The Qur’an forbids Muslims to kill other Muslims (4:92), but if one group of Muslims thinks another is heretical, then it considers itself to have a duty before Allah to carry out the Sharia death penalty.
“Attack on mosque in Egypt’s Sinai kills at least 155: state media,” AFP, November 24, 2017 (thanks to Ken):
Cairo (AFP) – Gunmen attacked a packed mosque in Egypt’s restive North Sinai province on Friday and set off a bomb, killing at least 155 people in one of the country’s deadliest attacks in recent memory, state media reported.
A bomb explosion ripped through the Rawda mosque roughly 40 kilometres west of the North Sinai capital of El-Arish before gunmen opened fire on the worshippers gathered for weekly Friday prayers, officials said.
State television reported at least 155 people were killed and 120 wounded in the attack, which is unprecedented in a four-year insurgency by Islamist extremist groups.
The Islamic State group’s Egypt branch has killed hundreds of policemen and soldiers, and also civilians accused of working with the authorities, in attacks in the north of the Sinai peninsula.
They have also targeted followers of the mystical Sufi branch of Sunni Islam as well as Christians.
The victims included civilians and conscripts praying at the mosque.
A tribal leader and head of a Bedouin militia that fights IS told AFP that the mosque is known as a place of gathering for Sufis.
The Islamic State group shares the puritan Salafi view of Sufis as heretics for seeking the intercession of saints.
The jihadists had previously kidnapped and beheaded an elderly Sufi leader, accusing him of practising magic which Islam forbids, and abducted Sufi practitioners later released after “repenting.”
The group has killed more than 100 Christians in church bombings and shootings in Sinai and other parts of Egypt, forcing many to flee the peninsula….
elee says
Ah the joys of dar-es-salaam…..
Santa Voorhees says
Ah the latest act of love and tolerance from the religion of peace…
JOHN SPIELMAN says
correction;, if I may; the ” religion of PIECE(S)”
AnneM says
Second it.
James says
The religion of lust and murder seems intent on proving beyond all possibility of doubt how vile it is. The dead now number 235. It is as though it cannot kill enough people, but is driven to kill, kill. kill.
To say that this obscene murder-cult has anything in common with Judaism or Christianity is a delusion.
abad says
Worse yet, that Islam claims to worship the same God of the Jews and Christians – which Moslems do not. Allah is a separate entity, an Arab desert moon god. Not the God of the Bible.
J D S says
Ah the blood of islam. It pours!
Bob says
And they have the gall actually to CLAIM to be a ‘religion of peace’ with too many western politicos trumpeting their acceptance of the lie.
Benedict says
The Copts are at it again. (Victims 235)
gravenimage says
Grimly hilarious, Benedict.
James says
Indeed, but no more so than the inanely favourable fantasies about it nursed by some who should know better. Telling the truth about Mo’s Murderers Inc. is becoming a revolutionary act.
Benedict says
In the midst of this tragedy it is comforting to know that not all Muslims are Muslims and that only Muslims can tell who the real Muslims are. So why don’t we ask a Muslim how to recognize a Muslim and how not to recognize a Muslim?
Or is it maybe only Allah, who is akbar, who knows who is a Muslim and in his abode in the lake of burning sulphur keeps the secret to himself?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes, that’s it.
LeftisruiningCanada says
And don’t worry, Ibrahim will be along shortly to tell us this was the Jews.
Linde Barrera says
ISIS should change its name to IMI: “ISLAMIC MURDER, INCORPORATED.” ?
DFD says
I beg to differ, ISIS describes it perfectly “Islam: Sadism, Incest, Slaughter”. Why change it?
James says
A very difficult choice to make. I suggest this:
Murder
Oppression
Hatred
Ambition
Massacre
Madness
Evil-doing
Deceit
Phil Copson says
I
Steal
Lie
And
Murder
Overman says
The sufi’s have always been anathema to traditional Islam. Sufism goes way back before Mohammed and most were forcibly converted. Of course, for some reason l can’t fathom, sufi’s still idolise Muhammad – they believe the Koran has hidden spiritual meanings which mainstream Muslims obviously find heretical. Also they like music and dancing which is haram.
They were accused of introducing some fake Hadiths (usually peaceful) and of telling ppl to accept all religions (that never went down well).
There have been sufi’s Like Rumi and Ghazzali who islamized Sufism, but they were born Muslims anyway (12th century l think). But, originally, well before Islam invaded the Middle East sufi’s Had a conglomerate of belief’s taken from Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism etc. – mainly from the Hindu scriptures.
T Ross says
Sufism seems closer to a peaceful image of islam, but don’t forget that sufism was the main belief in Ottoman Turkey and this didn’t prevent all the atrocities towards infidels in war and peace time. Furthermore, many Sufi “saints” were actually military leaders, if we judge by what we see in their “teke” (Sufi shrine) – yataghans and yanissary insignia.
overman says
Yes, l agree, but l’m not sure these so called ‘sufi saints’ were true or genuine sufi’s. They would be an example of how islam corrupted and manipulated the original sufi teachings and ‘islamized’ them to suit their own agenda. Much in the same way they ransacked and twisted the judeo-christian scriptures.
Ann says
Sufism being more peaceful is a comparative thing.
“‘…one must go on Jihad at least once a year… One may use a catapult against them when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire on them and/or drown them.’
– Sufi Imam al-Ghazzali,
the second greatest scholar of Islam after Muhammad”
overman says
“Sufi Imam al-Ghazzali”
Yes, al-Ghazzali is the kind of lslamized sufi l was talking about. He’s the main one responsible for polluting sufism imo. He’s not seen as a true sufi by many sufi sects. Of course this is why he’s put on a pedestal next to mohammed. He was a great corrupting influence.
gravenimage says
overman, al-Ghazālī died in 1111AD. If he “corrupted” Sufism, then it has been corrupted for a *very* long time.
Jack Diamond says
Sufis believe in Allah and Muhammad and the Islamic mission to conquer the world. Therefore they are not “peaceful.” The vaunted Sufi thinker Al-Ghazali taught canonical jihad doctrine and inspired the savagery of the Ottoman jihads. Great massacres in Mughal India were perpetrated under Sufi rulers. Shamil Basayev, of the Beslan atrocity, was Sufi, and of the same Naqshbandi sect, some of whom would pledge loyalty to ISIS in Iraq.
Sufis “mysticism” is much more absorbed into mainstream Islam than you might think, certainly in a country like Turkey, but what we see here in Egypt is just the ongoing cannibalism endemic to Islam since the time of Muhammad and the Rightly Guided Caliphs. Islam is killing, killing unbelievers and killing apostates.
But how do you condemn Sufis for practicing “magic” when the Qur’an affirms the reality of the Jinn, and even says that the Jinn “spirits” are Muslims (Qur’an 72:1-13)? Sufis just live in the world of the Qur’an and Sunnah where:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516)
Narrated ‘Abdullah:
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, “Satan urinated in his ears.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245)
“They are delightful virgins of comparable age who never had sexual intercourse with anyone, whether from mankind or Jinns, before their husbands. {This is also a proof that the believers among the Jinns will enter Paradise.} Artat bin Al-Mundhir said, “Damrah bin Habib was asked if the Jinns will enter Paradise and he said, ‘Yes, and they will get married. The Jinns will have Jinn women and the humans will have female humans.’” –Ibn Kathir {and the virgins could have intercourse with men or Jinns?}
Who says there is no magic in Islam?
gravenimage says
I’m afraid that many Infidels–including some Anti-Jihadists–believe that Sufis are completely peaceful. I’m afraid this is not the case.
Here’s an important article from Andrew Bostom on the subject:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/sufi_jihad.html
Vajapeya says
“Anti-Jihadists–believe that Sufis are completely peaceful”
Yes this is the typical line quoted by so called secular, Islam-butt licking politicians in India and the general public, even though the sufi Jihadis are no less than Sunni Jihadis when it comes to Jihad against the infidel. This link below gives an idea of the destruction & death wrought by the sufis
http://indiafacts.org/sufism-india-bloodied-history/
Also a link below that shows the Sufi depredations in Kashmir
http://indiafacts.org/sufi-mission/
pennant8 says
I guess what this all boils down to is when ISIS and its copycat jihadist groups kill other Muslims they do it believing their victims are not Muslim enough.
gravenimage says
Yup.
narahari says
Sunni, Shia and Sufi vary only in degree, not in kind. All three want to see the kaffir either converted or dead. So let us not fall into the “Sufism is a good thing” trap. In India, Sufi preachers encouraged Mughal rules to forcibly convert Hindus to Islam.
LR says
Sufism for quite a long time in the west anyway, has been very peaceful. From all of my experience they have quite a reverential focus, especially through music and dancing. And, so far, I have never been approached by a Sufi to convert, although I have at my front door by JW’s and Mormons.
If we want to help Muslim refugees relocate in the west, I sure wish we would focus on Sufi’s and Ahmadiyya Muslims.
Death toll is going up to over 300.
Despicable! What wretched suffering these evil ISIS bastards have wrought.
LeftisruiningCanada says
That’s because Christianity (though neither the Watchtower or LDS are Christian, they still are influenced by it’s scriptures and ideals) at it’s core is peaceful and seeks to contain the evil nature of Man.
Islam is the opposite, neither peaceful according to any rational definition of the word, nor aimed at exposing or opposing Mans evil fallen nature.
Sufism derives from islam, and therefore cannot be peaceful, as shown by above posts (JD, GI and V in particular)
mortimer says
Mohammed commands the killing of apostates, and promises eternal rewards for doing so:
When I relate to you the words of Mohammed, by Allah, I would rather die than bear false witness to his teachings. However, if I should say something unrelated to the prophet, then it might very well be a lie so that I might deceive my enemy. Without question, I heard Mohammed say, “In the final days before Redemption there will emerge groups of foolish youths who will say all the right things but their faith will go no further than their mouths and will flee from their religion like an arrow. So, KILL THE APOSTATES wherever you find them, because whoever does so will be REWARDED on Judgment Day.” -Sahih Bukhari 9,84,64
Voytek Gagalka says
And they dream about conquering the world? Before they will be able to achieve that goal there most certainly will be no Muslim left to see it!
JawsV says
One can hope.
gravenimage says
Voytek, Muslims have been slaughtering each other for 1400 years now, but there are still plenty left to murder Infidels.
Walter Sieruk says
This time it’s jihadists, of ISIS, who are Sunni Muslims murderous Sufis Muslims of Iran. As in those ISIS jihad attack. Nevertheless Muslim of those two of Islam both believe that the founder of their religion, Muhammad, was an actually prophet of God. Likewise , they both believe that their “holy book” the Qu ‘ran is the actual word of God .All this lead to the important subject that it’s a good thing to define what Islam really is .Of the many ways Islam may be described, one of them is that a religion of denial. Meaning that Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God. As in the Son of God Who is God the Father. Furthermore, Islam denies the Jesus is God the Son. In addition, Islam denies that Jesus is God. Before going over these three denials of Islam it first should the stated the Bible instructs the way to tell if a prophet or religious teacher is really from and of God or not is do the teachings and doctrines of that prophet of teacher really fit in accord what is found in the Bible ? For if that prophet or teachers and teachers doctrines that are in contradiction to the Bible then that prophet is a false prophet and that religious teacher is a false teacher and thus in doctrinal error and darkness. Likewise if a religion had teachings and doctrines that are in contradiction that is religion is in error also part of the world of darkness and is therefore a false religion. As the Bible instructs in Isaiah 8:20. “To the law of the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” [K.J.V.] With this clearly stated, three things should be known.
First, that Islam denial that Jesus is the Son of God is in great contradiction to the teaching of the Bible . Which reveals the Jesus is the Son of God? As seen in ,for example Matthew 3:16,17. 16:15,16. Luke 1:35. John 3:16-18, 36. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13. Second, that Islam denies that Jesus is God the Son is in strong contradiction to the Bible. As found in Hebrews 1:6-8. With emphasis on verse 8. Third, Islam’s denial that Jesus is God is in great contrast to the doctrine and teaching of the Bible. That Jesus is God may be found in ,for example, John 1:1;3. Colossians 1:15-17. 2:9. Romans 9:5 Second Peter 1:1. Titus 2:13. First John 5:20. Moreover, to further discover that the Bible teachings that Jesus is God all a person has to do is to compare the Old Testament with New Testament to see that Jesus is God. As in comparing Isaiah 45:22,23. with Philippians 2:5-11. Also by comparing Psalm 89:8,9. with Mathew 8:23-27. will reveal that Jesus is God. Likewise, by comparing Psalm 62:5-7 . with First Corinthians 10:4. shows the Deity of Jesus. Even by comparing the News Testament books together will show that Jesus is God. As in comparing Romans 14:12. with John 5:22. will show Jesus to be God. The list can go on but this should be enough, for all who are willing to see the truth, that Jesus is, indeed, the Son of God. That Jesus is God the Son and that Jesus is God.
The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain’ this all away by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted by Christians ,through time, and that’s way the Bible reads as it does. This claim, very much, underestimate the Power of God to protect and preserve His Word ,through time , and to keep in intact and away from the corruption of men. In conclusion, in light and information of the Bible in can be seen that Islam is a awful and terrible doctrinal error concerning it teaching about the Nature of Jesus and therefore Islam is part of the world of darkness. So Islam with its strong contradictions to the Bible is a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. So all Muslims be they peaceful non-ISIS members or the violent jihadist/ISIS members are thus invited to leave the false religion of Islam and come the and receive the Jesus of the Bible who is the only way to heaven ,John 14:6 and the True Light of the world. John 8:12.
gravenimage says
Just one small point, Walter–you wrote:
This time it’s jihadists, of ISIS, who are Sunni Muslims murderous Sufis Muslims of Iran.
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These Sufi Muslims were killed in Egypt, not Iran, and there is no reason to assume that they were Shi’ites. Sufism is found in both Sunni and Shia Islam.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Not good that any innocent person should be killed.
Salah says
Hi Malcolm, will you please take a look at this article:
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/11/17/antipope-bergoglio-the-people-who-were-killed-in-sodom-and-gomorrah-were-received-into-heaven/
You might also want to click on my username and see for yourself that I’m not a fake.
Thanks.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
@Salah
You are not a fake, my apologies to you if your sensibilities were hurt.
Let me put it this way, you are extremely biased, your links are not reflective of the truth.
Click on your own link and compare it what the Church teaches on the subject from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. No pope is able to contradict it and no Pope has.
” Sins that “cry to heaven for vengeance.” The traditional list, is summarized in the Catechism which states The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel, the sin of the Sodomites, the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan, injustice to the wage earner (# 1867).”
It is easy for any nominal Catholic to spot the rot, written on these threads about pope Francis.
To me politics is about justice on earth, simply put if you stray from that principle then one cannot claim trust. Christianity concerns the temporal and above all, the spiritual and concerns all people of the world.
Salah says
Thanks, Malcolm. I sincerely wish you’re right and I’m wrong.
God bless.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
@ Salah
God Bless you.
Your graciousness is appreciated.
gravenimage says
No, it’s not good that any innocent person should be killed.
But Muslims are not going to stop.
Robeaver. says
Innocent???? HahahahahahahahAhaha. Good one. Best laugh today. Well done, got any others?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
It is now evident that isis is a mossad death squad unit to reduce world muslim population for the benefit of its mentors the evil Jews. over 98% of those killed by isis are Muslims,2% Christians mostly living peacefully with Muslim population,while no single Jew was killed by evil Isis. those of you at JW saying that Isis is a Sunni group, why attacking Sufis who are also Sunnis not shia?
Eur says
Ahhh of course, the jews. The Muslims behave as always, in an immature way. The fault is never yours, it is always from others. The West, the Jews … of course.
Jack Diamond says
Steven Sotloff was an American Jew, a journalist kidnapped by ISIS in Syria and beheaded in the same video as James Foley. There. A Jew killed by ISIS, refuting your claim.
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They attack the Sufis for apostasy, for bid’ah innovation, for being devil-worshippers (like yourself).
The orthodox (Sunni) muftis at Islam Q&A even say: “The Sufis use talismans, letters and numbers for making decisions and for making amulets and charms and so on.
“The Sufis do not restrict themselves to the specific blessings on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that were narrated from him. They invented new formulas that involve seeking his blessings and other kinds of blatant shirk which are unacceptable to the one on whom they are sending blessings.
“With regard to the question of the whether the Sufi shaykhs have some kind of contact, this is true, but their contact is with the shayaateen, not with Allaah.”
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Muslims are told to fight the near enemy first. The Shi’a are the near enemy. Those fighting against the Caliphate are the near enemy. Kill or enslave the Christians and Yazidis, for they are the near enemy. Israel was not only far away, they were never in a position to take on Israel. But as to their intentions:
“O ummah of Islam, the world today has been divided into two camps and two trenches … The camp of Islam and faith, and the camp of kufr (disbelief) and hypocrisy … all being led by America and Russia, and being mobilized by the Jews,” Caliph al-Baghdadi
“The Real Zionist Holocaust is Predicted in the Hadiths! The Hour [resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the tree will say: “Oh, Muslim, servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, kill him! THE PROMISED Holocaust,” Islamic State Media, 2014
ISIS video 2015: “This is a message to all the Jews, who are the Muslims’ number one enemy,” the militant says, according to The Times of Israel‘s translation. “The real war has not even begun and everything you have experienced so far has been child’s play—[it is] nothing compared to what will happen to you soon enough, inshallah [God willing].”
“We assure you that soon there will not be a single Jew left on Jerusalem and throughout the country.” He added the terror group would “move to eradicate the disease….. worldwide…soon there will not be one Jew left in Jerusalem.”
Caption: ““We are coming to kill you, O Jews.”
ISIS intends to kill all Jews and annihilate Israel but they were created by the Jews and Israel! Clear thinking there. No no, this ISIS sounds exactly like…you.
gravenimage says
Muslims have been murdering other Muslims for 1400 years now, centuries before Mossad ever existed.
In fact, Ibrahim itace muhammed *himself* has said that “heretics” should be killed, making his blaming the Jooooooos here especially absurd. But when have Muslims ever had to be logical?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Exactly the kind of self reflective logic islam seems to make impossible for its adherents.
Chand says
ISIS as a Sunni group has no problems killing other Sunnis, whether Sufis, who they consider heretics or Kurds, who are non-Arab Sunnis or any other Sunnis who dare to oppose them. They only have to declare them as apostates, heretics, infidels, corrupt or whatever.
LeftisruiningCanada says
I recant my previous statement, above.
Now, Ibrahim, please provide some evidence.
Remember, and repeat after me;
“Assertions are not evidence.”
gravenimage says
Egypt: Islamic jihadis murder at least 155 in Sufi mosque
The Qur’an forbids Muslims to kill other Muslims (4:92), but if one group of Muslims thinks another is heretical, then it considers itself to have a duty before Allah to carry out the Sharia death penalty.
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And given how many Muslims consider other Muslims heretics, there are always plenty of targets for Muslim-on-Muslim savagery.
God, I hate Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
satan(holy spirit) worshiper Gravenimage, is that mithraist god who told you to hate the truth (Islam) because he the father of lies and falsehoods?you and your god will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire. killing was carried out the death squad unit (Isis)formed by your masters the evil Jews.
gravenimage says
I will never consider marrying little children, raping Infidels, enslaving victims, and mass murdering unbelievers to be “the truth”.
Nor will I ever condone the sort of savagery we see above–which despite Ibrahim itace muhammed’s absurd claim, was carried out by pious Muslims, not the Israelis.
How ridiculous is this claim, anyway? That Jews can carry off Jihad terror attacks all over the Muslim world, as well as run a Caliphate in the heart of Dar-al-Islam.
The fact is that Muslims have been murdering insufficiently Islamic and other sect Muslims since the earliest days of Islam.
Robeaver. says
We don’t usually comment on idiocy.we trust your cult will submerge into the deser sand with all your diseased ancestors, the one who passed down, depravity and insanity.
Vajapeya says
Wow itace how did you come to this brilliant conclusion!!! You must be the Islamic version of Sherloc Holmes!!! What a feat!!!
FYI says
“holy spirit[satan}”
Ehm..I have to point out to you that the Holy Spirit (which you constantly blaspheme)is part of Christian Theology,not Jewish theology.Since Jewish theology does not have the Christian concept of the Trinity, the term “holy spirit(satan)” is not relevant or applicable to anyone who might say,be…Jewish.
Yet,It is not surprising muslims get theology all wrong.
So does allah in his “perfect” koran.
You won’t understand this of course,but one of the funniest things in the koran is that allah mistakenly thinks Christians are polytheists.
But Christians are not polytheists:They believe there are 3 aspects of the one God… NOT a 3 god polytheistic system.
allah’s confusion on this theological matter is hilarious:how can allah..who tries so hard to pretend he is God…not understand theology?What cracks me up about allah is not just that he gets it all wrong:it is that allah doesn’t understand it.
the koran:it has more theological holes than a Swiss Cheese and yet muslims believe it to be the most perfect book without any errors in it………{sure it’s perfect,sure….well.except for all the errors in it..)
The fact that you belong to a murderous,commandment-of God Violating cult which has an “angel” jibreel who is defined in islam as being “the enemy of the Jews” speaks volumes for your antichristian,antiJewish mentality.
“Anyone who says evil things against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven..now or ever”
Matthew 12 v 32
Anyone who calls the Wisdom and holiness of God evil already belongs to the serpent.If anyone is going to suffer the Judgement of the good God it is you fraudulently pious muslims and your mass-murdering false prophet muhammed.
And to add insult to injury for you muslims…the one who will judge your hate-filled soul…. will be …Jewish.
LeftisruiningCanada says
There you go with your unfounded, and undefended, ‘mithraist” nonesense again.
Let me guess, you watch the “Zeitgeist” movie an thought it was true?
Robeaver. says
Let em go. At it: to it:on it: do not charge money to participate, make it”free for all”. AdvertizeGg** amfree for all coming, get yer knives sharpened, your stone selected, your clubs cut to size, get ammo for you AK now! A few spears could not be misplaced;;;someone will keep an eye out for you!
They deserve each other.
LR says
“The Qur’an forbids Muslims to kill other Muslims (4:92), but if one group of Muslims thinks another is heretical, then it considers itself to have a duty before Allah to carry out the Sharia death penalty.”…
Well, that sure keeps open the whole can of religious warfare…Quite an invitation to stoke the basest in human nature. Ugh!
SAM says
As Muslims killing Muslims it is clear that this has nothing to do with Islam. Sounds like “another” Jewish plot just to give a bad name to the religion of peace.
gravenimage says
Pious Muslims in Egypt are also keeping busy attacking Christians:
“Egypt: Enraged Muslim mob of 1,000 attacks church, Christians lock themselves inside”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/11/egypt-enraged-muslim-mob-of-1000-attacks-church-christians-lock-themselves-inside#comment-1780440
LeftisruiningCanada says
And remember that video when a coptic priest was chased down and stabbed to death?
The killer must have been……..an undercover mossad agents.
Charles says
These “creatures”, in human form, are the ultimate in burtality, savagery and barbarism!
If I were President, every last one would be DEPORTED! The rest JAILED! We can never trust them. And I certainly don’t want my kids sharing a class room with such brutal savages, junior grade!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Jay Boo, you should have a class on Anthropology. There was no ethnic group known as Jews before Jacob the grandson of Abraham. Jews are the children of Jacob’s 12 children known as the children of Israel. so, the division was between Abraham’s two sons, Ismael(the line Prophet Muhammad came from later known as Quresh) and Isaac (later known as Israelites or Jews). Be educated before commenting.
Chand says
Anthropology says there is only one species: homo sapiens sapiens, evolved in Africa, 200,000 years ago from pre-human bipedal hominids, who evolved from bipedal apes, the earlier species being homo heidelbergensis.
Then the humans started spreading all over the globe around a 100,000 years ago, giving rise to all of us today. All the recent ethnic groups arose due to climatic and environmental conditions. All are related to each other. All humans are brothers, sisters and cousins to each other. All have common ancestors and we all are children of one tribe of a few thousand prehistoric Africans.
“Your community is but one community, and I am your only Lord. Therefore serve Me. Mankind has divided itself into factions, but to Us shall they all return.”
Koran, ‘The Prophets – Al Anbiya’.
Robeaver. says
Anthro!!! No other humans on earth at this time? The rest of the word you owe to jay boo.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You are right about that i think.
Do you remember what was said about Ismael being a disagreeable man that would always be fighting?
Isn’t it interesting how that has be shown to be true?
Bezelel says
Since the attackers and the victims were both muslims, did this have anything to do with islam, and if so which side is misunderstanding islam ? I bet hussein obola could tell us.
JawsV says
Sunnis killing Sufis. The Sufis are just as much Infidels as Jews and Christians to the Sunnis and so deserve death. Ah, the beauty and wonder of Islam. Also known as Murder Inc.
Chand says
The Caliphate strikes again, intending to subdue the Egyptians through terror and as revenge for recent Egyptian crackdown on the Jihadis. And stop Sufism and make all follow Sunni Wahabbis/Salafism. Follow Al Baghdadi’ ism — the death cult, in other words.
Jack Diamond says
The death cult is Islam. I have no idea what Al Baghdadi’ism is.
Chand says
A cult might believe in some end-of-the-world/doomsday prophecy and their members might adjust themselves to that Final day or hour accordingly, living by certain rules and conduct certain rituals awaiting that day.
Islam, like all religions, can be classified as a cult with the Final Judgement Day/Qayammat to be prepared for by following its laws and rituals.
But a cult can go into ‘active’ mode by which I mean that they, by their own actions, can start the process of bringing on the Armageddon/Apocalypse/Judgement Day. Violence (mass murder, mass poisoning, mass suicide, etc) seems to be the choice method to bring in the inevitable. Religions, like cults, can have various interpretations of their core texts or words of their founders. Some might consider the End of Days to be heralded now.
All the signs and portents are ripe for the final battle promised in the Koran and the Cosmic fight has begun, or so Al Baghdadi, the scholar of Islam (another set of mumbo jumbo, like all religions) believes. It is happening right now. And not some pious myth of some Judgement that’ll happen……………whenever or after we die or whatever.
And thus I named his and his followers’ views Al Baghdadi’ ism. He is the leader of this death cult, IMHO.
Sorry, maybe I shouldn’t be so dramatic and poetic and just call his version ‘radical, extreme’ Islam. Is that ok? Or should I just call it Islam, like you say?
So then are all Muslims, and not just the radical Jihadis, cult followers who are hell bent on bringing on the Final Judgement/Qayammat right now?
I don’t think most Muslims want to live, for the future, hoping for a better life, like most of us. Don’t think they want Armageddon now.
Chand says
sorry, typo: I meant “I think most Muslims want to live, for the future………………..
(Oops! Freudian slip, maybe……………)
Jack Diamond says
“I …think most Muslims want to live, for the future, hoping for a better life, like most of us. Don’t think they want Armageddon now.”
AllahMuhammad knew they wouldn’t. He tells the Muslim jihad and fighting and killing are prescribed for you, though you dislike it. You dislike a thing that is good for you and you like a thing that is bad for you. Allah knows and YOU DO NOT KNOW. (2:216).
Muslims you describe are bad or weak or “wishy washy” Muslims. It is a dangerous assumption to believe they are “like most of us”, however, the kind of assumption that has brought about mass Muslim migration to the West and the Islamizing of Europe and Britain. Whether or not they believe the Day of Judgment is nigh their loyalties are elsewhere.
The Qur’an commands Muslims to rule the world and submit everyone to the only religion recognized by Allah, Islam (3:19; 3:85). The purpose of jihad is to remove the obstacles to the spread of Islam till that Day of Judgment, it is ordained just as are all the “non-radical or extreme” aspects of Islam Muslims are obligated to follow–prayers, fasting, and alms. Like the order to eradicate “fitna” (disbelief in all its forms that ‘persecute’ Islam) from the earth (8:39). Jihad takes many forms besides the Sword and qital-combat, Hijrah (Islamic migration and colonization) is a part of jihad too. Deceiving the infidels is an integral part of jihad. Money and propaganda (da’wa) are also weapons of jihad.
“Islamic faith is based on the separation of Muslim and kafir and that the kafir is an enemy of Allah forever, until he embraces Islam discarding his kufar, Allah has forbidden the believers from pledging any allegiance to the kuffar or showing them any affection even if they were their fathers, brothers, children, kinsmen or their spouses as stated in Sura 58:22.”
–Islam Q&A, the popular orthodox mufti website
The Qur’an and Sunnah is radical and extreme to “most of us.” But there is no “out” for the nice “non-radical” Muslim. Islam means submission and a Muslim is one who submits. “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any opinion in their decision.” (33:36) “They can have no Faith until they make you (Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept them with full submission” (4:65).
All Muslims are also to believe in the Last Day (9:29). Muslims, Shi’a and Sunni await a Mahdi. Sunnis await a Caliphate. They compete for the Caliphate (and in interpretations of the “end time” prophecies) so, the Muslim Brotherhood & Sheikh Qaradawi denounce the legitimacy of al-Baghdadi and the Islamic State caliphate (in the name of their own vision of same) and ISIS denounces the Brotherhood as apostates in return. But do they differ on the “conquest of Rome” Muhammad prophesied and MUST be fulfilled? Of course not. Just who is going to lead it.
ISIS drew Muslims with their boldness and apparent successes. Muslims get the idea that maybe it is the Time of Jihad and Allah is favoring it and momentous events foretold are happening now. The demise of ISIS or defeat of jihadi movements like al Qaeda reinforce the opposite, cools the flame as it were. Maybe it is not the Time of Jihad, maybe Allah did not favor it, inshallah, trot out the Meccan Islam. But the belief itself in the Time of Jihad (open warfare) and the Last Day doesn’t change.
Radical extreme Islam is our term, not theirs.
There is only one Islam, the Islam of the Qur’an and Sunnah. There may be many kinds of Muslims but only to the degree they do not follow Islam, or apparently don’t, or temporarily don’t. It is nothing to rely on, given that individual Muslims are not important, only the umma, the community of believers, is important. The umma will be guided by the Qur’an and Sunnah. The umma as it grows itself in dar al-Harb will always be a clear and present danger to non-Muslims, it cannot be otherwise.
Ex-Muslim Ali Sina:
“All Muslims believe in every word of the Quran. No Muslim will denounce a single word of the Quran. You don’t have to be Aristotle or an expert in syllogism and deductive reasoning to put the two together and come to the conclusion that you should not trust Muslims. All of them lie. All of them are deceitful. They even lie to me and think they can get away with it. For Muslims lying to advance their faith is a holy deed. It is woven in their psyche. They grow with it and do it naturally. Just as you are taught to smile when your eyes lock with the eyes of a stranger, Muslims are taught to lie to non-Muslims.
“There are no moderate Muslims. There are also no radical Muslims. All Muslims believe in the same book, every word of it. They just practice it to different extents. We call those who follow their faith to the letter radical and the wish-washy ones moderate. There is only one Islam: The Islam of Muhammad and the Quran. It is the only Islam that matters. The rest is a bunch of lies. This Islam is violent. It instructs the believer to lie to the unbelievers, to cast terror in their hearts and to murder them.”
Chand says
Jack Diamond says: “There may be many kinds of Muslims but only to the degree they do not follow Islam, or apparently don’t, or temporarily don’t. It is nothing to rely on, given that individual Muslims are not important, only the umma, the community of believers, is important. The umma will be guided by the Qur’an and Sunnah. The umma as it grows itself in dar al-Harb will always be a clear and present danger to non-Muslims, it cannot be otherwise.”
Well, Jack Diamond, all what you say is difficult to dispute with and sound……………..on paper. But as always, the individual will be the final agent who will choose and decide on a path and will have to be judged.
Like you say, the ‘wishy washy Muslims’ might choose not to follow the Koran literally. Modern culture, exposure and education, will over time, will surely increase their ranks. Human beings surely can rise above their cultural indoctrination through education. Human culture is relatively recent, compared to our ancient biological nature, including our intelligence, capacity for adaptation and pliability.
Surely the Muslims, at least the non fundamentalists, ought to be given the benefit of doubt.
Jack Diamond says
“Surely the Muslims, at least the non fundamentalists, ought to be given the benefit of doubt.”
Sounds good on paper. All I can add is that Muslims have been given the benefit of the doubt, that is why we are in the mess we are in.
They were given the benefit of the doubt in Germany, and in Sweden, and in France. They were given the benefit of the doubt after we drove out the bad guys in Afghanistan and Iraq. Much of the disturbing news we read daily at JW is a result of giving them the benefit of the doubt.
While modern education may have the benefit you put hope in–and would risk the safety of our children–some of the worst Muslims have had just that benefit of modern education, many have been doctors and engineers and had all the exposure to Western culture you could ever give them. Most jihadis were once moderate or wishy-washy Muslims, until they started taking their Islam seriously.
Mike Hawash was a computer engineer for Intel in Portland, making $100,000 a year until he was arrested for aiding and trying to join al Qaeda. This year there was yet another example of two brothers in Texas, highly educated and assimilated American Muslims from a well-to-do family, who ran off to join ISIS:
“A Texas college friend who asked that his name be withheld because he didn’t want to be associated with Arman {one of the brothers} said he arrived at UT-Austin as a “pretty normal kid.” But he became religious during his second year and gradually grew more orthodox. Arman was no longer playing soccer, basketball and video games with friends. He was spending more time at the mosque.”
And while these are the noticeable sharks, it is the “average” Muslims who provide the sea for such sharks to swim freely in. What mosques teach against the “jihadist and Islamic supremacist” understanding of Islam and confront those verses of the Qur’an and passages in the hadiths? Why are all the prominent Muslim groups and advocates in the USA associated with the Muslim Brotherhood? What “average” Muslim would ever explicitly denounce or renounce Shari’a, let alone admit there is anything less than perfect about the Qur’an?
Chand says
But what about the next generations of Muslims who get modern education? And the generations to come? Surely the chances are higher with them that they’ll reject Islamism.
Jack Diamond says
Generations? What did Britain, France, Sweden, and Germany look like a few decades ago and what do they look like now? Immensely changed for the worse as a result of the Hijrah. What will they look like a few decades from now if things continue apace?
Assimilated secular Muslims everywhere or an unimaginable nightmare of an Islamized Europe, torn asunder? The fact is we are at war. Every “lone wolf” attack is an act of war by a soldier called upon to wage “individual jihad” (by clerics and caliphs). And this brutal violence to instill terror in the hearts of the kaffirs and achieve their frightened acquiescence is but one side of a coin, the other side being the civilizational jihad pursued by mosque and ummah. Two sides of the same coin with the same end, victory. Conquest for Allah’s law.
The best way to encourage new Muslim generations to reject what you call Islamism is to put the Muslim world back where it was before it became a dire threat. The recent “reawakening” of Islam (aided by trillions in sudden oil wealth) came after several hundred years of Islam being “asleep”: weak, divided, dominated by Western powers (AND isolated from Western countries), given over to both Inshallah fatalism and discouragement with the rule of the orthodox (Napoleon conquering Egypt with ease, for instance). The hijab and shari’a were suddenly no longer in fashion. Alas, not a permanent situation in lands where the Qur’an and Sunnah are taken to heart, but a much more desirable condition than the one we are in.
As it is, those secular modern-educated Muslims, Muslims who leave Islam or all but leave Islam, Muslims that don’t go to mosque, they don’t really matter. They do not lead the ummah, their voices are not powerful. Zudhi Jasser does not have millions of Muslims cheering him on. He has a few kaffirs cheering him on. No, if you want to “reform” Islam you might do it by confronting it, defeating it, defanging it, containing it, and by telling Muslims what is demanded of them and what will not be tolerated. That’s better than Waiting for Godot.
Vajapeya says
Chand is there something called “Wahabism” or Bagdhadism? Whose says Sufi’s weren’t jihadis?. Please read this link http://indiafacts.org/sufi-mission/. They were as bad as the Sunni Jihadi? All Wahab or Bagdadhi were doing was to follow their prophets Sunna. There is nothing that they have invented or followed on their own. If so they would have added a new invention or Bida, which is prohibited in Islam.
I am also curious about one thing. Why are the secularist and the lefties so keen to whitewash Islam of its Jihad, the only way it spread m right from its conception on the dry dead, hot sands of Arabia, to the Himalays in the east. If Aurangazeb was found to have destroyed the temple at Kashi vishwanath, the sickularas and left libturds jump in with “Oooh! wait there!!! But you did not know that the priest at the temple rapped an innocent girl there?? Aurangazeb being the compassionate man got so angry that he ordered 5 cannons to blast the temple over 2 days.” I am engineer/scientist and have dealt with much complex problems in life. But i have never been able to understand the incurable desire of the sickulars and the lefties to go to bed with Islam and whitewash it. Probably they forget the fact that when the rest of the Kafirs are done with, they are next in the line? Or are they so sadomasochistic that they will die in sheer joy at being given the opportunity to die for Islam. Unfathomable!!!
Chand says
Vajapeya says: “Why are the secularist and the lefties so keen to whitewash Islam of its Jihad,”
Firstly, I am not comfortable with the terms ‘secular’ as it is ambiguous. I am an atheist and would love to see Islam, and all other religions of today, vanish. Would do mankind a lot of good, I think. And also I’m not a ‘lefty’. I use my right hand to write and eat and I type with both hands. But if you mean Marxist, then I’m no card carrying member of any party although he was a giant among human thinkers, IMHO.
Please don’t pretend to be more knowledgeable than others and label them ignorantly. Just shows your narrow mindedness. A engineer/scientist ought to be more open.
As for Jihad, I don’t intend to ‘whitewash’ Jihad. I think Jihad is the highest form of worship in Islam. It is equivalent to the seeking of Moksha or Nirvana in Hinduism/Buddhism/Jainism/Sikhism. In those religions one seeks to end the cycle of painful rebirths by transcending the ego or small self for a higher self or cause and then one merges with that Higher Sphere in this life or after death. The path is renunciation of worldly comforts and the material life and taking up the painful practice of yoga, meditation, contemplation and study. If one cannot do that one follows the sages and saints who can and hope for a future birth when one can do so.
Christians too have paths of renunciation and monasticism and that path is held in high esteem.
In Islam there is no such renunciation. Muhammad said “there is no monasticism in Islam. In Islam the monasticism is Jihad”. Giving up of the small self for a greater cause is Jihad itself and thus it is the highest form of worship of God in Islam. Mujahideen are given the highest honor and status among Muslims. God too wiil reward that person with the highest position in heaven.
I am fully aware of the status of Jihad in Islam, for your kind information. You deal with ‘much complex problems in life’ I’m sure but you seem to get bothered about non issues. This site is called Jihadwatch, remember? We are all talking about the problem of Jihad and not trying to ‘whitewash’ it.
Vajapeya says
I am not saying i am knowledgeable than any one. This is the general trend followed by leftists and the so called liberal elite. I sure do not know you and i did not mean you to be a card carrying member of the Marxist parties and surely when i mean lefty i neither mean you nor do i know with what hand you eat with. You must understand that from reading your comments i get the impression that are left leaning and secular. The typical lines i hear from these hypocrite rascals.who masquerade as secularists
Probably you know and read about Kamal Hasan’s article in a local tamizh magazine regarding hindu terror. He is an example i mean. I am a tamilian and read his article and i tell you there were no specific examples or proofs. Just rant rant and rant. We all know what a big Muslim fart smeller he is. When one of his films ran into trouble with the muslim community the shameless fellow genuflected to them and stopped short of licking their feet. Again an example of a typical Hindu baiting false secularist.
So when i mean i do not understand why the left and secularists like the I guy mentioned above, fall head over heals to curry favor with Muslims and white wash Jihad, i do not say “Chand” the person is also doing that. But let me tell you this. Surely your comments do give me that impression. Specifically when you say “Do away with all religions” because islam sucks, Also your reply to this guy Itace Ibrahim, where you quote peaceful abrogated verses from the Quran. The way you say Islamic Jihad is due to Wahabism or Bagdhadism makes me think that you are absolving Quranic verses and Hadiths that in the first place mandate Jihad. It is these kind of consistent comments that make me think so.
Chand says
Vajapeya, there are many atheists in the world today and many more who are not yet willing to say so. I still don’t know what you mean by ‘left’ then?
Of course, I’m secular. I want a separation of the state from any organized religions.
Hindu goons have been regularly bashing up Muslims for transporting cattle, suspicions of eating beef, etc. while beef eating is banned in most of the country anyway and those Muslims usually were transporting their own animals or carrying buffalo meat, etc.
Of course this cannot compare to the brutality of Muslim jihadis but for a Muslim getting beaten up, lynched and even killed over food choices or mere suspicion, it is still terrifying.
Christians too are becoming wary of this present Hinduist govt. which is trying to erode away the fundamentals of Indian democracy. The Indian constitution says that India is a ‘sovereign, socialist, secular, democratic republic’ and not a ‘Hindu state’.
Vajapeya says
Look, what i mean by the left is this. Many people call themselves left and atheists when coming to Hinduism but gleefully take part in other religious festivals. The rascal Karunanidhi of the DMK, for example tom toms himself as an atheist when it comes to Hindu beliefs and festivals but when Ramzan comes we can see the fellow waxing eloquent about the benefits of fasting. So what i mean is this selective form of atheism practiced by many politicians. If you are a true atheist denounce all forms of religious worship. If not you are a hypocrite that’s all.
As for the kind of secularism practiced in India, it is just pimping, for the minorities. Licking their asses. You know the country of India is not secular? This because the government interferes with the temple affairs of the Hindu, appoint committees to swindle the revenue from them. Will the government dare put its head into the affairs of the Wakf board? It wont because it know then its head will cease to remain intact. Nor does interfere with the Christian funds. Where is it secular? Secularism is a lie in India, a farce to put down the Hindus and pimp for the minorities.
Of course the beef lynching is bad and i do not support it at all, and I denounce it. But still it is nothing compared to the complete ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri pandits from their ancestral homelands where they live for centuries even before Islam was conceived off. Kashmir which was once home of the Vedic Rishis and a very important center for Hindu culture is now being brutally rapped by the Muslims. Why do i not see a word being raised against this? If a one off beef lynching happens the media creates a hullabaloo of it. So is is with a one off church ransacking But why no secular leader not protest against he whole sale driving out of Hindus from Khairana a UP town? The systematic cleansing of Hindus from Kerala especially in the Malabar? Who speaks against it? Secularism a big middle finger to it!!!
The Hindus are burning inside against this kind off repeated insults. One day it will burst up. Then see what happens. The country has remained secular only because of Hindu toleration. If Muslims or Christians were the majority then the story would have been different.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The Takfir Two-step.
Started right after Mohammad died, and it will continue as long as Mohammadans teach their children and/or grandchildren that Mohammad was the best man that ever lived and is the ultimate example to emulate.
underbed cat says
Listening to the news I heard a description of the Sufi Islam mosque teaching as mystical, peaceful. But hardly a mention of Islam’s pious nature that would drive an attack on less pious muslims as if islamic Isis has noting to do with the teachings of Islam.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
It is interesting that the MSM, that rarely covers all but the worst Mohammadan atrocities, has this story leading tonight.
Relic says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpkN0JdXRpM
Tim says
Let us pray
Robeaver. says
Why????
BC says
The toll is now 235 with many more injured
Muka says
If Islam is a religion of peace then the extremist should be extremely peaceful right
LeftisruiningCanada says
😀
Joe says
This was probably a “lone wolf” attack, since all Islamic attacks are initially reported as someone being crazy. We must not have an anti-Muslim backlash. Oh wait….
UNCLE VLADDI says
This should – but probably won’t – be a lesson to libtards who think converting will save them!
patriotliz says
If Muslims kill other Muslims who are “not Muslim enough”….there’s no chance for us infidels to coexist w/ true believers of Islam.