“They are ignorant and there is no need for dialogue with them, God has given them two options, one is the holy book and one is the stick [Force] and if one does not accept the holy book they have to be forced.”
What a pity that learned imams such as Pope Francis or H.R. McMaster were not on hand to explain to Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianvi how he was misunderstanding his own religion, and that authentic Islam and the proper understanding of the Qur’an reject every form of violence.
“Pakistani-American Muslims call for restrictions against ‘non-Muslims,’” by Ehsan Rehan, Rabwah Times, November 20, 2017 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):
Pakistan born Islamic cleric Rafiq Khan defined America as “The land of Infidels” at a fundraiser for his Islamic charity this Saturday. The event which was held at a Holiday Inn in Springfield, Virginia attracted over 100 participants. Speakers included an Islamist from Pakistan as well as radical Imams from the states of Maryland, Virginia, and Texas. The conference revolved around the topics of Jihad, Infidels and what can the American Muslim community do to counter conspiracies against Islam.
We went undercover to report on the day-long event which was organized by two U.S. registered charities, Idara Dawat-O-Irshad and Khatme Nubuwwat Center, both of which enjoy IRS tax-exempt status.
The registration desk which was manned by teenagers displayed flyers and posters denouncing the founder of the moderate Ahmadiyya Islamic sect. An exhibition stall lined with posters urged Muslim voters to not vote for “non-Muslim candidates”. The event particularly targeted the Ahmadis who are considered heretic by the majority of mainstream Muslims as they believe in another Prophet after Prophet Muhammad and have a different understanding of Jihad. Many of the conference speakers accused the Ahmadis of being ‘Infidels’ and criticized them for having ‘abolished Jihad’.
The event’s keynote speaker was Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianvi, a visiting Islamic cleric from Pakistan. In a 2016 piece, Ludhianvi who serves as the editor of monthly Millia magazine claimed that America was behind the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
Ludhianavi, who is also the principal of the Islamic seminary Dar-ul-Uloom located in the Pakistani city of Faisalabad claimed that ‘ignorant Infidels’ need to be dealt with force, He said:
“They are ignorant and there is no need for dialogue with them, God has given them two options, one is the holy book and one is the stick [Force] and if one does not accept the holy book they have to be forced”
He also urged American Muslim Lawyers to use the American Justice system to restrict the religious freedom of Ahmadis:
“Have all Muslim lawyers died, why cant they learn and understand U.S. laws and then go present their case in front of the judge and explain that Qadianis [Ahmadis] are disrespecting Islam……..Islam is our faith and they [Ahmadis] are portraying their religious beliefs as Islamic beliefs ……. it should be made criminal for them to do so”
Commenting on the dangers faced by Islam, Ludhianvi said:
“The biggest threat that Islam is facing today is the disruption of the family system, for which they [west] are urging women to go out of their homes”
Last year in his magazine, Ludhainvi issued a Fatwa (decree) stating that “The use of cellphone by women in public places was against Islam” and so was wearing “High heel shoes”
Another Islamic cleric, Usman Ahsan, a graduate of Dar-ul-Uloom, a Canadian Islamic seminary declared that claiming to be a Prophet after Muhammad was “enough to wage war” against them.
Pakistani cleric Ludhanvi repeated Ahsan’s comments and said that:
“those who claimed prophethood after Prophet Muhammad were not only given death sentences by were actually killed”
Similar comments were made by Mufti Qareeb ur Rehman, an American Imam who graduated from Pakistan’s Jamia Binoria Karachi, an Islamic seminary with ties to extremist groups. Rehman currently serves as an Imam at the Manassas Muslim Association.
Another Jamia Binoria graduate, Imam Shazad Hussain of Springfield’s ‘Noor Mosque’ claimed that the minority Ahmadis conspired with the British to stop Muslims from ‘fighting Jihad and committing bloodshed’.
Imam Shazad Hussain further added that:
We are not going to support any [peace] initiatives of people who have fallen out of the fold of Islam…
During a Question and Answer session, Pakistani speaker Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianvi warned the U.S. Government to “stop giving refuge to the adherents of the Qadiani faith [Ahmadis]” who he claimed were worse than Jews & Christians….
Barry says
….any mohammaden coming at me with a stick best be ready to have a doctor extract it out of their anal orifice….
ed says
Who brings a stick yo a gun fight ?
jihad3tracker says
PLEASE — EVERYONE — SEND THIS ITEM TO YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS, FAITH LEADER, and especially your state and federal ELECTED OFFICIALS.
In BOTH political parties, even if you think that Democrats in your state are hopelessly Leftist, cheerleading for Islam. At least they have been confronted — if you send this post — about the truth.
ALSO SEND IT TO BROADCAST MEDIA — nearby TV stations in your region. Some of those have “tipline” paths that actually do reach a reporter. TRY THOSE TIPLINES — as well as the chief executive or manager at the stations.
Barry says
….no jihad3tracker….you’re getting it all wrong; they’re just practicing their ‘religion’ under the full protection of the U.S. constitution…..how dare ANYONE question their ‘religious’ freedom….
John says
For the term religious freedom to apply it has to be a religion, death cults do not count. Barry it sounds like you are suffering from a very terminal case of Misled Muslim Information Syndrome. It is especially contagious to those in close contact with liberal news providers . Get the real story straight from the goat racers mouth by picking up an English translation Quran and find out just who in the hell you are trying to show support for. These things are here to kill everything not Muslim. And by the way Islamophobic has lost credit due to the are amount of Jewish , gay , and Christian deaths world wide by a so-called peaceful religion.
Brian says
Yep.exactly and obviously that douchenozzle don’t know US laws or he would not of made such an asinine comment
Sons of Liberty says
Why the hell are we letting Muslims in from Pakistan ? They are some of the most fundamental Muslims who actively support violent jihad. The wife of the San Bernardino CA , jihadist came from Pakistan and was instrumental in carrying out the attack. Read the reports , she was the first to OPEN FIRE ! The INSANITY of our government is going to lead to MANY MORE AMERICAN deaths I’m afraid.
J D S says
Has our government and state law enforcement lost their gonads?????
I May be wrong…sometimes I am. But it appears to me that there was a lot of treason going on at this so called conference. Allowing foreigners to speak against our way of life and so called American citizens calling for death to other American citizens is unacceptable.
I would hope that the FBI were there undercover as well as Robert’s undercover people.
LR says
JDS…
I was thinking the same thing…From what I’ve heard though, we need at least a couple hundred more FBI agents just to try and keep track of these asshats.
If this story is accurate, I also would like to know why the heck a Jihadi supporting Imam from Pakistan was allowed into the country to speak? Why the heck would ‘we’ be stupid enough to do that?
Wellington says
Held at a Holiday Inn in Virginia this year. May I suggest this fundraiser be held at Stanford next year. Bet no administrators at Stanford would impede it in any way. To do so would be Islamophobic, now wouldn’t it?
JW_Reader says
I am forwarding a copy to Imamama Nancy Howe, associate dean at Stanford. Incidentally there was degree mill running out of Pakistan, offering Ph.D. from stanfUrd Univ for $5000.
gravenimage says
Yes–at a *Holiday Inn* in Virginia. How f*cking insane is this?
J D S says
Well…..Virginia….There is a Santa Claus…Radical islamist?
blitz2b says
I wish someone could supply the transcripts of this ignorant imam’s sermons to the mainstream leftard enemedia.. . or any media to expose the true agenda of Muslim Americans and Canadians.
Do we in the west really have to sit on our hands and do nothing while these idiots openly plan our demise and ultimate takeover. Do we really just sit back and listen without as much as a flinch, to this jihadist vitriolic propaganda that is brainwashing the already disillusioned American Muslims? Why haven’t surveillance measures being taken at every Islamic meet?
When all is lost, history will truly remember this age as the height of intellectual deprecation.
Barry says
I beg to differ….the imam is not at all ignorant…but tragically spot on….that is Islam in a nutshell…..SUBMIT…..
gravenimage says
All too true, Barry.
blitz2b says
Barry I certainly did not mean “ignorant” as per the Islamic world view, to which I agree with you that he is spot on, I was referring to his ignorance of reality and the world view of the enlightened west, where “all men are created equal…”
Sons of Liberty says
With all due respect , WHAT ENLIGHTENED WEST ? The West that openly INVITES Muslims into their countries and pays them with their own citizens tax dollars ? That West ! We are worried about North Korea in the United States ,…BUT what about the ACTUAL THREAT of bringing in Muslims through the front door and spreading them around the Country with OUR TAX DOLLARS ! We are so worried about FOREIGN THREATS while ALLOWING THE US STATE DEPARTMENT to FLOOD our Country with REAL THREATS.
blitz2b says
@ sons of liberty “….With all due respect , WHAT ENLIGHTENED WEST ?…”
So are you saying that in your opinion, the Judeo-Christian vales on which which our constitutions were based that declare that “all men are created equal”, are not superior, just because we repeatedly elect bunch of leftist Muslim pandering Marxists to office everywhere in the west?
That may be the downside of freedom of choice, but certainly in no way does it give you right to mock our enlightened status. These values are a beacon that attracts all from every corner of the globe, it is up to us to choose the right people to uphold those principles on which the civilized west was established.
Sons of Liberty says
I would never question the enlightenment of the Founding Fathers and the Republic they founded but you can’t really believe the bloated, wasteful, and ignorant government we have today would be a government our Founding Fathers would recognize . Read their comments about the Muslims and they would think we are insane to be bringing them into the Country they founded . Sharia Law is the absolute opposite of our CONSTITUTION.
simpleton1 says
Sons of Liberty,
You are right, the founding fathers and early Americans, in the beginning did not understand Islam, but they stayed principled, studied the koran, then attacked the Barbary Coast, in 2 wars.
They recognized evil when they saw and heard it.
Islam and muslims have not changed since those times.
Learning coran says
Islamic terrorist doesn’t worship what the infidel worship; Islamic terrorist worships Allah alone, which makes Islamic terrorist “the best of people” (Qur’an 3:110), and Islamic terrorist refuses to be judged by the standards of the unbelievers, who are the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6). It is an insight into how jihadis view the so-called “verses of tolerance.”
Q: Who is muhammad?
A: Prophet of islam
Q: Was he a pedophile?
A: No
Q: How old was aisha when he had sex with her?
A: 9 years old
Q: Was muhammad a mass murderer?
A: No
Q: How many Jewish men did he behead?
A: 600
Q: Was muhammad a thief?
A: No
Q: Did he order looting meccan caravans?
A: Yes
Q: Did muhammad advise to eat halal food?
A: Yes
Q: Who advised his followers to drink camel urine?
A: muhammad
Q: Was muhammad a pagan?
A: No
Q: What rituals are similar between the pagans and the mouselims?
A: Kissing a black rock, circling a pagan temple, full moon-sightings to break your fast
Q: Was muhammad a cuckold?
A: No
Q: Who instructed his wife to breastfeed grown men?
A: muhammad
Q: Was a muhammad a necrophile?
A: No
Q: Who had sex with his dead aunt’s corpse?
A: muhammad
Q: Who sat down and peed like a woman?
A: muhammad
Q: Did muhammad have a vagina?
A: no
Q: what is the black rock in mecca shaped like?
A: vagina
Q: Was muhammad an adulterer?
A: No
Q: What does surah 4:24 say?
A: Sex with married women is prohibited except with those slaves who already have husbands
Q: Did muhammad utter the satanic verses?
A: No
Q: What does surah 22 verse 52 say?
A: satan corrupted muhammad’s words and allah had to later correct them by proofreading the quran!
WOW! what a great noble religion!
Muhammad orders his son-in-law Ali, to behead Al-Nadr bin al-Harith on page 136.
Muhammad says that those who follow him will be given paradise; those who refuse will be slaughtered and sent to hell on page 222
Muhammad affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered
On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad:
Abu jahl said to them: “Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell.” The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: “I do say that.”
Muhammad approves the stabbing of Uqba bin Abu Muayt on page 308.
Muhammad arranges the beheading of Kab bin al-Ashraf on page 364-9.
Muhammad personally beheads over 600 Jewish prisoners of war on page 464
Muhammad orders the torturing of treasurer of Khaybar tribe, Kinana on page 515
Islamic source texts say that Muhammad ordered the torture of a man in order to get hold of a treasure. We learn of that in the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, pages 511-517 (758-766 in the Arabic). https://archive.org/stream/TheLifeOfMohammedGuillaume/The_Life_Of_Mohammed_Guillaume#page/n279/mode/1up
The same pages in that earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad also tell us that after the torture, Muhammad had the man beheaded, and that later that night, or the next, Muhammad took into his private tent for consummation of “marriage” the tortured man’s widow, whose father and other male relatives Muhammad had just killed.
Muhammad orders the killing of Abdullah bin Katal’s and one of his singing-girls on page 550-1
Muhammad approves the murder of Asma bint Marwan on page 675-6.
Muhammad arranges the assassination of the old man Abu Afak on page 675.
Muhammad approves the murder of an old one-eyed Bedouin man, by Amr bin Umayya, one of his Jihadist thugs on page 674-5.
http://www.justislam.co.uk/images/Ibn%20Ishaq%20-%20Sirat%20Rasul%20Allah.pdf
Mohammed prophesied:
“this religion will split into seventy three; seventy two are in Hell and one is in Heaven…”
https://mohamedghilan.com/2011/11/10/my-ummah-will-split-into-73-sects-thats-it/
Is terror really the evil opposite of what Islam is?
Islamic terroriste murdered Inocent people in name of islam and shouting alluhu akbar, but no, muslims are more worried about the image of Islam.
“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
“When your Lord inspired to the angels, ‘I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.’” (Qur’an 8:12)
“And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know, whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.” (Qur’an 8:60)
A hadith has Muhammad saying: “I have been made victorious with terror.” (Bukhari 4.52. 220)
The idea of some backlash by racist redneck yahoos against innocent Muslims after jihad terror attacks is a media fiction with no basis in reality
When will somebody ask just one of these “peaceful” Muslims to publicly repudiate all the hateful COMMANDS in the Koran? Terrorism is the very essence of Islam.
Muslims don’t think much of non-Muslims, if the assumption after an attack is that non-Muslims are going to take revenge on any or all Muslims. Do Muslims see non-Muslims as inferior “others?” Is that the reason Muslims are fearful? Is it fair to say Muslims are bigoted? Isn’t that the point here because the backlash hasn’t ever actually happened, except for some minor episodes. Or is the situation that Muslims know that the jihad attacks will be continuing, and will only get worse? That’s why some backlash is inevitable?
Too bad defending their religion is more important than protecting innocent people. Very sad.
(Islam is the *only* religion that has a chapter in its “holy book” titled “Booty”–Al-Anfal–that is dedicated to robbing and pirating unbelievers and divvying up the ill-gotten gains
“And know that anything you obtain of war booty – then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion – the day when the two armies met. And Allah, over all things, is competent.” (Qur’an 8:41)
ALL MUSLIMS ARE BOUNTY HUNTERS COMMISSIONED BY ALLAH to HUNT, CAPTURE, ENSLAVE or KILL the dirty KAFIRS.
Please, Google MOST DAMNING VIDEO EVER! MUST SHARE NOW.! Egyptian Coptic scholar Usama Dakdok
No Fear says
You forgot to mention the hadith that justifies the writing of Quran 4:24. Mohammed did not like the way his soldiers were reluctant to rape the wives of the enemy:
The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” (Hadith Abu Dawud 2150, also Sahih Muslim 3433)
Mohammed, an excellent example for all man!
Brian says
How convienant oh what timing Allah, Islam,the religeon that conforms to ones immoral agenda
gravenimage says
+1
Sons of Liberty says
Well stated , Learning coran ! Proof….. there IS NO PEACFUL ISLAM !
Learning coran says
ALLAH SACTIONED ISLAMIC PERSECUTION, OPEN HATRED & KILLINGS OF INFIDLES AND RAPES
NOTE: TO SOFTEN THE MEANING OF THE ARABIC WORD (SUGAR COAT), ISLAMIC APPOGISTS MISS OUT OR ADD OR MISINTERPRET THE MEANING OF THE ARABIC WORD.
THERE ARE 26 COPIES OF THE ARABIC VERSION OF THE KORAN/CORAN/CORAN. REPEATED VERSES ARE FROM DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS
________________________________________
“The original source documents of Islam are more violent than the sacred text of nine other world religions:
Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.”
INEQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW
There are 4,200 different religions. If the UK police are protecting only ONE of the 4,200 religions, then it is INEQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW. They must censor comments regarding the other 4,199 religions, or they must admit that the freedom of speech includes the right to criticize ALL RELIGIONS equally.
Worst Nations on Earth for Gender Equality are All Islamic
https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2016/10/27/top-10-worst-nations-on-earth-for-gender-equality-are-all-islamic/
According to the World Economic Forum’s Global Gender Gap Index (2016), the 10 worst countries for gender equality are those in which Islam is the dominant religious demographic.
1.Yemen 2.Pakistan 3.Syria 4.Saudi Arabia 5.Chad 6.Iran 7.Mali 8.Morocco 9.Côte d’Ivoire [1]
10.Lebanon. You can take those and ad: somolia libya egypt iraq turkey chechnya afghan tunisia and any other isLIEmic fiefdoms of human rights abuse and baby raping, and you’ll have a list of the worst open sewers of shariaDiahrea misogyny & tyranny.
Just great places to live, especially if you’re a six year old defenceless little girl..!!!!
ISLAM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENDER EQUALITY! not criticize INEQUALITY WHEN MUSLIMS DO IT … to the SISTERS UPSTAIRS?
The concept of blood money in Saudi Arabia means that when a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follows:
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian man
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman
According to this hierarchy, a Muslim man’s life is worth 33 TIMES THAT OF A HINDU WOMAN. This hierarchy is based on the Islamic definition of human rights and is rooted in the Quran and Sharia (Islamic law). How can we talk of democracy when the concept of equality in Islam is nonexistent?
INEQUALITY is a basic concept of Islam. (Mortimer)
gravenimage says
Good posts.
Tom says
We can bring them in, give them social welfare, medical treatment, housing, equal rights and freedoms, freedom of religion without persecution and they will STILL BE VIPERS in our midst.
IQ al Rassooli says
Please correct me if I am wrong, if this was done ‘undercover’ is there a RECORDING of this event?
Without concrete evidence this article even if true is useless in a court of law
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Learning coran says
Islam: • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
Apparently all opposition to the Islamic dogma of Supremacy, misogyny, violence, prejudice and deceit is actually racism, phobic and now “sexist”.
Any Muslim may carry out the death sentence or even decide independently that it is blasphemy. There is no punishment for a vigilante who defends Islam and punishes a imagined blasphemer.
Totalitarian systems: The fact that criticism of Islam is penalized in many muslim countries just shows that Islam is a totalitarian system. If western civilization still stands for human rights and liberty then it has to fight islamic totalitarism, otherwise Islamic totalitarism will slowly erode western freedoms.
in Muslim countries, promoting genocide is OK if MUSLIMS DO IT. MULLAHS OPENLY and PUBLICLY CALL FOR GENOCIDE.
Totalitarian systems: The fact that criticism of Islam is penalized in many muslim countries just shows that Islam is a totalitarian system. If western civilization still stands for human rights and liberty then it has to fight islamic totalitarism, otherwise Islamic totalitarism will slowly erode western freedoms.
How has Islam accomplished the trick of turning any criticism, denunciation or rejection of one of the most evil and savage men to have ever lived into a crime or a “phobia”? A 7th Century barbarian somehow becomes immune from disapproval in the 21st Century?
The answer is violence, the threat of violence and deceit on a massive scale, aided and abetted by the complacence and “progressive” virtue seeking that now plagues our societies.
The Cult of Islam has nearly succeeded in turning morality upside down and will be victorious unless we wake up to reality very soon.
anyone in doubt has to do is READ only chapters 2 to 9 of Muhammad’s Quran and watch the repeated mass slaughter of unarmed innocent European, American, Russian, Indian, Chinese, Iraqi etc. civilians by Muslims proclaiming they are doing the butchery to PLEASE their demonic god Allah
Of course no one says exactly what the accused person said that so insulted Islam. How accused insulted a DEAD MAN so disrespectfully he/she should spent years in prison for it.
You just have to take their word that it was something really really bad. No, the writer can’t repeat it, then writer would be in trouble. Of course, they can’t repeat it in court, then the lawyers would be in trouble. So, for accused gets to go to prison where accused may never come out alive (he’s now a “blasphemer”), going to prison in like the rape victims jailed for admitting to fornication by crying rape.
the poor soul being led away by the thought police for somehow offending the Muslims (or just been accused of it by someone out to get him). Kind of like Pakistan without the mountain views.
Islam doesn’t need any help. It’s insulting enough on it’s own:
Koran 2:191 “slay the unbelievers wherever you find them”
Koran 3:21 “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends”
Koran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam”
Koran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran”
Koran 8:60 ” Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels”
Koran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid, urge all Muslims to fight them”
Koran 9:5 “When the opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you find them”
Koran 9:123 “Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood”
Koran 22:19 “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water, melt their skin and bellies”
Koran 47:4 “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels, behead them when you catch them”.
In the enlightened West, people aren’t arrested or jailed for criticizing Muhammad. They’re just excoriated as racist, bigoted Islamophobes, and shunned by all decent people, and concerted efforts are made to deny them access to all means of communication. Everyone the world over agrees that Muhammad, alone of all human beings, must never be criticized.
The koranic verses above are their own best testimony as to why muslims are waging jihad against us in all its ugly forms. Their “holy” scriptures teach bigotry and hate, and their deeds and actions are the material manifestation of those bad teachings. That’s why islam is an evil influence that needs to be eradicated. It’s a detriment to our peace and freedoms, and a real-world threat to the future prosperity of all mankind.
Sadly, the new “Hate Crime” narrative somehow overlooks the content of Islam.
Instead, Conservatives are labelled as being “Hateful” – “Insulting” – “Islamophobic” ect..ect..ect…
Can you imagine what would happen if we created a religion that used the same kind of verses against leftist politicians and muslims? Holy cripes, we’d be arrested before the weekend! We’d be charged with making terroristic threats and a dozen other trumped up charges. But it’s not the same for muslims, we’re supposed to show unbounded tolerance despite the fact there’s an epidemic of violence by muslims for those religious teachings. We’re not supposed to care about the raping of our women and kids, terrorism, the creepy enclaves, the erosion of our civil rights, hell, we can’t even talk about it without getting blasted as racist bigot islamophobes. It’s becoming a crime and a racial offense to be proud of ones country, to defend human rights, and to criticize islam’s violent, fascist ideas. And this is very maddening to decent folk, because the bigotry and violence of islam manifests in our lives a hundred different ways. Who’s going to get raped by a horny muslim today? who’s going to get murdered for allah? who’s going to get acid in the face for dating a Christian? who’s going to get jailed or fined for telling an inconvenient fact about islam? who’s going to be sexually mutilated like a slave getting prepped for a life time of male servitude? who’s going to be driven from their home for a muslim migrant that openly admits their contempt for our culture and laws?
in the Scrutiny and criticism of any religion has never been deemed a crime West. If Islam is to be treated equally, then it should not be immune from criticism. Given the global crimes against humanity committed by jihadists and Islamic supremacists today, it is fundamental to scrutinize Islam. The Indonesian Muslim scholar Yahya Cholil Staquf, general secretary of the 50-million-member Nahdlatul Ulama, stated:
“Stop pretending that orthodox Islam and violence aren’t linked…The West must stop ascribing any and all discussion of these issues to “Islamophobia.” Or do people want to accuse me — an Islamic scholar — of being an Islamophobe too?”
The inconvenient truth is that Islamic supremacists globally are persecuting Christians on a genocidal scale; killing other Muslims deemed not Muslim enough (over 11 million since 1948); abusing minorities and women; seeking to obliterate the Jewish state of Israel; and infiltrating Western nations (which they consider part of the House of War). Infidels are beheaded, an alarming number of “white girls” in the U.K. are raped and abused by Muslim grooming gangs because of their race and creed; gays are thrown off rooftops; beheadings and stonings are still sanctioned for crimes in Sharia states; women are worth less than men under the Sharia; FGM is practiced routinely worldwide; it is blasphemy to criticize or mock Muhammad; and it is illegal to challenge the Sharia, as it is regarded as divine law.
Questioning and public scrutiny of Islam are not the same as attacking all Muslims, and to criminalize so-called “Islamophobia” is an affront to democratic principles; free speech is a cornerstone of any free society
There is and never will be a moderate Islam, Islam states there will never be “change” to the written Koran and to do is penalty of death.
Wake up people, what you see happening with ISIS like groups is whats written in the Koran, all of what you see happening is Islam in its true form: do not be fooled, Islam will never change and has not since its creation. If that does not get your attention than what will?
Learning coran says
Is knowing the truth about Islam also “islamophobia”?
What does Islam teach its followers? (muslims)
Islam teaches some really nasty, nasty stuff
Here’s a way for readers to see how “peaceful” Islam is from the comfort of their own home and learn it’s sinister truth
Quran.com
The way to use that website Quran.com is to search for the verse you want, here’s a couple examples of verses I recommend, just copy each set of verse numbers below into the “search” bar at Quran.com
8:39 “fight till all religion is for allah” IE. until all people are Muslim
9:5 “when sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists” Islam considers Christianity polytheists
9:29
4:89 “if they turn away (from Islam) kill them”
2:191 “and kill them wherever you overtake them, such is recompense of disbelievers (non-Muslims)”
8:67 “it is not for a prophet to have captives of war (slaves) until he inflicts a slaughter upon the land”
47:4 “when you meet disbeliever (non-Muslim) strike neck” see 8:39 above Islam is at war with all
5:51. “take no Jew or Christian as an ally”
9:30
3:151
8:12 “cast TERROR into hearts of disbelievers, so strike their necks & strike every fingertip”
8:60 “prepare whatever steeds of war you are able that you may TERRIFY enemies of allah” non-Muslims
9:111
13:41
7:175
5:33
4:25
24:2
37:88
38:31
47:35 “do not seek peace while you are superior”
Etc#
the Copts and other Christians in Dar-al-Islam are violently persecuted. This happens in *every* Muslim-majority country.
Christians are facing full genocide in places like Pakistan and Iraq.
In Egypt and other Islamic countries, it is way of life. Muslims are FULL of hate. The Copts are extremely peaceful people. Despite all the horrible atrocities committed by Muslims against them, they did not ever raise a hand against a Muslim. However, this did not help to soften the extreme hate in the Muslims’ hearts planted by Mohammad in the evil Koran. It is about time to declare Islam is NOT a religion, because it is not.
(Among all the claims Muslims make about their religion at least one of them is absolutely true; nothing has been changed since Muhammad’s first revelation. In an unbroken chain Muslims have been emulating their prophet, as instructed to do by Allah in the Quran. Muhammad had people killed over insults and was not troubled if innocent people, who had some association with the original “criminal”, were also killed.
To riot, burn and loot against perceived blasphemers and their friends and neighbors is 100% pure Islam. And it doesn’t even matter if the alleged blasphemy was a factually correct statement. Some countries will always be poor and their citizens uneducated. These are the countries where Shariah underpins every law. It is not possible for an intelligent, creative or ambitious person to be who they are in such a country. Where the voice of reason has been criminalized the gap is filled by angry, self-righteous mobs.
All of the destruction, death and looting are, in their minds, celebrated by Allah. So they get to hurt people and take their stuff without remorse which makes Islam the preferred religion for ignorant sociopaths. (DRHazard)
Learning coran says
a lot of love in Christianity, a lot of anger and hate in Islam. Christian pray for others, muslims pray for themselves. “religion of war” full of “venomous misogyny
• Coran has 114 chapters 6666 word. Jesus mentioned 25 times and mohammed 4 times
• Hate appears towards unbeliever 296 times,
• (kill unbeliever 180 times,
• muslims are the best people.
• slaughtering people – and their neighbors and entire community – over just a rumor is mainstream Islam.
• 51% (548,190 words) of the Trilogy text (koran, hadith,sira), most of it slanders against non-Muslims
• 20% of quran is loving and peaceful towards allah and muslim brother. Not a single verse peaceful and be nice towards muslim sister
• 154 – 164 verses of curses , jihad and war and killings -31% of the Islamic Trilogy (327,547 words) concerned with jihad-warfare
that’s 80% plus of that obnoxious rag being useless
Muslims are the “best of peoples” (3:110)
Hardly a day goes by without an Islamic terror attack somewhere in the world.
Without the threat of ‘violence ‘Islam has nothing to back it up.The alternative to violence surely is ‘love’which Christianity has in abundance.Therefore Islam will become redundant and shrivel away..Just when is the penny going to drop for Muslims.?
Blatant lies: Islam has NOTHING to do with terror
What terror? Oh…THAT terror!
a small but representative sample of the Qur’an’s violence and hate
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
the Hadith Book 12 has 1700 verses about Jihad alone.
Many imams say, it’s un-Islamic to “love” the DIRTY KUFAAR??? Muslims who do not show hostility towards the kufaar will not be admitted to Islamic paradise.
First, Reformers refused to recognize that the Qur’an by itself was so full of anti-Infidel sentiment that ignoring the Hadith would not rid Islam of its violence and inculcated hate. Second, Reformers never did explain how it was that 1.5 billion Muslims could be convinced to ignore the hadith.
Why do we deceive ourselves?
IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!
198 islamic jihad attacks; 1777 killed; 1863 wounded; 34 bombings; attacks occurred in 32 countries.
There are 3 killed by jihad attacks every day of the year. ARE ALL OF THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS WHO ARE READY TO GIVE UP THEIR LIVES TRULY ‘INSANE’, or is Islam’s ideology to blame?
To those patrons of the London Underground who went to stare at a BURNING BOMB, I must say, “NEXT TIME, GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THE BOMB, UNLESS YOU ARE A BOMB DISPOSAL EXPERT.” (Mortimer)
‘STAGED’ Islamic terror in the last 30 days: (In May/June 2017)
‘STAGED’ SINCE 9/11- 30,973 DEADLY ‘STAGED’ JIHAD ATTACKS
Over thirty one thousand terror attacks and still nothing is being done, least of all, is the truth even being spoken. All so that 1.4 billion people around the planet can believe in a God who gives them sex robots and sex slaves if they just murder a few people on their way to
Paradise.
terrorist attacks by Muslims around the world since 9/11? Muslim terrorist attacks in New York, Washington, Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, Minneapolis, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, Orlando, Chattanooga? Or other attacks in London, Manchester, Paris, Nice, Toulouse, Madrid, Brussels, Amsterdam, Berlin, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Malmo, Helsinki, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Beslan? Or in Mumbai, Delhi, Beijing?
Home Office UK data released last month( Sept 2017) showed the number of people detained
over suspected terrorism increased to 379 – the highest since records began. UK had some
very tragic and horrific terror attacks in the last year 2016
The bulk of crimes in Britain are frauds, thefts and public order offences which have no link to extremism.”
Thank God for that “failure” and UK vice versa! And you forgot rape, especially the more than a thousand girls raped by muslim barbarians. And don’t leave out the crimes you cited which are mainly perpetrated by muslims who are commanded to do so. That’s why you’ll never have enough law enforcement to cover all the fraud, vandalism, or rape since you let in the invading barbarians.
You brattish turn everything around, you have so many crimes , because you let them do that. You did not protect your own citizens, and you still are not doing any thing. You ket them crowd the streets in London, you let the children be forced to pray in school ., you let them beat up Jewish kids or infidel kids, you let them commit beheading, raping, beating, mutilating young girls, polygamy, forced how to dress, when to eat and how to eatYou only had to tell them to keep at the law of the land, like we had to do.
Thanks very much.
Muslims consider the appropriation of the wealth of the non-Muslim as entirely acceptable as
the Allah-created universe sees the Muslim supported by the non-Muslim through their
so-called jizya. So, yes, these theft crimes are very much part of the jihad, as are public order offenses whose aim is to keep the non-Muslim in a state of fear.
the Muslims have no qualms about stealing non-Muslim wealth and whatever. They are taught it is allah’s blessing. They are no better in dealing with their own widows or other
underprivileged. Politicians bragging about their own crimes? Never heard that one before…
1. The Quran contains many verses .Several command Muslims to strike fear into the hearts of the unbelievers and to kill the apostates.
And call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Moslems were NEVER told to love Jews or Christians but rather to murder and kill them all for Allah. – no, not even one verse from the Qu ran to show or proof that Mohamed told Moslems to love Christians and Jews… but here we have Mohamed telling Moslems how to treat Christians and Jews…
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed.
Muhammad’s own martial legacy – and that of his companions – along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
2. HANDY GUIDE TO INTERPRETATION
“Kill” means kill.
“Stone” means stone.
“Cut off” means cut off.
“What your right hands possess” means slaves.
3. kafir -> extrame degrading word for UNbeliever
jihad3tracker says
HELLO L.C. —
Thank you for the time and energy required to write those posts.
I think you might have actually typed a longer series of remarks than our superb commenter Mortimer — and several of the other JW experts ! ! ! !
Learning coran says
Allah is hate spreader and Islamic text is doctrine of hate
Koran 40:35 “They [kafirs] who dispute the signs (verses) of Allah without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers (mohammden).” (Note: not just “hated”, but “greatly hated”.)
If Allah hates, then a Muslim should hate, as well. This hate is not due to moral failings. No, a kafir is hated for the simple reason that the kafir does not think that Mohammed is a prophet. [If Mohammed is not a prophet, then the Koran is fiction, and Islam is meaningless.] In the Sira( Mohammed’slife/biography) we find that Islam destroys cultured, wise people of high moral standards because they do not believe Mohammed. It is not personal; it is simply Islam.
Examples: “Christian cannot eat in Muslim owned restaurant, schools, colleges, office buildings nor they can drink water in same glasses which is worst kind of hate on religion in Pakistan but this new trend of prohibition on use of toilets in schools is inexpressible in words.”
whereever muslims appear in significant numbers everything turns bad.
muslims are racist to the bone,religious racism of the worst kind.
Hate and persecution of Christians and other religious minorities in Islamic countries is unbearable.
Majority muslim Indonesia is not easy for other beliefs.
Indonesia: Remote Orang Rimba Tribe Forced to Convert to Islam
The Islamic Defenders Front – a vigilante group whose leader is facing charges of inciting religious violence – helped facilitate the conversion.
Ustad Reyhan, from the Islamic missionary group Hidayatullah, has stayed to make sure the new faith is practised.
“For now we are focusing on the children. It’s easier to convert them – their mind isn’t filled with other things. With the older ones it’s harder,” he says….………..
The surrounding majority Muslim population calls the Orang Rimba “Kubu”.
“It means that they are very dirty, they are garbage, you can’t even look because it is so disgusting,” explains anthropologist Butet Manurung,
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/11/19/tribe-forced-to-islam/
ISLAM HAS A DOCTRINE OF HATE: ‘AL BARAA’ = Islamic Apartheid, Shunning
Al Bughoud = Hatred of Kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’ or Al Mu’adaat (hatred) is the opposite of Al Muwalaat (love of Muslims), it is:
– To Hate
– To keep distance from
– To be enemy to
– To desert
– To decline to help
– To disrespect
– To put down
– Not to ally with
– Not to support
Allah ordered Muslims to have Baraa (to be cleansed) from the kufaar and from kufr and shirk.
-Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed and act upon it, and yet not be hostile against the mushrikeen. So anyone who isn’t hostile against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
-“The doctrine of al Walaa wal Baraa is the REAL IMAGE for the actual practice of this faith.” – source “Al Walaa wal Baraa According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf”, by Sheikh Muhammad Saeed al Qatani, authoritative Saudi Sharia lawyer and imam at the Abu Bakr and Al Furqan Mosques in Mecca. – https://islamfuture.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/al-wala-wal-bara-according-to-the-aqeedah-of-the-salaf-parts-123/
–from Sufi scholar Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624): “The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”
-from ibn Taymiyya, “Book of Emaan”: “… true believers show animosity and hatred towards disbelievers and never support them.”
-from Umar Sulayman ‘Abd-Allaah al-Ashqar, “Belief in Allah”: “The Muslim should regard the Kuffaar as enemies and hate them because of their kufr, just as he hates their kufr (disbelief) itself.”
-from [Chap.iv] “The Islaamic Concept of al-Walaa’ wal-Baraa’” by Khalid El-Gharib: “… to show enmity to those who show enmity to Allaah and His Messenger”.
(Note: Muslims are to visibly demonstrate their enmity or hatred towards the kufaar)
-from a lecture given by Sheikh Abdullah al-Faisal (H.A.): “The implication of al-Baraa is that one HATES for the sake of Allah (SWT)…Al-Baraa means to recognize who your enemies are and to HATE them and EXTERMINATE them in their Endeavour to get rid of your Deen, al-Islam…Al-Baraa is to HATE the people who propagate Baatil (falsehood)—the Muslim should HATE them and (at least desire to) KILL them when the time comes.”
elee says
They can start with Stanford. Oh wait, they already have.
Learning coran says
Islamic hate for the Jewish people is the outcome of a firm but blind and unquestioning faith in the “holy book’ of Islam the Koran. Which instructs in violence and killing for the cause of Islam. As found in, for example, 4: 89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. In other words the Koran inspires and causes such hideous violence. Furthermore, another role the Koran has in such deadly Islamic terror attacks in the Jewish nation of Israel is that the Koran contains many negative about the Jewish people.
How come “allah” is so anti-Semitic and anti-Christian given that all
of God’s prophets (in the Bible)-Moses,Elijah,Jesus…..are JEWISH?How nuts is “allah”?
The hatred of Jews (and Christians)./ promotion of hatred
jibreel{the anti-semitic angel of islam and impersonator of the Angel Gabriel}.
The one who gave{ the anti-Semitic koran}…to {the anti-Semitic} “prophet” muhammed..
…which comes from allah {the anti semitic and anti Christian god of islam(who curses the Jews and the Christians koran9:30}
allah also doesn’t understand the ludicrousness of his well-known contempt for the Jews(..And the Christians but it is mostly the Jews that allah despises..) k(9:30)
A god who hates is NOT the True God!
“The authors of the Quran were hell bent and obsessed with destroying Jews and Christians”
Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhist, Atheists, Agnostic etc. would be fools not to be concerned about all of the hatred and hostility directed towards them in the Quran and Islam’s other “sacred texts.”
ex-Muslims know that the PROBLEM WITH ISLAM is that Muslims want to follow the words and example of the evil Islamic prophet Muhammad and the fictitious Quran of the non-existent Islamic god Allah.
“The angel gabriel is the enemy of the Jews” sahih al bukhari vol4 bk 60 no 3329
.allah curses the Jews(and the Christians)in k9:30 and k3:56.
His “prophet” mahomed murdered them and the angel gabriel(-the luciferian counterfeit most certainly-)is the “enemy of the Jews”.
“When the last moment of allah’s apostle came he started putting the khamisa on his face and said “may allah curse the Jews and the Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their prophets”. Bukhari 1:8:427
It was narrated from Aishah that the Prophet said: ‘May Allah curse people who take the graves of their prophets as Masjids [mosques].’” (an-Nasa’i 21.230.2046)
“Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Messenger said, ‘May Allah’s curse be on the Jews for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.’” (Bukhari 8.86.437)
So just because Christians and Jews liked to build places of worship to God in their own way,the Christ-rejecting, commandment-violating,anti-semitic “prophet” of islam curses them.
Saudi schools teach Muhammad’s statements that Jews and Christians are accursed and Muslims must kill Jews. This idea isn’t some Wahhabi invention. It comes from statements attributed to Muhammad in the Hadith above:
Such a warped teaching from the most perfect man that ever lived (al-Insan al-Kamil).
gravenimage says
Learning coran, I think you are new here. I would like to welcome you to Jihad Watch!
mortimer says
Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianvi’s speech is filled with GENOCIDAL IDEATION. He is asking for the REMOVAL of the HUMAN RIGHTS and CIVIL LIBERTIES anyone who disagrees with his version of Islam.
gravenimage says
His “version of Islam”? I’m afraid this is very much mainstream Islam.
Norger says
Islamists caught in a candid moment,saying exactly what they stand for and how they plan to force their wretched belief system on Dar al Harb. And our MSM and politicians remain silent on the stated threat.
Walter Sieruk says
This Islamic conference in which the USA was denounced and condemned as the “land of infidels “ and likewise it declared that that one of the two accepted Islamic methods to “convert” non-Muslims to Islam is by “the stick [Force] …they have to be forced.”
This is ,very much , a strong reminder that the Christian man, Roger Williams , who was the founder of the State of Rhode Island was someone who had the wisdom and understanding to make a valid and true statement which is “That religion cannot be true which need such instruments of violence to uphold it.”
gravenimage says
+1
Stan Lee says
This is America’s reward for its Muslim migrant policy! No other religious order declared reaches the conclusions of its supremacy over all other religions represented in our nation.
But, all that is necessary in Islam is an Islamic Conference gathered in Virginia to pledge itself to the undermining of American freedoms and our historic rise among world nations. They are in favor of brushing aside the Representative Constitutional Republic,of the United States to which every Muslim migrant obviously misrepresented himself/herself when the Oath of Allegiance was given falsely. by them.
This is the gratitude to America for opening its doors to Muslim migration. In this case, they really weren’t verifiable nationals from specific nations (who had their records?There were none!). All we knew was they are Muslims and they received “carte blanche” from the Obama regime, which now continues to be repeated. They belong where they came from! Not swearing to take over the United States!
While we Americans criticize the “political correctness” that is killing the stupidly aloof E.U.,that has literally agreed via E.U. legislation to European suicide, we had best examine our own policies which forecast the same results as for Europe and Canada. What makes we Americans cause ourselves to be so far behind that we may be forced to resort to extreme violence to stop the nation’s journey to suicide?
Is it that, as a nation, we want to be the “good guys” to everyone, no matter the price demanded? I believe that Islam has demonstrated that it is the exception to receiving our goodness, therefore we should not be their benefactors.
Santa Voorhees says
“We are not going to support any [peace] initiatives of people who have fallen out of the fold of Islam…”
And then they have the nerve to complain about islamophobia…
Cheer Bear Girl says
All the more reason we shouldn’t let more Muslims in western nations. Islam is incompatible with our values. They want Shariah Law for all of us. Anyone who thinks Shariah is good should read the Quran and Hadiths and Suras for a more clear understanding of Shariah and all it entails.
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
Another poor misunderstander of Islam. And in the United States no less! Where did all of the religion of peace go?
Learning coran says
Terrorism cannot be separated from islam/‘Islamic-inspired terrorism’
Terrorism was present at Islam’s creation; terrorism is commanded by the Qur’an; terrorism was Muhammad’s major weapon of war; for Muslims, terrorism has worked. He stated it himself: “I have been made victorious by terror.” We should believe him.
There is no any doubt that terrorism occurs because jihadists are interpreting the Quran and hadith as justification for a holy war on unbelievers, and that they see it as a defense of Islam, one that is endorsed by the Prophet himself.
The Koran openly calls for terrorism: The divine command to terrorize is eternal, rather than contextual.
All of course, “Islamic-inspired terrorism,” Islamic apologists and Islamic Councils of West are at war with reality, and if you don’t fall in line with their demands, they will smear you as a racist, bigoted “Islamophobe.” This is how it works the world over, with the objective of intimidating all non-Muslims into not daring to identify the motivating ideology behind jihad terror, so that terror can advance unopposed and unimpeded.
Whenever mullahs say a jihadist is not following Islam, they may mean that the mullah did not personally send or authorize the jihadist. That is the role of the ‘IMAM’ (meaning the ‘CALIPH’
Islam, the true source of terrorism https://quran.com/8/12-17
https://twitter.com/ThorstenLayne/status/891380317243809792
Saudi Arabia to monitor use of Muhammad’s sayings in order to counter jihad terrorism”
“This is an admission that Muhammad’s sayings can lead to terrorism.”
Saudi Arabia has said it will act to counter Jihad terror many times before–all they mean is that they are going to try to persuade Jihadists that *attacking Saudi Arabia* itself and trying to overthrow its leaders is un-Islamic–not that there is anything wrong with waging violent Jihad against Infidels itself is wrong. it’s all a ‘Taqiyya’ bluff to make them look like the good guys of lslam
Why the hell do they need 70,000 mosques?
Here are some similar stories
“Saudi jihadi rehab program seeks less to give jihadis different view of Islam than to reinforce primacy of Saudi state
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/saudi-arabias-jihadi-rehab-program-seeks-less-to-give-jihadis-different-view-of-islam-than-to-reinforce-primacy-of-saudi-state
“Saudi Arabia claims to have fired “thousands” of “extremist” imams
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/saudi-arabia-claimed-to-have-fired-thousands-of-extremist-imams
“The whole idea that this is merely a political war, is wrong. ISIS leader Abu K. unambiguously states We kill them, because Allah told us to, and not because they attack us. The only way out for them is to convert or to pay a head tax. If Allah is their “God” and requires death or conversion, you have to wonder who their “Satan” is and what evil requires.
That’s in complete accord with the Qur’an and Islamic law: In response, of course, mainstream analysts will say, No, ISIS is twisting and hijacking Islam, and this is a political war. Some people are impervious to evidence.
qital/kill, slaughter, massacre. And for what reason? Solely based on what someone believes or doesn’t believe (or profess) concerning Allah and Muhammad. No other grievance mentioned or needed to justify being killed, subjugated, or compelled into a religion (Izlam).
Hate and enmity for the disbelievers has to do with what they are, not anything they do to Muslims. Any self-defense against Muslims, of course, adds to a propaganda list of grievances and pretexts for the hate & violence, but is never the cause of them. Bottom line.
“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
K.7.4 How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.
K.7.5 No plea had they, when Our terror came unto them, save that they said: Lo! We were wrongdoers.
K.8.60 Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may TERRORIZE the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.
Bukhari (4.52.220):
Allah’s Apostle said, “…I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.286: “The Prophet said, “By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya’ (army-unit) setting out in Allah’s cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Al1ah’s cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.”
Bukhari: V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been awarded VICTORY by TERROR so the treasures of the earth are mine.’”
When your Lord inspired to the angels, ‘I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.’” (Qur’an 8:12)
• Quran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.”)
• “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Quran.” Quran 8:12
Actual verse (Suran Al-Anfal [8:12] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”)
• When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ˜I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them! (Quran 8:12)
• when the Quran says “…. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.” 8:12
-“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” Qur’an 8:12.
Islamic apologists denial: DENIALS. DENIALS. DENIALS. LYING. This is the pattern in the Muslim world. All muslims will say that verse 8:12 in the Quran really did not say that! “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” So what do those words say then? The Muslims either in denial, delusional, paranoid, bi-polar or lying, cousins’ marriages ill effects. And how could anyone be in denial about what those words mean? What is their motivation?
Why are the Muslims armed and the Christians unarmed?
This is yet another reminder and example of wisdom of the Christian man , Roger Williams, who was the founder of America’s State of Rhode Island. For he wisely wrote “That religion cannot be true which need instruments of violence to uphold it.”
Anywhere in the world there are moslems; there is trouble
• Quran 8:60 “muslims must muster all weapons to Turhibunna’(terrorize) the infidels.”
• “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Quran.” Quran 8:12
Actual verse (Suran Al-Anfal [8:12] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”)
• Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror in the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged. (Quran 8:60)
• “And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may strike terror in the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know, whom Allah knows…” (Qur’an
8:60)
The unbelievers are stupid urge the Muslims to fight them.” Quran 8:65
Actual verse (Suran Al-Anfal [8:65] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem: O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand.)
• Quran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the muslims to fight them.”
Allah Stupidity Quran 8 aya 65
Learning coran says
Unfortunately for the apologist Muslim Allah gives the reason for fighting in the very next verse
Stop lying – Your Quran and Hadiths clearly say that killing Moslems is Unlawful but not non-Moslems so stop lying. Moslems are experts at lies, deception and misinformation plus playing the victim.
• Even better than 9:5 is Sura 9:29 – “”Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are ) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
The closing especially, about “pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” As if paying ANY tax is done willingly.
The CENTRAL VERSE of all parasitic Islam and of the entire Koran is K.9.29. It commands Muslims to earn a living by plundering all those who are not Muslim: ” Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
The purpose of jizya is to impoverish kafirs and humiliate them while enriching Muslims and making them feel smug about crushing and enslaving nations around the world.
9:29 demonstrates that the fight is not defensive (these people did not attack muslims). The fighting is for what the people of the book believe. Also the word used in Arabic is qatilu using the root q-t-l which means killing. So it’s not an intellectual fight (taqqiyya alert) it’s a fight that involves killing.
• who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled. (Quran 9:29)
• Fight those who do not believe in Allah, those who do not forbid what Allah and his apostle have forbidden, fight them until they pay tribute to the believers and are utterly subdued. (Sura 9:29)
QS 9:29) Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
-“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Qur’an 9:29
• Surah 9:29 Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which Allah and His Rasool (Mohamed) have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay the tribute (Jizya) readily, being humiliated.
[Notice that this verse doesn’t order Muslims to fight oppressors, but to fight all those who don’t believe in Islam and humiliate them]
Surah 9:29 Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which Allah and His Rasool (Mohamed) have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay the tribute (Jizya) readily, being humiliated.
[Notice that this verse doesn’t order Muslims to fight oppressors, but to fight all those who don’t believe in Islam and humiliate them] Stop lying – Your Quran and Hadiths clearly say that killing Moslems is Unlawful but not non-Moslems stop lying.
What does the most trusted Hadiths say?… Sahib Muslim 6981 You (Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) come kill him. Did it say fight in defence?
• Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
• The KEY VERSE of the Koran is 9.29 : “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practice not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book [i.e. Jews and Christians] — UNTIL THEY PAY the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”
The THREE MAIN ACTIONS of Muslims according to this verse are:
1) to fight to the death (q-t-l)
2) collect EXTORTION monies – In the name of compassion, We fund muslims on a daily basis. Our tax pay for: Food Allowance. Child care. Health Benefits. EBT Cards, Housing. Education. Transportation Expenses. Unemployment Benefits.
Non-Muslims paying for the upkeep of Muslims is a Qur’anic dictate: 80% of muslims in Europe live on welfare and many of them are jihadist… so the money we give them they use it to kill us. The same is happening in Australia, nothing new. welfare to a muslim is simply the Jizya tax from us infidels that WE OWE to them for the privilege of us allowing THEM to live among us!
3) HUMILIATE JEWS and CHRISTIANS. -And the arrogance of muslims to “Tell us” we’re infidels. The arrogance to “Speak for God” Islam: Demonic to the core
Koran 9.29 is the TURNING POINT verse in the Koran where Allah tells Mohammed what is to be the FOUNDATION of Islamic finance: EXTORTION.
Western people need to know this, but less than 1% do know it. It is our duty as JihadWatch readers to share KORAN 9.29 with our surrounding communities, because it better than any other verse in the Koran explains the main thrust of Islam: EXTORTION through VIOLENCE and INTIMIDATION. 57 subjugated states, and rapidly growing.
What a wonderful invention Islam is: “divinely” sanctioned, you can steal, deceive, rape, commit acts of violence and terror, and if you dedicate your evil deeds to the god of your religion, you can look forward to a reward in heaven. No wonder Islam appeals to criminals.
Once Jews and Christians rejected Mohammad’s lies he stopped trying to get them to follow his god and theocracy and switched to murder, theft, and depravities. And that has not changed in 1400 years. And even the people who worshiped the other gods of the Arab pantheon of 360 gods and Hubal (Baal), Mohammad’s god, were not safe from Mohammad’s depravities
UK jihad preacher Anjem Choudary said in February 2013:
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“We are on Jihad Seekers Allowance, We take the Jizya (protection money paid to Muslims by non-Muslims) which is ours anyway. The normal situation is to take money from the Kafir (non-Muslim), isn’t it? So this is normal situation. They give us the money. You work, give us the money. Allah Akbar, we take the money. Hopefully there is no one from the DSS (Department of Social Security) listening. Ah, but you see people will say you are not working. But the normal situation is for you to take money from the Kuffar (non-Muslim) So we take Jihad Seeker’s Allowance.”
And besides welfare, the Infidels may be robbed as well. UK jihad preacher Abu Hamza once said: “If a kafir person (non-believer) goes in a Muslim country, he is like a cow. Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law. If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he’s booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don’t do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It’s OK.”
Muslim leaders in Norway tell their people that “Islamic law gives them the right to abuse the infidels’ system as much as possible — the right, in Kheir Sajer’s words, to ‘cheat and lie to the countries that harbor them.’ They are told to view the benefits they receive as jizya — the tributes that the infidel natives of Muslim-occupied countries are obliged to pay to Muslims in order to preserve their lives.” As commanded by the Qur’an (9:29).
Muslims no doubt considered these welfare benefits to be their due, in lieu of the jizya that the Qur’an says that Muslims should collect from subjugated non-Muslim People of the Book. In Islamic law, it is the place of non-Muslims to turn over their funds to the Muslims.
The Islamic State has told Muslims to steal from Infidels and send them 20%, in accord with the Qur’an’s rules for booty
The caliph Umar said the jizya payments from the dhimmis were the source of the Muslims’ livelihood:
“Narrated Juwairiya bin Qudama at-Tamimi: We said to `Umar bin Al-Khattab, ‘O Chief of the believers! Advise us.’ He said, ‘I advise you to fulfill Allah’s Convention (made with the Dhimmis) as it is the convention of your Prophet and the source of the livelihood of your dependents (i.e. the taxes from the Dhimmis.)’” (Bukhari 4.53.388
The extent to which this scam is deployed in the UK is ignored by the government. Polygamous non-registered marriages with femail ‘spouses’ living in separate homes, as singles, rent paid by local authority. Quite possibly with male owning the houses. A point blank refusal of authorities to investigate
(Islam inculcates HATRED, SPITE, REVENGE, HARD-HEARTEDNESS, INSENSITIVITY and MORONIC ANTI-INTELLECTUAL STUPIDITY.
Learning coran says
for Moslems who still hesitate to go to war:
You can also find Bribery (of heaven) in Muhammad’s message to get what he wants…(i.e. war, money etc.)
(QS 9:38) Believers! What is amiss with you that when it is said to you: “March forth in the cause of Allah,” you cling heavily to the earth? Do you prefer the worldly life to the Hereafter? Know well that all the enjoyment of this world, in comparison with the Hereafter, is trivial.
• Quran 9:38 O you who have believed, what is [the matter] with you that, when you are told to go forth in the cause of Allah, you adhere heavily to the earth? Are you satisfied with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But what is the enjoyment of worldly life compared to the Hereafter except a [very] little.
Muhammad also Blackmails Muslims with hell if they do not go to war with him…
• “If you do not go forth (in the cause of Allah), He will punish you with a painful punishment and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at all. And Allah is over all things competent.” (Quran 9:39).
Learning coran says
(prospective) non-believer child KILLING – very sick
Sahih Muslim:019:4457 “The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or
you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to be a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside.”
This is not normal this is an atrocity. You are killing your own child. Pious Muslims do not always love their families. If any of them step out of line by falling in love or leaving Islam, they are only too happy to “Honor Kill” them.
164 verses in the Koran kill, curse, hate jihad(warfare) and the 14 Koran verses that say Muslims not be friends of dirty kafirs.
( the connotations in Arabic of the word kaffir are indeed of filth and corruption and obscenity to such a degree it might even make Hitler blush. Not a matter the UN Committee will be taking up soon, however.)
In Iran, Pakistan Egypt, Morocco and other Islamic countries Christian children are forced to study Qur’an is part of their Islamic scheme to “convert” those impressionable children to Islam. This is despicable.. a glamorised picture of Islam will be offered, but the Internet is there to verify what the religious instructor says. Those too stupid to read will be deceived in any case.There is constant pressure upon non-Muslims in Islamic countries with an eye toward compelling them to convert to Islam out of sheer exhaustion over the difficulty of living as a non-Muslim. This is also one of the motivations behind the dhimmitude system: to make life as a non-Muslim so uncomfortable that one converts to Islam simply for some breathing room.
Because that is what muslims do, kill others for their faith.
And that is what Christians do die for our faith.
All are faithfully following the dictates of their faith.
And what about Muslims themselves? Muslims were not free to choose a religion other than Islam. The punishment for Muslims who wish to leave Islam — that is, to be apostates — has always been death. That too, sounds a lot like “compulsion in religion.”
Similar comments can be found all over the most important Muslim sites on the Internet. Apparently a great many Muslims do not agree that you can “Learn Islam From Its Source” (that is, the Qur’an alone). The Sunnah of the Prophet is essential
for the practice of Islam.
Muhammad himself had no problem threatening to behead those who refused to profess Islam.
manat bint allaha says
sleep with the pigs, live like the pigs…
mortimer says
WHERE ARE ALL THE FEMINIST PROTESTORS?
Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianvi appears to be telling women not to get an education and not to work or socialize.
“The biggest threat that Islam is facing today is the disruption of the family system, for which they [west] are urging women to go out of their homes”
Lydia says
Here is reality:
Christian conference decries islamic lands as “land of infidels,” says muslims should be “forced” to accept the Bible and the cross and renounce islam!
Now we have it right! At least that would be a good thing to do!
Of course the true God does not ‘force’ anyone, we have a freewill given to us by Him.
But that statement serves them right!
And no one, and I mean NO ONE, can force anyone to do anything against their will.
It still takes the individual to comply, no matter the duress, pressure, and coercion involved.
It is still an act of your will.
And I, for one, will NEVER do anything in a direction contrary to my Christian faith, and yes, even if that kills me!
And this bit of news goes to show how intolerant MUSLIMS are!
gravenimage says
Christianity does not, or course, teach that anyone should be violently coerced to accept Christianity.
gravenimage says
of course
mortimer says
Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianvi is a leader in the Khatm-e-Nubuwwat Academy in Pakistan.
In 2010, The Independent reported that the Khatme Nubuwwat Academy was allegedly behind a campaign to kill Ahmadi Muslims in the UK.
In 2010, the website belonging to the Khatm-e-Nubuwwat Academy described Ahmadis as nothing but a gang of traitors, apostates and infidels.
Since then, the Academy has denied promoting a ‘wrong’ interpretation of Pakistan’s blasphemy law and anti-Ahmadi law.
Why was this genocidal organization not denied entrance to the United States?
gravenimage says
Thanks for the additional information, Mortimer.
Charles says
Izlam has been the pimple near the anus of “Civilization” since Satan founded the CULT long ago.
Long past time to “POP IT” squeeze out the pus and drench the entire area with a powerful disinfectant!
PRCS says
Note that–as always–no one stood up and expressed disagreement.
As many of the folks at that love fest are likely from the area–have their faces graced local television stories yet?
gravenimage says
Important point, PRCS–no Muslim claimed the speakers were “misunderstanding Islam”.
eduardo odraude says
A protest rally should be held at this mosque urging the arrest of this imam for caliing for violence.
eduardo odraude says
If Pakistan is not on the list of countries with restricted immigration to the U.S., that should now be reviewed and cut off.
DRHazard says
Just hate everybody for not being Muslim or not being the right kind of Muslim. Thtat’s the least a good Muslim should do.
Muslims can be classified according to who they hate vs. who they support. Islam has always been the religion of hate. So hating is the third most important thing a Muslim can do to please Allah. The second most important thing a Muslim can do is kill anyone you don’t consider to be a Muslim. Allah likes it when Muslims kill anyone on his shit list. The most important thing a Muslim can do is to be killed while killing non-Muslims or fake Muslims. These three orders from Allah are at the core of Islam; hate, kill, martyrdom. How can Islam called be a religion instead of just another fascist ideology? Because Muslims will get down on their knees and ask their “god” to help them kill or at least ask him to help those Muslims who are following Allah’s commands to the letter. Why isn’t every Muslim a murderer? Because most people know that killing is wrong, in other words, they are smarter than Allah. Letting somebody else do the killing for them is something they will support in private but never admit publcly. Why hide the truth? Because almost every Human Being knows, without guide books (the Quran and Hadith), that killing people for being different than you is immoral. They do not want to think of themselves as someone who believes in a god that rewards the follower with the most blood on his hands. The only way it can work is to lie, first to yourself and then to others. Lying should be one of the pillars of Islam.
Doubt is the enemy Islamists fear the most and is kept in check by claiming that Allah hates you for your doubt. He hates the doubters so much that he calls for their execution if they act on reason and common human morality and decide they can no longer believe that 2 + 2 = 5. In other words, they realize Islam came from the mind of a human being who was greedy, self centered, power hungry and generally immoral and was in no way a revelation from God.
This is the ONLY way Islam can be reformed, by seeing it for what it is and leaving it.
Eventually the only people left to praise Allah would be the psychopaths who enjoy the thrill of exterminating another human life, just like Muhammad.
Until then it will be a theater of liars, full of spectators who applaud when a cast member says things like; Islam is the only way to bring about peace in the World, or, Islam is the best religion if you’re a feminist or identify yourself as gay or bisexual, or, Muslims invented everything, or we don’t hate all Jews, just the Zionists, or, I love democracy, or, all the poverty and violence in the Muslim world is a reaction to past and present day crusades against Muslims. Believing yourself to be a victim because of your religion should also be added to the “Pillars of Islam”.
If they were following a real God he would have told them a long time ago to give it up.
Billy Chickens says
I’ll never stay at Holiday Inn ever again. BOYCOTT HOLIDAY INN!!!!
Enrique says
Let’s set the record straight. The Catholic Church can not teach error. Therefore, it can not teach that Muslins should continue with the Koran. Therefore, Francis (who has proclaimed as much) can not be the pope, that is, the Vicar of Christ. The Catholic Church has never recognized Islam or any other religion as a true religion, although modernists who claim to be Catholics do, either because they are apostates, heretics or because of culpable or inculpable ignorance. The Catholic Church teaches that there is no eternal salvation outside of the Catholic Church, except, possibly, for those who are inculpably ignorant and have no other mortal sins. (A mortal sin is a grave offense against God, delibertately done, while knowing it’s a grave offense.)
gravenimage says
The Catholic Church can teach error. The Pope is only supposed to be infallible on matters of Christian theology.
Enrique says
It sounds like you are trying to say that a pope can mislead in some matters, for example with regard tp Islam or other religions. But that’s not possible for a pope.
For the Catholic Church is divine andf it correctly teaches that there is no other path to salvation except as noted in my first comment. It’s Magisterium can not mislead anyone on anything. The Catholic Church, and no other, is founded by God to lead all humans to salvation. A pope, since he’s Vicar of Christ, of God Himself, can not mislead anyone. He is protected by the Holy Spirit who prevents it. That does not mean a pope knows everything about everything or that he can not sin. He can sin (that’s for sure), but in his teachings, he can not lead anyone astray.
Enrique says
Corrections: 1. “…Its Magisterium…”. 2. “…and it correctly teaches…”
gravenimage says
Enrique, I’m saying that according to Catholicism a pontiff may be in error in matters other than Catholic doctrine, where he is supposed to be infallible.
I am not Catholic myself;l just noting what Catholicism says.
Enrique says
The quote below from the Catholic Encyclopedia clarifies how far Church and Papal infallibility extend:
“In the Vatican definition infallibility (whether of the Church at large or of the pope) is affirmed only in regard to doctrines of faith or morals; but within the province of faith and morals its scope is not limited to doctrines that have been formally revealed….there must also be indirect and secondary objects to which infallibility extends, namely, doctrines and facts which, although they cannot strictly speaking be said to be revealed, are nevertheless so intimately connected with revealed truths that, were one free to deny the former, he would logically deny the latter and thus defeat the primary purpose for which infallibility was promised by Christ to His Church.”
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm
Enrique says
You wrote: “Enrique, I’m saying that according to Catholicism a pontiff may be in error in matters other than Catholic doctrine, where he is supposed to be infallible.”
Gravenimage, That’s not what the Catholic Chuirch teaches. But if you insist that it is, please provide the reference. on which you base your contention.
Any proposal, regardless of its origin, that relates to the Catholic faith fallls within the scope of the Church’s infallibility. It doesn’t have to be directly made by the Church. It could be a false teaching made by another religion (e.g. Islam’s denial of divinely revealed truths such as the Incarnation).
The Church has explicitly condemned the proposition made by Francis and other post Vatican II popes that other religions are means of salvation. See paragraps 15 to 18 in “The Syllabus Of Errors” (1862) by Pope Pius IX . But Francis has claimed that they are means to salvation. Therefore Francis has contradicted Church teaching. Therefore he cannot be the pope.
gravenimage says
Enrique, here is the Catholic Church itself on the subject of papal infallibility:
https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility
Enrique says
Hi gravenimage,The website you referenced in your respoinse (Catholic.com) is not “the Catholic Church itself.” It’s a website run by lay people in communion with the-**Second** Vatican Council’s teachings, which it references. (Said council, by its own admission, unlike the Church, was not infalllible.)
The Catholic Church, as I explained in my first post, was infiltrated by modernist heretics who have claimed to govern it since that infamous council contradicted (subtly at times) previous Church teaching. But, logically, to be a Catholic, one must profess the true faith as the Catholic Church taught before that council. I’m not infallible but that is my position.
The Catholic Church believes itself to be, and is, the only Church of God. It officially defines its infallibility (which it has always had, being founded by God) in the constitution it promulgated in its *First* Vatican Council. You can see it here: http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum20.htm
I read you aren’t a Catholic, so I understand this might all be new to you. And it’s very confusing for all who are trying to be faithful Catholics.
I’m a Roman Catholic. What about you?
Tama says
Seems that a Ahmadi seminar is ahead in my city
https://i.imgur.com/ZsZyEbp.jpg
https://lajnaevents.weebly.com
“The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Women’s Auxiliary is organizing their annual Interfaith Symposium. An engaging opportunity to promote mutual understanding, interfaith respect, harmony, inclusiveness and diversity among all people.
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gravenimage says
More Taqiyya.
tgusa says
To paraphrase my President, get those sob’s out of our country now!
Ah Clem says
There’s another article about this same event in The Huffington Post by an Ahmadi named Kashif Chaudhry who went there and was discovered to be an Ahmadi by some of the people running it (I guess because Kashif is fairly well known). The article is surprisingly good considering it’s from the PuffPost.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/at-an-extremist-rally-near-nations-capital-armed_us_5a10e147e4b0e6450602ebbb
Infidel says
This is nothing but BLOODY SEDITION going on right under Ur nose… Americans.. CURB IT NOW!! or U’ll repent like we Hindus are doing…
gravenimage says
Virginia: Islamic conference decries US as “land of infidels,” says Americans should be “forced” to accept Qur’an
“They are ignorant and there is no need for dialogue with them, God has given them two options, one is the holy book and one is the stick [Force] and if one does not accept the holy book they have to be forced.”
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In other words, our only “choices” are voluntarily submitting to Islam or being forced to submit to Islam…
This is, indeed, mainstream Islam.
More:
Pakistan born Islamic cleric Rafiq Khan defined America as “The land of Infidels” at a fundraiser for his Islamic charity this Saturday.
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This charity is not apt to be aiding any “filthy Infidels”. In fact, it is unlikely to be a charity in the sense we mean it at all. Zakat–often mistranslated as “charity” in the West–is more apt to fund violent Jihad than it is hospitals or orphanages.
More:
We went undercover to report on the day-long event which was organized by two U.S. registered charities, Idara Dawat-O-Irshad and Khatme Nubuwwat Center, both of which enjoy IRS tax-exempt status.
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Is anyone investigating these “charities” for terror ties?
Kudos to these brave investigators for their research!
More:
The registration desk which was manned by teenagers displayed flyers and posters denouncing the founder of the moderate Ahmadiyya Islamic sect. An exhibition stall lined with posters urged Muslim voters to not vote for “non-Muslim candidates”. The event particularly targeted the Ahmadis who are considered heretic by the majority of mainstream Muslims as they believe in another Prophet after Prophet Muhammad and have a different understanding of Jihad. Many of the conference speakers accused the Ahmadis of being ‘Infidels’ and criticized them for having ‘abolished Jihad’.
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Even though the Ahmadis are violently persecuted by orthodox Muslims, they are still intent on carrying water for Islam.
More:
The event’s keynote speaker was Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianvi, a visiting Islamic cleric from Pakistan. In a 2016 piece, Ludhianvi who serves as the editor of monthly Millia magazine claimed that America was behind the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
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Why is this dishonest thug allowed into the US?
More:
He also urged American Muslim Lawyers to use the American Justice system to restrict the religious freedom of Ahmadis…
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He hates the “filthy Infidels”, but wants us to aid Muslims in enforcing oppressive Shari’ah law.
More:
“The biggest threat that Islam is facing today is the disruption of the family system, for which they [west] are urging women to go out of their homes”
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Note that the repulsive Muslim “family system” is threatened if women have the freedom to so much as go outside. *Ugh*.
Last year in his magazine, Ludhainvi issued a Fatwa (decree) stating that “The use of cellphone by women in public places was against Islam” and so was wearing “High heel shoes”
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Women are not to be allowed to speak with anyone not under their Mehram’s (owners) aegis, nor should they be allowed to dress up where any man who had not paid for the privilege might possibly see them.
More:
Another Islamic cleric, Usman Ahsan, a graduate of Dar-ul-Uloom, a Canadian Islamic seminary declared that claiming to be a Prophet after Muhammad was “enough to wage war” against them.
“those who claimed prophethood after Prophet Muhammad were not only given death sentences by were actually killed”
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Taqiyya artists often claim that this only applies to those who are literally waging war against Islam, in the physical sense. This gives the lie to that. All sorts of things are seen as “waging war against Islam”, including having a prophet after Muhammed (this is another reference to the hated Ahmadis) or even just not submitting to Islam.
And the ultimate penalty for not submitting the Islam in every way is death.
More:
Similar comments were made by Mufti Qareeb ur Rehman, an American Imam who graduated from Pakistan’s Jamia Binoria Karachi, an Islamic seminary with ties to extremist groups. Rehman currently serves as an Imam at the Manassas Muslim Association.
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How may more of these thugs are serving as Imams at Mosques or heading Muslim associations. All too many…
More:
Another Jamia Binoria graduate, Imam Shazad Hussain of Springfield’s ‘Noor Mosque’ claimed that the minority Ahmadis conspired with the British to stop Muslims from ‘fighting Jihad and committing bloodshed’.
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This is the main reason pious Muslims hate the Ahmadi–they reject violent Jihad, and imply that this is true of orthodox Muslims, as well.
But even they do not reject the savagery of brutal Shari’ah, which they still want to see imposed on everyone.
All very disturbing–and these thugs are within our gates.
Ewanda says
I also would like to extend my thank you’s to “Learning coran”. It is the accumulation of a ton of facts to be able to be printed off and handed to those who are just too resistant to grab the Koran to get informed. This is much more to the point, although someone should put out a “Woman’s Koran” that only has the specific Koranic passages pertaining directly to women’s plight under Islam. Also Include points from the Hadiths and Sira. Then maybe Free women would jealously protect the progress that they have made and hand out that literature to their sisters who hold up signs that may as well say “Jihadis Welcome”.
JawsV says
If Islam hadn’t appeared the Arabian pagans would have become Jews or Christians.
Islam totally wrecked the Middle East.
gravenimage says
Yes, it did, Jaws–and it wants to destroy the West now, as well.
IanB says
Will the Holiday Inn of Springfield, Virginia now host a conference organised by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller to counter this vile event? No, of course not, to do so would be considered “Islamophobic” and insulting to Muslims. Holiday Inn staff would have to be provided with “safe spaces” to protect them from “far-right hate”.
Eric says
We must not allow foreign born Muslims in the USA.
Eric
Anne Smith says
Two questions for Americans.
1. Why does America need to import Pakistanis and other Muslims?
2. Why does no-one from the security services monitor what is being taught in the mosques and gatherings such as the one described above.
I suppose these questions could equally apply to England, but under Sharia May there is no chance.
When I lived in American in the 1960’s it was quite difficult to get in and even more so to get a “green card”.
I cannot understand why things have apparently changed so much.
gravenimage says
Things *have* changed here. They are not as bad as in Britain, but still pretty dire. President Trump is being blocked at every turn over his limited and temporary ban on allowing Muslims from terror states to flood into the country.
John Forbes says
DOUGLAS MURRAY & THE DECEASED HITCHINS BOTH STATED THAT THIS IDEOLOGY HAS TO BE FACED OR THERE IS AVERY GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU WILL BE SUBJUGATED & LOSE YOUR DEMOCRACY.
MURRAY HAS STATED REPEATEDLY- “THESE PEOPLE ARE SERIOUS” & IT IS HIGH TIME WE WERE TO!
THE MUSLIMS HAVE PRINTED WHY THEY ATTACK & IT IS MADE VERY CLEAR! WE HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE NON BELIEVERS BECAUSE YOU ALLOW THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM – DRINKING, SEX OUT OF MARRIAGE, HOMOSEXUALITY. APOSTASY & CRITICISM OF BOTH ISLAM & THE PROPHET!
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD HAVE ALSO PRINTED & PUBLISHED AN AGENDA TO ATTACK THE WEST FROM WITHIN & THEY ARE BUSY DOING EXACTLY THAT WHILE OUR COWARDS IN POWER “HOPE ” THIS IS NOT SO!
WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE & WE HAVE TO DITCH THE COWARDS & DENIERS IN CHARGE & FAST !!
FYI says
Muslims should be forced…to learn and obey God’s Commandments.
Since allah in his koran tells muslims they are free to break them and since the appalling example of the “prophet” muhammed is promoted as being someone to emulate, muslims should be confronted by that fact that their god is one of hate and disobedience to God’s laws. muhammed is not an example that any decent morally good,human being should ever follow.
Take any command of God in His original Commandments and you will see that allah himself in his koran does not conform to them and tells muslims they are free to break or twist them.
No matter what you read in the Bible there is an understanding that there is a higher law which comes first:His Commandments.
This is not the case in islam or in the koran.
muslims feel entitled to break God’s Laws because the koran says you can.That is one reason why idiots convert to islam:they think they can get away it.
In fact you cannot do that at all.You are not free to break or twist God’s Commandment to suit yourself.That is called..Sin.
Except you can in islam:allah is ok with murder,adultery(“what your right hand possesses”),lying to promote islam,stealing from non-muslims etc.
Perhaps the koran should have a subtitle to it:-
“.. ..the mystery of the missing Two Chief Commandments..” because nowhere in islam are these most essential of God’s Commands found.They are found in both Judaism and in Christianity.The absence of these in islam explains why muslims feel entitled to hate.
The muslims need to know that their Commandment of God-violating koran doesn’t come from the God of Moses,their mass-murdering ,self-appointed “prophet” was no true prophet of God,and their antichristian,antiJewish,god of hate is not the same as the God of Moses(the Biblical or true God)
Why?
Because dear muslims,..Since “the angel jibreel is the enemy of the Jews”
{Sahih Al Bukhari vol 4 bk 60 no 3329}that means.
1.he is the enemy of the God of Moses
2.he cannot belong to the God of Moses but must belong to the adversary of the God of Moses.
3 he cannot even be a genuine angel of God because he is defined as being “the enemy of the Jews
4 who does jibreel “the enemy of the Jews” belong to?allah
No true prophet of God could possibly be a mass-murderer or a serial adulterer.
What allah SHOULD BE TELLING you is that..
1.You must obey His Original Commandments.
2.those Chief commandments(…missing in islam!..)are very important
3.All True prophets of God would tell you the same thing.All true prophets would be morally good people in total obedience to God’s Laws.
can you say that about muhammed??
Politicianphobia says
“We need not rationalize Islam to them, need not appease their desires and distorted concepts. WE WILL BE EXTREMELY OUTSPOKEN WITH THEM. The ignorance in which you are living makes you impure, and God wants to purify you, the customs which you follow are defiling, and God wants to cleanse you, the life you are living is low, and God wants to uplift you” “No political system or material power should put hindrances in the way of preaching Islam. It should leave every individual free to accept or reject it, and if someone wants to accept it, it should not prevent him or fight against him. If someone does this, then it is the duty of Islam to fight him until he is killed or until he declares submission”. Close the mosques, get rid of the Muslim Brotherhood, and start a worldwide deportation or die.
Linnte says
Over my dead body! My family and I are prepared! Keep ’em locked and loaded!
762x51FMJ says
Islam was born in captivity because only a person who is a slave could accept it.
Through Islam prisoners are promised they can breech the bars of the prison, and reverse them, wrapping the bars around the entire planet to imprison and enslave everyone else. If not physically then in a prison built of stupidity and ignorance.
762x51FMJ says
And intolerance.
Learning coran says
72 Virgins , 28 Boys and 80,000 servants
All these pervert Qur’anic verses are the Creation of the pervert mind of the prophet of Islam. A MAN IS AS HE THINKS.Period
It seems then that this promise of sensual happiness and sexual bliss in paradise, not only is the motivator for the Islamic terrorists but it may even be a motivator for our secular evolutionists to join the rank of Islam.
UGLIEST: (beside 65:4 for little girls), ‘… will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.’ http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=52&verse=24
Muslims are motivated to terrorism because the Quran tells them that fighting non-believers is a duty of every Muslim and the only way to be certain of going to heaven to enjoy untold sensual pleasures is to die fighting in the cause of Allah.
If they can make it to heaven, one of the rewards all Muslims are promised is 72 virgins. The number of virgins is not specified in Quran, it comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser known Hadith. (“Hadith” is an Arabic word meaning traditions. After Muhammad’s death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were assembled. These collections are called Hadith and form the second most authoritative document is Islam, right after the Quran.)
VIRGINS (Houris):
Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his “high” opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with ‘Houris’ (beautiful virgins). The poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get anything. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.
The specific Hadith in which the number of virgins is specified is Hadith Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunah (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah, chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise. The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Quranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman:
“The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: ‘The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen].”
(QURAN 37:40-4 : “In the Gardens of Paradise, Facing one another on thrones, Round them will be passed a cup of pure wine; White, delicious to the drinkers, Neither they will have any kind of hurt, abdominal pain, headache, or sin, nor will they suffer intoxication from it. And with them will be chaste females, restraining their glances, with wide and beautiful eyes.”
(QURAN 44:51-55): “Verily! The righteous will be in Paradise. Among Gardens and Springs; Dressed in fine silk and also in thick silk, facing each other, and We shall marry them to Houris with wide, lovely eyes.”
(QURAN 52: 17-20): “Verily, for those who fear Allah there will be Gardens in Paradise, filled with Delight. Enjoying in that which their Lord has bestowed on them, and the fact that their Lord saved them from the torment of the blazing Fire. The Lord will say: ‘Eat and drink with happiness because of what you used to do’. They will recline with ease on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Houris with wide lovely eyes.”
(QURAN 55:54-59): “Reclining upon the couches lined with silk brocade, and the fruits of the Gardens will be near at hand. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Wherein will be those houris, restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? In beauty they are like rubies and coral. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny?”
(QURAN 55:70-77): “Therein gardens will be fair wives good and beautiful; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Houris restrained in pavilions; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Whom no man has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny?”
(QURAN 56:37-40): “…We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand….”
(QURAN 78:31-34): “As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high-bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.”
Two points need to be noted. First, there is no mention anywhere in the Quran of the actual number of virgins available in paradise, and second, the dark-eyed damsels are available for all Muslims, not just martyrs. It is in the Islamic Traditions that we find the 72 virgins in heaven specified: in a Hadith (Islamic Tradition) collected by Al-Tirmidhi (died 892 AD) in the Book of Sunan (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah [Prophet Muhammad], chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise, (Hadith 2687). The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Quranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: “The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: ‘The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]’.”
An Hamas spokesman correctly uses the word martyr (shahid) and not suicide bomber, since those who blow themselves up almost daily in Israel and those who died on September 11 were dying in the noblest of all causes, Jihad, which is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Quran and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined for the purpose of advancing Islam. While suicide is forbidden, martyrdom is everywhere praised, welcomed, and urged: “By the Being in Whose Hand is my life, I love that I should be killed in the way of Allah; then I should be brought back to life and be killed again in His way…”; “The Prophet said, ‘Nobody who enters Paradise will ever like to return to this world even if he were offered everything, except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed 10 times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him’.” [Sahih Muslim, chapters 781, 782, The Merit of Jihad and the Merit of Martyrdom.]
Learning coran says
Eternal erection and virginity
Modern apologists of Islam try to downplay the evident materialism and sexual implications of such descriptions, but, as the Encyclopaedia of Islam says, even orthodox Muslim theologians such as al Ghazali (died 1111 AD) and Al-Ash’ari (died 935 AD) have “admitted sensual pleasures into paradise”. The sensual pleasures are graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti (died 1505 AD), Quranic commentator and polymath. He wrote: “Each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetising vaginas.”
pre-pubescent BOYS.
Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get “rewarded” by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.
Sodomy is quite common in the Muslim countries because they keep their women locked up indoors .Then there is also shortage of females when they marry more than one and up to four .Hence ,Muslim men have no choice and it is also a status symbol to have a boy for sex beside the number of wives. They believe: NO JOY WITHOUT A BOY which to them is a sweet dish after the main course .Thanks to the holy prophet who made Islam so lovely and delightful in this world and the next.
In Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Islamic world, this kind of behavior is broadly tolerated. Women are so devalued, men look to other men and boys for sexual pleasure. Also, the Qur’an promises not just virgins to the blessed, but boys like “scattered pearls”:
(QURAN 52:24): “And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls.”
(QURAN 56:17): “They will be served by immortal boys.”
Qur’an 56:11-18 : “Those are the ones brought near in the Gardens of Pleasure, a company of the former peoples and a few of the later peoples, on thrones woven, reclining on them, facing each other. There will circulate among them young boys made eternal with vessels, pitchers and a cup from a flowing spring.”
(QURAN 76:19): “And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls.”
Qur’an 76:17-20 : “And they will be given to drink a cup whose mixture is of ginger, a fountain within Paradise named Salsabeel. There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them scattered pearls. And when you look there, you will see pleasure and great dominion.”
It is common in Arabic poetry to glorify homosexuality, take their famous poet Abu Nuwas:
O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it–
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils
An “old Arab proverb” ……..
“For sex, a woman.”
“For pleasure, a young boy.”
“For ecstasy, a melon.”
…… or a passing donkey?
The koran endorses every sin and that is their form of ‘holiness’ and ‘entitlement’. the Koran elevates sin and sinners above the righteous because it’s the worship of Satan. Their idea of heaven is the carnal pit of hell.
Sick.There is no way in hell that these savages can assimilate to western culture. I wish there would be a PERMANENT BAN on anyone who lives by the Quran and the teachings of Mohamed. Very sick society and a disgrace to humankind. Actually it’s a disgrace to the animal kingdom as we
God you have to wonder at a religion that is JUST SO sexually obsessed on every level, to every degree.
How anyone can read the Quran, the Hadith – any of the Islamic ‘literature’ and convince themselves that this religion is heaven sent, is beyond me?
Raping little boys. Raping women and little girls. Eternal sex slaves and eternal virgins. Eternal servitude, for others to worship and prostrate themselves at your hairy feet, while you lounge back on thrones, guzzling milk and honey and have your tiny little penis played with all day every day.
What kind of Heaven is that? What kind of filthy pig aspires to this? What kind of unutterably stupid man or woman is plain IDIOTIC enough to believe in this waffle?
It just cannot be more obvious that Mohammed created this crapfest of a religion so he could gain power, wealth and sex. Looooooots of sex. And in order to get others to do his bidding – and die fighting for him – he had to promise them the most outlandishly exciting things that he knew would please their innermost desires.
Its so obvious that its embarrassing to realize that there are 1.6 billion dipshits on this planet today, who actually call themselves Muslim. They’re all to a one, not safe to operate a potato peeler unsupervised. (Sarah)
abad says
The original article:
http://www.newsweek.com/radical-islam-pakistan-muslims-jihad-washington-infidels-ahmadi-719537?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=yahoo_news&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo
What President Trump needs to do is round up all of these Moslems in the United States, deport them all to Syria and let them all kill each other off.
Nobody and I do mean NOBODY, cares if Moslems kill other Moslems.
And I do NOT want any of these Moslems in my country at all.
simpleton1 says
Muslims will kill there own, if they do not follow Mohammad’s practices.
Many of the mosques consider that Amadiyys as heretics.
Claiming to be a peaceful muslim
No more fanatical than Mohammad ? ? himself as –
Seems like the advice of Mohammad to “unsuspecting” muslims is to be taken seriously ! !
One ignores Mohammad’s “teachings” at their peril even though Mohammad did not do this, he just told them it is a good idea..
Mohammad did even worse things to “unbelievers”
simpleton1 says
Sorry I missed the point in the first link
“The preacher was on trial for calling for the burning of Muslims who are not devout enough in their worship”.
The good news, the Swiss gave him a “suspended prison sentence. It also ordered the 25-year-old Ethiopian to be deported and banned from re-entering Switzerland for 15 years”.
Chris Falter says
This article has a math problem. There are 3.3 Million Muslims in the US. And this conference saw….a little over a hundred?
The day before this conference (Friday the 19th), you could have walked into literally thousands of mosques in the US and found, if you bothered to ask, unanimous and vehement disagreement with Ludhainvi’s views.
Yes, we need to keep an eye on the tiny but radical Islamist fringe for security reasons. At the same time, it is clear from the comments in this thread that this article leaves the impression that the tiny fringe accurately represents 3.3 million American Muslims. This is quite unfortunate and quite inaccurate.
I have many Muslim friends. I love to proclaim the good news of Jesus the Messiah to them. I love them–I love them enough to listen to their views and not misrepresent them.
Thanks for listening, everyone!
Linnte says
Chris, it isn’t MUSLIMS we are lumping into one category. It’s ISLAM that is the problem, because Qur’an commands killing of non believers. And right now, Muslims ARE a minority. But you need to understand that when (and history and Qur’an prove this my statement) the population of Muslims reaches closer to 5% of the population, Islam gets more demanding. Have you seen the video by David Wood on “The Three Stages Of Jihad”? It may behove you to watch it.
Right now, as Muslims are a minority, they are allowed, and TOLD to be our friends. I know you love and care for yours. But Qur’an says they cannot be our friend unless they are the minority-its for dawah and to save their ability to have freedom of religion.
Remember, ISLAM IS NOT JUST A RELIGION. It is 14% religion and the rest is a Governmental System -A political entity called the Umma. The goal of Islam is world domination. Yes, even your friends want Islam to be the world’s religion. Watch David Wood and his video. It may help you understand the mindset of Western Muslims better. Thanks for being a witness for Jesus to your friends.
And don’t forget to have a good hard look at every country where Islam is becoming a Majority. Turkey was a Christian nation, just a little over 100 years ago!