Yet New York Deputy Police Commissioner John Miller says, “This isn’t about Islam, this isn’t about the mosque he attends.”
But doesn’t Miller have even the smallest modicum of curiosity about why devoutness in Islam and jihad violence so often go together? Despite frequent propaganda claims to the contrary, jihad terrorists are always devout Muslims. This doesn’t mean that every devout Muslim will become a jihad terrorist, but every jihad terrorist is certainly a devout Muslim. Might Islam, then, contain some clues as to the motives and goals of jihadis, that might aid law enforcement officials in understanding them better and countering them more effectively? Miller and others like him refuse even to consider this possibility.
“New York attack suspect’s family was ‘very mysterious,’ neighbor says,” by Barbara Demick, Los Angeles Times, November 1, 2017:
Even in a neighborhood packed with immigrants, all with their own customs, languages, foods and idiosyncrasies, there was something about Sayfullo Saipov and his family that seemed not quite right….
Others were uncomfortable with Saipov’s wife, who wore a niqab, a Muslim garment that reveals only the eyes. Other women among the many Muslims in the neighborhood wear simple head scarves, neighbors say.
“It was unusual around here. You could only see the eyes’’ said Dolores Stanton Vargas, 59, who lives across the street from the neighborhood mosque.
Saipov and his wife, Nozima Odilova, 23, moved about 15 months ago into a scruffy low-rise red-brick building behind the mosque. They had two girls, one now 6 and another 4, and a baby boy who was born about six months ago.
“The wife hardly went out. They were very mysterious,’’ said Altana Dimitrovska, 63, a Macedonian immigrant who lives in the same building. She said that the wife would watch through the curtains of her window as the girls played in the front courtyard, and would occasionally push the baby around the courtyard in a stroller. Saipov was the one who took the older girl to school.
“The girls didn’t have friends. There were no parties,’’ Dimitrovska said.
Language and cultural impediments kept the young family from befriending many people in the neighborhood. But Saipov did have two friends, men who looked similar to him with long beards, who were frequent visitors along with their wives, neighbors said. The wives dressed similarly to Saipov’s wife — wearing the niqab — which made them stick out in the neighborhood….
The Saipov family was last seen at the apartment complex over the weekend, neighbors said — suggesting that Saipov might have moved his wife to another location in anticipation of the attack. But he rented the pickup truck nearby at a Home Depot in Passaic, N.J….
Authorities believe Saipov became more conservative after he arrived in the United States. His neighbors say that his parents, who came to visit from Uzbekistan earlier this year when the baby was born, did not appear to be as devout as their son and that his mother didn’t wear a niqab….
AnneM says
Not surprised.
Andy says
Diversity Lottery????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1rb_y7vT0c
AnneM says
BINGO! We have a winner!
Frank Cicero says
We must outlaw these women who wear the the blinders and discourage these useless people into our democratic God loving country.
Andy says
Yes, Lieberal govenments keep up the propaganda that “diversity is our strength” more, more islamic moslems to butcher innocent people. Will this madness ever end!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtE7J9xNqq0
mortimer says
Diversity is the deception. Jihadi roulette. Can you spot the jihadist?
Eur says
Islam=Destructive sect
Infidel says
Multiple choice Q for readers: (very difficult according to leftists)
Spot the terrorist
a> Christian Pastor
b> Buddhist Monk
c> Muslim Mulla
d> Hindu Priest
e> Jewish Rabbi
f > Sikh Guru
M says
When will “feminists” wake up and question what kind of a twisted ideology requires women to wear black bags? You have so called feminists organizing “slut walks” to make the point that women should be able to wear anything they want without being judged or harassed…and then they support Islam which degrades and abuses women….and they don’t see their hypocrisy. If you like beer, bikinis, freedom, dogs, music, or pork then you don’t like Islam. What is the major malfunction wherein people can’t see that Islam is INCOMPATIBLE with western society? If Muslims want to be spiritual and worship G, there are religions available and they should abandon their nihilistic supremacist death cult and join one. But the don’t. Why?
Benedict says
“This isn’t about Islam, this isn’t about the mosque he attends.” –
It is puzzling, that when a man insists that he is a woman, or of any other gender fabrication of his own, you can be in trouble, legal or otherwise, if you don’t accept or even celebrate his fantasies.
But if a man insists he’s a Muslim and cries “Allahu Akbar!” and kill people, you can provoke political upheavals in all layers of society if you validate his confession.
By what criteria can it be assessed that a Muslim really is what he professes to be? At what point shifts an evil or bad behaving Muslim from being a Muslim to being no Muslim at all – if this transformation is granted?
Is a violent, terrorizing killing machine, who claims to be a Muslim, in fact a bad imitation and a caricature of the prophet Muhammad and therefore a non-Muslim? Or is he a faithful follower of Muhammad’s words and deeds?
Who are the competent judges in this courtroom?
If a person committing atrocities claimed he was a Christian, it would be an easy task to demonstrate, that he can find absolutely no support in the Christian canon for his evil deeds, except by perverting its spirit and its words. He is clearly outside the Christian faith. But to demonstrate the same thing, with a murderous, rioting Muslim as example, while invoking the Muslim Canon is a rather tricky assignment doomed to produce only a few feeble and pathetic beeps.
Leading Politicians all over the world desperately try to prescribe what Islam ought to be and proscribe what it ought not to be in order to steer the spaceship away from the ominous dark matter, they all sense, we are headed for. But, while only scratching the surface of Islam, it escapes them what this ideological evil really is.
Why?
Because Islam is a permanent mockery of anyone who tries to get hold of it (just watch the mocking face of Reza Aslan and listen to his creative, acrobatic, verbal expertise) – a Rorschach picture that resembles anything and everything you project unto it – what it was from its inception: A Fata Morgana in the desert that disappoints and frustrates any and every pilgrim that seeks truth and holiness.
Islam is thus a springboard to madness with its mind-numbing recitations and universal puppeteering, and that’s its profound function and mission in the world until the whole world is deceived and submits to its evil ghost.
If you linger over evil, Islam will sooner or later catch your attention, and if evil is you cup of tea converting to Islam is the best choice available to you at this moment in history.
SAYFULLO HABIBULLAEVIC SAIPOV is just the latest personification of the ultimate method and evil madness of Islam: a victim of Islam and a victimizer for Islam.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“It is puzzling, that when a man insists that he is a woman, or of any other gender fabrication of his own, you can be in trouble, legal or otherwise, if you don’t accept or even celebrate his fantasies.
But if a man insists he’s a Muslim and cries “Allahu Akbar!” and kill people, you can provoke political upheavals in all layers of society if you validate his confession.”
Well contrasted. Truth is surely relative, and absolutes are flexible, when one seeks to live in a fantasy.
“Because Islam is a permanent mockery of anyone who tries to get hold of it (just watch the mocking face of Reza Aslan and listen to his creative, acrobatic, verbal expertise) – a Rorschach picture that resembles anything and everything you project unto it”
As you are no doubt very aware, it’s all taqqiya. islam is as clear in its commands as any system of commands could be. The recorded actions of muhammad all by themselves are enough to put an end to disputings about that, for anyone who cares to accept it.
The wax nose that has been made of islam in much of the media, especially by most of the muslim spokesmen who appear, is just a delay tactic to give islam more time to establish itself unmovable in the west through all the avenues of influence and law…and demographics.
While they have us spinning around confused and turning on each other in endless squabbling, accusation and arguing over minor irrelevancies, the tide keeps creeping in.
Andy says
I don’t have a problem with anyone of any faith coming and living in our western society countries as long as they assimilate into the host country and become AMERICAN, CANADIAN, BRITISH, EUROPEAN and so forth but as soon as you cross the line and become violent in the name of your faith, religion and start killing innocent people then something drastic has to be done.
I personally will say that I think all immigration from certain places in the world has to be stopped and let the immigrants who have come into the host country assimilate, then after some time you can open your borders and let some people in again and let them assimilate into becoming citizens of the host country and so forth.
“KICK THEM ALL OUT! ” Jason Chaffetz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQo5hheNJU
tacheles says
And here in GERMONEY our Leader ANGELA MERKILL opens all bordes for mostly uncontrolled young guys without personal papers, except expencive mobile phones, from isslamic states to immigrate in our social systems.
Neil Ross says
We need to look at Israel very closely, because that is what we have to look forward to. Living alongside a sub population dedicated to the destruction of the host country and the killing of its citizens irrespective of age or gender. I firmly believe that liberal democracy will survive here, but not in the form we have become familiar with since WW2. It will involve limits on freedom, an acceptance that we are all on the front line, barriers both physical and administrative, restrictions of movement, and quite possibly security measures that affect whole populations, rather than just perpetrators. We need to stop bashing Israel for its human rights record, and start asking them how they have managed to endure as a free liberal democracy in the face of constant existential threat. The answer to that question may soon become very important to us. The prospect is unpleasant, but better than the alternative.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Good points all. Seeing what Israel has to put up with everyday, the question isn’t really how ‘bad’ their human rights record is, but how have they managed to behave so humanly towards an implacable, mericless enemy that has always, and still does, declare their aim to be the utter destruction of Israel and every Jew in it?
Neil Ross says
Sadly, this is, I think, a critical question for us to ask, especially in Europe. We need to learn from 70 years of Israeli experience of how to manage existential threat. There is no doubt that every Jewish or Christian man, woman and child would be slaughtered if the Israeli state lost control of security. How do we apply that thinking? It’s not pretty and it’s against our principles, but this is the struggle that faces the next generation in Europe, and it is all about survival.
makmorn says
To go up to some one of a particular faith which I know nothing about, then say to them that they are not devout or true believers of their own religion, would not only be very insulting, it would also demonstrate that i’m completely out of my mind.
pfwag says
and total IGNORANCE
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s interesting that, in the articles, saipov is said to have become more religious, and that his parents did not appear to be so religious as he had become in the USA.
From what i know, Uzbekistan is little more than culturally islamic, in the same way that Italy is culturally catholic. Proud of it’s past certainly, and of course influenced by it to this day, but also strongly, perhaps even more, influenced by it’s recent, some may say ongoing, soviet rulership.
You don’t hear the adan in uzbekistan, nor women wearing more than head scarves as such. You do drink quite a bit of vodka, most city dwellers are relatively modern in outlook, with yearnings to be more western. It has been quite the police state for years, which may have kept a lid on the more radical and committed islamists, though with the recent change of leadership, that may slowly change.
It is tempting to think that saipov got mixed up with some of the more-islamic-than-islamic-nations types that abound in the west, not least because of his reported, and somehwat usual, isolation as a new comer.
pfwag says
or he started reading the Koran and decided to do what Allah and Muhammad COMMAND all Muslims to do: kill the kafirs.
LeftisruiningCanada says
that’s always involved somewhere along the line yes.
tacheles says
This religios idology is like cancer or rust in a car.
YOU must stop it early and quickly!
Before it is too late and hopeless.
Since 600 a.D. it overruns more than 60 States!
The newest are the MALEDIVES.
Where now the cruel SSHARIA LAW ist installed with Oil Sheiks (Petro $$) help.
Beware the beginnings!
pfwag says
Islam and Muslims are a greater threat to America and the free world than was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party and Nazis.
Savvy Kafir says
Definitely true. Mainly because we allow millions of fast-breeding Muslims to live among us.
World War III will prove to be far trickier than World War II.
tacheles says
The mass murder HIMMLER was a big Fan of the isslam idology.
Espacially the suicide cult.
Himmler works with his SS together with the Moslem Warriors from YUGOSLAVIA at that time.
Named the “SS Division HANDSCHAR”.
Lynn says
Saipov’s wife will surface when she applies for cash payments and Medicaid for herself and the 3 children. Of course she may already be receiving welfare since some of the neighbors said that he never seemed to go to work.
Phil McDonald says
Why weren’t rape of a minor charges put on Saipov? She’s 23 years old, has a son who is already 6.
tacheles says
Here in GERMONEY we hab now moslemic “Children Marriage” with wifes under 14teen years.
The officials say it is to cruel to divide them.
Espacially when the have children.
We have families with official 4 wifes and about 30 children.
That cost the tax payer about 400 000 € per year because they all live all from social money.
And the all wear BURKA or NIKAB.
A husband with 4 wifes has no time to work!
In GERMONEY a child under 14teen cannot taken in custody, jail and before a judge.
All crimes a child under 14teen commited are “not happend”!
We have a 13 year old SALAFIST who made a Terroract at the age of 12.
He generates now “social costs” from about 100 000 € per month.
He lives in a complete house incognito in a wittnes program with bodyguars, 4 social workers, 2 psycologists and a private teacher.
Special hallal food and so on.
We have 400 000 people without papers and identy in our country.
30 000 of them disappeared now and cannot be found.
Our goverment lost the control complete!
mortimer says
New York Deputy Police Commissioner John Miller says, “This isn’t about Islam, this isn’t about the mosque he attends.”
It looks like John Miller needs new eye-glasses.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
That Sayfullo’s wife wore a niqab is the perfect chance for feminists to seize the moment and denounce a woman covering herself to satisfy her mass murdering SOB husband. I look forward to seeing the denunciations being made by feminists, most of whom are lesbians, on my TV. They should also denounce Islam for its treatment of homosexuals.
Poor Sayfullo. The loser had only one wife, he got shot twice but didn’t get killed thus robbing him of his planned trip to Jannat, the Islam porno heaven. And now he gets no flag in his hospital room. Personally, I doubt that he feels that good right now. Proud, yes, and understandably so. But he’s got to be a little bit bummed about how things turned out.
TheBuffster says
LOL, APF!
I mean, yes, poor Sayfullo. But you know what they say: “Man proposes, Allah disposes.”
overman says
lt’s all just a Stealth Jihad imo, and also in Robert’s through the link below. He discusses in the first video [about a year ago to a room full of students] exactly what stealth jihad is. And his answers in the question section are perfectly in line with this NYC attack.
#stealthjihad
overman says
Sorry, hashtags aren’t working here, so this is the vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2B_-Izglug
DRHazard says
New York Deputy Police Commissioner John Miller says, “This isn’t about Islam, this isn’t about the mosque he attends.”
So, in a matter of 2 days the NYC Police Commissioner has already ruled out devotion to Islam as a motive? Of course he hasn’t. So why bring it up? Because he knows it is better for his career to become an apologist for Muslims. In the upside down world of politics and law enforcement telling the truth about Islam is and the motives of Islamic terrorists is just not worth the trouble it causes.
But it never happens for any other group. Imagine if the official reaction to the guy who killed those people in the black church was; “this has nothing to do with racism”.
Voytek Gagalka says
Myopia of Islamo-pandering cowards is simply breathtaking.
Michael Casmer says
He owned a house? How? I’m a native born American and a veteran and I can’t afford a house? Where is mine?
gravenimage says
NYC jihad mass murderer Saipov a “devout” Muslim, wife wears a niqab
…………………………….
Well, *this* should surprise no one.
More:
“The girls didn’t have friends. There were no parties,’’ Dimitrovska said.
Language and cultural impediments kept the young family from befriending many people in the neighborhood.
…………………………….
Of course, this is utter bs. Immigrants–many of whom initially spoke no English–have been flooding into the greater New York area for well over a hundred and fifty years. Not only do many have friends among their former countrymen, but they often quickly make friends with neighbors, even if broken English is the only way to communicate.
The idea that they had to be isolated is, of course, ridiculous. This was *a choice*.
Carolyne says
And in the past, most immigrants who did not speak English, learned as fast as they could so they could obtain jobs and support themselves. These muslims think it is our responsibility to support them and their many wives and children. They do not strive to learn English at all. They are happy communicating only with their own kind.
Older Canadian says
They must find her. She could also be a threat. We have one just like her presently in our courts in Toronto, for a terrorist attack at a Canadian Tire Store.
Debi Brand says
“If you see something [odd], say [you see] something [odd].”
“ ‘The wife hardly went out. They were very mysterious,’ …. [she] would watch through the curtains of her window as the girls played in the front courtyard,….
“….Saipov did have two friends, men who looked similar to him with long beards, who were frequent visitors along with their wives, neighbors said. The wives dressed similarly to Saipov’s wife — wearing the niqab — which made them stick out in the neighborhood….”
If you see something say something? Garbage.
If you see something troubling, breath deep, do, if need be, a few moments of one legged yoga balancing poses, as in right leg south, left leg, west, head and hands, in praying pose, east, and Breeeth, breeeth, deep… deep..
And get over your issues–get used to our new and necessary “strengths.”
MFritz says
There aren’t really any extremists and radicals under islam. Only people sticking more or less closely to the texts. And that’s also the reason why you can’t reform islam. You can’t get rid of the texts.
Debi Brand says
Indeed.
Sarah says
Put it this way, I have two ways of gauging my safety regarding terrorism when I am in a public space these days.
Is there a man nearby, with one of those untamed beards plastered over his face and neck? Be very alarmed. If he’s wearing robes – get the hell away from him,double time, just in case.
Is there a woman nearby with a tightly fitted hijab that covers her ears and neck? Be alarmed. Is she wearing a niqab or a burqa or some other ridiculous bedsheet getup over her entire body? Get the hell away from her, double time, just in case.
I watch them with leery eyes, I keep a safe distance, I have an eye to the exits and I watch them like a hawk. I do not trust them one iota. Tough shit if they’re offended by it. I want to live far more than I care about upsetting someone and their delicate sensibilities.
Some terrorists have been seen, roaming around without beards, or robes or whatever getups, that’s true. That’s why I also keep a beady eye on anyone who looks what I call, ‘vaguely Islamic’. That sort of Arab-esque, Middle Eastern style appearance.
Because what we haven’t seen yet, is some tattooed white guy, with a gauge piercing in his ear, wearing Ed Hardy – and waving a bomb around. Or white knuckling a steering wheel, trying to plough down pedestrians.
We haven’t seen a woman who looks completely Western in her dress and makeup, brandishing weaponry of any kind. Note that ‘Western makeup’ is NOT what animals like Linda Sarsour wear. For some reason, Muslim women seem to love thick, un-contoured makeup with the most bizarre eyeshadow colours.
Its the little things – if you’re observant enough, its the little things that make the difference.
The sad truth is – this bunch are pretty easy to spot – in hindsight. I just choose to try and spot them before it gets to that point. If that means giving the beady eye to someone who looks like for all the world, a Muslim preparing to slaughter everyone in their vicinity, then so be it.
LeftisruiningCanada says
” I want to live far more than I care about upsetting someone and their delicate sensibilities. ”
Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, you really need to stop thinking like a free-born westerner, and get with the dhimmi program. Once you realize the truth, it will be become quite clear that your life is actually worth less than a muslims admittedly delicate sensibilities. Then all will be well for you. What you think of slavery now, is actually true freedom you know….
“The sad truth is – this bunch are pretty easy to spot ”
Yes, and Israel have had a great deal of success with something called profiling for that very reason. Islam, being a brain effecting cult paired with the spirit of evil, causes everyone within it to start looking the same.
mach37 says
Officials like Deputy Police Commissioner John Miller need to be publicly confronted for their lack of knowledge of Islam. Such people need to be faced with defending specific passages in the Qur’an when they claim that Muslims attacking non-Muslims is not Islamic.