“Churches are closed, the Coptic Christians are being attacked and their property destroyed, and there is no deterrent. The Copts always pay the price of this coexistence, not the aggressors. The reactions of officials are disappointing, and when there is any dispute or an attack, the first alternative is to close the church and put pressure only on the Copts with impunity for the aggressors.”
Coexistence! This is what it looks like in Egypt.
“Horror as 1,000-strong mob attacks CHURCH forcing Christians to lock themselves inside,” by Joey Millar, Express, November 18, 2017 (thanks to David):
CHRISTIANS were forced to lock the doors of their church for their own safety as a furious mob launched an attack on the building as tensions continue to soar in Egypt.
More than 1,000 people gathered outside a recently-renovated Coptic church in Mina, Egypt, to intimidate and threaten those inside.
Police were called on October 26 and the doors of the Saint George Church, as well as the on-site children’s nursery, was bolted shut for defence.
Despite the aggression of the crowd, it was the Copts who were held responsible for the incident.
The heads of the Coptic congregation in the area were forced into attending a peace meeting, which aimed to stop the conflict between the group and the local Muslim community.
A source close to the church said: “Copts had to agree to the reconciliation that will be held this evening in the village hall. A written agreement was presented that indicated a framework of friendliness, love and brotherhood.
“A reconciliation and waiver of all records between the two sides must be signed, including a ‘non-provoke crisis’ clause.”
The “non-provoke clause” is particularly controversial, with critics saying it backs up attempts to close down the Coptic churches by sinister means.
In the week leading up to the church re-opening, flyers were posted across the area with taunting messages apparently written by Coptic leaders.
One said: “We re-opened the church against your will!”
However local Coptic leaders say the messages were written by Muslims in an attempt to stir up anger at their church.
It is just the latest in a long list of incidents in which Copts in Egypt were threatened.
Last month four churches in Mina, including the re-furbished one, were closed after furious locals launched vicious attacks on worshippers, emboldened by a lack of police support.
The Coptic leader in the region said authorities were doing nothing to bring those responsible to justice.
Anba Macarius said: “Churches are closed, the Coptic Christians are being attacked and their property destroyed, and there is no deterrent.
“The Copts always pay the price of this coexistence, not the aggressors.
“The reactions of officials are disappointing, and when there is any dispute or an attack, the first alternative is to close the church and put pressure only on the Copts with impunity for the aggressors.”…
R Russell says
Wont be long till this sort of thing happens in the West.
Can’t help thinking about Niemoller
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
mortimer says
Agree. Western church leaders, bishops and moderators and mega-church pastors should prepare for Christmas and Easter attacks that ARE COMING! Muslims have told us and told us REPEATEDLY how much the HATE the Feast of the Incarnation of God (Christmas) and the Feast of the Resurrection (the greatest miracle of Christ).
They wish to destroy these two amazing proofs of the truth of Christianity and falsehood of Mohammedanism.
Be very sure: MUSLIMS HATE CHRISTMAS PASSIONATELY … or they should since Christmas is 100% SHIRK which is the worst sin in Islam.
R Russell says
Yes, but foolish deceived Christians in the West invite them to these celebrations and allow them to read the Koran.
In the UK the bishop was upset that people objected to the Koran reading on epiphany of all days, stating God doesn’t have a son.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/753180/koran-passage-sung-st-mary-episcopal-cathedral-glasgow-arabic-scottish-church-service-god
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bishop-scotland-church-episcopal-david-chillingworth-muslim-student-jesus-christ-quran-church-a7528541.html
No wonder we are beginning to see judgment in our land.
J D S says
Long past, the Western ,so called Christian world, armed or not, should have put a stop to what has happened to the CHRISTIANS, in the mid east…..But wait… Jesus Christ, over 2000 years ago, predicted the persecution of his followers…So maybe the persecution could not be stopped…But the question to be answered WILL BE…Did we even try to stop it.
gravenimage says
At the *very* least, we should be offering asylum to persecuted Christians here.
Mo says
“Despite the aggression of the crowd, it was the Copts who were held responsible for the incident.”
The gall of these Christians. How dare they continue to exist!
john vieira says
Aye !!! Their ‘theologians(?)’ are so dense they cannot come to grips with the fact that for over 1400 years they have condemned themselves to HELL as their “holy(?)” book exhorts them to break the 2nd of the two Great Commandments….
Dawn says
We are told that Muslims are harassed and killed more and that Islam is a religion of peace . What a load of you know what. I have a friend who is married to a Egyptian Muslim and all she ever says we need to accommodate them. The Syrian refugees are brought to our shores hut what about the Christians who are percecuted every day
762x51FMJ says
The immigration policy of all free countries, should prohibit citizens from entering from any Country that refuses to allow the open practice of ALL religions, and Countries who refuse to protect and fight against religious persecution of ANY kind.
In Saudi Arabia 2017 the public display of any religion other than Islam is prohibited, Severe penalties exist for all foreigners if caught in possession of more than one bible for personal use. Not a single Church can be built. But they are funding Mosque construction in the USA..
In Mauritania and Mali today 2017, children are tied to posts for sale in the village squares. African sex slaves for transport to to the middle east.. Meanwhile Black Lives Matter protests how racist it is in the USA.
In South Sudan farmers are marauded by the Nomadic Islamic tribes who specialize in kidnapping the children and massacring everyone else. This scenario is replicated in many other countries in Africa and Asia today in 2017.
Islamic dominated countries have an Achilles Heel. The naval and border blockade. Located in the vast deserts of Africa, Middle East and Asia,
they are nomadic and when water, food and luxuries run short.. they panic,
then a short period of barbarism is followed by civil war.
A familiar occurrence that replays over and over is the history of the tragic apocalypse known as Islam
M says
Why have we not brought middle eastern Christians to resettle here? Instead, thousands of Somali monsters and all kinds of hate preaching islamofacists. It’s some kind of plan…its too crazy to import terrorists that hate us unless there is some plan.
Just saying that I sound like a conspiracy nut but what is happening, our communities being seeded with people who openly hate us (and then are protected while they secretly preach death and their wish to destroy us, take over and kill Jews and “infidels”) makes no sense. This is not about helping people or diversity. We do not need hateful zero skill immigrants. (From places with tuberculosis!)
There is a world of hard working people who would come here and be HAPPY. (Mexicans, Indians…) But we import miserable barbarians??!?
We have veterans who need housing but these immigrants get fast tracked into housing.
Muslims hate everything we like (freedom, bikinis, beer, dogs, music, bacon, civil rights….) What the hell are the doing here? How can people fail to recognize the insanity woven into Islam?
FGM? Covering women in bags? Taquiyya? Constant agitating and disruption and complaining? Zero gratitude or respect. Then the hypocritical liberals act like the muslims are saints while Islam hates gays….the liberals never notice that contradiction. Liberals scream about gays trans lgbt stuff and at the same time defend slave trading FGM promoting hatemongers who hate gays and oppress women. (Actual oppression, not microagressions… )
liberals never mention the Copts. They are too busy defending Palestinian terrorists. Bizarre.
Muslims need to look at their “religion” and ask why everywhere it goes it drags chaos and misery with it. Why be connected with a group whose “fringe elements” suicide bomb and kill? The “extremists” use the same book “moderate” Muslims use. Why wouldn’t a normal person say hey, maybe I was raised in this but now I see that it is false and vile and then leave it and find a religion that is ACTUALLY about peace?
And don’t say there are Christian fundamentalists who take the bible and use it as an excuse for hate. Look at the world. It is ONLY Islam that actively preaches a supremacist hate ideology about taking over the world and killing anyone who disagrees. Who else even has the concept of taquiyya except gangs of devious criminals?
I remember when Islam was not an issue. If Islam USED to be somewhat normal, something happened and its not anymore. Now it is a cult. And it is incompatible with freedom and peace. There is too much potential for it to go horribly wrong even when it simmers along “moderately”. Why do they cling to it unless they LIKE the terror and insanity in it? That seems to be a fair question.
Muslims need to reexamine what they are doing and thinking. The idea of a supremacist cult bent on killing anyone who disagrees with them is naziism all over again. I don’t hate anyone because they are Muslim. I consider them deluded and misled and I am entitled to that opinion. I give individuals the benefit of the doubt. But I do hate insanity, violence, nihilistic hate and danger. I hate when people support sick minded backwards outdated garbage that serves only to erode society and impinge on our safety and freedoms, that so many fought and died for.
gravenimage says
Yes–we should be offering these people sanctuary in the West.
Jack Diamond says
For some odd reason Muslims in 21st century Egypt continue to think of Copts as dhimmis who must follow the laws of subjugation and “feeling themselves subdued”, as in they are not allowed to renovate their churches (not since the Pact of Umar) without losing their “protected” status a the state of open war upon them resuming.
Wherever did they get such ideas? Somebody tell them this is not the true Islam. Al-Azhar?
gravenimage says
Grimly hilarious, Jack.
Dwight hogg says
And in England the music from the mosques pervades the quiet countryside during their incessant prayer times – people have to listen to this alien crap
Ciudadano says
Terrorism is just the tip of the iceberg of intolerance and religious violence in Islam:
“334 million persecuted Christians in the world”, most of them in Islamic countries:
https://www.romereports.com/en/2016/11/18/334-million-persecuted-christians-in-the-world-according-to-aid-to-the-church-in-need/
Thirteen Muslim-majority countries punish apostasy (abandoning Islam) or “blasphemy” (ie the least criticism of Islam or mahoma) with death:
https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death–Z110j2Uwxb
Most islamic countries haven’t signed off the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, instead they come up with their own Cairo Declaration of Human Rights which explicitly rejects freedom of conscience and religion and establishes superiority of Islam over other religions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam
Time and again islamic countries are the worst human right infractors.
https://www.voanews.com/a/article-17-countries-top-list-of-worlds-worst-human-rights-abusers-122958138/160303.html
During 2016 there were 2491 Islamic attacks in 59 countries, in which 21262 people were killed and 26722 injured.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016
“In Lebanon and Egypt, too, substantial minorities of Muslims (33% and 25%, respectively) think suicide bombings and similar attacks in the name of Islam are at least sometimes justified”
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx
More than 40 islamic terrorist organizations in Asia, Africa, Middle East and Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_State_Department_list_of_Foreign_Terrorist_Organizations
It is false that the problem are a few bad apples. Intolerance and violence are endemic and intrinsic to Islam and its source is islamic doctrine.
Lydia says
This is the ripened fruit of the false and evil religion of islam; WHICH IS TO BLAME.
This is a classic case of blame the victim, as one commentator said earlier. As backwards and retarded as it gets, but that is islam.
Those who are persecuted for the namesake of Jesus are blessed in heaven before God the Father and the heavenly angels!
j_not_a says
“Enraged muslums”. Is there any other kind? Why don’t they save their “rage” for something actually deserving – like those of their ranks who give their “religion” a bad name – the ones that maim, rape, torture and kill those people who have done nothing other than decline to worship their bloodthirsty deity.
After all don’t they love to trot out the own texts that say to the effect “To us our religion and to you your religion”. Not so much in this instance, eh?
gravenimage says
Egypt: Enraged Muslim mob of 1,000 attacks church, Christians lock themselves inside
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A mob of *1,000* is hardly “a tiny minority of extremists”…
More:
CHRISTIANS were forced to lock the doors of their church for their own safety as a furious mob launched an attack on the building as tensions continue to soar in Egypt.
More than 1,000 people gathered outside a recently-renovated Coptic church in Mina, Egypt, to intimidate and threaten those inside.
…………………………..
“Recently renovated”–under full Shari’ah Christians and other Infidels are *never* allowed to renovate or repair their places of worship.
The Pact of Umar reads:
“We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks’ cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.”
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/pact-umar.asp
More:
Despite the aggression of the crowd, it was the Copts who were held responsible for the incident.
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*Of course* they were–this is what Islam does–blames the victims.
More:
“A reconciliation and waiver of all records between the two sides must be signed, including a ‘non-provoke crisis’ clause.”
The “non-provoke clause” is particularly controversial, with critics saying it backs up attempts to close down the Coptic churches by sinister means.
…………………………..
A “non-provoke clause”–in other words, if violent Muslims attack Christians, they have been forced to concede it is their own fault.
And this was not the mob, but Muslim Egyptian authorities.
More:
In the week leading up to the church re-opening, flyers were posted across the area with taunting messages apparently written by Coptic leaders.
One said: “We re-opened the church against your will!”
However local Coptic leaders say the messages were written by Muslims in an attempt to stir up anger at their church.
…………………………..
If Christians are not “provoking” Muslims enough by merely continuing to exist, then Muslims will fake more provocation.
These poor people.
God, I hate Islam.
utis says
And Egypt is the shining light of tolerance toward Christians in the Middle East. So it’s said. But there is your proof (along with lynchings and bombings in just the past year) only the dim eyes of dhimmis can’t see.
ronyvo says
This is AGAIN a support of my opinion that el-Sisi is using the Islamic takyya (deception) in a high level by going to the cathedral in Egypt while the Copts are celebrating Christmas and showers the simple naive Copts with his diabolical loving words and fake promises to secure rebuild and repair the churches, which have been attacked by the Muslims mob.
AND WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED????? It is a continuous process of annihilating the largest Christian community in the ME.
John Forbes says
MORE DISTURBING IS THAT THE EUROPEANS WHO NOW CLAIM TO BE POST CHRISTAIN ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTED IN THESE CHRISTIANS OR ANY OTHER CHRISTIANS!
THIS IS CERTAINLY TRUE OF THE GERMANS IF THE EARLIER POSTS BY GERHART SCHROEDTER ARE ANY INDICATION!
HE STATED THAT HE WAS EQUALLY WORRIED BY THE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS IN THE US AS THE ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS!
LITTLE WONDER CHRISTIANITY IN EUROPE IS IN FAST DECLINE !!
A persecuted Christian says
I hope that the west will understand the plight of the Christians in the Middle East. I hope that theyblwarn the lesson so that they avoid this happening in their countries
KmP says
FYI: There is a new infographic, “Blueprint for Terrorism,” that shows how Muhammad’s example is used by Muslims to justify violence: http://scienceetcetera.blogspot.com/2017/11/blog-post.html#links
Stuart Browning says
Australia must open our doors to these Coptic Christians.
Muslims who have invaded our shores have been nothing but trouble!
They comprise less than 2.5% of the population but occupy over 10% of or Prisons!
The refuse to assimilate and intergrate and live in muslim enclaves isolated from the rest of society.
Their “Grand Mofti” has lived here over 20 years and still cannot speak English or make an effort to learn it, he uses an interpreter.
Many others do likewise but easily find the Centrelink offices to claim generous welfare payments.
Muslim dominated suburbs have the highest number of people on government Welfare, many witha disability Pension for Life approved by Muslim Doctor ( another rort).
Many have never worked or intend to work so that they can pray five times a day.
They see that is the duty of “Filthy Kaffiers” ie. Non Muslim Australians to pay their way.
Whole Jails are full of would be terrorists and terrorists who planned mass slaughter of innocent civilians.
Enough is Enough of this Muslim Scum!
A persecuted Christian says
Response to Stuart Browning
I appreciate you saying this. Sadly, giving a portion of the immigration quota to the Copts or to any other persecuted Christian community never happens. The politicians will always side with the Muslims and they will determine that they should take more muslims.The Copts are a lonely persecuted community who no one cares about except some people who read this blog
gravenimage says
There is also the Barnabas Fund:
https://barnabasaid.org/
FYI says
God bless the Coptic Christians and protect them from the godless barbarians.
The Biblical God;the God of Love
allah,the koranic counterfeit of the Biblical God:the god of hate
There are no Two Chief Commandments to be found in islam or the koran!
Their god and their cult is one of hatred and endless violations of God’s Commandments.
Karen says
“In the week leading up to the church re-opening, flyers were posted across the area with taunting messages apparently written by Coptic leaders.
One said: “We re-opened the church against your will!” ”
Sounds very much like Koran-in-the-toilet, hijab-pulling, blasphemy, and many other reported incidents which frequently turn out to be fake news.
Even it the flyers were ‘true’, the response is out of all reasonable proportion. Unless you think you’re “the best of people”, and entitled to a special status in society.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Karen