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Canada: Muslim migrant with nine bombs strapped to suicide vest takes 13 hostages inside bank

Dec 15, 2017 10:30 am By Robert Spencer

He wanted crystal meth and to talk with President Trump. “‘He is Middle Eastern,’ confirmed a police source. ‘I believe he’s originally from Egypt.’ One witness said there was no references to any religious or terror allegiances in the man’s rantings. The only thing political was the name ‘Trump.'”

Maybe this man was drug-addled or genuinely insane. If so, taking hostages and strapping on a suicide vest was still well within his cultural frame of reference. And so that is what he did.

“WARMINGTON: Vaughan hostage taker wore suicide vest, demanded to speak with Trump,” by Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun, December 14, 2017:

Demanding to talk to United States President Donald Trump, the 25-year-old man had nine bombs strapped to a suicide vest, a detonator in one hand and a gun in the other.

And he was threatening to use his entire arsenal inside an RBC branch — at the corner of Major MacKenzie Dr. and Dufferin St. in Vaughan — where he had up to 13 hostages Wednesday.

“He was waving his gun around,” said a person who was on the scene. “He was not demanding money. He asked for no money. He said he wanted crystal meth and he wanted to talk to Trump.”

He also asked for panicked bank employees to call police.

Police are working to determine whether his arsenal or threats were real. But York Regional Police did not take any chances. After a robot was deployed inside the bank, two officers took him out with gunshots.

“I am glad that they did,” said one person who was inside the building before being told to get out by police. “It was a scary situation when a guy has bombs and a gun.”

This investigation is still very much in its early stages with forensics to determine what was authentic. The province’s Special Investigation’s Unit, which investigates police shootings, was all over this taped-off scene Thursday.

One source who was on the scene said officers tried everything they could to get the man to surrender and to free his hostages.

“In the end there was no negotiating with him. He didn’t want to talk anymore,” said the insider, who described him as appearing emotionally unstable.

One of the working theories is suicide by cop. Little is known about the dead man so far. The SIU had not yet released his name.

Who was this mystery man and why did he drive a car from the Bathurst St.-Teston Rd. area four kilometres to the bank with a suicide vest?

“He is Middle Eastern,” confirmed a police source. “I believe he’s originally from Egypt.” One witnessed [sic] said there was no references to any religious or terror allegiences [sic] in the man’s rantings. The only thing political was the name “Trump.”…

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  1. warmac9999 says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 10:35 am

    You’ve got to love this kind of justification. No terrorism involved? Where did he get 9 bombs and a suicide vest?

    • Andy says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      Toronto Star runs article by Muslim lawyer calling for Pamela Geller to be banned from Canada

      https://www.follownews.com/toronto-star-runs-article-by-muslim-lawyer-calling-for-pamela-geller-to-be-banned-from-canada-3vl6f

      Muslim migrant with nine bombs strapped to suicide vest takes 13 hostages inside Canada bank

      https://www.follownews.com/muslim-migrant-with-nine-bombs-strapped-to-suicide-vest-takes-13-hostages-inside-canada-bank-3vm4s

      • Andy says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 1:39 pm

        Muslim migrant with nine bombs strapped to suicide vest

        “He is Middle Eastern,” confirmed a police source. “I believe he’s originally from Egypt.”

        http://www.indianpolitics.co.in/featured/canada-migrant-nine-bombs-strapped-suicide-vest-takes-13-hostages-inside-bank/

      • PaulM says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 7:07 pm

        The Toronto Star is the most biased, antisemitic, globalist loving, soros supporting hate rag in Canada. Their reporting is so slanted and self serving, for liberal/leftist Canadians as to be absolutely unbelievable It would not surprise me to find out that it is either soros owned or owned by one of his lackeys/accolades.

        • j_not_a says

          Dec 15, 2017 at 7:40 pm

          Cancelled my subscription to that piece of filth in 2007, got tired of the Red Star’s constant verbal fellating of Omar Khadr (sorry to be crude but it really was and continued to be quite sickening as many of you know)

        • Lawrence says

          Dec 16, 2017 at 3:34 am

          Is it even worse than the Toronto Globe and Mail?

        • j_not_a says

          Dec 19, 2017 at 9:51 am

          @Lawrence I would say so, yes.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 7:07 pm

        They don’t want Pamela Geller in Canada, but this guy was fine?

    • Harold Crowe says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 5:41 pm

      I did not see this in the main news agencies and only on Facebook how come:

      • JOHN says

        Dec 16, 2017 at 10:56 am

        First I hear of it too. So much for Global National News. Wonder why we are tuning out the MSM?

    • Andy says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 5:58 pm

      Ex-Gitmo captive suing Canada for $50 million for alleged complicity in torture

      https://www.thepostmillennial.com/ex-gitmo-captive-suing-canada-50-million-alleged-complicity-torture/

      Winning the lottery in Trudeau’s Canada!

      Ex-gitmo captive set to sue canada for $50 million for alleged complicity in torture- News Canada

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 7:11 pm

        Disgusting, Andy. How many of these Jihadists have Canadian taxpayers paid off at this point?

        • JOHN says

          Dec 16, 2017 at 11:03 am

          You will have to ask jihadi Justine Trudope and his islamist immigration minister that. A prompt, courteous, truthful answer will be forthcoming. No, really!

      • St. Croix says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 9:31 pm

        It’s their golden ticket now. Just say there was collusion and get the PMO to cough up the cash. What can we expect when we reward their whining and their demands? When we reward BAD BEHAVIOUR. That’s what we’ll get more of. Disgusting is the word, yes.

    • MTMLA says

      Dec 19, 2017 at 3:20 am

      Plus, he’s from Egypt. Trudeau and Obama must be very proud of their legacy.

  2. mummymovie says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 10:47 am

    And no surprise- of course, he is “emotionally unstable”; more evidence of the global outbreak of mental illness among the world’s muslim population.

  3. elee says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 10:50 am

    Give him some legendary Egyptian pharmaceuticals, fake pharmaceuticals seem to be the main industry there. If he wants real captagon he’s on the wrong continent. But even there most of it comes from Egypt and isn’t the real stuff.

  4. Tim says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 10:52 am

    That does make sense. Time will tell.

  5. Linda says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 11:10 am

    That just happened yesterday. The way I heard it reported, it was just another ordinary bank robbery. The media certainly covers for the “special” people.

    • DustDevl340 says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 12:40 pm

      Yes, indeed. Not a mention of this on the news here.

    • PaulM says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 7:09 pm

      It never even made it on the news on the East Coast of Canada. Go figure eh. Trudeau and his ass wipe goons make me sick. Canada is so so screwed.

      • Linda says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 7:45 pm

        It sure looks like we are screwed. I didn’t see any mention of it today in the list of news items I checked and Trudeau was in Toronto on talk shows going on about Christmas, (Well, let me qualify that. He was talking more about Star Wars than about Christmas). Then he went to cut a ribbon at the subway development. No mention of his favourite people at either place. No mention of the 9 bombs or the gun or hostages. As Trudeau says, “Sunny ways, my friends. Sunny ways.” We’re being led down the garden path and if we say anything about it, we’ll soon be jailed for Islamophobia. Sunny ways…I don’t think so.

        • Older Canadian says

          Dec 17, 2017 at 10:21 am

          Trudeau and his sunni ways is more acturate.

          Yep we are screwed.

        • MTMLA says

          Dec 19, 2017 at 3:22 am

          And he was voted in again, me thinks…

      • Skeptic Sam says

        Dec 16, 2017 at 3:27 pm

        Diversity and multiculturalism is so wonderful.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 7:44 pm

      It does not sound as if this as an actual bank robbery at all.

      • Linda says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 7:51 pm

        And yet that’s the way it was reported in some news coverage in Canada…just another bank robbery. The one good thing about the whole story is that the police took the guy out, (shot him to death). Under these circumstances, that’s what I call good news.

        • David says

          Dec 16, 2017 at 6:55 pm

          It is good news for both sides. We kill the nutcase, and he gets to go to Paradise. So, everyone is happy!

  6. Waldman says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 11:15 am

    This is first I have heard of this event – how come our Media – Radio or TV- . has not reported on this?

    Fear of Islamophobia?

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 4:05 pm

      It does not qualify as news under the CBC rule book.

  7. Lynn says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 11:24 am

    I hope he had a license to own that hand gun. In Canada guns are strictly controlled. To legally own a hand gun a person must take two different gun safety classes and apply for a license. Clearly someone with a drug addiction and or mental health problems should not be carrying a gun.

  8. Ellie says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 11:26 am

    This is typical Islam terror stuff. They use children and others that they find useless to strap bombs onto and then send them out to blow up people. What they say is not as important as blowing up people and things as well as creating fear.

  9. Infidel says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 11:28 am

    There were no reports of this Jehaadi atrocity in the MSM in India.. So many harsh realities suppressed wilfully by the criminal MSM all over the world. Thank God for JW..!!

    • Linda says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 7:56 pm

      Yes. Thank God for JW!

  10. Rob says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    As usual, it will be attributed to “mental illness”. Which of course increases the politically inconvenient correlation of Islam and mental illness, threats, violence, hatred of the US, …

  11. Walter Sieruk says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 12:44 pm

    Those jihadist suicide/homicide Islamic terror attackers are committed by Muslims who are also mujaheddin, who are also under the spell of Islamic deception, so much so, that those jihadists actually view their murderous attacks as “martyrdom operations.” This is because they firmly believe that they will have a paradise, for themselves, after they die in a jihad attack. This is how strong the influence of the deceptive power of the false religion of Islam can be. This delusional madness which results in death and destruction is, somewhat, explained in the following quotation by a Christian author.
    “Muslims killed while waging jihad are often honored as martyrs. Also, the prophet Muhammad said that they would be guaranteed passage to paradise. Narrated Abu Huraira in Hadith 9:549:
    ‘Allah’s Apostle said “Allah guarantees to the person who carries out jihad or His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but the jihad for His Cause and belief in His Words, that he will either admit him into paradise or return him with the reward or the bounty he has earned to his residence from where he came out.’ [1]
    As for the first part of this above quote about a “guarantee’’ of entering into a paradise for a Muslim who dies fighting in the jihad is a falsehood and false doctrine of a “guarantee “. Which a both tragic and sad for many reasons as well as bogus way of God. For Jesus taught not the above but clearly did teach that He is the genuine and only way to heaven. For example, John 14:6 gives the very words of Jesus Which are “I am the way ,the truth, and the life: no one comes to the Father ,but by Me.”

    [1] ISLAM AND THE BIBLE: WHY TWO FAITH COLLIDE BY David Goldmann page 122

  12. Sam says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    This has all the elements of a “white racist, extremist”. What do you think?

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 6:02 pm

      That was the first thing i noticed.

  13. Bill says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    I say fake news. This cannot happen because Canada has very strict gun control. I wonder what he had wished to discuss with President Trump? The recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel perhaps? Would someone please give they guy Justin Trudeau’s phone number, I think he has jurisdiction over this matter, not President Trump. Trudeau could have him over for tea.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm

      “I say fake news. This cannot happen because Canada has very strict gun control”

      You’re kidding, right?

      There’s a bazillion guns if you want one, especially in the GTA. Rules only apply if you want one legally.

      • PaulM says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 7:11 pm

        Ditto.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 8:15 pm

      Bill is being sarcastic, guys.

  14. David says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    This has to be fake news. Mr Trudeau would never allow this to happen in His Canada. His people are all of the religion of peace.

  15. Carlos Danger says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    A hand gun………in Canada. that’s impossible!

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 4:09 pm

      Sure is.

      Unless you don’t like following the rules, then it’s very very possible.

  16. Eric says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 2:46 pm

    Oh Canada when will parliament give a vote of no confidence to Trudeau? This is your only way out.

    Eric

  17. Ethel Red says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    I imagine Mashed Little Potato Jihadi Trudeau will want a State Funeral for this person if indeed he is a Islamist. I can just picture the Trudeau gang all gathered together for a group hug and Trudeau leading these fools in a mass cry-in. We got to get this fool of a failed P.M. removed.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 6:01 pm

      You exaggerate my Canadian Brother, surely $10M will do?

  18. Bob Fry says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    Just another isolated incident of a deranged man that was from the middle east (Egypt ), this has nothing to do with a Ideology or a Radical Islamic Muslim, all Muslims are peace loving. Now that I have given the Government’s position on this incident and were all to nod our heads in agreement and go back to our TV Reality Show’s. Very interesting Thought, I haven’t seen any White Caucasians Christians, strapping on 9 sticks of explosive and entering a bank and then asking to speak to the President of the U.S.A.. this is unique to only Middle East countries, I believe they call it Jihad against Western countries citizen’s. Let’s get serious now this is a terrorist attack that reeks of a Radical Islamic attack.. If it walk’s like a terrorist, looks like a terrorist, wears a vest with explosives, and carry’s a hand gun like a terrorist, then you know what “It is a Terrorist” Wake up Canadians to this invasion.

  19. M says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    How long till people don’t feel safe going out to go to the bank or the store anymore and have to realise why? Canada used to be a peaceful relaxing place. But wherever Muslims live there’s ugliness hate and problems. I was raised liberal so I know that sounds harsh. But as an adult I can look at facts and see quite clearly there’s no joy and fun anywhere Islamic. If there is it is in spite of the constantly agitatng hate preaching zealots. Why is there always that sick element among them and why do the rest of them just go along? Because with the radical terrorists in their midst they gain power and slowly take over. They know that the extreme elements scare people and bully the government and it lets them get housing, food stamps, welfare more easily. They dont want to disavow the element that keeps them a specially protected group. Islam is a death cult and its run like some kind of mafia. There is no working with them bcs they never play fair and their goal is takeover and destruction not coexistence. Without the jihadis, the rest of them wouldn’t need all the coddling and protection from “backlash”, would they?

  20. LeftisruiningCanada says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    Where was his ATT for that handgun?!?

    Oh wait, that’s right, he’s a CRIMINAL

  21. Daniel Moshe Johnson says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    Shalom Aleichem

    If this is what it is, then the open “jihad” is underway, and God forbid, billionaire Barry Sherman and wife, who were found murdered today, were not victims of a “Fatah”, his open support for channels from York University led right to Hamas and other terrorist groups.

    If this is the case, and these two incidents are works of the MIC- Muslim International Cartel, then yes, we have invited it to the door, and its in the neighborhood. I doubt these two things are related, but, what they do speak to, is a breach in what a united Jewish stance should resemble post Holocaust!

    Its not rocket science, the existence of The State of Israel under military protection 24 hours a day 7 days a week, is an indicator, that we are at war, and those connected to Israel who live outside of Israel, should become realistic or just convert and change your names.

    There is an age old opposition that has not slumbered in its aggression to the Torah!

    Oh yeah, if you doubt for a second that this isn’t about a book, then you are mistaken.

    Moral conduct is not limited to a text, but its written in ones cervical cortex, that should reflect a set of precepts and concepts, the 613.
    Unless the 613, or reduced to the 10, becomes the Constitution of any democracy, then breaches domestically and internationally will continue and eventually enter into democratic sovereigns.

    Such is the case, civil disobedience in law enforcement, the judiciary system and the public are all under attack by that which is unseen, but is played out in the seen.

    Qabbalah-which means to reveal the concealed, is a system that can guide any government or society to a moral directive where the highest levels of leadership, can never be bribed nor deviate from human service and compassion, this we have yet to see, but is possible.

    And notice how the media chooses to flood every social platform with the negative rather than even a balance of positive, why? because the perpetual energy of repetitive vibrations becomes the reality, as negative images, language, films and human exchange, sinks to the lower act of negative frequencies.

    Current positioning is important, one may disagree with the Liberal agenda of inclusion without proving, but, this is what democracy is.
    Everyone is basically an immigrant, so the narrative is difficult, but, a strong argument can be raised with the global alert of what was presented on 911, has changed the world.

    Is Islam the blame? Is the Koran the blame? should Persian and Arab people of no religious affiliation be blamed for those who take the Koran to heart literally? This is a question that each of us must ask ourselves, but be careful, many non Arabs and non Muslims have caused havoc upon this planet.

    “Judge not, lest thy be judged” this is a parsha that speaks to those inclined with a certain wisdom, for wisdom is founded upon 7 pillars in Hebrew, and those seven pillars rest upon the “yesod” foundation.

    If you wish to know more, then stay tuned to my blogs…..

    Daniel Moshe Johnson
    KINGZOFKINGZS@yahoo.com

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 5:59 pm

      Shabbat Shalom.

      “Barry Sherman”

      That’s interesting, thanks for the heads up. With so much money around, it’s anyone’s guess.

      ” if you doubt for a second that this isn’t about a book, then you are mistaken.”

      It surely is about that. Even the Nazis were out to destroy the transcendental nature of what the Jewish people represented, rather then simply Jews themselves.

      “Everyone is basically an immigrant”

      We are if we define the word widely enough, of course. With more sensible definitions, clarity results.

      “Is Islam the blame? Is the Koran the blame? should Persian and Arab people of no religious affiliation be blamed for those who take the Koran to heart literally? This is a question that each of us must ask ourselves, but be careful, many non Arabs and non Muslims have caused havoc upon this planet.”

      Islam is the blame for islamic inspired havoc, no doubt. The koran is the written source, and mohammad is the lived out source. Persians and Arabs have lived so long under the influence of both of those, that it’s hard to divide the two. That’s not to say that it can’t be divided, and many do manage to be loosed from the islamic culture, especially when they are born in the West.

      Non Arabs and non muslims are another matter, though on the same spectrum. All evil comes from the same nature. islam however provides much encouragement. Yeshua ha’Mashiach is the only way out. Call on the name of the Lord, who is alone salvation, and you shall be saved. Wouldn’t you agree?

      • Older Canadian says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 7:00 pm

        No

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 16, 2017 at 12:32 am

          “No”

          No?

      • PaulM says

        Dec 16, 2017 at 4:44 pm

        Yes, the koran is to blame, yes and yes to your other two questions. The koran is to blame in that any deranged ass wipe that follows and adheres to a piece of literally insane, babbling, drivel that tells people to rape babies and little girls, treat ALL women like shit and mercilessly beat them for no apparent reason, just because you want to and commands the out of hand killing of any and all human beings that disagree with your insane bullshit, needs to be sent back to the septic tank they crawled out of. So ya, islam and muslims are to blame. For those muslims that are not part of the violence, they are complicit in the extreme, in that they are the silent majority who do indeed agree with these barbarous acts but just sit quietly back and condone what is going on and fully agree.

        • MTMLA says

          Dec 19, 2017 at 3:48 am

          How about the western politicians (and those who voted for them) who are bringing these throwbacks to our countries and punishing those who dare speak against them and their ideology. Aren’t they even worse? They are sellouts and traitors.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 8:54 pm

      Is Islam the blame? Is the Koran the blame? should Persian and Arab people of no religious affiliation be blamed for those who take the Koran to heart literally?
      …………………

      This is not about race, as you seem to pretend, but about ideology–the savage ideology of Islam.

    • Frank Anderson says

      Dec 16, 2017 at 1:39 am

      D.M.J. only for those who don’t know, the 613 in your note almost certainly refers to the 613 Mitzvot, (singular Mitzvah) in the first 5 books of the Bible (The Torah or Pentatuch) collected and counted, I believe, by Moshe ben Maimon (Maimonedes) more than 1,000 years ago. Not only did he collect and count them, he proposed a ranking of importance that many regard with authority to this day. I do not believe they were replaced by the 10 Commandments, which may have been counted with them. To the extent that I am in error I will cheerfully accept correction. There is great wisdom and comfort to be found in Judaism.

  22. Nicola Timmerman says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    He was born in Iran. Police not giving his name as usual…

  23. Guy Macher says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    In a sane world, his estate would be suing.

  24. Undaunted says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    First one with a clear shot to the head, take it; even if he’s holding a hostage.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 9:42 pm

      Glad to hear that Canadian police actually did take him out, Undaunted.

      • Undaunted says

        Dec 15, 2017 at 9:54 pm

        Fuckin’ A.

  25. gravenimage says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 7:03 pm

    Canada: Muslim migrant with nine bombs strapped to suicide vest takes 13 hostages inside bank
    ……………………….

    Just terrorizing the “dirty Kuffar”.

    Glad no one was hurt and that the Canadian police took him out.

  26. Johnny Canuck says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    Has this been verified?
    I ask because either this story has had details added or more likely the Canadian media is whitewashing to story.
    There are no stories newer than 2 days ago, and none of them contain any details about the perpetrator or the bomb and there have been no updates to add those details or even his name.
    In other words, it sounds like Trudeau and his globalists are now actively censoring any stories that portray muslims in a bad light, even if they’re true.

  27. DogOnPorch says

    Dec 15, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    This didn’t rate as news in Western Canada…completely unaware this had happened.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 15, 2017 at 9:46 pm

      I wish I could say I’m surprised.

  28. Bill says

    Dec 16, 2017 at 12:13 am

    …..didnt he immigrate here when he was just a young boy many years ago? Seems like he was all messed up on meth too

  29. nicholas tesdorf says

    Dec 16, 2017 at 3:07 am

    Will he achieve ‘terrorist incident’ status or just be fobbed off with “mental disturbance’ by the Canadian Press and Police? This treatment will just result in insanely escalating efforts by the Jihadists.

  30. Jim says

    Dec 16, 2017 at 7:31 am

    Does anyone agree with Stefan M.s assessment that the true root cause of this is the welfare state?

    • PaulM says

      Dec 16, 2017 at 4:35 pm

      No, the root cause of this is allowing deranged muslims with their sexually deviant, fascist, dictatorial, murderous ideology into Canada, and anywhere else for that matter.

      • Older Canadian says

        Dec 17, 2017 at 10:30 am

        Excellent definition!

    • j_not_a says

      Dec 19, 2017 at 10:05 am

      Its part of it. But I disagree its the root cause. The root cause is the hijrah doctrine to spread islam. Welfare just makes hijrah a whole lot more comfortable and speeds up the process.

  31. bat 21 says

    Dec 16, 2017 at 2:05 pm

    This clown was just an average run of the mill deranged Muslim. What carnage are we going to see once Justin Trudeau’s friends “ISIS” are reintegrated into our communities.

  32. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Dec 16, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    Funny – I live here in Ka-Nada (the land of no spirit) and haven’t heard this reported AT ALL by our MSM!

  33. Steve says

    Dec 17, 2017 at 8:29 am

    But, but, but the news media keep telling us how peaceful Islam is, how wonderful Islam is. Surely they are not lying?

  34. LR says

    Dec 18, 2017 at 12:24 am

    Who knows…We can’t tell much from the news story…But, going by the story & witnesses, he was a sad, drug crazed man, and chose suicide by cop…Not a serious Jihadi at all…

    • Topped seeking out the Sun ovj_not_a says

      Dec 19, 2017 at 10:12 am

      Muslim violence is all over the jihadi spectrum it might seem. But does it always matter why? All stripes of them are poisonous and need to be kept out of our societies without exception.

  35. j_not_a says

    Dec 19, 2017 at 10:13 am

    Messed up the heading sorry

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