A mentally ill drug addict. With a criminal history. Of course. How could this possibly be terrorism? Notice, however, buried deep in this report, a most interesting detail: “Second man arrested at the scene was filing [sic] the incident and had a bag containing knives.” He wasn’t filing, he was filming. What kind of mentally ill drug addict decides to drive a car into pedestrians and gets a buddy to fill a bag with knives and come down and film the act? Clearly the filming was for jihad video; we have seen other jihad terrorists, such as Mohamed Merah, who massacred people at a Jewish school in France a few years ago, film their acts so that jihadis can enjoy the bloodshed and recruit others to the cause. If Australian authorities think this wasn’t terrorism, but just more of the global outbreak of mental illness, they’re whistling in the dark.
Last June, the Islamic State published a poster depicting an SUV driving over a heap of skulls and bearing the legend “Run Over Them Without Mercy.”
And the Islamic State issued this call in September 2014:
So O muwahhid, do not let this battle pass you by wherever you may be. You must strike the soldiers, patrons, and troops of the tawaghit. Strike their police, security, and intelligence members, as well as their treacherous agents. Destroy their beds. Embitter their lives for them and busy them with themselves. If you can kill a disbelieving American or European — especially the spiteful and filthy French — or an Australian, or a Canadian, or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war, including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against the Islamic State, then rely upon Allah, and kill him in any manner or way however it may be….If you are not able to find an IED or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman, or any of their allies. Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him, or poison him….
“LIVE: Melbourne incident the act of mentally ill drug addict,” by Chip Le Grand,Tessa Akerman, Samantha Hutchinson, Paul Maley, and Paul Johnson, The Australian, December 21, 2017:
19 people were injured and several hospitalised including a small child when a driver with a history of drug use and mental issues mowed them down on Flinders St, in melbourne’s [sic] CBD. Police have suggested that terrorism was not at play.
Nineteen people have been taken to hospital following a deliberate attack on a Melbourne intersection in which a rogue driver ran a red light and mowed down pedestrians.
Victoria Police revealed that fifteen of the victims are in a stable condition, and another four are in a critical condition.
Among those hospitalised are the 32-year-old driver of the car used in the attack and the off-duty police officer who arrested him.
The man who mowed down and injured 19 pedestrians in what police described as a ‘deliberate act’, in Melbourne’s CBD, at the intersection of Flinders and Elizabeth streets is believed to be a drug addict with a history of mental health problems.
The Australian understands the attack, which occurred at 4.41pm in the heart of downtown Melbourne, is not being treated as terrorism.
Rather, the driver is thought to be a mentally ill man with a history of addiction to the drug ice.
The driver is receiving treatment for injuries he sustained when police dragged him from the car and handcuffed him in the wake of the pre-Christmas attack.
The off-duty sergeant sustained hand and shoulder injuries when he jumped in to restrain the driver after his car crashed into a tram stop. Acting Commissioner Shane Patton described him as a hero.
Police have ruled out terror as a motive, but have said they will continue to work with counter terrorism throughout the investigation.
“We don’t have at this time any evidence or intelligence to indicate a connection with terrorism,” Acting Commissioner Shane Patton said. “Having said that we continue to support this investigation with the counter terror command.”
Mr Patton said a second man who was arrested at the scene is not believed to be connected with the car attack.
He said the second man had come under suspicion because he was filming the incident and was later found to have three knives in a bag.
Police said it was likely he would be exonerated.
The driver of the car was known to police, who said that he had a history of mental health issues and was on a mental health plan and had drug issues.
The driver also has historical assault charges from 2010 and more recent driving offences to his name, but was not on bail or under any current court order.
Mr Patton said the driver was an Australian citizen of Afghan descent and was driving a car owned by a family member.
Premier Daniel Andrews called the attack, which occurred at peak hour at one of the city’s busiest intersections, as an act of “evil and an act of cowardice”
“We’ve seen an horrific act, an act of cowardice perpetrated against innocent bystanders,” Mr Andrews said.
The man is believed to have been alone in his car when the incident occurred and police said they had seized no weapons from the vehicle but were investigating the possiblity that he was driving while impaired.
* There weren’t any weapons identified when he was taken from the vehicle, police say
* Police cannot confirm if the man driving the vehicle was an Afghan refugee or born in Australia.
* There was one sole person in the car and that was the offender who is in custosy. [sic]
* A second person had a bag with three knives and at this stage Vic police do not believe he was connected with the incident
* The driver is 32 years of age and had mionor [sic] interactions with Vic police over driving offences and a minor assault in 2010.
* Police confirm they are investigating impairment in relation to the offenders driving and are still following through with those.
* Police only became aware of this male as a result of his conduct in driving and running down the pedestrians
* The car was not stolen but registered to a family member.
* polcie [sic] say it is not apt to describe it as a ‘lone wolf’ incident.
“This is an act of evil and an act of cowardice and one I am sure which will be condemned by all Victorians,” Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews.
* Police say driver has a history of drug use and mental health issues.
* Police believe it is a deliberate act
* Second man arrested at the scene was filing [sic] the incident and had a bag containing knives
* “At this time we don’t have any evidence or intelligence eto [sic] establish a connection with terrorism.”
* The driver of the vehicle, a 32-year-old man, was arrested by an off-duty male police officer shortly after followed by general duties police and members from the Critical Incident Response Team (CIRT).
* The officer sustained shoulder and hand injuries during the arrest and has been conveyed to hospital.
* The driver has been taken to hospital under police guard.
* The second person arrested, a 24-year-old man, was arrested by CIRT.
* It’s now believed he had no links to the incident, however he is still assisting police with enquiries.
* Nineteen pedestrians were injured during the incident and conveyed to hospital.
* Two people were also treated for non-collision related injuries.
* At this time police believe this is a deliberate act, however it is only early in the investigation.
A vehicle attack on a busy pedestrian crossing in Melbourne’s Flinders Street which left 19 people in hospital was the work of a mentally ill drug addict, police believe.
The Australian understands the attack, which occurred at 4.41pm in the heart of downtown Melbourne, is not being treated as terrorism.
Rather, the driver is thought to be a mentally ill man with a history of addiction to the drug ice.
It is understood he has no known links to extremism and is not known to counter-terrorism authorities.
A second man pictured arrested at the scene was unconnected to the attack, The Australian has been told.
Police have said publicly the attack was deliberate but that the driver’s motive remained unknown….
Angry Aussie says
There was a young child seriously injured. The little one has since passed away.
It is time to deport and bulldoze.
j_not_a says
Deport all extended family members, and also- VERY IMPORTANTLY – seize ALL assets. The amount of taxpayer’s money spent on all these wastes of skin is staggering.
JMB says
(From Australia) To “I-not”; Well said, this exactly the way this should be dealt with. Unfortunately, the reality will be that the criminal terrorists responsible for this terrible crime against innocent civilians, including children will be held at taxpayer expense in a mental institution while most of his family will remain on welfare and will spend much of their time complaining that Australia is a terrible Islamophobic nation. As for us long suffering Aussies, we are not allowed to say anything about this because of our draconian hate speech and other human rights laws.
John Vieira says
Time to start checking how some politicians in the ‘west’ amassed millions of $$$…possibly Petro$ related??? Wonder if the feeble minded greedy idiots realize that said $$$ will be worthless if “they” succeed in their attempt to usher in the next Dark Age as they did the previous one…and check who has the most investment in mainstream media…might be surprising…
Michael says
I am ashamed of our leaders and authourities and have zero repect for them the public are just colaterol damage to their muticultural fantasy.The victims of Islamic terror should mount a massive class action against the authorities and the religion worldwide.
Kolsat says
I totally agree. Before this incident who supported him in his drug habit? Either deport him with his Afghani supporters or hang him. The hanging penalty should be reinstated for terrorists who kill or maim innocents.
PaulM says
The Aussie cops actually have the unmitigated gall and blatant stupidity to say that the motive is unknown. Well misery loves company, and I guess we shouldn’t wonder why the Ausis cops should not be as willfully stuck in denial like the rest of the Western World. Bye Australia, and welcome to the slag heap of degeneracy.
JMB says
(From Australia) It should be noted that the present State Government in Victoria is very left wing, almost to the point of being Marxist. I am sure the cops (and judiciary) have been instructed to go very easy on Muslims.
Bronson says
Yes, and blame the mentally ill, yet again. Never blame Islam.
Anon says
Nobody seems to be worried about further stigmatizing the genuinely mentally ill. They were the first to be sent to the gas chamber by Hitler.
Col says
……no this is what you reap…………..Australia, the land of the Fair go……gone ………………. who, in their right mind, would have guessed that we would seriously be reading, ‘marxist..except’ , out of a history book, or a ratbag, fringe group might be yelling this word………if you remember we had very similar tactics during (and still post) the ‘equality’ farce…… bullying, shout down your oponents etc…….. all Leftists…!,,,,
Karen says
Bronson, and Anon, these are very good observations.
christina says
The perpetrator said, quite clearly, that his motive was retaliation “for the way Muslims have been treated around the world”
The authorities said they found “no evidence of extremism”
Sounds a tad extremist to me.
Also, one mental health expert did not jump on the bandwagon of calling for “more funds for mental illness”. When interviewed, he said that genuinely mentally ill people would be highly UNLIKELY to commit such an act, in fact they would be much more likely to be victims.
His implication was that the motivation lay somewhere else.
Interestingly, that interview has been buried.
No surprise!
(does anyone remember his name??)
No su
Eva Angel says
Please do not spread inaccurate information on Robert’s website. As of this morning, the latest update reports the child in a serious but stable condition. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/pedestrians-hit-in-melbourne-cbd/news-story/0793771ddb8f4d79ec660e0d1c4735d5
Michael says
Some good news i hope she recovers fully.
Stuart Cameron says
Australia has to act . Mental health my arse
shoehorn says
Sure. He’s from the Religion of Mental Health Issues.
Col says
Correct
Save Europe says
I’m with you. Genuine support from a Limey in the UK. My genuine best regards.
gravenimage says
There are now four deaths, including this child:
“Fourth person dies after car hit pedestrians in Melbourne”
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/fourth-person-dies-after-car-hit-pedestrians-in-melbourne
God, I hate Islam.
StellaSaidSo says
This news report relates to the January 2017 attack (in which 6 people died), not yesterday’s attack.
tonylang says
It seems to me that people use the word Islam when they should use the word criminal psychopath
Peggy says
I agree but the only way we can even think about this is if we start being smart when we vote.
Stop giving our votes to Labor or Liberal. They are both the same.
Start supporting patriots like Cory Bernardi.
Karen says
Heartbreaking and tragic. We lose this innocent child and all the potential of that life, but are saddled with this vile creep for the rest of his pointless life.
Kasey says
The Flinders Street tragic incident today seems to be clearly Islamically inspired. If it has been, for Australia’s sake, don’t let what has happened similarily in January, get white-washed out of public attention for another 11 months from revealing the real truth of the situation and the motivation behind it.
Maybe also,the perpetrators hoped the final resultant collision with the cement terminus block would take them both to martyrdom? It seems another member may have been filming it all on his phone.
Meanwhile, after almost 12 months of delay in Australia, the Melbourne driver of the Bourke Street car massacre,( “which has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism”), as an uninformed comment then by a leading Victorian cop) immediately afterwards, faced court this week on 6 murder charges. (yet not a hint of a word on any link to terrorism)
The media report on this seems intent on ignoring the fact that he was a convert to Islam in the months preceding that rampage. (as quoted by a close friend in one TV interview)
Whatever the effect of his intense indoctrination to Islam was, the fact that he has pleaded “not guilty” to all charges, indicates several things.
His lawyers probably will now claim insanity as his major defence. But if that indoctrination produced a form of “Islamic insanity”, (as it seems to do in many others),
that will have to be proven first by competent psychiatrists or that he was insane before his conversion.
So far, media reports on his plea have made no mention of his mental state or his conversion to Islam, or his behavior before or during the incident or in the weeks prior to it.
One could well speculate that “with a wink and a nod” from higher authorities, the media and justice system will sanitize all reference to his links to Islam out of the picture.
They certainly don’t want this incident to be seen as the very first devastating Islamic terrorist attack on Australian soil they couldn’t detect and stop.
The many months’ delay in starting this trial has been the first official step in denying justice to all the victims, esp. at Christmas time,for it to be out of the public’s
attention and mind and as part of the official appeasement process which runs continually here.
When will all Western authorities wake up to the fact that continued appeasement of Islam only encourages for Islam to persist in its current lethal ideological state.
Confrontation of that persistently can be the only way to get it to ever change and expunge its key anti-Infidel elements, rather than continually avoiding this fundamental issue’
and elements from its general indoctrination of youth and radicalization processes.
Our media should also follow the Muhammed Nor case in Minnesota. As a Somalian Islamic migrant and a loner, it’s more than possible he is a closet Islamist, and as a police officer, could have been waiting for an opportunity to take out an infidel. Seeing a white woman in her pajamas alone in the street conflicts with extreme Islamic teachings, thus he may have had a very itchy trigger finger. And a situation where he could get away with such a crime. presented itself.
simpleton1 says
Kasey snap 🙂
Many good points you make.
The bureaucracy/elite can not see terrorism unless it can be linked to a modern day group.
1400 years ago, Mohammad that said he “would be victorious by terror” and it is the intent of every muslim to support and emulate their most “perfect man”.
The bureaucracy does not mind how much money it costs, what inconvenience to others, as the pursue their multi culture, diversity, with political correctness.
Bill says
I agree with you that the bureaucracy/elite are refusing to call “terrorism” unless it is linked to an organized group. However, I believe that is intentional. It is a dodge and an obfuscation.
The elites see it, they know it, but to admit it would derail their plans for the great global “oneness” that they are pushing rapidly toward. Islam is actually a very effective tool in the globalist plan of destroying national sovereignty, republican forms of government and individual human rights and freedom.
Islam is only being successful because the globalist elites in business (including, mainstream media), finance and, mostly government, want it that way.
This could be ended within four years if governments in the west actually wanted to end it. They do not.
StellaSaidSo says
Nailed it.
Peggy says
Absolutely correct.
tonylang says
M appeared to say many contradictory things
j_not_a says
With that somalian diversity/affirmative action hire, the case is going nowhere. He continues to plead the fifth, the investigators seem to be bungling and messing up the evidence at every turn, as well as deliberately wasting time, from the recent reports I’ve read. I’m very afraid this brain dead beast is going to walk.
simpleton1 says
Earlier this year, January 2017, Bourke street, Melbourne car terror , 6 killed 30 wounded.
j_not_a says
Or it was carefully composed and learned by rote. Muzzlums are good at learning by rote (kids learning the Koran in madrassas That way which is all the “education”) they get there.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the terrible reminder, simpleton1.
simpleton1 says
The Bourke Street January 2017 car terror also drove down Flinders street.
That was the problem, not enough concrete bollards.
No worry, simply put up more concrete bollards, and more surveillance, bag inspections, random car stops etc.. will suffice for the governmental bureaucracy. Does not matter what it costs.! !
The public should expect that every large city will have “events” happen now and again, and another “memorial plaque/seat/garden” will suffice and the matters “put to rest”
History repeats, People need to learn, think, study the koran chronologically, taking in the abrogating verses, then hadith, sunnah.
LEST WE FORGET.! !
Michael Copeland says
One “memorial plaque/seat/garden” after another is “just part and parcel” of life in a modern multicultural city.
RichardL says
Australians are tough and fair play is central to their philosophy. When the get lied to so baldly (like the upper lips of the two salafis who did this) they will act boldly.
Mak says
It’s sobering to realize that your average citizen in many western countries (Austraila, Israel, the US, Poland, Hungary, etc) have had enough. The fact that we now have President Trump presiding over the US and a not-so-leftist Netanyahu as PM of Israel tells me people want change.
The problem is organizations like the State Department in the US. It’s filled with Obama moslem leftist supporters. We need more than the change of a leader.
I hope this incident motivates the average Australian to take back their country, their culture, and their safety.
Michael says
The government will then protect the enemy and attack the public
Michael Copeland says
“Police have said publicly …..that the driver’s motive remained unknown….”
Police need to be told publicly that the driver’s motive is OBVIOUS.
Save Europe says
Completely correct. It was utterly premeditated – the second Koranderthal was arrested for fillming the incident and carrying a copious amount of knives.
Wazza says
When we saw this, first thing I said to the Missus, wait for it, he will have a mental Health and drug issue, must be psychotic lol, not psychic
Sick to death of this excuse, it was deliberate, yet the bleeding heart system we have here will go easy on him, send him off for assessment, even if he is screaming, allah snacbar and death to you infidels, they will say, it is s sure sign of mental health breaking down, then in y opinion they all have the same mental health issue and should be departed from this Earth or deported ASAP
What the heck is wrong with our system these days, same goes for the APEX gangs over in the East Coast, they set the cops up for an assault, cops hooray charge in, NO ARRESTS
j_not_a says
Do any one of these police officers ever feel embarrassed at being made to blatantly lie like this? Is there ONE with a brain and a conscience? Or have they really all become PC robots who can’t think one tiny independent thought for themselve. This really is madness, Alice in Downunderland style.
scherado says
Curious.
Never heard of “ice”; I bet it’s some version of crack, which is a version of cocaine. I’ll have to do a search.
carpediadem says
It’s crystal meth.
Mak says
In this case it means the quran.
scherado says
Is it a form of crystal meth or another name for it?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Islamic Curriculum and Education.
gravenimage says
“Ice” is a form of meth:
http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/effects-of-ice.html
scherado says
Ah a form of it but not it? I’ll remember that. Thanks.
scherado says
Ah ha! AND CRACK IS A HIGHLY CONCENTRATED FORM OF COCAINE. Yes?–If I remember that correctly. What is used in the “freebase” method ingesting….cocaine, Yes?
scherado says
to have that much variation! Crack will last a short time with a VERY small variation. The ONE and ONLY time I did crack, the effect lasted about, I think, a few hours. (The reason I tried it ONLY once is a inside baseball story in itself…for another time.) I THOUGHT it was supposed to last between 15 minutes to 30 minutes. I suspect that had I done it 3 or four more times, the length of effect would have decreased to under 30 minutes, forever.
scherado says
From the link!!:
That is just bizarre to have that much variation! Crack will last a short time with a VERY small variation. The ONE and ONLY time I did crack, the effect lasted about, I think, a few hours. (The reason I tried it ONLY once is a inside baseball story in itself…for another time.) I THOUGHT it was supposed to last between 15 minutes to 30 minutes. I suspect that had I done it 3 or four more times, the length of effect would have decreased to under 30 minutes, forever.
Singh the Sikh says
Melbourne in the throes of Islamic cultural enrichment as the fruits of Muslims migration starts to bloom.
Bill says
Nothing but lies. Does the Aussie government really believe they are gulling the citizens? Apparently, they must. This is all going to end badly for lying governments in the west. Eventually, the people will rise up and rebel. Governments will topple, unless, like North Korea, they go full tyranny.. Not sure when that tipping point will arrive but a government cannot lie, deceive and attack its own people forever without consequence.
11braggot says
Well spoken. My thoughts exactly….this is the only place I can come to where people share my beliefs in this cancerous Islam….from a man who has spent time in war zones in the ME. Islam needs to GO
Shmoovie says
Couldn’t agree more.
This article just overflows with stink; authorities apparently DO believe the citizens of their countries cannot put together a toddler’s five-piece wooden puzzle. The only common sense is in the comments!
This “nothing-to-do-with…” business is desperate to the point of
ridiculousness. The more the jihadi attacks, the harder higher-ups fight to protect the crumbling reputation of the RoP.
StellaSaidSo says
It is time for the politicians and the complicit media to educate themselves, and to start being honest about the true nature and goals of Islam. Anyone who has READ THE KORAN knows that for 1400 years, Islam has preached death to the kuffar. More than 100 Koranic verses exhort the faithful to kill the non-believer. It is perfectly obvious to anyone who has taken the trouble to read this vile, hate-filled tome, to learn some history, and to be informed about recent events in Europe, Canada, the US and in other countries, that this ‘incident’ is a textbook 21stC jihad attack. ‘Mental illness’? Absolutely. But not the sort that can be treated with a few pills and a chat with a friendly psychiatrist.
Michael Copeland says
“This wretched book … I have been unable to discover in it one single idea of value.”
Arthur Schopenhauer
“It’s a depressing book. It really is. It’s just the rantings of a schizophrenic. There is also the barrenness of the message. It has no ethical dimension.”
Sebastian Faulks
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/book-reviews-koran
gravenimage says
Great quotes.
j_not_a says
And yet again, daily fail is refusing to allow comments on this story. To them and their ilk, muzzlum jihadi terrorist criminals are a coddled, pampered, babied group of special angels whose acts no matter how atrocious must never be called to account, never be subject to a whisper of scrutiny or criticism. Why don’t they just print a leading article under the heading “Why We Favour Muzzlums: Superior to All, Faultless Always” and just be bloody done with it.
Any, and ALL other group or nationality who commits any sort of wrongdoing will, of course, have their nationality, race and religion in the headline, in huge font size for extra emphasis.
Daily Fail is, by refusing to allow muzzlums to the same scrutiny that every other group is placed under by them, is thereby guilty of the same gross bigotry and prejudice they think they are preventing by shielding muzzlums from that same scrutiny. And the fact that that that that they damn well know, or ought to know that, is absolutely beyond disgusting.
Australia better damn wake up, they are not more immune to growing jihadi terror attacks as this story demonstrates, than others, because they have stricter gun laws.
Michael says
Gun laws will and are ignored by criminals and terrorists
Jaladhi says
And the fools say there is no connection to terror!! The entire ummah is a terrorist organization and any thing a Muslim does is motivated by Quran and his mosque imams! Why the MSM is always lookig for a well known terror organization like ISIS or al Qaeda when the biggest terror outfit the Muslim ummah is right there in plain sight!!
dumbledoresarmy says
Exactly. You said it. “The entire Ummah is a terrorist organisation”.
‘…the biggest terror outfit, the Muslim ummah, is right there in plain sight”.
Yes.
That is why I so often call them “the Allah Gang, the Mohammedan Mob”.
Bill says
Next the media will demand more “car control”.
Dum Spiro says
Yep, that’s apparently their “polcie” with incidents like this. That’s their story and they’re sticking to it.
We need more PM(mh)S — Preventive Mohammedan (mental health) Screening. That should help…
— Spero
freedom says
Here we go again.
Officialdom tripping over themselves to toe the PC line, telling the general public that the incident was in no way related to terrorism. How woefully inept to so intentionally misinform the very people you are responsible for protecting.
The State Premier said “We’ve seen an horrific act, an act of cowardice perpetrated against innocent bystanders,” Another form of cowardice is just as evident, the cowardice that comes with the fear of telling the truth. The truth that will help people be more alert to possible incidents like this and thereby avoid or possibly stop them. All the boxes are ticked that point to yet another act of Islamic terrorism. But sadly, so is the box of gutless bastards. Most of the general public are not fooled by the groveling crap that officials spew out after such horrific incidents. They know a spade when they see it and they call it such, they also know when there has been yet another Islamic terror attack and are not so readily fooled by those who try to convince them otherwise.
j_not_a says
If pressed as to why they spout these meaningless reassurances, they would come up with “we don’t want to stir up islamophobic, racial hatred” blah, blah. Never a word of concern about the non Muslim dead or maimed.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, j_not_a.
SHUALI says
Stupid Aussies just like stupid Canadians will always make excuses to exonerate the Muslims.
These two countries are perfect examples of governments that are ignorant, arrogant and fearful of the reality that faces them and they market their crap as open mindedness.
j_not_a says
Im glad you differentiated between the government’s and the people. I can tell you nearly everyone I speak to (Canada) family or strangers) is fed up with muzzlums, their coddling by the government, and their demands for special treatment.
StellaSaidSo says
Fear underlies the arrogance of much of the Western ‘classe politique’. And they are right to be fearful of the people they pretend to represent, but whom they have betrayed.
CRUSADER says
The Aussie authorities don’t want to start a panic nor a pogrom of the public to be waged against those Muslims who are innocently living in Oz….
tt says
Then, bloody, call the spade – the spade.
j_not_a says
Like the captain and crew didn’t want to start a panic among the passengers on the Titanic so kept the truth from them until the ship had already started to sink.
gravenimage says
Ah, yes–the phantom “backlash” that has never occured.
MFritz says
“not terrorism”… but most certainly muslims committing it.
j_not_a says
I had no idea that to become a cop you had to become a doctor of psychiatry. That take about 15 years of medical school before graduation. But even doctors of psychiatry would never diagnose some without:
1: the person beening referred to them by the person’s family practitioner after physical symptoms for their symptoms have been ruled out
2. The psychiatrist has seen the person several times at his practice before making a diagnosis and has prescribed the appropriate medication.
3. Even then, psychiatrists sometimes make an incorrect diagnosis, and must again have further consultations with the patient to arrive at the correct diagnosis and change or correct the medication prescribed.
Does it not boggle the mind then, that these street level cops, who very obviously are NOT professionally trained psychiatrists, are making all these diagnoses of mental illness without the required degrees, without ANY referral from a GP,, and without ever meeting this person face to face. Isn’t that actually illegal to pose and diagnose as a medical doctor without actually being one?
elee says
(1) I have known a few mentally ill drug users in my professional capacity. On their behalf I resent this view expressed by the Australian government. Calling these Muslim butchers “mentally ill” slanders millions of people who would never dream of inflicting the horrors that get advocated at every mosque every Saturday;
(2) I think every recent issue of Rumiyah/Dabiq has contained explicit instructions for vehicular homicides. I only happen to have #9 in front of me as I write……full page illustrated guidance, telling them what kind of vehicle to choose, how to obtain it (steal it, or lie to a kafir and “borrow” it)….
j_not_a says
It’s fairly rare for a genuinely mentally ill person to go on a murderous multi victim rampage. Especially when you compare their instances by the numbers to the deadly rampages by muzzlums who are fuelled by their “holy textx” who do so. The numbers as compared are nowhere even close. Muzzlum take home the gold for that.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep.
There are *plenty* of seriously-psychiatrically-ill non-Muslims in Australia and elsewhere, not a few of who are also substance-abusers (whether of alcohol or other things)… and yet.. NONE of them have done what this bloke just did. Isn’t that just a bit.. curious?
We did NOT – despite having people with psychiatric disorders, and people who were substance-abusers, and people who were *both* – have this sort of grand-scale attempted (or, in the case of Nice, and Stockholm, and Berlin) *achieved* mass-murder-by-motor-car UNTIL after we imported mohammedans into our various countries in large numbers.
gravenimage says
Exactly, j_not_a and Dumbledore’s Army.
Winston says
This particular form of mental illness is increasing exponentially. I suspect it’s contagious. A medical problem needs a medical solution. A comment from a renowned psychiatrist would be useful.
Undaunted says
If you’re armed in a situation like this, remember to shoot lots of rounds into the driver in order to stop the attack. Don’t shoot at the tires or the engine block. The sooner you stop the driver, the more reliably the attack stops. Like the man says…
https://www.amazon.com/Six-Actual-Need-Charge-These-Dangerous-ebook/dp/B075Z4PLKC
Guy Forester says
“There I was, just standing there, minding my own business with a bag of knives and a camera. The camera just happened to be on, and magically filmed the car squishing kafirs, I mean infidels, I mean people. Good thing the police told me already that I will be exonerated. It is just a coincidence that I look like a jihadi, carry knives around in a bag, and happened to be there with my camera running.”
Coming soon to a street near you folks. Oh, I guess it has been here, there and everywhere. Just another excuse for our so called leaders to deny the truth, insist that we keep our borders open, let in more terrorists, and refuse to name and act against the state sponsors of terrorism.
j_not_a says
Yep, just love ’em to “death”. That’ll work.
Mockingjay says
– Do the authorities in all our Western countries really, honestly, still believe that ANYBODY still buys their FLAGRANT lies and denial of reality?
– Do they REALLY believe this?
– I, for one, am DEEPLY insulted by their assumption that the citizens of the West are really THIS daft, and that they can REALLY keep getting away with all these bloody pathetic attempts at deception.
– I would like to see a poll taken of what percentage of Australian and Western citizens believe that what happened today in Melbourne, and what keeps happening all over he West, is just a “series of unfortunate events”.
I’d really like to see the percentages.
How many people still believe the lies? And how long till the people who DO know the truth will rise up and reclaim the right of having a TRUSTWORTHY government ruling over them?
11braggot says
Agreed
Sarah says
They would never ask those questions. They know the answer and they don’t want to face it. Its like Sweden refusing to release the updated immigrant crime statistics and relying on the 2005 data instead. They know that if the public see the last 10 years of shocking crime stats, they’ll hit the roof.
I had to use DuckDuckGo to find the webpage for the United Patriot Front, as Google won’t even list them (funny that) to see if there are any protests being organized.
I’m sorely tempted to go along to one this time.
We need to start being heard.
Mockingjay says
“We need to start being heard.”
– Indeed, indeed, indeed WE DO!
– And we better find a way to MAKE them listen to us PRETTY DAMN SOON, because if it takes much longer, it WILL be too late.
Benedict says
This Muslim terrorist just added some good deeds in the balance by attacking random infidels:
“And the weighing [of deeds] that Day will be the truth. So those whose scales are heavy – it is they who will be the successful.
And those whose scales are light – they are the ones who will lose themselves for what injustice they were doing toward Our verses.” (Koran: 7:8-9)
Peter says
I was in Melbourne a couple of weeks ago. There are concrete bollards absolutely everywhere. They now encircle Federation Square. They are at the entrance to Southern Cross Station. There are even at the entrance to Myer’s department store. Melbourne looks like an infidel army base in Afghanistan. And still there aren’t enough of them to prevent this low rent form of mass murder from happening. Its a pity our police and political class aren’t as brave and grounded as the eight or so bystanders who dragged this towel-head scumbag out of his car and pinned him to the ground. It was excruciating watching the Premier and Acting Commissioner of Police spin this incident. If I had been the Commissioner, I would have told the truth, trashed my career, walked off stage and marched proudly into retirement. At least I wouldn’t have been a Dhimmi apologist.
David Stephenson says
The SF Chronicle merely reported that “a car rammed pedestrians” … those darned cars !!!
Salome says
Before the bollards we had Gargasoulas, a young man of mixed Greek and Kurdish background, who gave every impression of being a meth-head. He raved about Islam being the only true religion before a magistrate, but his Facebook page was mixed in the views it expressed (although totally raving and off the wall). Now we have this new one, after the bollards, and drugs (meth?) are said to be involved. I’m willing to accept that these perps are unhinged, and that meth may well be a large part of the cause. BUT it remains that, of all the models at their disposal when running amok, they chose to adopt that of vehicular jihad. Therefore, their acts may lack the deliberate political purpose of jihad attacks, but they are obviously inspired by them and ultimately their effect is the same. AND, people who don’t come from a Muslim background don’t tend to behave quite this way, any more than the perp who stabbed the Australian in Gothenburg is likely to be called Sven. Let’s face it, we’ve imported a demographic that includes a disproportionately large number of individuals who are disproportionately violent, and we’ve had enough of them.
LeftisruiningCanada says
” it remains that, of all the models at their disposal when running amok, they chose to adopt that of vehicular jihad. Therefore, their acts may lack the deliberate political purpose of jihad attacks, but they are obviously inspired by them and ultimately their effect is the same”
Yes, agree. It’s coming from the islamic cultural influence, even if they aren’t very religious as individuals. Culture is what forms your way of thinking and frames your reactions to things in general. When you live in a culture that generally considers itself supreme, devalues women, and looks on outsiders as less than human, all of which is divine in origin, nothing good will come of it.
It’s the same in the UK when you read about the muslim gangs. They all deal and take drugs, keep sex slaves, rape, steal, and are horribly violent, things even most religious muslims would say are not good….but still see things in a very “us and them” way. The “us” are the muslims, the ‘them’ everybody else.
Walter Sieruk says
Some say “Not terror related .” Bull ! Those cruel ,vicious and murderous jihadists thugs who compose ISIS are so very brutal and deadly that they even want to murder people, even on Christmas The malicious jihadists of that jihad entity, ISIS, are actually putting in to the practice ,with all their ruthless actions, the violence and killing that is part of the teaching of the “holy book” of Islam ,the Koran. Which contain the doctrine of extreme violent force for the advancement of Islam. As seen in the Koran, for example, 2:191,4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. So in spite of the strong denials by many, ISIS is an actual Islamic organization. Likewise the malicious, bloodthirsty violence jihadists who make up ISIS are real Muslims. Nevertheless, there are some who might , understandably, wonder and then ask “Just how can those jihadists of ISIS ,being so very religious , also at the time also be so very malice-filled ,unfeeling and deadly ? “ The answer to that question is found in the Bible. For the Bible teaches that there are some people who are extremely heartless, cold, callous and dangerous because they have had “their conscience seared with a hot iron.” First Timothy 4:2. [ K.J.V.] In this case of the members of ISIS this “hot iron” is Islam.
Sarah says
I live in Melbourne, although I’m nowhere near the CBD. I cannot tell you just how disgusted I am at the Premier of VIctoria, Daniel Andrews.
FUCK YOU Dan Andrews. This is on you.
You know what Daniel Andrews was doing last night? Sending out Tweets saying ‘make sure you keep your loved ones safe’. From California, no less.
He is a Leftie. He has presided over the societal decay of Victoria and especially Melbourne. Thanks to him we have Muslims attempting terror attacks all over the shop. Thanks to him, we have hordes of Sudanese ambushing our Police Officers, gang bashing Australians, ram-raiding, armed-robbing, home invading – you name it, those Sudanese bastard’s are having the time of their lives right now, in Melbourne. And a thousand other huge problems that aren’t particularly relevant to this terror attack today.
And Daniel Fucking Andrews is silent on it all.
There is blood on his hands. So much blood. I lay the blame at his feet for this. I lay the blame for all of this steaming bullshit that us Australians have to endure and live with, WITHOUT OUR CONSENT, on the Greens, Labor and Liberal politician’s from the last 10 years who have been hellbent on letting as many of these filthy steaming Muslims into our beautiful country.
I hope you enjoy your ‘research trip’ in California,, Dan. Remember, don’t let your wife drink and drive in Napa Valley – you won’t be able to bully the local Police into covering it up, when you’re not in Melbourne. I hope you have a safe and merry Christmas, paid for by the taxpayer. I hope you have a great time over there. I hope you get to keep your loved ones safe, like how you carelessly tweeted to all of us. Can’t be too hard with the security you have at your disposal, though.
Its not like YOU or your drunken wife, or your kids or any of your family are ever going to be in danger of being killed by a Muslim in a terror attack. You have no idea what its like to be at genuine risk for that.
And it shows. It really, really shows. Enjoy your last 11 months in power, Dan. You won’t be coming back for another round – you’ve done enough damage to last us all several lifetimes.
This WAS a terror attack. They can lie about it all they want. We aren’t stupid, we aren’t blind. Yet another fucking MUSLIM decided to murder as many as he could in the name of his religion. I fucking hate Muslims at this stage. You’re all just terrible, terrible creatures.
StellaSaidSo says
WELL SAID. Agree 100%. Especially re the traitor Daniel Andrews, who has all but destroyed Melbourne.
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
Everyone of us here could insert the name of our local or national elected representative into your post, and it would read just as truthfully.
Strange isn’t it. The whole of the West is playing by the same rules right now. And those rules aren’t on our side.
Martel says
And if you or one of your friends decides to take up arms and injure some of these cockroaches, the ABC will call it an act of domestic terror straight away.
The ABC I just watched it, they said that it is not terror related this attack and they also said it is a great relief for Melbourne that this was not an act of terror. If the taxpayer funded ABC says that is it raining outside… put on your sun cream..
LeftisruiningCanada says
Ugh, you can feel the greasy residue of propaganda after reading that.
Yes, what a relief it must be for the muslims in Melbourne that another one of their operations has avoided being called what it is. They have really dodged the fantasy back lash bullet there haven’t they!
Reg says
The Australian Govt. Are wimps and cowards
Ba mohammedanism BAN sharia law
Get the cancer out of our society(s)
There will Never be peace until we stand up and RESIST
tim gallagher says
I agree with the comments above that it is well and truly time that the authorities all told the truth about almost all these cases being Muslim terrorist attacks. One of the police in Melbourne has been on the TV news this morning and (finally) acknowledging that the guy who drove the car into people yesterday was telling the police guarding him that one of the reasons he committed this crime was because of the “treatment of Muslims”. So it’s the usual crap about how we just aren’t treating the enemy Muslim scum well enough, according to this oxygen thief. Mainly though, I just hope that our imbecilic political leaders end any more Muslim migration into Australia. That’s the main thing to do. In Victoria, there’s been a huge problem with Sudanese and Somali youth gangs in recent years. Again, I hope (even if they don’t say anything) I just hope that our polticians have shut the door on any more Sudanese migration. There’s enough evidence. It’s been a disaster. I mean, I know it’s too late, but stop Muslim migration into all non-Muslim nations. It’s the only answer.
simpleton1 says
Tim good points and to highlight.
“one of the reasons he committed this crime was because of the “treatment of Muslims”.
simpleton1 says
Tim good points and to highlight.
“one of the reasons he committed this crime was because of the “treatment of Muslims”.
In the fog of drugs and mental problems, focus on what “Mohammad would do?”
“I have been made victorious with terror ” Bukhari (4.52.220)
http://www.exmuslim.org/i-have-been-made-victorious-by-terror.html
With “The “context”, ten “remarkable” facts” [islamic sources]
Martel says
The Bourke st Rampage just under a year ago was a muslim, calling out Allahu Akbar whilst driving into innocent people. The media said not terror related…
In court now he is saying islam is the true religion. His friends said his conversion to islam saw him acting strangely, he burned a Christian bible prior to attack… still nothing to see here..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQru0CpZUpM
this eyewitness saw it happen right in front of his face, yet his testimony is ignored..
CRUSADER says
Things are really upside-down DownUnder !
Immigration policy raises its ugly head down there !
Briars says
Aussie logic: It walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, therefore it is not a duck.
StellaSaidSo says
Australia does not have a monopoly on this form of logic. Check out the craven dhimmi governments of the UK and Sweden, for example. Or the response of Mayor di Blasio to the recent truck jihad attack in New York. The failure to recognise a duck is an affliction shared by many of our ‘leaders’, world-wide.
David M says
Exactly, the average person in the street knows this was an Islamic terror attack, despite the lies from the politicians. Noori has already come out & admitted he did it to the mistreatment of Muslims.
Matthieu Baudin says
I expect everyone in that far off land will have to wait for the trial to judge where this attack fits into broader international Jihadist terror patterns. If he is a militant combatant then he ought to be tried by a military court and if any of those civilians who were run over die from their injuries then it is proper that the option of capital punishment be considered for a military crime of this severity.
simpleton1 says
It is not considered terror as it is not linked to a modern day group, like “Boko haram”, “ISIS”, “Al nusra”, “Al qaeda”, etc.
We are blinded by the willful ignorance of today’s bureaucracy/elite to 1400 years of history of supremacist Mohammad’s followers.
“I have been made victorious with terror ” Bukhari (4.52.220)
Does a memorial garden /seat/plaque etc. assuage the public?
LEST WE FORGET,
We forget 1400 years of terror
11braggot says
Someone really ought to retrain Muslims to drive….they sure seem to be getting into a lot of “accidents” all of a sudden….or is it possible….just possible that maybe…?? Nahhhh
simpleton1 says
“Everyone present was terrified”
1st the 4wd… Then?
Was another vechicle going to be coming through?
Was a bomb going to go off in a vehicle? or a bombers vest?
Was a knife slasher, stabber going to run amok?
Was some one going to be coming out firing a gun?
The off duty police man is a hero, in immediately coming forward, to apprehend the driver.
With drugs, mental un-wellness, and worried by the mistreatment of muslims, shows that the dualism ideology of islam also has a major influence, in the fog of drugs and mental dualism in the infidel’s world., Dar al-Harb ‘House of War’
Wazza says
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews described the incident as “an horrific act, an evil act” but terrorism has been ruled out.
Phew am glad he worked that one out
Now we all can go back to sleep as there is nothing to see here, nothing sinister going on, just an unhappy Afghani who is upset with the treatment of Muslimes, and well he did miss his Drs appointment that morning, so they will have compassion on this poor Man My Arse, hang him and hang him high for all the other wannabe murdering terrorists in Oz
https://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/12/21/17/00/pedestrians-injured-after-car-crashes-into-melbourne-cbd-tram-stop
tim gallagher says
On this atrocious Muslim terrorist attack yesterday, Andrew Bolt , the Australian commentator, has a couple of good comments on his blog, one about the police weasel words and also on how Japan, because of its lack of MUslims, doesn’t have their mentally ill running down people with cars and trucks. Islam, being the murderously violent religion that it is, fills its adherents with violent thoughts,etc. If they have mental illness ( Islam could be seen as a mental illness, though I think is just bad, just evil, rather than mad) or drug addiction then Muslims would be likely to behave very violently, whereas adherents of other religions would be less likely to do so. Muslims are wired for murderous violence. Google Andrew Bolt. He’s wide awake to the problem and his article on the BS from the police is excellent. This “mistreatment of Muslims” is rubbish. It’s Muslims who always mistreat non-Muslims wherever they have power. If we have grown to hate Muslims it is surely well deserved.
Singh the Sikh says
Maybe he did have a mental illness. He also undeniably had terrorist tendencies due to his religion and country of origin- this reality is being ignored by media and the authorities. How many Muslims with mental illness smash cars into crowds, compared to non-muslims? This data will be revealing. It will show that Muslims are an extremely high risk cluster: quite prone to mental illness combined with terrorist zeal. It’s a dangerous and deadly combination. Why allow such people into the country in the first place? Leaders who do this increase the risk of citizens being killed or maimed. Leaders who give refuge to Islamic madmen filled with terrorist zeal have blood on their hands. They should stop playing Russian Roulette with citizens lives.
Shoshonnah says
Twitter from Sky News, Australia. This Muslim made mention of a motive, sort of…displeasure at how Muslims were being treated. https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/944005002619527168
Nothing says Muslims are treated unfairly like a Muslim who rams his car into innocent others.
It likely was terrorism, after all.
Chris Malan says
This will ensure that Muslims are now much better treated in Australia. Didn’t you know that?
gravenimage says
Australia: Muslim deliberately plows car into pedestrians, injuring 19, cops say it’s not terrorism
……………………….
More ludicrous whitewash.
Manos says
Victoria is under a left wing fascist govt rule. Until lib,lab,greens are in power, we are going to suffer.
Enough with these traitors that govern us. Time for a regime change. Pauline Hanson has to become PM of Australia. And it’s time to kick out all refugees out this country.
Stewart Davies says
Once again from the police, the politicians and their lap-dog media presstitutes, we are regaled with the idiotic and cowardly pretence; “Not terror related; history of drug abuse and mental illness.” If and when this demented ratbag is sent down for twenty years, he will demand his halal diet, his blood-soaked koran and his prayer mat, and his belligerent demands will be met. And what will the cost of his incarceration be to the taxpayer? There is only one sensible solution; these scumbags have their sights set on their make-believe Islamic paradise. The most humane and compassionate solution is to send them there. Via a rope around the neck!
Neil says
Hmmm, lets think about this, a muslim afghan refugee who is apparently so upset of the treatment of muslims that he goes on a fake terror rampage where innocent people are accidentally hurt. This clearly cannot be a terrorist attack as its only a terrorist incident when he wears a ISIS uniform and posts his intentions all over the internet six months in advance. As it could be argued most ISIS supporters have mental health issues and exhibit criminal behaviour then lets blame it on that and overlook what drives this man to do evil.
Thankfully he was tackled by an off duty police officer before he could cause any more fake terror.
Thanks to the Don we now have a name for this – FAKE NEWS. If the left has its way we will be kept in the dark like mushrooms and fed more bs.
If we don’t want to wind up like Europe and the impending civil war there, we need to be more proactive, and elect leaders here like DONALD TRUMP. Remember from time to time the tree of liberty will need to be refreshed by the blood of patriots and that time is fast coming.
Eyes wide open
Chris Malan says
And you won’t believe the extent to which the police and the media are bending over backwards not to involve Islam. There is a bit of solace in the whole incident in that it happened in Melbourne, a very liberal city in a very liberal state which won’t stand for anyone saying anything which even hints of not being to Islam’s credit. Nothing will change in Melbourne and Victoria as far as perceptions about Islam are concerned. Maybe it’s a case of a liberal being a conservative who has not been mugged over and over and over again. One time is not enough for a thick-skulled liberal. A really dense species, the liberal.
Stuart Browning says
“Move on there is nothing of interest here”
The Prime Minister and the Premiere of Victoria have said this man has mental problems and is a Crystal Meth user and it has nothing to do with Islamic Terrorism!
How Pathetic, he as a Muslim from Afghanistan who stated that he did it because of the way “Muslims are Treated”
Time to wipe the slate clean and elect a completely new government which reflects our nations principals of democracy and freedom of speech!
Concerned Aussie Crusader says
The cops say “not terror related” but 24 million Australians (minus 600,000 muslims) know differently.
Aussie Infidel says
What a great Christmas present this has been for Melbourne and all those who have suffered the brutality of this obvious jihad terror attack.
If the police think that this incident is due to ‘mental illness’ then they must have had their heads in the sand and not noticed the ‘global epidemic’ of such cases over the last few years. Can they really be so stupid? Or are they simply in denial? Have they not read the fatwahs from the Islamic State urging would-be jihadis to ‘run them over with cars’ or ‘stab them with knives’? Do they not see the obvious connection to all the other such incidents which have occurred around the world?
In case our leaders can’t imagine any primary motivation for these attacks, they need look mo further than the Islamic holy scriptures, which despite Islam’s pretence to be a ‘religion of peace’, preach hatred and violence toward all non-Muslims.
From the Quran:
“Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.” (Quran 3:28).
“We are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah. We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone.” (Quran 60:4).
“Jews and Christians … are the worst of creatures.” (Quran 98:6).
From the Hadith:
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror’.” (Bukhari 4:52:220). Muhammad was the consummate warlord, who terrorised his victims with guerrilla style warfare.
“Anyone who kills an infidel is guaranteed Paradise.” (Sahih Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2489).
“When Allah’s Apostle fought or raided people we raised our voices saying, ‘Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’.” (Bukhari 5:59:516). The war-cry of the jihadists goes all the way back to Muhammad himself.
From the Sharia:
Islam’s doctrine of Al-Wala’a Wal Bara’a: “This clarifies the Koranic verses and hadiths about hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah, being unyielding towards the unbelievers, hard against them, and detesting them, while accepting the destiny of Allah Most High insofar as it is the decree of Allah” (The Reliance of the Traveller, Acceptance and Hatred, w59.2).
There’s also the doctrine of Jihad:
“So let those fight in the cause of Allah (jihad) who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory – We will bestow upon him a great reward [Paradise – and all those virgins].” (Quran 4:74 SI).
“O you who have believed, respond to Allah and to the Messenger when he calls you to that which gives you life (jihad). And know that Allah intervenes between a man and his heart and that to Him you will be gathered.” (Quran 8:24 SI).
“And fight them until there is no fitnah (opposition) and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah.” (Quran 8:39).
“O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.” (Quran 9:123).
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’.” (Bukhari 1:8:387).
“Jihad means to war against non-Muslims … warfare to establish the religion.” (The Reliance of the Traveller, o9.0).
If our ‘erudite’ leaders mistakenly believe that such information must be kept from the people to ‘maintain public order’, they are living in fairyland. The people are already way ahead of them. These ‘useful idiots’ are simply entrenching the level of public distrust in governments and the people’s perception of their incompetence.
We are fed up with apologists for Islam refusing to name and shame this criminal ideology. And we are fed up with ignorant, gutless politicians who are more interested in ‘not offending’ Muslims, than dealing with the source of this increasing menace threatening our communities.