen the Trudopia for the world. It’s a Zoo where all the animals live and eat together in a garden without fences:
“for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of” Justin Trudeau “as the waters cover the sea.”
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yea, and verily, we shall all beat our bow-tied gun barrels into yoga mats, and the Dhimmi shall sit down with the Jihadi in peace and security, and Canada shall be no more”
“All Hail Justin, All Hail Justin, All Hail Justin”
p bay says
with a bit of luck, its possible. remember the muslims shooting at the former PM…
Skeptic Sam says
All our politicians are blind in Canadastan, they want diversity and multiculturism.
Bob says
I thought trudea was the idiot
Jim says
Oh if only professor Lorne Dawson was disillusioned of his leftist dogma.
“What a maroon!” (attributed to Bugs Bunny)
Parker says
Experts?
Parker says
Fools
Jim says
A perfect example of the difference between intelligence and intellectualism on display. Intelligence is rooted in common sense, based on wisdom learned through experience. It is functional. Intellectualism, on the other hand, has nothing to do with reality, with how the world really works. It flourishes in the hothouse of the ivory tower, and behind gated walls, away from the real world. It is based solely on theory, rather than reality. It’s favorite exercise is to use highfalutin words to obfuscate it’s lack of common sense, to create a cloak of superior intellect to hide its idiocy.
Frankz says
I’m not even sure their fellow travellers can be rehabilitated.
endislam says
Rehabilitated like the jihadi woman that walked into a Canadian Tire and started beating people armed with a bat and other things? Another leftist University sicko.
samdav7 says
Of course if you question a returning terrorist he’s gonna tell you what you want to hear .. it’s called “Taqiah” lies deceit lies deceit .. if Lorne Dawson knows 1% about Islam he would’ve known that rehabilitating Muslims means turning them 180 degrees against their religion .. they consider their religion as their identity .. therefore it’s a no-go zone .. if there was any hope in the world for rehabilitating Muslims it would’ve happened at least once in the last 1400 years !
Unlike Canada .. in Australia, the law is clear and firm .. if you’re engaged in any terrorist activity overseas, you will land in court and serve long-term imprisonment.
Mick Bertrand says
It would be easier to just send all of them back to where they came from whether they are men,women or children. They don’t want to change to adapt to their host country and seem very demanding whether it is their clothing or Halal methods of slaughtering of meat. They expect us to change our ideals for them which should not happen under any circumstances.
Santa Voorhees says
“No credible expert in the world thinks you arrest your way out of jihadist radicalization”
In fact, you don’t arrest them. You just raid their homes and kill them on the spot. A bullet or two is much less expensive and more secure than jailing and maintaining them with taxpayers’ money.
And then the “Terrorist travellers” term is ridiculous. Terrorists shouldn’t even travel in the first place.
Cornelius says
If these JIhadis are “:disillusioned and traumatized” as the good Professor insists,….it is only because of their military defeats on the battlefield….and it is a disillusionment and trauma that could readily motivate them into terrorist reprisals here at home.
But the Professor is right about one thing….Jihadism is indeed a “social movement”….with broad sociological ramifications. Of course, it is a social movement predicated on religious obligation…but how nice to see a leftist “expert” inadvertently repudiate the “tiny minority of extremists” narrative.
mortimer says
Agree. “Jihadism…is a social movement predicated on religious obligation.”
Indeed, it is. Jihad is an ‘ESSENTIAL TEACHING’ (usul ud-deen) of Islam… a compulsory obligation. All Muslims must believe and practice JIHAD or they will not enter Islamic paradise.
p bay says
unless a woman kills them, or they encounter pork
Westman says
“I think it is possible you could rehabilitate them,”…..”But only with a very careful effort, which we’re not well-equipped for in Canada right now.” – project director for the Canadian Network for Research on Terrorism, Security and Society.
Translation: Give me me more money and a new government agency. By the time Canada realizes the idea was a failure from the beginning, I’ll be retired on a nice pension.
“possible” – a weasel word used by politicians to deflect blame after failure, as in, “I only said I thought it was possible.”
LeftisruiningCanada says
bingo. more government to the rescue!
p bay says
possible, not probable
mortimer says
The Nazi perpetrators of crimes against humanity were locked up for 20 years or they died at the end of a rope.
These Islamic perpetrators should be deprogrammed right out of Islam or there is the chance they will return to jihad and/or convince others to follow in their footsteps.
gravenimage says
“Deprogrammed”–exactly what this “leading expert” is claiming…
George says
The only way they can actually be rehabilitated is by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Repent and turn to Christ….the only way anyone can be truly rehabilitated.
JOSEPH says
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!
HE is the way, the truth and the light.
well said George. To fight Satan you have to use the best weapon in the arsenal.
Death works too but first they have to be given a chance at everlasting life VS eternal torment, pain and suffering.
p bay says
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
p bay says
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
LeftisruiningCanada says
Have to agree. The evil goes all the way to the bottom of our fallen natures, and only the Master Physician can fix that.
mortimer says
HERE IS THE KEY PARAGRAPH BY CHRISTINE:
“Professor Boaz Ganor of the International Policy Institute for Counter Terrorism is clearly more knowledgeable than Dawson. He warns that “it is practically impossible to uproot those ideas in their heads,” referring to the jihad ideology. For any rehab program to work, there must be a willingness for the participant to change. Jihadis deem themselves to be heroes and zealously pursue martyrdom, which comes with plaudits and paradisal awards beyond this world.”
This is exactly correct… it is almost impossible… but it is possible to deflate, challenge, undermine and debunk Islamic beliefs. This must be the approach of deprogrammers… a very determined academic program of debunking Islam so that NO ONE in free countries will be able to take Islam seriously as we today do not take AZTEC HUMAN SACRIFICE RELIGIONS seriously.
Mike says
Arrests and lead therapy *are* the way out of this mess.
You can’t arrest / lead therapy ALL of them, but you can get the WORST of them, and that gets the phenomena under control.
Almost by definition, those who left Canada to go join ISIS abroad are among the worst of them. There may be individual cases where it makes sense to pass up on prosecution, but as a general rule, that’s what should be done.
And get this: it should be done EVEN IF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE NO LONGER PERSONALLY DANGEROUS. Why? Because it’ll discourage others from joining.
p bay says
Trudeau is engaging in the same experiment the liberals did in Detroit and Flint.
MFritz says
“No credible expert in the world thinks you arrest your way out of jihadist radicalization”
He ACTUALLY said that?!
It’s the same brain rot you see in the US where state attourneys release black criminals and mayors reduce police patrols in crime riddled places of cities with the same – lame – excuse: “We cannot arrest our way out of it.”
YES, you CAN. But it’s only the beginning. The criminal CULTURE/IDEOLOGY that empowers these people has TO GO too. And if the special minority status only leads to its constant abuse it has to be REMOVED.
Tjhawk says
I agree that a significant number of muslims could be deprogrammed if NOBODY outside of the ummah gave islam any respect at all. If the rest of the planet held up islam as ridiculous and violent instead of giving it the false and undeserved respect it receives today, many normal people who had the misfortune of being born into islamic culture might abandon it.
Look at Japan. Our war with them wasn’t really over with the dropping of the A-bombs. The war wasn’t really over until we took their emperor god and made him admit public ally that the emperor had no clothes.
A good place to start would be to eliminate all Saudi or Qutari etc. funded Middle East Studies Programs. Get off the tit. Put in place fact based programs that tell the whole story, then let students decide if islam deserves the respect it’s given. How could anybody armed with knowledge have any respect for mo and islam??
I know this is probably just my fantasy.
LeftisruiningCanada says
’tis a far far better fantasy than the one our lefty politicians live in
jim patterson says
i always wonder why people try to get around identifying where the call of jihad comes from.
PM Erdogan said it most succinctly in 2007 when he said that there is no moderate islam, there is no radical islam, there is only islam.
p bay says
Its called “the call to prayer”
St. Manuel Palailogos says
Terrorists apologists like this dhimmi fool should be “rehabilitated”
brane pilot says
People who spew this nonsense do so because it is the job they are paid to do.
Everyone needs a job.
p bay says
Linda Sarsour wants it banned, along with CAIR
Voytek Gagalka says
Oh, they are “disillusioned and traumatized” all right: by living between kuffar and be subjugated to their rule (absolute anathema under Islam). Their “trauma” is thus expressed by them in their sinister activity in desire to change that system for full sharia. Nothing can alter that “disillusionment and trauma” of theirs: not any “rehabilitation,” not any incentive cohorts of stupefied kuffar can offer (nothing short of their total submission that is). In fact, to even dream about that this is possible is the sort of incurable myopia on part of all those “experts” and authorities.
Phil Copson says
As Goodale has no problems with returning jihadis and thinks that there are only “30 or 40” of them, then the solution is simple; these guys are all used to living six or eight to a room, so he can have them all round at his place and be responsible for them.
If everyone who favours mass immigration had to provide food, clothing and accommodation for their new pets, the whole civilisational experiment would have been called-off within the first three months.
Phil Copson says
Apologies – that should have read “Dawson” not “Goodale” – let’s lay the blame at the right door….
Nabi says
Merely yet another Fake enshrined and empowered by Fake Education to appropriate for himself a Fake Expertise.
LeftisruiningCanada says
““I think there’s some kind of confusion going on.””
We can all agree with that sentiment.
gravenimage says
+1
Pablo says
I can assure you that “real” law enforcement personnel are laughing at this Pseudo Intellect.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yeah, he needs to face the evil in person sometime, like law enforcement do every day on the job.
Nabi says
Ha! Allies are sure gonna be eager to ‘share’ info with Canuckbrains. Have you seen Trudeau’s cabinet, just for starters. (Not to mention his Ramadan socks).
DRHazard says
Another idiot claiming to be an expert on Islam and Muslims but is in fact completely clueless. This imbecile wouldn’t hold Muslims accountable for their own actions until they kill his children, and maybe even not then.
p bay says
He never read the koran. He just knows whats in it
Troybeam says
When he speaks you can hear the marbles rolling inside his head, there is no rehab for any part of Islam.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“University of Waterloo Sociology professor Lorne Dawson thinks jihadists can be rehabilitated …”
He’s correct. It’s called lead (Pb) therapy.
Custos Custodum says
HVPPI (high velocity Pb pellet implantation) has shown definite promise.
p bay says
those who can’t do, teach
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
+1
those who can’t do, teach …. incorrectly
gravenimage says
Canada: “Leading expert” insists that jihad “terrorist travellers” can be rehabilitated
“I think it is possible you could rehabilitate them,” he said. “But only with a very careful effort, which we’re not well-equipped for in Canada right now.”…
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I see–so just letting them murder Canadians in the meantime is OK? *Ugh*.
Canada and the rest of the West should not let these Jihadists back in.
p bay says
A frontal lobotomy works, or a complete vaccine series
Edgar Allan says
THE ONLY HOPE OF CHANGING THEIR MINDS IS TO SHOW THEM THAT ISLAM IS FALSE, THAT MUHAMMAD LIED, THAT HE WAS A HYPOCRITE, THAT HE CHANGED HIS PRONOUNCEMENTS DEPENDING ON THE NEED OF THE MOMENT. SHOW THEM THE NUMEROUS MISTAKES IN THE KORAN. SHOW THEM WHERE KORAN COPIED FROM TALMUD, WHICH IS A HUMAN BOOK, NOT DIVINE. ANY TRUE DE-RADICALIZATION HAS TO BE TOTAL DE-ISLAMIZATION, OR DISCREDITING MUHAMMAD. ANYTHING LESS WILL NEVER WORK.
p bay says
don’t waste your time with delusional people. They simply say “you MADE them do that…”
Custos Custodum says
You mean MI5 (mi 5).
Eric says
Jihad is a political/ military movement. It must be treated as such. If returning jihadist cause violence in Canada how long will it be before it spills over into the USA. It may shock many on the Left to know that we actually share a long border with Canada. How long will it be before we have to build a wall on the USA/Canadian border?
I am certain that is ivory tower sociologist has not done ant field work with these returning jihadist; that is in person interviews and other fact gathering methods. This sociologist would not put himself in danger to be in the physical presence of these returning jihadist. Yet its okay for the general public to be in danger. I guarantee that the returning jihadist will not be living in any proximity to this sociologist. These so called experts should be exposed to the same dangers that we in the public are exposed to.
Eric
John Forbes says
THIS IDIOT & HIS CRAZY OPINIONS WOULD NOT MATTER & ACTUALLY BE GOOD FOR A LAUGH IF ONLY HE WERE DEALING WITH PEOPLE ELSEWHERE!
HOWEVER, HE IS POSSIBLE GOING TO TRY TO DEAL WITH REAL RELIGIOUS NUTTERS WHO BECAME INITIAL NUTTERS IN CANADA & THIS INBESILE BELIEVES HE CAN REVERSE THIS IN CANADA ??
HARD TO EVEN TRY TO DESCRIBE NUTTERS LIKE THIS SO CALLED- EXPERT!
STILL BE INTERESTING OVER TIME TOO SEE HOW THIS WORKS OUT!
p bay says
You can’t fix stupid. I would not leave my kids with that one.
Islam cannot co-exist and WILL be under sharia law.. Too bad all the people who will be maimed and mutilated because this sociopath refuses truth
Mindy Robinson says
Hand him over to some jihadis. These monsters are doing just what the unholy quran teaches. The book is from hell , mohammed was a demon and the monsters obey the beast.
LeftisruiningCanada says
That sentence has a good ring to it.
Mike says
Rape beheading and mass murder…they will be executed along with their sympathizers aka liberals and academics.
Valkyrie Ziege says
; What makes those those compiling with Muhammadanism think that they, and their families, won’t end up as “Chinese” Gordon did?
Kaos says
Hmmm, the stupid is strong in this one! Ok, throughout the history of mankind I do not think there has been one case where a sexual deviant has been “cured”. It’s a mental disorder. Take a look at how these animals treat women and children. They are sexual deviants for God’s sakes! Now try and rehabilitate that. It hasn’t been done, so really the only way to stop this suicidal tendency we have with these mental midgets is to STOP ALLOWING THEM INTO OUR BLOODY COUNTRY! And I mean all of them. If you have 2500 smarties and 25 are poison are you going to still eat the smarties? Well, I guess this guy and our river rat guide in Ottawa would. As a side note, maybe Trump could “tweet” to the river rat guide when he “tweets” England’s May about islamic terrorism. Hey, river rat, get off soro’s dick!
gravenimage says
Hmmm, the stupid is strong in this one!
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Brilliant line!
UNCLE VLADDI says
That’s right Lorne: Canada is such a tiny country that we don’t have room to jail a mere 240 jihadis here in our igloos. (SARC)!
And islam isn’t an “ideology” beyond that of CRIME.
We have no problem jailing white criminals, so your resistance must be due to inherent liberal racism, always giving all the liberal-presumed mentally inferior swarthy people of colour a pass as helpless “victims” of the oppression they feel they suffer when confused by the liberal-presumed mentally superior whites!
Meanwhile, your cowardly Virtue-signalling of your pious PITY of all self-determined criminals as “fellow victims” doesn’t usually cost you anything, (although it sure costs the real victims of the criminals one thereby defends) as opposed to the risk of personal and professional harm that comes with exhibits of righteous ANGER against criminals in the hope of ending their crimes.
But in the end, which strategy is effective at solving problems and ending crimes – pitying and coddling criminals and so enabling them to commit even more crimes, or getting angry and opposing them?
The answer is obvious, but the motto of criminal negligents everywhere is
“There’s No Money In Solutions (so Please Give Generously, AGAIN!)”
And hadn’t you heard?! Being angry at (“hateful” towards) criminals is now the most vile sin, while pitying (“tolerating”) them all as “fellow victims,” is to be deemed the highest moral virtue, these days!
So much so, that the only advice we hear from “our” hypocrite governments, their pet media, and the corporazi globalist banksters who own them all, seems to invariably be:
“Anyone who doesn’t automatically pity all criminals as fellow victims should be hated!”
Which is why hurting the feelings of criminals by accusing them of their crimes, is now a “hateful” crime itself!
shoehorn says
*the head-chopper whisperer*
Brian says
keep this ignorant “professor” away from my children and my friends children. He is a dangerous fool.
Brian says
i agree we cannot arrest our way out of thier uncivilized behaviors – so the solution terminate them.