“The Foreign Ministry justified the decision to bring the children home by citing humanitarian considerations and Germany’s duty to protect its citizens.”
Protect its citizens by bringing back people who have been raised by jihadis? What could possibly go wrong?
“They also argued that the children would be better cared for by their relatives in Germany than in the detention centers.”
Yes, better they be raised by jihadis than by secular social workers, eh?
“Berlin to bring back children of German ‘Islamic State’ fighters — report,” by Rebecca Staudenmaier, DW, November 23, 2017:
The German government wants to bring back the children of German IS members who fought in Syria, according to a report. At least six children — including babies — are currently in detention centers in Iraq.
A fighter with teh [sic] Christian Syriac militia burns an IS flag in northern Syria (picture-alliance/AP Photo/M. Hussein)Diplomats with Germany’s Foreign Ministry requested exit permits from the Iraqi government for the children of detained German citizens who are members of the self-styled “Islamic State” (IS) group, a newspaper report published on Thursday stated.
At least six children are currently with their mothers in interrogation or detention centers in Iraq, according to information gathered by German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung and public broadcasters NDR and WDR.
The Foreign Ministry justified the decision to bring the children home by citing humanitarian considerations and Germany’s duty to protect its citizens. They also argued that the children would be better cared for by their relatives in Germany than in the detention centers.
Diplomats were able to visit the mothers and children in detention, where the women asked them to fly their children home, according to the report.
So far, Iraqi authorities have not made a decision on letting the children go back to Germany….
Linde Barrera says
The German government is composed of dummkopfs! And will these children be placed with relatives who are ISIS sympathizers? Or maybe these relatives are bone-head secularists? I conclude that Germany’s elected reps are clueless.
Pet Charles says
And of course after the children are sent to Germany, the ISIS fighters will miss their children and it will be inhumane to separate the children from their parents. So the ISIS fighters must return to Germany as well. Meanwhile, most of the people prosecuted in the international criminal court for crimes against humanity are Black (sub Sahara) African leaders!
Infidel says
+1
gravenimage says
German government to bring back the children of Islamic State jihadis from Germany
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I presume they will be bringing back the Jihadist mothers, as well, who will continue to raise them and teach them Jihad…
Ren says
Watch out: like father like son!
mortimer says
Little tigers turn into big tigers with large claws and teeth. If Germany does NOT DEPROGRAM MUSLIMS OUT OF ISLAM, then Islamic apologists will PROGRAM them to grow up as JIHADISTS.
Ren says
@mortimer
Insanity can not be deprogrammed as it is a mental state.
Ernie says
Hello Mortimer , can you give any reasonable proof of the effectiveness of deprogramming muslims out of islam ? Untill you do so I’ll regard your references to ” deprogramming ” as a failed strategy . I’ve asked you before ( several times ), and you didn’t answer/deliver . Why didn’t you answer my question Mortimer ?
Baucent says
Can’t say I’ve ever heard of a case where a muslim has abandoned their religion of Islam due to “deprogramming” by anyone. Muslims have been know to become apostates and reject the religion but not from someone intervening and putting them through a deprogramming course.
Perhaps you need to explain what you are talking about when mentioning “deprogramming”.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, when has this “deprogramming” of Muslims ever worked?
Victoria C. Howard says
This is a sticky issue. I really don’t know the solution because I’m not convinced reform is really ever possible for these kids. Sending them to the same relatives who raised their jihadi father’s sounds a little counterproductive.
Benedict says
“At least six children …”
Six children is a drop in the bucket compared to the jihadies already in Germany. The decision is probably just virtue signaling or preemptive appeasement policy masquerading as humanitarian considerations.
Let Muslims in the Arab World take care of their own to the honor of their moral superior religion.
Frank J. Verderber says
Well stated!!!
Wellington says
All right, this might come across as cold and calculating, but I don’t give a damn anymore. Here it is: I consider all Muslims, yes ALL Muslims, as lesser human beings, only the degree being a variable. Ditto for ALL Nazis back in the early twentieth century, ditto for all Marxists, many of whom are still around to this day (for instance at Harvard and Stanford), ditto for all KKK members, and certainly ditto for anyone who even remotely supports a brutal dictator like Kim Jon Un.
Thus, there comes a point where mankind, as a whole, must, for preservation’s sake, no longer go sappy about children of evil people. This is why, as an example, the relentless bombing of Nazi Germany by the American and British, even though such bombing killed many young German children, simply had to be done. And the fault for such can be entirely laid upon the Nazis who took control over Germany and led it to disaster, because civilization must sometimes, quite regrettably to be sure, stoop almost as low as the barbarian in order to preserve itself.
Like now. And so, to hell with these children. They are casualties not of Western Civilization but of the Islamic world and the West owes them NOTHING. All the fault here lies with Islam and it is maudlin to a lethal extreme to want to save them; after all, they are almost certainly already lost. Islam does this to a child. Oh yes it does. With great regularity.
mortimer says
Muslims MURDER their own minds by accepting the limitless stupidity, amorality and self-referential incoherence of Islam.
In that sense, they are true CULT MEMBERS who endlessly chant and repeat errant rubbish in the hope of pleasing a constantly enraged implacable deity whose outbursts of temper can explode with malicious glee at any moment.
Muslims who are most pious turn into a copy of Allah who is merely a copy of the diseased mind of Mohammed, an undiagnosed and unmedicated mental patient from the 7th century with ideas from the Bronze Age.
Benedict says
If Muslims are lesser human beings who then are the superiors to handle them and how? That’s critical to understand.
We in the West are privileged to be the custodians of the Judeo-Christian tradition and privilege confers responsibility. I we in this capacity had been vigilant, we should and could have insisted that Muslims, who wanted to settle and work in Europe leave their uncanny, political/religious hybrid of a religion behind, and if not: returned them to where they came from. And Muslims would probably have understood and accepted such a requirement, since that’s the way they reason in their culture – Measure for Measure, that’s respect. No Mosques should be built in order to facilitate a religion that can be a religion when it suits Muslims and politics – even politics resorting to violence – when that suits them.
Now it’s too late. The enemy has multiplied and gotten a foothold in Europe by naively being given territory here. We will pay a high price for our naivety, ignorance and derision of Christianity, that was and is the only protection from the evils and the destruction that inevitable follow Islam wherever it puts down roots.
The essential good thing that can be done for Muslims, now in-expellable from the West, is to persuade them to leave their faith and not in anyway facilitate their duplicitous religion. JW is not going to do that job and the questions are: who is and what are the means?
Wellington says
Benedict: You ask good questions. A good start.
To begin with, I proceed on the assumption, an eminently defensible one I would argue, that all ideologies, organizations and institutions which single out certain groups of human beings for second class status or death IN THIS WORLD are not only inferior but evil (e.g., the institution of American black slavery). And therefore, all those adhering or supporting such ideologies, organizations or institutions are, ipso facto, lesser human beings, deficient in a specific respect, clearly so, to those who don’t support such rot, no matter how many qualifications otherwise they might have or might have had (and I do take into account that what is considered completely unacceptable now, e.g., slavery, should not be read into past times to such an extent that all people who accepted such should be dismissed as of no account————this would constitute a self-righteous and historically blind element which is itself another type of error).
There are, of course, variances, gradations and so on, but no person, even a child, and certainly no adult, who advances, say, Islam, Nazism, Marxism, the KKK, et al. can be considered the equal, ethically speaking, to those who do not and who clearly see what rot such things as Islam, Nazism, Marxism and the KKK are. It is not really the case that such persons who see this crap as rot are superior (your description, not mine); rather, it is that those who don’t are clearly inferior.
Second, as for persuading Muslims to leave their belief system, this is definitely a good thing. No doubt. Ditto for KKK members, Neo-Nazis, Marxists, anarchists, et al. But here is where I distinctly disagree with you: You asserted that JW is not going to facilitate the exodus of Muslims from their warped creed. To the contrary, in its own way JW is putting forth daily a veritable plethora of reasons, explicitly and implicitly, why Muslims should leave the worst religion ever created by man. In short, it’s doing its “bit.”
Yes, I know that Robert Spencer has many times called upon Muslims to reform their faith, but I for one believe this is no more possible than reforming Nazism or Marxism. I suspect way down deep inside Spencer knows this too but I don’t speak for him, I merely guess here. But I don’t guess where my mind is concerned, to wit, Islam is absolutely incapable of reform and it needs to be assigned to the trash heap of history as much as Nazism and other heinous ideologies have been. Indeed, and as I have many times asserted here at JW, Islam is the seventh-century prototype for Nazism, particularly for two reasons: 1) it is an inveterate enemy of liberty; 2) it singles out a good portion of mankind for second-class status or death.
Your turn if you care to respond.
Benedict says
W: I won’t diminish Robert Spencer’s work. He is a watchman on the wall and desperately needed. But I don’t think Muslims read him and if they do, most probably think he has taken it as his hobby and professional job to tease them. He is therefore more likely to aggravate them and make them more stubbornly and defiantly defend their duplicitous religion. Muslims themselves are deceived and therefore in turn they deceive others and to get behind this double barrier takes truth and extraordinary grace.
Opposing and fighting ideologies gravitate towards identity in means and methods, i.e. in spirit, and it is a delicate matter to avoid being sucked into their vortex. To designate the groups of people you mention as lesser human beings is to mirror their anthropology and it just feeds into their Weltanschauung. We must insist that Muslims, to stay with the menace that is most acute at this point in history, are flesh and blood as we all are, and fight their ideology and also and especially the incredible unwillingness of the Left in its moral relativism to discern its danger to the extent, that it naively and subconsciously(?) promotes the progress of Islam in the West and thus prepare the way for their and our doom.
As you probably have picked up I am of Christian persuasion, and I believe we are “Sinners in the hand of an angry God” and only in one place, eternally present in time and history, is “Immanuel” God with us, and that’s where the gospel is proclaimed and believed. Here the Left and Muslims unite in disbelief, resentment and in taken offense, but it is necessary that offense come. Unfortunately many conservatives are sceptics and agnostics with respect to the gospel.
Robert Spencer is not an evangelist and neither am I, and until these blessed creatures enter the scene, we are in a pitiful condition. Meanwhile we can scribble our words of wisdom in JW and read them, as you and I and others, eager to discuss and make our opinions heard, often do.
Roger says
Moslem kids have been brainwashed and intimidated from a very early impressionable age for thousands of years…They are never raised as normal children. They are bred to hate and to kill all things non-islamic..These kids will grow up as wolves in sheep’s clothing and when the time is right they will strike..You can never trust a rabid dog no matter how old it is..Once infected there is no cure.
rickMT says
Ditto!
Westman says
Which one of the little darlings has pulled trigger to kill kill someone as a demonstration of the new cubs of Allah?
gravenimage says
Good question. While most combatants historically, whether their cause is just or anything but, at least try to protect their own children from being exposed to violence, this is anything but the case with Jihadists. Many of their children have *already* killed people. There are profoundly disturbing videos where Muslim children are cutting the throats of victims. One of these–perversely–is held in a ruined playground.
mortimer says
These little darlings have all been indoctrinated to kill even at their tender ages. They are all ticking time bombs.
gravenimage says
Grimly true. It is worse than with the Hitler Youth.
tim gallagher says
As you say, Robert, what could possibly go wrong with this idiotic plan. It’s certainly not the right course of action if a government is trying to protect its non-Muslim citizens. I agree with Wellington’s comments above. To my mind, there’s just degrees of evil amongst Muslims, but they all have a bad attitude to non-Muslims. And I agree also that we owe Muslims nothing for the 1400 years of murder and suffering they have inflicted on the world. Well, Islam should be smashed for all the evil it has brought to humanity. That’s what Islam is owed. And these children, well, all Muslim children, would have already been deformed by the poisonous mindset of Islam. Keep all Muslims out. Bringing these children back is imbecilic and will be regretted by the non-Muslim Germans. Some of these children will quite likely show up later as terrorists if allowed back into Germany. The German government should protect its non-Muslim population and leave the children outside Germany.
tgusa says
Next up, the EU, through the use of superior brain power decides to create an army out of the hordes of recently arrived migrants. These migrants are then charged with defending the EU and their sponsors EUdom .
In a sane world this would be satire, however, in our world as it is now this is a Greek tragedy playing out right before our eyes.
Linda says
I’m sorry to say that when I first heard of ISIS teaching children to kill people, I thought I had better watch what YouTube videos or I wouldn’t believe it. Ordinarily, I am not drawn to macabre scenes, but I watched about 3 videos. In one, a man was tied up on his stomach on the floor. A little boy with an extremely big knife grabbed his hair. He closed his eyes and was very still. The little boy cut his head right off. In another one, two men were blindfolded and kneeling with their hands tied behind their backs. Two little kids were behind them with big guns. The little kids shot them right in the back of the head and they fell forward. In another, it looked like teenagers. One with a big knife grabbed another one and made him bend over. He held the knife high in the air and brought it down on the other teen’s neck. His head was loped right off.
Good luck to Germany in bring the “poor little children” to Germany. If I can find this information on the internet, what is Germany’s problem? Germany must truly be crazy.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The Germans are ‘humanitarianing’ themselves right into extinction.
Infidel says
WTF..??. Bring the snakelets back!!! They are already brainwashed into hatred against non-Muslims and no bringing back is going to help!!. Is Merkel doing another Turd or is Turd doing another Maama Merkel? Both these mad libtards are HELLBENT in outdoing each other to betray and destroy their own!!! WHAT A CRUEL JOKE IT IS TRANSPIRING TO BE ON THE ORDINARY DAY2DAY GERMANS AND CANADIANS!!!
Peterson says
We wonder why people in power can not see what is obvious to everybody. It is not that they are not able to see. It is just that their goals and your goals are different. We look at the issue from the standpoint of solving the issue. But those who are in power want to create an army of Muslims. The whole of Europe will be replaced by Muslims and the natives of Europe will be destroyed like that of Lebanon in a slow fashion
Georg says
Decedent, narcissistic masochism. And who pays the price? Same people as always.
Sarah says
German citizens – you bunch probably have a great case to take to the Human Rights Commission against your own government at this stage.
It can certainly,undeniably be argued that Merkel and Co are behaving in a way that absolutely does not have the human rights, let alone the best interests of the German voters in mind with their choices, behaviours and actions.
MFritz says
As a German I have reached the point where I am no longer ashamed of anything German politics come up with. I am only ashamed about the people who vote for these parties and their politicians AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
utis says
I have an immodest proposal: let the kids in, work on them, and if they injure someone, punish everyone in the chain of permission (judges, lawyers, psychologists, and other “experts”), who said they were good to go. Severe punishment – starting with job loss and re-employment in the same occupation. These “experts” are either correct in their judgements , or they’re no better than a Roman seer looking through animal guts to make a decision. The taxpayers of Europe deserve real accountability. Beginning with their leaders.
Cheer Bear Girl says
I expect this type of insanity in an episode of Southpark not reality.
NotAFool says
The ethnic cleansing of Europeans was always enacted under the language of good intentions.