Our friend and ally Pakistan yet again shows which side it is really on. Trump made some good statements earlier this year about ending this sham alliance. He should follow through. The money we shower upon Pakistan could be much better spent on initiatives actually to oppose jihad terror, rather than enable it.
“Pakistani court orders release of alleged mastermind of Mumbai attacks,” by Sune Engel Rasmussen, Guardian, November 22, 2017:
A Pakistani court has ordered the release of Hafiz Saeed, an alleged mastermind of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, in a move likely to worsen the country’s tattered relationship with the US.
The Islamist cleric, who heads Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) – listed by the UN as a terrorist group – and has a $10m(£7.5m) US bounty on his head, is expected to be freed on Friday after less than a year in detention.
Saeed thanked the judges of Lahore’s high court in a video statement. “The lawyers of the court supported me tremendously and I am so thankful to God for that,” he said. “This is a great step for freedom for Pakistan.”
The US and India suspect Saeed of masterminding the attacks in Mumbai, in which 10 gunmen ran rampage over several days, killing 166 people. He was put under house arrest in January this year having lived in the open for years.
On Wednesday the court in Lahore rejected a request from the provincial government of Punjab for a 60-day extension to his house arrest.
A prosecutor, Sattar Sahil, told Reuters: “His previous detention for 30 days is over, which means he would be released tomorrow.”
Government officials argued that prolonging Saeed’s detention was necessary to avoid international sanctions and a halt to foreign funding to the country.
Saeed denies involvement in terrorism and claims the government punished him to pander to the whims of the US and India.
Members of JuD say it is a charity organisation, but the US says it is a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba, an anti-India jihadi group that Saeed helped found in the 1990s.
Until he was detained in January along with four aides under the country’s anti-terrorism legislation, Saeed’s freedom was a source of friction between Washington and Islamabad.
AdvertisementBut the courts were inevitably bound to set him free at some point, said Cyril Almeida, a columnist and assistant editor at the Dawn newspaper. More significant measures were needed to repair trust between the US and Pakistan, he said.
“Band-aid solutions such as temporary detention orders may buy some time but it only delays a final reckoning. On groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, Pakistan and the US are on a collision course,” Almeida said….
Indeed.
Voytek Gagalka says
Unfortunately, as so many times before, he (President Trump) will most probably be prevented from doing that (dropping Pakistan as ally) by his “security adviser,” McMaster. As long he keeps that man in the NSA, I do not expect any significant change.
Sarah says
It makes me look at the wider picture. I remember Trump railing against Islam and Muslims on the campaign trail He’s gone suspiciously silent on that, since getting into the White House.
He’s suddenly working with the Saudi’s, toeing the line with the Pakistanis etc. He’s dropped his rhetoric about all of this.
So what is truly going on behind the scenes? It can’t just be McMasters. He’s just one guy. It tells me, that there’s a massive influence of some sort operating behind the scenes that is controlling the actions and behaviour’s – as well as the dialogue of Politicians across the West. Something is going on, to prevent them from doing what they should be doing.
Lets face it. Ideology aside, any Western Politician will always have, as their primary motivation, the desire to keep their job. Keeping their job means appealing to and appeasing the voters. Now if you look at my nation, Australia, there’s a phenomenal example here.
Our laws, regarding the migrants who try to come to Australia by boat. We have laws that I don’t think are copied by any other Western nation on the planet. We are decried all the time, for these laws. But they work. And they are laws that the Australian voters continually insist on and shriek for. To the point that even our left-wing Politicians, the Labor party (our major leftie party) agree with and do not bother trying to mess with, anymore.
Despite their devotion to the ideology of Left-wing politics, Labor Politicians are smart enough to keep their mouth’s shut and their head’s down and support these laws. Because we the people have proven, that we will vote them out of existence if they try tampering with them.
The very fact that even the Conservative Politicians across the West are extremely hesitant to focus on what the voters want when it comes to Muslim migration, tells me that there’s something much bigger going on, behind the scenes. Hell – Mad Merkel is a Conservative!! And look what she did to Germany an to the entire EU.
There’s more going on here, then what we are privy to. And that scares the life out of me.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
I agree with your honest comments.
It is the same with India. Congress party has been openly asking Pakistan to dislodge elected BJP government by unleashing jihad to bring back congress to power. In addition to that India is overpopulated by too many leftists . Indian media is full of them. Christian missionaries
(converted christians & crypto christians mafia ) also have always been treasonous.
Though both muslims & christians call themselves ”minorities” they constitute the majority & all politicians have to necessarily pamper them to stay in power.
Though India is fond of blaming America for taking a soft approach towards Pakistan , India itself is the most confused entity. It cannot survive without playing cricket with pakistan & bangladesh ; it imagines afghanistan is its staunch ally forgetiing it is a muslim country; it is fond of referring to Iran as ” our persian neighbour” ; keeps handing out lots of visas to muslims of pakistan & bangladesh who allege they want to avail themselves of medical treatment in Indian hospitals. Already India has too many illegal bangladeshi & rohingya muslims within armed with ID cards etc
One chief minister of Telangana has already come up with exclusive universities , IT corridor blah blah for muslims alone . He has also been promoting urdu language which is spoken by muslims. Kashmir is one state where no Hindu can own any property. It is only Hindus in Indian Army who are made to stand in the line of fire bleed & die in Kashmir. Indian Army is always told ” Army has no religion” & that they have to die to protect the civilians. Civilians refer to muslims in Kashmir. Who have always been anchored in terrorism. These are called ”freedom fighters” by bbc.
Self styled ‘godman’ like art of living SSRavishankar request the bereaved Hindus to hug the muslim militants in Kashmir calling such moves would bring in peace. He has done that earlier with another militant called yasin malik. Who did not give up jihad.
Chand says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says “Congress party has been openly asking Pakistan to dislodge elected BJP government by unleashing jihad to bring back congress to power.”
An utter lie. Those people would be in jail by now. They might have said something similar sarcastically but never seriously said they wanted Pakistan to ‘unleash jihad’ on India.
More: “Christian missionaries (converted christians & crypto christians mafia ) also have always been treasonous.”
Treasonous towards what or whom? You mean they support Jihad? Utterly ridiculous.Christian missionaries generally work hard to clothe, feed and educate the masses of impoverished Indians.
You have Christian missionaries bracketed by ‘Christian converts’. Why should people not convert to a religion if they want to? If a religion has failed them, say Hindusim, with its caste system which has oppressed, subjugated and brutalized its own for millennia, then the lower castes, oppressed Hindus might find Buddhism, Christianity or Islam more inviting. At least they do not consider their fellow humans as lower caste or sub human.
And what is ‘crypto christians mafia’? This is all nonsensical propaganda.
More: “Though both muslims & christians call themselves ”minorities” they constitute the majority & all politicians have to necessarily pamper them to stay in power”
This is complete garbage and not true.
Self styled ‘godman’ like Ravi Shankar is a fearless campaigner for peace and reconciliation. Although I am wary of all godmen too, I would not jump to conclusions so fast on this man..
More; “Kashmir is one state where no Hindu can own any property.”
Kashmir enjoys an ‘autonomous’ state status and so there are restrictions on other Indians from owning land there. Other states too enjoy this status, like Sikkim, Nagaland, Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur in the north east (to protect the minority ethnic groups living there from being swamped by the majority Hindus).
More:”Civilians refer to muslims in Kashmir. Who have always been anchored in terrorism. These are called ”freedom fighters” by bbc.”
The majority of Kashmiri Muslims have come to resent living in India and there is a popular revolt there against Indian rule. They are probably even more terrified of having to live under Pakistan. But most do want to secede and become independent. So India, understandably, has more than half a million troops and thousands of para military personnel there to keep Kashmir form falling into Pakistani hands. A guerrilla warfare is on there for many years now and it has gradually been taken over by Islamic Jihadis. They all want to secede, which they call ‘azadi’, i.e. freedom and thus the BBC calls them ‘freedom fighters’ at times but mostly they are called ‘militants’ and the Indian media usually calls them ‘terrorists’ although some groups only target Indian armed personnel.
Chand says
Sarah says: “He’s suddenly working with the Saudi’s, toeing the line with the Pakistanis etc. He’s dropped his rhetoric about all of this.
So what is truly going on behind the scenes? It can’t just be McMasters.”
Yes, Sarah, can’t only be McMasters.
It is Trump himself who is the problem. He is completely unreliable regarding the fight against Jihadism, which today is basically arising out of Saudi-Wahabbi-Sunni fundamentalism. He is now a staunch ally of the Saudi led Sunnis against Iran. He’s flip-flopped on Pakistan in a month. He spoke tough words and then a month later said the Pakistanis are doing a good job, blah blah.
So Pakistan keeps staging these short plays…………….house arresting terrorists, staging fake court trials or whatever and then promptly releasing them, citing lack of evidence.
There is a 10 millions $ bounty on Hafeez Saeed’s head, declared by the States. Why is he still alive and kicking? Why wasn’t he droned? The US is completely undependable regarding Pakistan. Maybe things will change but no sign of that yet. India should eliminate him and his kind herself without waiting for help from others. But then India is not Israel………..yet. It is a weak state, just a tad better than a bombastic banana republic.
Paul Rhodes says
To understand Islam one MUST KNOW The Holy Quran (and which verses were abrogated), the Sunnah and Sharia. 99.9% of none Muslims do not have this knowledge. Islam is unlike any / all other religions. “It is the one true Faith” according to all Muslims. AS for Trump ? he shoots from the hip. Once in The White House and when he eventually listens to those who do understand Islam, who do understand how important the Muslim world in general, but KSA in particular is, to the USA economy,he will modify his rhetoric. One speech for the masses and the media but another for the USA’s strategic partners in the Muslim world.I worked over many years in KSA and all GCC countries. The US government any many big US corporations were involved in every oil company, the military (try KKMC) and construction. How much of the USA’s sovereign debt is owned by Muslim / Arab countries ?? Pakistan ? its strategic location (Afghanistan, USSR, China, India ???
Homosaps says
Maybe India should contract out a pest removal problem to the Mossad.
gravenimage says
Pakistani court orders release of alleged mastermind of Mumbai jihad massacre
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True colors, indeed. Pakistan is no ally of those who oppose Jihad.
And note: this mastermind is not only a Muslim cleric, he is a Hafiz–meaning he has memorized the Qur’an.
So much for the idea that Jihadists “mistunderstand Islam”.
Blurb1000 says
I’m so worried. He should see a doctor about his (I think) growing cancer spot in his forehead
gravenimage says
Grimly hilarious.
Chand says
You find that on the forehead of many devout Muslims. That comes from praying five times a day, touching the forehead on the ground.
Cancer? We ain’t that lucky………………………
mortimer says
Tthe release of Hafiz Saeed will make the relationship of Pakistan worse with most countries, especially with India where the atrocities of the heinous Hafiz Saeed were committed.
Pakistan only held him under house arrest after he organized some of the most heinous murders ever committed. He deserves a life sentence.
Infidel says
This is an animal…. Even animals are better…. This Islamic creature has committed unconscionable crimes against Hindus.. and yet it is released .. shows how Muslims think and their mentality towards non-Muslims.. for most Pakis, this evil creature is a hero and a holy warrior.
Infidel says
Often those criminals languishing in jails for committing heinous crimes like rape, murder, child molestation etc are given a choice by the Paki officials: Either hang in the gallows OR infiltrate under covering fire across the border to India and do jehaad against Hindus and redeem for their crimes because in Islam all crimes can be redeemed in jehaad. And most often, these prisoners take the second option in spite of the big risk of being gunned down by the Indian border security forces. In case, they do succeed, these vile creatures head straight into the numerous exploding Muslim ghettos in India, where they are welcomed with OPEN ARMS. Unscrupulous LEFTIST politicians even arrange fake Indian ID for them and get them even Indian citizenship, whereby these vile creatures can vote in Indian elections. And to date, NOTHING HAS BEEN done in this regard by the Indian authorities…
Infidel says
And to add: For the Paki authorities, sending their worst criminals to do Jehaad against Hindus is a WIN-WIN option, because in one master-stroke, they are provided the CANNON-FODDER to do their dirty Jehaad against India and at the same time their society is cleansed of these vile beasts..
Chand says
“……………………… the numerous exploding Muslim ghettos in India……………….”
So what is the solution for all the potential problems in these ghettos?
More birth control……….like China’s earlier one-child policy? But that is a communist dictatatorship and India is a liberal democracy (supposedly).
How about improving their lives with more job opportunities and education/ More education leads to women’s empowerment and smaller families, usually. India’s record on providing jobs to its Muslim minority is dismal. So what do millions of unemployed Muslim youth do? Languish, of course, like millions of other non-Muslim youth. But then they are Muslims and they have another option, don’t they…………….Jihad?!
sidney penny says
yes, correction
Our “friend and ally” Pakistan …
Double Face friend and ally Pakistan.
If there is any place that loves jihad it is Pakistan.
Guy Forester says
Is anyone surprised by this?
Suleman says
What is the reason behind why Pakistani court has ordered the release of Hafiz Saeed.
Chand says
“Lack of evidence”, their common excuse. The Indian govt. has presented them with a whole dossier of evidence, including phone conversations between Hafeez Saeed’s group in Pakistan and the Mumbai attackers, while the attack was on.
John Forbes says
WHY IS ANYONE AT ALL STUNNED & OR AMAZED BY THIS ??? PAKISTAN IS AN ISLAMIC NATION & ONLY FOLLOWS THE WEST IF IT CAN EXTRACT EITHER CASH OR PROMISES OF ARMS.
PAKISTAN HAS NO INTENTION OF STOPPING THIS ISLAMIC ATTACKS ON INDIA OR THE WEST Anytime SOON.
IT IS NAIVE IN THE EXTREME TO EITHER IMAGINE OR BELIEVE ANYTHING ELSE!
BUT TRUMP MUST DITCH MCMASTER & FAST !!
Jayell says
I have seen Pakistan described as a ‘failed State’. Why might it have failed? In keeping with their Islamic status, they’ll say one thing to your face then do the opposite behind your back. Didn’t they harbour Bin Laden in a style to which he shouldn’t have been accustomed in a residence not far from an army camp, whilst claiming not to know he was there (or something equally preposterous)? Weren’t they heavily involved in, if not responsible for, atrocities in Bangladesh after it broke away? And Mr. Spencer is always reporting yet more atrocities committed against their Christian citizens, apparently with the full or tacit endorsement of the Pakistani authorities, or so it seems. If the citizens reflect the official values of the State or vice versa, it should be no surprise to find that the track record many ‘UK citizens'(sic) of Pakistani heritage is little short of an utter disgrace (e.g. they are largely, if not almost exclusively, responsible for the national paedophile grooming gang debacle and very much involved in UK terrorism – amongst many other things). Yet we keep up the whitewashing and smokescreens and turning a blind eye, no doubt because of the expediency international politics or some unexplained quirk of political correctness (‘correct’ according to whose politics exactly?). If these people were keeping their nasty little destructive machinations to themselves, or if nobody else is getting hurt as a result of their appalling antics, that’s one thing. But that’s not the way it is. It’s simply not good enough.
mgoldberg says
I remember reading the Indian police reports that were later not reported but never denied. The two people in Mumbai, that Rabbi and his wife, who were slaughtered for no other reason than they were indidels.
They were slaughtered, with his genitals cut off, she, eight months pregnant had her belly sliced open in horrific fashion and simply barbaric vicious hatred.
All the others suffered of course as innocents slaughtered and cut down elsewhere and all need to be included. But the first two, they should be exemplified for the savage hatred within Islam and Mohammed
and this should be brought to bear upon this animal Jihadist who directed, planned and is guilty of these crimes.
Paul Rhodes says
I worked over several years in Pakistan. My work in developing new business brought me into daily contact with government departments in Islamabad and into many industries and even the Presidential Palace. I worked in Peshawar on the border with Afghanistan. A lawless area. My advise to my Canadian employers was “Do not get involved in Pakistan” they ignored my advice and paid the price.In 1982 or 3 I was robbed by the police in Karachi. Before robbing me they asked “are you a Muslim” One really has to work in a country to understand it and be able separate out the rhetoric and BS from the reality however Pakistan has been “useful” to the US and others for various political and strategic reasons.
Stuart Browning says
Pakistan is a Rouge Terrorist nation and is no Allie of Western, Democratic Free Nations.
It is a A Muslim Sharia State governed liability to anything worthy in the world!
Completely isolate this country with Trade, Sport ( I’m sure as an Australian we don’t need to play Cricket with them, officials are always concerned about a terrorist attack at any event between us!) and communications.
Paul Rhodes says
Problem is Stuart / folks that in the Machiavellian world of international politics what is the obvious / common sense solution is not always possible. The situation varies country to country. Our diplomats / senior civil servants and some politicians know exactly what is going on and where Pakistan’s loyalties lie. Deals are done at, for example, the UN. Countries who have very little direct contact with Pakistan do have very direct contact and commercial interests with those who do. Having said all of that !!! there are clever ways and means of changing this situation. Pakistan finds all of the funding it needs to expand its nuclear capabilities (“we must do that to counter the threat from India etc”) whilst watching its population grow and ever more living in poverty. I traveled through many towns / villages that had no clean water distribution system or sewage system. The last time I looked Pakistan had a net growth in population of 2.2% / A
Chand says
China is using Pakistan to counter Indian influence and that is one reason for Pakistani audacity. Although China is wary of Jihadis inside China too, she finds it useful to keep India preoccupied with Jihadism from Pakistan. Saudis and rich Sunni Arabs are no help either with their oil money funding these Wahabbi Sunni ‘charities’, including Hafeez Saeed’s organization.
Even Russia has been warming up to Pakistan (and China) and even wanting to deal with the Taliban peacefully, to counter American influence there, much to India’s detriment.
US continues to overlook Pakistani deep state jihad sponsorship too. To try and stop Chinese and Russian influences and maybe they don’t want Pakistan to implode and its nukes to explode.
Huge chess game going on…………………..and common Indians (and Pakistainis) continue to pay for it with their lives.
AleX says
Axiom: all islamic states are failed states.