“The term ‘moderate Islam’ is being lathered up again. The patent of moderate Islam belongs to the West. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam; Islam is one. The aim of using such terms is to weaken Islam.”
“Lathered up”: good phrase, Tayyip!
Doesn’t Erdogan know that “Islam is not a monolith”? He must be a racist, bigoted “Islamophobe”!
“The term ‘moderate Islam’ aims to weaken the religion, Erdoğan says,” Daily Sabah, November 10, 2017 (thanks to Lookmann):
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan lashed out at the term “moderate Islam” on Friday, saying the term’s only aim is to weaken the religion itself rather than distance it from extremists.
In a clear reference to Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s remarks, Erdoğan said that the origin of the term lies in the Western world.
“The term ‘moderate Islam’ is being lathered up again. The patent of moderate Islam belongs to the West. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam; Islam is one. The aim of using such terms is to weaken Islam,” Erdoğan said.
“They say we will return to moderate Islam, but they still don’t give women the right to drive. Is there such a thing in Islam? I guess they will give this right when they turn to the moderate one,” he added.
Erdoğan’s words came at a women’s entrepreneurship event held for the Organization Islamic Cooperation’s (OIC) Women’s Advisory Council at the Presidential Palace complex in Ankara.
In his speech, Erdoğan also criticized discrimination against Muslim women. “Headscarves are gradually being banned in EU states with the public – personal space trick, attempting to bar Muslim women from entering social life. Attempts to incarcerate Muslim women in their homes is spreading like a virus,” Erdoğan said.
“Today, most EU countries actively restrict Muslim women from working and getting access to education. Those who are teaching us lessons on human rights are unfortunately applauding as the most basic human rights are being trampled in their countries.”…
mariam rove says
This is why Turkey should never be admitted to the EU. m
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mariam, the popular opinion in Turkey now is that Turks are longer interested in joining filthy christian EU with declining economy. Turkish economy is fast growing. Take your Christian EU to hell. Idiots!!
Wellington says
So good, you reprobate, Ibrahim, you apologist for the worst and stupidest religion of all time, to once in a while be in agreement with you.
Yes, Turkey not in the EU can only be a positive for Western Civilization, which civilization pioneered far more rights, promoted and expanded freedom, created the greatest technological heritage of any civilization ever (my God, you think that massively dysfunctional major people, the Arabs, would on their own have figured out how to get oil out of the earth?) and which has demonstrated a capacity to apologize for its wrongdoings which the Islamic world to this day NEVER has, even though the Islamic world has so much to apologize for (e.g., engaging in the African slave trade eight centuries before the West did and continuing it even after the West was the first civilization in history to realize slavery was wrong and which took many measures to end it, including the use of the British navy and army to stop Muslims from continuing to enslave black Africans and which is why any black who is a Muslim is even more ignorant than non-black Muslims, and God knows they are ignorant enough).
Have a nice day, idiot.
mortimer says
Ibrahim, 10 million Muslims are apostasizing every year. That means that within 100 years, two-thirds of Muslims will have apostasized… that is, if the rate of apostasy will not rapidly increase.
I believe we are seeing the first generation of truly bold apostates from Islam. They are merely the vanguard. They are writing books and making videos that deconstruct, denounce and demolish Islam intellectually, morally and historically. There is no argument left with which you can defend Islam. All the traditional explanations of Islam have been shown to be fraudulent. Therefore, you may abandon Islam with confidence.
Frank Talk says
I agree almost entirely. Just a couple of pointers. #1 Yes west was first civilization which realized slavery was wrong. This happened before the protestant reformation. The west then re-introduced slavery in the new world while the Catholic church continued to condemn the practice. Many Catholics did practice slavery against the expressed teachings of their CHurch. Nonetheless, the west was the first to speak out against the evil of slavery. #2 Arab Muslim slave trade may have been worse in that the practice was to castrate all black male slaves. This is a fact that is little known, but it is true. If you are a Muslim convert from Christianity and have any African heritage, you may want to consider this fact especially if you left Christianity because of the legacy of slavery in the West. Consider the Catholic Church, at least it never condoned the practice and it was the first religion in the world to recognize the evil of slavery.
mortimer says
By the way, Ibrahim, the gdp of Turkey is smaller than that of Spain and will remain smaller until at least 2030. So much for the big growth.
Turkey is unstable. Invest there if you like instability and paying tons of baqshish. Ha.
gravenimage says
Let’s see–the per capita annual GDP of Turkey is $10,787 (USD, 2016), compared with the EU, where the per capita GDP is $35,632 (USD, 2016).
Surely even Ibrahim itace muhammed realizes that this second figure is much higher…or, maybe I’m giving him too much credit…
But if he wants to convince his fellow Muslims to stay out of the civilized West, God knows I am *all for it*.
gravenimage says
Yes–Turkey does not belong in Nato.
JustADutchGuy says
A college of me, he is turkish and muslim here in the netherlands. He once said to me. “To be a muslim I need to honor and believe everything the bible and jewish bible tells me and all their prophets the same way as I honor and believe in the koran, allah and his prophet mohammed because all these holy books are connected and all prophets that we speak of in the bible and the jewish one also are in the koran, I must believe in all of them, the koran is just the last of the holy books” he said. So basically if you say fuck christianity you aint a true muslim because jesus is also a prophet in islam..
Though for me personally I reject every form of religion. I think they are all fake and only bring wars and they devide people.
This same college once said aswell “what we see happening in the world now is ‘devide and conquer’ we must come together to stop this from happening”.
And you know he is right. But for as long as there are religions people will be devided. Also muslims are the wost of all, why? Because christianity became far less serious then it was in the past and made place for much more freedom while islam is alot “younger” religion. Its not as old and therefor still “happening” and yh the jews got pretty much slaughtered thx to germany so not as much left as before and they live quite on the background religion wise.
But because islam is still so “ungoing” it only brings violence and war like they (you) live in the damned middle ages…
Humans are so smart yet still so maby believe in this nonsence while there is no proof at all besides some damned books… How do you mean brainwashed…
Paul Ashley says
Your college friend is wrong about how Islam regards the Bible. The actual Bible as we have it is deemed to have been corrupted from some imagined original version which was explicitly Muslim. Think for a bit here: if Islam reverse the Bible so much why is it not studied in any mosque? Why is it banned in Saudi Arabua, the home of Islam?
Greyhound Fancier says
Blaming Europeans for “incarcerating muslim women in their homes”? That is rich.
Erdogan, stop telling the women how to dress, who to marry, when to marry, and stop barring the girls and women from attending school! Stupid sharia rules about hijab requirements are what is stopping mohammedan women from appearing in public.
Europeans are only trying to protect themselves from dangerous murderous jihadis, who have and will use the women’s portable tents as a cover to sneak around town to harm innocent kaffir.
JustADutchGuy says
Yeah it is not just “rich” it is just not true at all :p.
The only place where muslim women could have problems with jobs are in public functions like the police, the army etc. Public functions for the goverment. Cuz in the netherlands church and state are seperated. That means it is forbidden to show ANY sign of religion when you have a public function or to weat any religion clothing. This counts from a cross necklace to a racket (jewish hat thing or how you call it) and also for the hijab.
Just a few weeks ago a new employé of the dutch police went to court to complain that she was not allowed to wear her hijab at work. Her function at the police was making reports in front of a webcam so people can report from home so it is a public funtion because ahe is in visual contact with citizens as an employé of the state. She and her lawyer spoke of racism and selectiveness of the state. That this law only counted for islamic women. But I NEVER saw a police officer christian or jewish signs or clothing ever so thats bs ofcourse. Luckely the judge rejected it but this is the mindset of muslims. They always draw the victim card even when its bs. So even if they are treated exactly as everyone else pure equality its not good cuz that means no hijab xD the only equality they want is if everyone is muslim..
But yeah I wandered a bit off xD sorry about that.
Sovereign Man says
As opposed to what Erdogan is saying, the purpose of the hijab and other wrappings for Muslim women is specifically to prevent them from socializing. It will always be a barrier – between Muslim women and men, and Muslim women and all non-Muslims. Islam is all about control, hence why the term Islam itself means “submission.”
gravenimage says
Erdogan: The aim of the term “moderate Islam” is to “weaken Islam”
…………………….
An admission that the strength of Islam is its brutal savagery.
mortimer says
Though I agree that Islam is savagery, I believe Erdogan is actually speaking to his Turkish opposition parties and THREATENING TO PUNISH THEM for blasphemy!
Erdogan is PRESUMING to speak for ORTHODOX ISLAM, and therefore, he is acting like a new CALIPH.
Erdogan and only Erdogan defines Islam and if you disagree with Caliph Erdogan, he will destroy you.
I believe he is making a DEATH THREAT DIRECTED TOWARDS THE TURKISH OPPOSITION PARTIES.
Islam has a doctrine called ‘TAQLID’ which means that Muslims should be BRAINDEAD in the matter of religious interpretation.
Caliph Erdogan will do all the thinking for everyone…if they know what’s good for them!
Diane Harvey says
Something the snowflakes & cupcakes at Stanford might consider.
What is Robert Spencer is correct?
The French are learning firsthand; so too the Germans, the Swedes, et alia.
mortimer says
Diane, they cannot think for themselves, because this is MARXIST LOCKSTEP PARTY LINE.
I do agree with you.
Would it not be MORE INTELLECTUAL for the students at STANDFORD to read Robert Spencer’s books and articles BEFORE they take a position on them? Prejudice means to judge something prior to learning the facts.
How can they take a position if they have not gathered the facts and analyzed and tested them? That is the true INTELLECTUAL APPROACH.
jewdog says
Notice the unbridled nature of Erdogan’s accusations against Europe. This is reminiscent of the hysteria against Israel and serves as a rationale for violence.
Jack Holan says
I won’t address your user name since as a Jew that combination is highly offensive and I thick skinned.
The irony for Erdogan is he groveled to become a bonafide Member Of Europe. First, the honey; Turkeys economic value, conduit to the East for EU. Then the strategic geographical value, excellent military for NATO. Then Erdogan reverted to his true self the hammer. Denial of Air Base Use. Intolerance of criticism and demanding Merkel jail her citizens for Freedom of Speech. He’s your typical Theicratic despot seeking maximum power.
mortimer says
Agreeing with Jack’s concern that the pseudo of JD is an incitement to dumb cavemen to be anti-Semitic, however, I understand that “JD” is intentionally using the name ‘ironically’. Irony is however often lost or not vaguely understood ON LINE in a forum like this.
I never use JD’s ironical pseudo, because I am very PROTECTIVE of my beloved Jewish friends and neighbours who are as dear my family.
I discourage the continued use of that pseudonym and hope jd will find a new one that is less ambiguous and insulting.
Jack Holan says
Thanks
Westman says
Where is “Big Ben” Maldonado? He can comment here just like all participants. Come on, Ben, tell us that Erdogan didn’t mean what he said, was taken out of context by Mr. Spencer, or, only those who read Arabic can get the correct meaning.
Could you tell us what relationship exists between Stanford and Turkey? That might have the potential to be groundbreaking historiography.
Wellington says
Just what I was thinking, Westman. But sloppy thinkers like “Ben” rarely if ever follow up after their initial ignorant volley. (Go ahead, Ben, if you’re reading this. I say you can’t provide diddly squat of an argument, but shatter all of us here at JW with your knowledge and insights about Islam and world religions in general.)
Yes indeed, the Ben Maldonados in the West function as useful idiots for the one major religion which is replete with hate, violence and massive control-freak inclinations, as Erdogan himself has provided evidence of many times over.
Bet Ben doesn’t even have a clue how many DOCUMENTED Islamic terrorist attacks have occurred just since 9/11. Over 32,000 and the Bens in stupid college-land are clueless here.
In short, Islam is an enemy of freedom. But so are the Ben Maldonados of the world due to the kind of ignorance Ayn Rand despised because it only prolongs the existence of evil. And if Islam isn’t evil, then nothing is evil.
Gettin’ any of this, Ben? Of course you’re not.
Diane Harvey says
Obviously enough Ben bit off more than he could chew. Nevertheless there’s a silver lining for him, if he has enough wisdom. All the remarks given to him in that post contain a lot of good, solid information about Islam. Yeah, there’s some snark, but that can be ignored. Americans know so little about Islam and Muslim behaviors (which are remarkably consistent for the past 1400 years).
Will Ben or other Stanford students be wise and follow up some of the links in those comments?
Wellington says
Yes, Diane, there’s a sliver of hope for the Bens of this world, and indeed, just looking at things from a probability standpoint, a small percentage of the Bens of this world (perhaps even Ben himself) will learn from the many errors of their ways.
But most such people won’t (and my money would be on Ben never learning, though I would love to lose this bet). And herein lies the sadness, the uselessness and the tragedy of it all. Yes, a trinity here never to be accorded accolades but only regretted that it exists in the first place.
Feared too should be this trinity since ignorance of evil, especially when masquerading as something sapient, as so many uninformed non-Muslims are inclined to engage in in defense of the totalitarian creed which is Islam, is an inordinate enemy of liberty.
Thus is the way of things. Mankind never learns. And the Bens of this world are merely pawns in a game they participate in but will never master———-or even know they are playing the game at all. Mastering matters requires a much higher level. Robert Spencer has attained this level but so many who haven’t ignorantly want to pull the master down. Thus has been the way of things through the centuries and millennia.
gravenimage says
Some people *do* wise up. I hate to say it, but I was pretty clueless about Islam when I was in college.
Of course, there is less excuse for it now…
Wellington says
Being ignorant of Islam back in the Cold War Days, gravenimage, was far more understandable and defensible than being ignorant of it now (especially if young, as you and I were back in that Mesozoic Era). Then, Marxism was the great enemy, just as before the Cold War, Nazism and Imperial Japan were. So no wonder so many people who fought Marxism valiantly (examples being Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II) did not pay much attention to Islam, which really only began to awake from its centuries-long slumber while the Cold War, the “war du jour,” was in its midst.
One enemy at a time and all that. That’s why I cut people like Reagan, Thatcher and John Paul a break respecting their “take” on Islam (though John Paul, being the intellectual and scholar he was, should have known more than Reagan and Thatcher about the nemesis which Islam is—–and his kissing of the Koran was a mistake of a very high order). Such leaders then were fighting (and winning) a different war at the time. But now there is no excuse for remaining ignorant of Islam some sixteen years after 9/11. Anyone who presently still cuts Islam a break is willfully ignorant and not just ignorant (huge difference as I know you know).
Just my take on things. As always, hope you are doing well in a very unwell time.
Greyhound Fancier says
He’s also young and foolish. He might have his eyes open before it’s too late.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington.
GF, I hope you are right. This is, after all, why Robert Spencer speaks at colleges.
mortimer says
Compliments to Wellington for a very thought-provoking question for the STICK-IN-THE-MUDS who refuse to learn about jihad.
I will start using this question to encourage people to think independently, rather than swallow predigested propaganda provided by the Muslim Brotherhood.
Benedict says
“Today, most EU countries actively restrict Muslim women from working and getting access to education.” –
Hopefully that could urge Muslim families to leave Europe and move to a Muslim country where women can get an education and a work outside their homes. In fact a woman who works outside her home will provide work for to persons: the woman herself and her male guardian thus reducing unemployment.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Is Erdogan criticizing EU countries when he says, “Attempts to incarcerate Muslim women in their homes is spreading like a virus. … Today, most EU countries actively restrict Muslim women from working and getting access to education.” ? So Erdogan disapproves of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdah and wants Muslimahs to work outside the home, unaccompanied by their mahrams?
That sounds downright Kemalist of him.
Linde Barrera says
In my opinion, Erdogan wants to be the next caliph (dictator) of the Muslim world. He is a monster now and will be worse if he gets even more power. In my opinion, Erdogan belongs with Satan. ?
Westman says
Erdogan: ” Today, most EU countries actively restrict Muslim women from working and getting access to education… ”
How can the leader of a nation utter such contemptible lies without a moment’s flicker of morsl conscience? They are only asked to reveal enough for positive identification.
Let’s correct that statement: “Today, most OIC countries actively restrict Muslim women from working and getting access to education, because they are declared inferior to men in the Qur’an.”
Much better. Check it out Ben, Quran (4:34) “Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. ..”
Ben, explain how women, who must guard in the husband’s absence and cannot go anywhere without a relative, could go to work or college while the husband is also at work? And that striking the wife? Moderate?
TheOldOligarch says
To be fair, I agree completely with what he’s saying. This alleged ‘moderate Islam’ is indeed an attempt by the West to weaken (defang) Islam. That’s because the West really doesn’t want to have to crush Islam wholesale like we should have done hundreds of years ago.
R Russell says
Erdogan once said that Sunnis and Shias should leave the differences behind and concentrate on what they agree on – this would include their attitude to Israel.
Peace will not come to the Middle East.
Kay says
How twisted! Before Erdogan came to power, women in Turkey didn’t wear headscarves.
Papa Whiskey says
Erdogan’s been pissing and moaning about “moderate Islam” for years. On Turkish TV in August of 2007, he said,‘There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.’ Then, in April of 2009, in a speech to the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies, ‘… Islam cannot be classified as moderate or not.’
Guess one of these days we’ll have to take him at his word.
Jack Holan says
When Erdogan wasspeaking to the women at their Convention and the words “lathered u entered his mind,then uttered beyond his lips; what was he REALLY thinking about in that room filled with women?
Ren says
Erdogan is utterly honest on islam. Islam is not a religion of peace as the media tends to make us believe.
mortimer says
Erdogan blames the ban on partriachal, discriminatory headscarves on PROGRESSIVE EUROPE, rather than OPPRESSIVE ISLAM!
Ha! Preposterous backwards thinking!
Taqlid means brain-dead. Moderate Muslims think for themselves. Good Muslims let the mullahs think for them.
Taqlid means uncritical following or blind adherence or mental bondage. A Moslem should accept all religious explanations without questioning, evaluating, verifying or criticizing. He is to accept them as a dead body accepts preparation for burial. A Moslem gives uncritical, unconditional obedience to his religious leader and thus is ideally brain dead in matters of religion.
LeftisruiningCanada says
““Headscarves are gradually being banned in EU states with the public – personal space trick, attempting to bar Muslim women from entering social life. Attempts to incarcerate Muslim women in their homes is spreading like a virus,” Erdoğan said.”
Isn’t that an interesting example of islamic thinking right there?
In the muslim mind, the logic may run something like this:
*A woman simply must wear the headcovering, if not a full body covering, outside of her home;
*Some western countries/districts are banning wearers of such garment from various aspects of public life;
*Therefore, it is the west that is barring women from social life, and it is the west that is keeping women shut away in their homes.
Amazing. And yet leftist thinking seems tailor made to accept it.
Infidel says
This animal, masquerading as a leader, is one of the most vile and intolerant creatures inhabiting this planet of ours..
Infidel says
But in a way, I’m happy that this animal is making such statements… THE MASK IS OFF..
eduardo odraude says
Muhammad orders the torture of a man in order to get hold of a treasure
We learn of that in the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, pages 511-517 (758-766 in the Arabic). https://archive.org/stream/TheLifeOfMohammedGuillaume/The_Life_Of_Mohammed_Guillaume#page/n279/mode/1up
The same pages in that earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad also tell us that after the torture, Muhammad had the man beheaded, and that later that night, or the next, Muhammad took into his private tent for consummation of “marriage” the tortured man’s widow, whose father and other male relatives Muhammad had just killed.
The following video begins with the words “Dear Muslim,” spoken by a former Muslim who goes by the moniker “Brother Ismaa’eel.” As you will see, Brother Ismaa’eel, who is fluent in Arabic and English, displays and very clearly explains in this video the primary Islamic source texts where those actions of Muhammad are described by early Muslims themselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSV-0HdiFEM
Sarah says
This idiot and his supporters (at least half of Turkey – let that one sink in) are the exact reason why Turkey needs to be booted from NATO and never, ever, ever granted permission to join the EU.
So, that means that Turkey will absolutely stay in NATO and any day now, the EU will get the membership stuff finished up.
God forbid the West behaves logically and sensibly about its own safety and future.
John Forbes says
ERDOGAN SHOWS THE REAL FACE OF ISLAM ! HE HAS ALSO THREATENED TO FLOOD GERMANY WITH MANY MORE MUSLIM ILLEGALS BUT HERE MERKEL HAS GEORGE SOROS WHO HAS BEEN NOT ONLY BRINGING ILLEGALS TO EUROPE BUT HAS ALSO BEEN EDUCATING THEM ON HOW TO LIE TO AUTHORITIES TO GET IN !
WITH THIS TRIO WORKING AGAINST EUROPEAN NATIONS & NO POLITICAL WILL TO ACTUALLY STEM ANY FLOW OF ILLEGALS OR STOP ANYTHING THE FLOOD WILL CONTINUE WITH NOT ONLY FULL POPULATION REPLACEMENT BUT AN END TO DEMOCRACY THAT SOROS ALSO BELIEVES IN ANYWAY AS DOES ERDOGON & I ASSUME MERKEL DOES AS WELL !
NONE ARE PRO DEMOCRACY !! ERGODON IS PRO ISLAM ONLY i BELIEVE & SEEKS TO RESTORE THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE OR AT THE VERY LEAST A GIG PART OF THIS !
mach37 says
That headline seems to bode somewhat better for legitimizing Islamophobia in the West. Erdogan’s statement should receive wide notice, repetitive notice, in the UK and Canada, as well as the US; along with the usual quotes and verse number from the Qur’an to support it.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Wellington, you should know that no nation has monopoly over human knowledge. many nations, especially in Asia, are now bypassing Christian west in terms of tecnological breakthroughs. Turkey is now leading in this direction. That is why the evil Christian nations are conspiring to create instability in Turkey to halt the pace of progress. It will fail. in the next decade the economy of turkey will bypass the economy of EU nations combined and that of the evil United States now facing threat of hydrogen bombs from North Korea which cause panicks in the minds of foreign investors. Check stock exchange Indices, US shares are falling day by day.
gravenimage says
*Turkey*? Surely Ibrahim itace muhammed jests…
Thomaspj Poovathinkal says
All
EVILS in today’s world are the consequence of Christian leaders BETRAYING the Son of God. Some Jews did IT but ONCE. And the Christian LEADERS!!!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Wellington, you are too myopic.No nation has monopoly over human knowledge. Turkey is now thriving technologically.That is why wicked Christian nations are conspiring to create instability in Turkey to halt the pace of progress. It will fail. In the next decade the economy of turkey will bypass the economy of EU nations combined and that of the evil United States. Take it from me. presently US economy is shrinking due to threat of hydrogen nuclear bombs from North Korea which cause panicks in the minds of foreign investors. check the indices of stock exchange, US shares are falling day by day.
eduardo odraude says
Turkey is thriving technologically?
Turkey, population 80 million. Patents in 2015: 136
Montana, population: 1 million. Patents in 2015: 168
Turkey, with about 80 times as many people as the U.S. state of Montana, has fewer patents than Montana!
The United States as a whole, with about 4 times the population of Turkey, had more than a thousand times as many patents as Turkey in 2015. U.S. patents in 2015: 156,000.
See the link. Turkey is not “thriving technologically.
eduardo odraude says
Here’s the link for patent data: https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/cst_all.htm
gravenimage says
Thanks for those stats, Eduardo. Very telling.
eduardo odraude says
Ibrahim itace Muhammad above claims that in the next decade Turkey will surpass the economy of the EU nations combined. He also has a bridge in NJ to sell you. Here are relevant economic statistics, Ibrahim:
2016 GDP Turkey: about 858 billion in U.S. dollars
2016 GDP EU: about 16 trillion in U.S. dollars
2016 GDP per capita, EU: about 36,000 U.S. dollars
2016 GDP per capita Turkey: about 11,000 U.S. dollars
https://www.google.com/search?q=turkey+gdp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=Turkey+GDP+per+capita&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/gdp
https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/gdp-per-capita
gravenimage says
Yes–he is living in a fantasy land. And with Turkey re-Islamizing, things there are apt to become even more pathetic.
Islamic mirror says
• ” The Muslim legal text, al-Sharwani’s Hawashi, confirms that sex with a dead woman is not sinful or wrong according to Islamic law. This law is based on the example set by Muhammad. According to the hadith, Muhammad had sex with a dead woman before she was put in the grave.
• The gravediggers were so embarrassed that they proceeded to bury the woman’s corpse and the prophet with dirt, exclaiming, “O Prophet, we see you do a thing you never did with anyone else.” Muhammad answered: “I have dressed her in my shirt so that she may be dressed in heavenly robes, and I have farewell intercourse with her in her grave so that the torments of the grave may be alleviated from her.” Recently a new law was proposed in the Muslim Brotherhood dominated Egyptian parliament. It would allow for “farewell intercourse” with a wife’s dead body. Obviously Muslims know very well about this demented practice by Mohammed. Postmortem sex is apparently a traditional value within Islam. Civilized people call it necrophilia and it’s a criminal act.
Under definition of Fatawa , in Wikipedia
In 2011-2012, Abdel-Bari Zamzami of Morocco issued a series of religious edicts that a man has the right to engage in sexual intercourse with his wife up to six hours after her death [47] despite recognizing that such an action is despicable in mainstream society, Zamzami persisted in backing his original fatwa, claiming marriage does not end in death.
Yes and this is a civilized religion ??
Islam respects a woman’s purpose on earth.
If a Muslim man beats his wife to death he can still have sex with her up to six hours after death.
We have got to admire their resourcefulness.
Islamic sick logic:
• muslims believe, camel urine is better than women.
• Muhammad’s solution to sickness was drinking camel urine .Arab muslims drink and wash their faces. Many muslim women use it to wash their hair, to make it longer, and to make it lighter and more lustrous.
• Girls urine is dirtier than boys
Karina says
I don’t really think there can be a moderate Islam…any changes made to ‘moderate’ it would fundamentally change it so much it would be unrecognizable.
That said, Erdogan’s statement proves that most or even nearly all Muslims want a hardline stance.
The tiny minority of the ones who see the problems with Islam tend to leave (at the risk of their own lives).
It really is an all or nothing cult.
Politicianphobia says
Wonderful to see I bra him taking time out from thighing some sweet little girl to post on JW.
Rich says
A LIE…..
by using the terms either radical or moderate islam is giving islam and the Koran
a pass/excuse in the West and the people
Graeme Howarth says
Well that IS interesting.
The publication has left the link intact but renamed it on their page. They seem to have removed the troublesome statement the Caliph’s on there being only one Islam and that the term “moderate” is being used to undermine Islam.
Obviously it did not look good to the editors’ bosses upon reflection!
Cheer Bear Girl says
There is no such thing as Moderate Islam. There are only two types of Muslims the Devout and the apostate. The Apostate is peaceful and the devout Muslim is dangerous.
Devout Christians,Devout Jews, Devout Hindus,Devout Pagans and Devout Buddhists are harmless. Many non-religious people are harmless too.
I wish I could say that about the majority of Devout Muslims but I cannot because it isn’t true.
Jihad is practiced by true Muslims. Apostates don’t practice Jihad nor are they for Sharia.