Ayman Elkasrawy prayed that Allah would kill all the Jews, and the Toronto Star ran a lengthy piece claiming that he didn’t really mean it, and didn’t actually even say it at all, but was just mistranslated. I showed the falsehoods of the Toronto Star piece here. And now the Star has egg on its face, because Elkasrawy has been caught praying for people to be killed again.
Will the Star run interference for him again? Or will the Star and the rest of the Canadian establishment media finally realize that Islamic core texts teach violence, and so it’s not in the least surprising for imams to preach violence?
That latter possibility is about as likely as Hillary Clinton granting that Donald Trump won the 2016 election fair and square.
“WARMINGTON: Imam accused of spewing hate at a Toronto mosque…again,” by Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun, November 4, 2017:
For the second time in 2017, the Jewish Defence League has filed a police complaint about an Imam prayer video inside a Toronto Mosque they believe spews hate and suggests violence.
“I talked with Toronto Police Friday,” said JDL National Co-ordinator Meir Weinstein.
The video is from a supplication at the Masjid Toronto mosque on Dundas St. W. recorded during Ramadan in 2016 where Imam Ayman Elkasrawy, who was leading a similar prayer in the first video taken to police, is again preaching words in Arabic being translated as offensive.
No charges have been laid but the original investigation remains open.
This video shows the imam chanting: “O Allah, whoever wishes ill for us and wishes ill for Islam and the Muslims, make his plot tied around his neck. O Allah, turn fate against them and annihilate them as you annihilated the peoples of Aad and Thamud.”
Defending his translation, former Israeli intelligence officer Jonathan Halevi says he “uses Islamic information sources” to backup his own knowledge of Arabic and explained the prayer can be translated as either “annihilated” or destroyed.”
Weinstein said it’s “outrageous” no matter how it’s interpreted or spun.
“This is very serious,” he said. “I am turning the tapes and information over to the police as an addition to my original complaint regarding the Imam from the Toronto Mosque.”
Weinstein said Det. Const. Nancy Girardi, of Toronto Police’s Intelligence Services/Security Section, told him his case number is 2017- 316359….
“I see a pattern here,” Weinstein said. “We have to stop sugar-coating this through political correctness.”
But Ahmad Attia, who is helping the downtown mosque and Elkasrawy with messaging, says the correct way to look at it is “Muslims don’t supplicate against disbelievers. They pray against injustice and oppressors.”
Some, he says, play the “translation game,” which can take things out of context.
Still Elkasrawy and the mosque did apologize for the wording found in the first video.
“Neither I, Masjid Toronto or the congregation harbour any form of hatred toward Jews and so I wish to apologize unreservedly for misspeaking during prayer last Ramadan,” wrote Elkasrawy. “I firmly believe that all human beings: Muslim, Jews and people of all and no faith deserve to live a life free of any threat to their safety.”
But even with that, in a column in the Toronto Star Oct. 30th, Elkasrawy claimed his words were “spliced” and twisted “into something ugly” to “make me seem like someone I am not.”
He says because of the first video his “mosque suspended” him and “Ryerson University fired me” and “Muslim groups cut me loose.”
This is all thanks to an ancient prayer.
“The combined effect of the mistranslated video and my wrong choice of words magnified the pain of the Jewish community,” he wrote, adding “(I) stand by my apology even though I knew then what everyone knows today because experts have now confirmed that my words were twisted.”
One person in his corner is Bernie Farber, who has been with the Canadian Jewish Congress for decades and fought against hate crimes.
“You have to be very careful with translating prayers” because “this type is said every day in a mosque” and no different from ones used in churches, temples and synagogues too.
“It’s not a battle of religions but a battle of centuries,” said Farber. “In my experience I can tell who’s an anti-Semite and Mr. Elkasrawy is not one. He is a fine young man.”
Still, Weinstein says in the interest of keeping hateful words away from those who could be radicalized, “anti-Semitism and incitement should not be tolerated in a house of worship.”…
RichardL says
people who argue that the concept of “hate crime” makes sense, are totally stupid. People who argue that criticism of an idea is a hate crime are not stupid though – they are totalitarians.
mortimer says
Under Canadian law, this man is advocating genocide and should get 5 years in jail.
Genocide Hate Criminal Code 318
Criminal Code of Canada
Section 318: Hate Propaganda
(1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Infidel says
This is nothing new for Hindus in India… All over India, every Friday, such hate prayers advocating MASS EXTERMINATION of Hindus, are blasted over mics…… Has been going on for centuries… U people in the West are just experiencing this now… Hindus are used to this..
harbidoll says
thas why we arm
Richard says
A smart person learns from his mistakes, a genius learns from others mistakes,… and some people … just can’t or won’t learn… I gues that’s the West.. but thanks for the wisdom…. The West is too caught up in BS with cell phones etc… thinking … it can’t happen here. STupid people…
Terry Gain says
With respect Mortimer I disagree. This Imam called upon Allah to annihilate his enemies. He spoke to an entity which has never existed but he didn’t call on any human being to engage in violence. He should be pitied for thinking God is going to answer his prayers.
gravenimage says
Terry, the problem is that many Muslims are all to happy to help “Allah” out and slaughter the Infidels themselves.
Charlie Martel says
The Koran tells Muslims to help Allah punish Non-Muslims. Extremist Imams give the dots, Jihadis join them.
Del says
Does the saying “Death to infidels” sound familiar?
JOHN says
Too busy rounding up people for throwing bacon at mosques, while not actually causing property damage as has happened to numerous churches.
Dimitri says
So Muslims pray regularly for the destruction of all others, but not only in mosques – rather, they now do this in residential homes in our neighbourhoods.
The other day a woman was fumbling around my driveway in the dark at 6:30am, looking for a house, but she was on the wrong street. I approached and asked her, politely, are you picking someone up? Are you reporting for work? It’s 6:30am… “I am invited there!”, she proclaimed to me, wide-eyed.
I found out that Muslims regularly gather for prayers in a house just around the corner from my suburban home.
Do I not have the right as a Canadian to protest hate speech being spread in my neighbourhood?
What if my daughter jogs by or bikes by one day in shorts? Because she is “uncovered”, do I not have the right to protest those leaving the house, who have just been indoctrinated on the permissibility to assault my daughter?
Our own rights are being forcibly curtailed, while we are being prepared for the slaughter…
God protect us.
Bernie says
There will be no slaughter. The World has learned from the slaughters of WWII. No one will go to the Ovens willingly this time around. The Cancer that is Islam must be modernized or destroyed if the World is to continue.
RichardL says
Bernie, I can assure you that the majority of Europeans are currently building the ovens and import the people to man the ovens by the million.
I am really trying to get out of here before the US closes its borders to Europeans.
Infidel says
The way the EU is self-destroying itself…. MY GOD RICHARD .. the sooner U get out the better… but then running away IS NOT THE SOLUTION. People like U should stay back and fight.. And the same thing is going on in India. As of now, it is a VIRTUAL DEADHEAT, between the EU and India as to which will get Islamized first….!!!
Linde Barrera says
To RichardL- Good luck and God’s blessings. I will pray for you to come to US. Both my grandfathers were illegal aliens to US from Germany in the early 1900’s when there was no quotas. They obeyed all the laws, learned the English language and got jobs quickly as butchers, for which they were trained in Germany. I wish you the same success here in US.
gravenimage says
Bernie–with all respect–we are *already* being slaughtered.
Linde Barrera says
To Dimitri- I feel your concern, but just keep being a loud-mouth about your rights, being that you are not hurting anyone. And if you and your Canadian neighbors criticize Islam’s “corporate” practices and policies because it infringes on your lives, the Canadian government cannot ignore your pleas unless your government is totalitarian. I hope not. Also, boycott the Toronto Star as they seem like a fake news source. ?
Del says
God might not, but a nice 9mm handgun will.
Michael Copeland says
Sorry he said it. He did not say it. The words are taken out of context. They are mistranslated.
Of course: “It was not me. I was not there. I did not mean it.”
Here is yet another of those mistranslated, out of context, not really spoken at all, misconstrued prayers. It is from the loudspeaker at Mecca:
“O Allah! vanquish the unjust Christians and the criminal Jews, the unjust traitors; strike them with your wrath; make their lives hostage to misery; drape them with endless despair, unrelenting pain and unremitting ailment; fill their lives with sorrow and pain and end their lives in humiliation and oppression; inflict your tortures and punishments upon the unjust Christians and criminal Jews. This is our supplication, Allah; grant us our request!”
Formal prayers on loudspeaker at Mecca, RaymondIbrahim.com,
Michael Copeland says
“Ideology of Killing” at Liberty GB:
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/ideology-killing
Infidel says
SPOT ON!! But this is the std prayer at many mosques all over the world esp during Jumma Friday prayers (12 to 2 PM)
religionofpeace says
Ayman Elkasrawy Is telling the truth. Islam is a religion that mandates Muslim waging jihad against infidels.
Toronto Star just simply rejected the truth.
mortimer says
The Koran and many Islamic prayers are illegal under Canadian law, since they clearly promote genocide.
Kay says
Farber’s statement makes no sense to me.[“You have to be very careful with translating prayers” because “this type is said every day in a mosque” and no different from ones used in churches, temples and synagogues too.]
How are such prayers the same? The same as what?
mortimer says
Farber’s words are unfounded. He should support them with FACTS or stop saying that.
gravenimage says
Of course, this is hogwash.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
“One person in his corner is Bernie Farber, who has been with the Canadian Jewish Congress for decades and fought against hate crimes.
“You have to be very careful with translating prayers” because “this type is said every day in a mosque” and no different from ones used in churches, temples and synagogues too.
“It’s not a battle of religions but a battle of centuries,” said Farber. “In my experience I can tell who’s an anti-Semite and Mr. Elkasrawy is not one. He is a fine young man.”
Bernie Farber has been fighting for decades the traditional antisemites — the European kind, with which we are all familiar. For that he should be honored. But he’s at sea, and out of his depth, with the antisemitism of Islam, to be found in the Qur’an and hadith, and unable to detect the taqiyya (or, in many cases, to recognize the straightforward lying) of Muslims denying that they said what they said, or offer a variant of the Eliotic “that’s not what I meant, not what I meant at all.”
After assuring us, much too complacently, that “in my experience I can tell who’s an anti-Semite” Bernie Farber describes Mr. Elkasrawy as a “fine young man..”
Perhaps it is time for Bernie Farber to study Islam, paying careful attention to the 109 Jihad verses in the Qur’an, the several verses that explicitly command the use of terror, the cursing of the kuffars that are part of the five daily prayers, and so on. Or even, perhaps, to pass the baton to others, who may be more adept at recognizing, and dealing with, Islamic antisemitism
mortimer says
Genocide Hate Criminal Code 318
Criminal Code of Canada
Section 318: Hate Propaganda
(1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Ayman Elkasrawy clearly ADVOCATED and PROMOTED GENOCIDE.
So what will the police do now? Will they not charge him?
Lynn says
I’m not so sure that Jews won’t once again go to the ovens without raising a hand in self defense. I invited a Jewish friend to go to a shooting range with my son and me. He said that he would like to go but his wife – who is also Jewish – would be angry if she found out he had touched a gun. I don’t see how he could defend her or himself without knowing how to shoot a gun. Pacifism among liberals and progressives runs deep.
Bernie says
You have not met with a Israeli or Republican Jew.
I am first generation of a Holocaust Survivor, Child, a Canadian, Israel will never surrender while I am alive and I suspect that there are many others out there that will have the same attitude. We are restricted in Canada to guns but if I lived in the States would be a member of a Gun Club.
Paul N Silas says
In certain versions of Muslim “End Times” prophecy , the Mahdi comes and with a huge army of Black Flag waving warriors and slays all of the Jews in the world.
I believe that this is what this cretin might have been babbling about.
Infidel says
This is how HINDU AMERICANS contribute to America and even the Greater West…
a welcome addition to America.. rather than bombs and terror and mass murder of innocents…
I posted this here so that readers here notice this BIG DIFFERENCE and also this is
just one example. All over the West, U will find Hindus shining…
Ps C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBWJvTzhJ3I
gravenimage says
True.
Karen says
Wonderful!! An impressive young American!
Edgar Allan says
COPY AND PASTE AND SPREAD WIDE PLEASE TO SHOW THE TAQQIYYA ARTISTS:
” But Ahmad Attia, who is helping the downtown mosque and Elkasrawy with messaging, says the correct way to look at it is “Muslims don’t supplicate against disbelievers. They pray against injustice and oppressors.”
HERE’S WHAT HONEST IMAMS SAY, FROM ISLAM QA
QUESTION : WHAT IS THE RULING ON CURSING (AND NOT JUST INSULTING) THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS OR OTHER GROUPS, WHETHER LIVING OR DEAD? MAY ALLAH REWARD YOU WITH GOOD.
“MAY ALLAAH CURSE THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS,” OR “MAY ALLAAH CURSE THE KAAFIRS, THIS KIND OF CURSE IS PERMISSIBLE AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO CURSE THE KUFFAAR IN GENERAL.”
https://islamqa.info/en/36674
Benedict says
If you administer a divine tradition that states that apes and pigs are the descendants of Jews – or is it the other way round? – you are left with no option than to promote antisemitism.
LeftisruiningCanada says
If he said it or not in this case is one thing, but does anyone here really think this imam, or any other imam in North America, disagrees with the PLO, Hamas etc?
It’s not like those groups are shy about wishing death to Israel and every Jew inside her borders is it?
James says
I tnink this is a difficult one. Prayer, however offensive it may be to various people, is not a crime. It is addresssed not to other members of society, but to whatever sacred or Divine being the person praying is addressing. However repugnant its content may be – praying for the death of Obama is not exactly easy to square with the Teaching of Christ or of St Paul – prayer is a devotional act, not an act of sedition, treason or murder. Preventing people from praying as they believe they should looks remarkably like an invasion of the rights of conscience, and even am erroneous conscience can bind.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s probably getting more attention exactly because it comes from a leader of islam, which has countless groups currently engaged in trying to bring those prayers to fruition.
If it was some christian praying for the death of Obama, as in your example, we could easily write the person off as obviously praying in an unchristian way. Bless your enemies.
However, a muslim praying for the death of jews (and infidels in general) is perfectly in line with his core texts. He is also not merely asking the deity, but is actively encouraging his hearers to act accordingly, there being the fundamental concept of Jihad to bring about allahs will.
gravenimage says
The idea that praying for the death of Obama is an intrinsic part of Christianity is absurd–Christianity teaches no such thing.
Praying for the death of Infidels *is* an intrinsic part of Islam, though.
Karen says
I agree that Elkasrawy’s odious prayers are protected speech. Incitement to hatred is a lame excuse for violence. Every person is responsible for controlling their actions, even those who hold to the concept of jihad.
But Canada has hate speech laws, and they should be equally applied, or not at all. That the hearers of the prayer were not directly addressed seems something of a fine point when considering incitement.
Having said that, I’ve never heard such a prayer uttered in my church or any church I’ve visited. Invoking the destruction of anyone, including any president would be unthinkable. Christians do not consider themselves to be “the best of people”. However, I’m not surprised to hear an imam utter such things.
Alex Smythe says
On youtube, please listen to “Pat Condell’s Hate Mail Dramatized.” Most of the hate mail, as well as the most vicious and foul bits of mail, are from Muslims. For “the best of peoples”, a lot of them seem to have the most dirty mouths.
gravenimage says
And worse than having dirty mouths, so many of them threaten violence.
Karen says
Just had a chance to do this…..oh dear…..well, Mr. Condell apparently has a pretty good sense of self and humor!
Dawn says
So I guess its ok for him to do this and nothing will happen right ,those who are in power think this isn’t a hate crime needs to be fired
Linda says
Just on a spiritual level, I wouldn’t be too concerned if he’s praying for someone’s death. He’s praying to Allah, not God.
Terry Gain says
With the exception of exhortations to violence I am adamantly opposed to hate speech laws. We won’t win this war against Islam unless we can speak the truth and a lot of the ugly truth about Islam and Mohammed is considered hate speech by those who are not Islam-aware.
gravenimage says
Toronto imam who prayed for killing of Jews again caught praying for deaths of non-Muslims
………………….
Gee, who ever would have thought? sarc/off
Kudos to the JDL for continuing to monitor this Mosque.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ex-gitmo-captive-set-to-sue-canada-for-50-million-for-alleged-complicity-in-torture-1.3664243
LeftisruiningCanada says
Say goodbye to another $10M everyone.
Doesn’t matter that the guy chose to go to Afghanistan, then Pakistan, and then was picked up, obviously in the middle of a big city minding his own business, by US soldiers.
Such an unlucky individual should be definitely be given more money than 99% of Canadians ever make in their whole lives. Maybe he’ll take a poorly timed vacation to Syria and find himself strangely caught up in actions against whats left of ISIS, the poor hapless man.
John Forbes says
LITTLE ASTONISHES ME ABOUT THE IDIOTS IN ONTARIO OR TORONTO !
THEIR STUPIDITY IS IMMEASURABLE & VERY DETERMINED !
THEY WILL FRITTER AWAY FREE SPEECH & DEMOCRACY & BE ASTOUNDED WHEN IT IS GONE !!
gravenimage says
John, your posts are very good. They would have more of an impact and be read by more people if they were not in ALL CAPS, though.
Politicianphobia says
Just another maniac Imam. I wonder if the M-103 committee are aware of this one. I have informed them and Carol Hughes, NDP, MP for Algoma, Manitoulin, Kapuskasing who voted for M-103, of the internet postings of Imam Mazin Abdul-Adhim, head of Hibz ut-Tahrir in Canada, living in London, Ontario. He just wants Shari’ah law in Canada and I, I just want him deported back to Iraq where he belongs.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Oh allah!
Please turn your muslims’ culturally-enriching attentions to the liberals who most enable them!
😉
Politicianphobia says
I was thrown out of a mosque in 1987 and I was told never to come back. I saw women sitting on the floor in a circle with the not so holy man sitting on a tall stool in the middle. He jumped off his perch and pushed me down the hall and out the door. I did not feel the love. lol I wore blue jeans and a T-shirt. lol That was my first day in trying to educate myself about the religion of peace and from there it has been all down hill.
gravenimage says
I can’t imagine a rabbi, minister, or priest doing such a thing.