This is no surprise. The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law. It’s based on the Qur’an: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”
Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”
But German authorities don’t seem to care. After all, it isn’t as if some actually important crime, such as “Islamophobia,” were being committed.
“Persecution of Christians by Muslim Migrants Moves from Asylum Homes to the Streets,” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, November 9, 2017:
After several reports showed that Christians were being systematically persecuted in German asylum homes, the problem has now moved from the homes to the streets.
Gottfried Martens, the pastor of a free church in Berlin, claims that while over the last year or so asylum homes have become much safer for Christians, he has seen the persecution of Christians, especially converts from Islam, continue, Die Welt reports.
“Many who were in refugee shelters a year ago now have private homes,” Martens said but claimed that attacks on Christians now occurred on the streets or at metro stations.
Over the past year across the country, there have been several attacks on Christians including the murder of an Afghan woman in Prien am Chiemsee which police believe had a religious motive behind it.
The 38-year-old mother-of-four was stabbed to death in May by a male Muslim Afghan asylum seeker, and while police suspected a religious motive, the local Protestant church denied the act had anything to do with religion.
In September, another attack occurred in Berlin where a 23-year-old Afghan male convert was beaten by young men in a migrant-populated part of the city after they spotted him wearing a cross around his neck.
Ado Greve of the Christian charity Open Doors, which published an extensive report last year regarding violence against Christians, said: “Those who are attacked usually do not want to attract any attention and often feel they are not getting enough help from the authorities. The police can only respond to specific cases.”
Rosemarie Götze, known as Sister Rosemarie, does not think the situation has improved for Christians at all in the Berlin district of Neukölln where the attack against the Afghan convert took place.
Every Sunday, she holds a German-Persian service and hears harsh criticism against Islam from Afghan and Iranian congregants who say they hate Islam and some refuse to speak to Muslims.
Sister Rosemarie said a few speak about the attacks: “They are afraid that they will continue to be attacked or that families who are still abroad may learn that they have become Christians.”
Dum Spiro says
We need some of those Christians to tell their stories in Canada and the United States. (It’s less painful to learn things vicariously.)
That should help citizens of those countries understand better…
— Spero
mariam rove says
In Iran, they are so afraid of people converting that each Sunday the police stationed out side of the churches to make sure no muslim goes in. M
gravenimage says
Thanks, miriam–I have heard of similar things in other Muslim countries.
Peter Buckley says
“Every Sunday, she holds a German-Persian service and hears harsh criticism against Islam from Afghan and Iranian congregants who say they hate Islam and some refuse to speak to Muslims.”
And so it goes on. Here in the UK, one of the service-takers in one of our largest Cathedrals is a convert from Islam:. He even leads a service designed purely for Iranian converts:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/05/european-churches-growing-flock-muslim-refugees-converting-christianity
This has never happened in the history of Islam. And its happening precisely because muslims are living in secular states, which allow them to choose. You won’t stop this now. The cat’s out of the bag………
Sarah says
I’m done with sympathy for the Germans. I felt terribly sorry for the German people when Merkel did what she did – they weren’t given the choice or the ability to exercise their decision making powers. She robbed them of that. But they voted her back in. They made their bed, they can lie in it.
Of COURSE the Christian refugees are being persecuted. Most of the Christian refugees aren’t even getting into the West. They can’t even enter the UN Refugee Camps to begin with – the Muslims won’t let them. So they aren’t being selected via the UN – and they aren’t flooding across the borders like the self-entitled, demanding little takers that the Muslims are.
I am reminded of when the world media BRIEFLY focused on the plight of the Yazidi’s during ISIS reign. They’d been slaughtered, assaulted, terrorized, kidnapped and sold into slavery, they’d been run off from their homes and assets and everything they’d ever known and owned. And remember that large, last group of them that was literally backed into a corner, with the mountain on one side – and the Muslims gunning for them, from the other?
I remember. And I remember that Obama air-dropped in some food parcels. Whoop-dee-doo, you vile animal. You threw some MRE’s and bottled water at their head’s and left them to be slaughtered. And then started trying to convince the Americans that they should be excited to open their country up and accept, THE MUSLIMS.
The mind boggles. Germany has destroyed itself. Not my problem and I refuse to waste another minute of worry over them. And frankly, given their collective cultural mindset – I don’t want any groups of Germans migrants near my nation either; given that if they were to bolt from Germany and re-settle elsewhere in the West, they’re just going to bring the exact same political and cultural attitude’s that got them into this mess, with them to our nations. That’s not a wise move on our behalf. Same with the Swede’s, really.
Anyone who is surprised by this news, is an idiot. Anyone who is outraged – has far more energy to devote to this than I do. Because its nothing new. This is how Muslims behave towards literally anyone who is not of their exact same strain of Islam.
I guess I should be glad to see ex-Muslims looking to leave Islam behind – but I find myself getting exasperated at their desire to dump Islam – and jump on board with Christianity. For Pete’s sake. Can you not just think clearly for once in your lives and use some independent reason? These people seemingly cannot survive without some sort of religion forcibly guiding them through life. Its pathetic. You would think that they would have had their fill of any organized religion to last them a lifetime.
eduardo odraude says
Even if Christianity is only a tissue of fantasy, it remains a fact that the Christian paradigm was a key factor in the evolution of freedom in Europe and in Europe’s cultural, social, and religious dynamism and openness for two thousand years. Also, one can keep in mind that one important reason Europe is relatively defenseless today against the Islamic tide is that too many Europeans don’t believe in anything other than material life. If that is all one ultimately believes in, it should be no great surprise if one inclines to the view that anything is better than death, and that one should therefore surrender to just about anything if surrender preserves one’s life and permits one to maintain safety and physical comforts for the time being. If transcendent values are fictions, if people start living for bread alone and survival alone, then it will be to hell with “abstractions” like freedom of conscience, which you cannot eat or drink or keep warm with. Such people will be somewhat readier than Christians to roll over for invading fanatics.
So all kinds of non-Muslims are absolutely necessary to resist the Islamic tide: Christians, atheists, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, animists, and any Muslims willing to publicly denounce jihad and sharia need to unite.
It’s easy to get peeved at Germany, but if Germany, France, England, Italy and other European nations do not survive the next generation as liberal democracies with freedom of speech and conscience, one must also doubt the longevity of the US as a liberal democracy. Can the US survive as an island in an Islamic sea a generation or two from now?
The US needs Europe. And there is hope right now in Poland and Hungary in that respect. If in a generation many non-Muslims in Western Europe have become dhimmis in the aftermath of civil wars, those European dhimmis may be able to avoid gradual extinction by getting to Poland and Hungary, from which a Reconquista could one day go forth. The cultures that produced Goethe, Monet, Shakespeare, Michelangelo and countless other great innovators of humanity should live on.
gravenimage says
Good post, Eduardo.
There are some Agnostics and Atheists, though–including many here are Jihad Watch–who are principled people willing to put themselves at risk to defend civilized Western values, despite their lack of belief in an afterlife.
Roger says
As Winston Churchill warned many years ago…”Islam in a man is as dangerous as Rabies in a dog”….These mad dogs should be shot on sight…Why are Western people so spineless that they keep “turning the other cheek”…Learn any form of self defence and arm yourselves because by the time police arrive on the scene you might already be dead or seriously injure…Agreed, not everyone will survive an attack on their person but the same will go for these Rabid dogs…About time the free world sent a real message to these bastards..
gravenimage says
Germany: Muslim migrants systematically persecuting Christian refugees, especially converts from Islam
…………………….
We have seen this disgusting behavior before. While Muslims hate *all* Christians, they especially do not want them to be able to escape Islam as apostates or former dhimmis in the West.
And the West is–to its shame–doing little to protect them.
Karina says
Now immigrants are turning on each other.
I think it’s disgusting how Muslims play the victim all the time while they are the biggest racists/sexists/xenophobes/bullies.
gravenimage says
Most immigrants are fine, and harm no one–but Muslims violently persecute others, none more so than those they don’t want to see escape Muslim oppression.
MFritz says
Actually Christians, converts… and gay people. This has been known for a couple of years. But authorities don’t do anything about it and the public isn’t told about it by the media.
Ciudadano says
This was predicted but politicians didn’t care. This is exactly what Muslims do to Christians in islamic countries. There are “334 million persecuted Christians in the world”, mainly in Islamic countries
https://www.romereports.com/en/2016/11/18/334-million-persecuted-christians-in-the-world-according-to-aid-to-the-church-in-need/
This intolerance and violence comes straight from islamic doctrine and law. It is no coincidence that 13 Muslim-majority countries punish apostasy or “blasphemy” (ie the least criticism of Islam or mahoma) with death
https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death–Z110j2Uwxb
Most islamic countries haven’t signed off the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, instead they signed off their own Cairo Declaration of Human Rights which explicitly rejects freedom of conscience and religion and establishes superiority of Islam over other religions.
Time and again islamic countries are the worst human right infractors.
https://www.voanews.com/a/article-17-countries-top-list-of-worlds-worst-human-rights-abusers-122958138/160303.html
The west capitulated on pushing human rights and democracy on islamic countries, instead it is importing this madness into its own societies.
vyx says
It certainly doesn’t help any when the Pope seems to support islam no matter what. He should be a leading voice against this sort of thing, but instead, appears to be another cheerleader for the islam. Sad really.
eduardo odraude says
Muslim ship captains in charge of migrant boats to Europe have been known to have all the Christians thrown overboard. No surprise there. The other Muslims on board do the captain’s bidding, beat the Christians and throw them into the Mediterranean to drown.
And Europe is letting these murderers in by the millions per year? Oh wait. That’s right, killing non-Muslims is not really murder in Islamic law, unless the non-Muslims are dhimmis, but even then the life of a non-Muslim is legally deemed of far less worth than that of a Muslim.
gravenimage says
This is grimly true, Eduardo–and these are just the stories we hear about. I sure there are more, where no one says anything and the crime stays hidden.
Lydia says
Where is all they outcry for these victims and against the backlash they suffer at the hands of muslims?
The media is silent on that for the most part.
Gary says
irregardless of what muslims may believe…..
“Blessed is the one who is not offended by me.”
(Jesus Circa 33 A.D.)
More Ham Ed says
I Just wanted to let everyone know about David Wood’s recent really great video.
Those who know me a little know that I only refer to the best of the best when it comes to videos.
You can watch it while heating-up a ham & swiss or while cooking bacon or while eating a salad with bacon bits – or your favorite food whatever it is. Thanks David Wood & thanks Robert.
“Why All Mass Violence Is Now Islamic Terror”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMJ5MUc4flo
gravenimage says
Even more brilliant than most of David Wood’s work, which is saying a great deal.
R Russell says
Get used to it. That is what they have also been doing in places like Cologne etc when there are German festivals. The women are sexually assaulted in accordance with sharia and the German authorities are complicit by telling women not to go out without a chaperone.
Germany isn’t alone in this. It is happening in all the EU countries affected by the hijrah.
Take a long look at the ideology, although not perfect, which gave us the freedoms we have, allowing women to freely go about their business, and compare it with the incoming ideology which seeks to kill all who refuse to join and rape women at random.
Which do you prefer and what are you going to do about it before it is too late?
Walter Sieruk says
This great and awful conflict between the Christian West and the Islamic East has been termed “The War of Idea’s” So with that term along with the ,above, picture of the Muslim man striking a Christian man with his fist. So all this is a very strong reminder of the 1979 movie which is entitled TIME AFTER TIME.
For the hero of that movie had said “The first man to raise his fist is the man who has run out of idea’s”
Therefore it may only be concluded that in this “War of idea’s ” between the Christian West and the Islamic East it must be those men who are the followers of Islam who are the one’s who have “run out of idea’s.”
terry says
You never see a muslim go one on one with someone their physical equal.
They roam in packs like dogs.
terry says
You never see a muslim go one on one with their physical equal.
They roam in packs like dogs.