Sen. Salma Ataullahjan said that the word “barbaric” is “incendiary and deeply harmful, as it targets a cultural group as a whole rather than individuals who commit the specific acts.”
How does it do that? Are FGM, polygamy and forced marriage barbaric or not? If they are, they are no matter who practices them. If any culture sanctions them, they are sanctioning barbarism.
“Through conversations with my community, I heard from most that they felt the short title was directed solely at them and that from their perspective it served only to further stigmatize and alienate them from the community at large.”
It is clear which community Salma Ataullahjan is talking about. There is only one “community” that feels “stigmatized” and “alienated” by efforts by non-Muslims to preserve and defend their own cultures and mores, and protect themselves from jihad terrorism.
This is not just a matter of removing some offensive language. It is a retreat from Canada’s stand against these practices, and will make it more difficult to prosecute those who engage in them. This is, in short, a capitulation to Islamic supremacism and another opportunity to reinforce the principle that wherever Islamic law and Western law conflict, Western law must give way.
“Senate passes bill to remove mention of ‘barbaric cultural practices’ from Harper-era law,” by Marie-Danielle Smith, National Post, December 12, 2017:
OTTAWA — The Senate has approved a bill that would remove mention of “barbaric cultural practices” from a law that outlaws forced marriage.
Liberal Sen. Mobina Jaffer introduced the bill in December 2015, shortly after the Liberals won the federal election and less than six months after the previous Conservative government passed the so-called “Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act” into law.
In a speech introducing her bill — which does nothing more than remove the title of that law — Jaffer said the use of the term “barbaric” is “insulting to cultures in Canada.”
“Can we reasonably call terrorists barbaric? Yes. Are certain acts against humanity barbaric? Yes. Would any reasonable person agree with these points? Yes. Do I agree with these points? Yes,” she said at the time.
“The issue here, frankly, is the pairing of the words ‘barbaric’ and ‘cultural.’ By pairing these two words, we are instead removing the agency from the individual committing an action that is clearly wrong and associating it instead with a cultural group at large. We are implying that these practices are part of cultures and that these cultures are barbaric.”
The Conservative law, called Bill S-7 when it went through parliament, sought to address the issue of forced marriage in a few ways, including by adding polygamy as a reason to deny someone’s admission to Canada, by setting 16 as the minimum age for marriage and by creating new offences related to forced and underage marriage.
It also removed provocation by “wrongful act or insult” as a partial defence in murder cases. The legislative summary for the bill cites a 2006 case at the Ontario Court of Appeal in which a man accused of killing an allegedly unfaithful wife cited “family honour” in arguing the defence of provocation was relevant. The court disagreed and said the premise that violence against women is sometimes accepted is “antithetical” to fundamental Canadian values….
However, there is some cross-partisan consensus on the law’s title. Conservative Sen. Salma Ataullahjan agrees with Jaffer that “barbaric” is a problematic word.
The short title, “in my view, is incendiary and deeply harmful, as it targets a cultural group as a whole rather than individuals who commit the specific acts,” Ataullahjan said Monday evening in the Senate.
“Through conversations with my community, I heard from most that they felt the short title was directed solely at them and that from their perspective it served only to further stigmatize and alienate them from the community at large.”
This isn’t the first time a politician has taken issue with such language. When he was a backbench MP in 2011, now-prime minister Justin Trudeau made headlines for challenging the Conservative government’s use of the term in Canada’s citizenship guide, arguing the use of the term “barbaric” to describe “cultural practices” was not neutral enough.
“My problem with the use of the word barbaric is that it was chosen to reassure Canadians rather than actually change unacceptable behaviours,” he said on Twitter at the time, later clarifying that, yes, he did think that “all violence against women is barbaric.”
Trudeau repeated the word again last week as he responded to a question from Conservative immigration critic Michelle Rempel, taking issue with the government’s decision to remove a line about the illegality of female genital mutilation from the citizenship guide.
“We will continue to lead the way, pushing for an end to these barbaric practices of female genital mutilation, everywhere around the world and here in Canada,” he said….
concerned canadian says
canadian cucks would allow their daughters
to undergo FGM then smile proudly.
SJW points for a year !!!
mortimer says
The PM called FGM “barbaric” during question period in Parliament just a few weeks ago and caught himself in his own deep hypocrisy in this matter.
Sue says
Idiot moron just plain stupid!!! FGM IS SAVAGE!!! Try that one on for size!!!!
Andy says
Jihadi Justin Trudeau – Islamic State Of Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-rcX7s839Y
kabooooooooooooooooooooom says
Keep them coming. Expose this freak to the real world.
Andy says
http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/b-c-liberal-donor-committed-fraud-in-immigration-scheme-panel-finds
For the first time since the 2015 election, a poll shows more Canadians disapprove of Trudeau than approve.
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/trudeaus-approval-rating-falls-negative-territory-first-time/
Andy says
Here is another “Islamic player” trying to win the “Free” money handout under Trudeau’s Lieberal government
Ex-gitmo captive set to sue canada for $50 million for alleged complicity in torture- News Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdL2I4sKayM
Sue says
Fuck off idiot!!!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Sickening empty vessel, waffling, words, with, ah, nothing, saying, but, ah, love, and ah, tolerance, without, you know, ah, joined up thinking, trying desperately to ah, well, offend no one at all.
If someone designed a script to brute force it’s way into Canadian Parliament by simple repetition, they would, ah call it, ah, Justin Trudeau.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s a puppet.
No, i mean it, it really is just a puppet.
It just says things, with words and stuff, but it has no life or conception of meaning.
EVERYONE! Canada is lead by a mindless puppet, whose stuffing consists of vague communitarian ideas written on paper scrunched up into little balls, the contents of which, through voodoo magic, emanate from it’s mouth via the sounds of air expelled by mechanically powered bellows.
What good can come of this?
gravenimage says
concerned canadian, you did notice that FGM and polygamy are still illegal in Canada?
Things are dire there, no doubt, but making them out to be even worse than they are.
kabooooooooooooooooooooom says
What;s your point gravystain?
kabooooooooooooooooooooom says
And construct your communication in English language proper.
LeftisruiningCanada says
derka derka derka….
mohammadjihad!
infidel numero uno says
Barbarism emboldened and codified….UNBELIEVABLE!!!
pfwag says
Islam is barbaric.
Halal Bacon says
but, but, cultural diversity…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWLC87Uzw
LeftisruiningCanada says
You can feel the loooove…
And if you disagree…..you’re a bigot.
Andy says
https://me.me/i/breaking-news-cnn-syrian-rape-survivor-speaks-out-10-92-situation-15110240
PaulM says
Yes, if FGM is such a wonderful procedure as these ass wipes proclaim why doesn’t she and the entire female members of her family have it done, and without any anesthesia and with a pair of scissors or a piece of broken glass? What fun eh? Oh and by the way, I wonder if trudeau the Pusillanimous One would change his mind if some sick muslim sexual deviant asshole were to (God forbid) hold his daughter down and hack away at her groin with a dull spoon?…I do not wish this on any living person, I simply ask as rhetorical question to display what sickening, diseased hypocrites trudeau and his goons are.
Halal Bacon says
Trudeau would hold her down
kabooooooooooooooooooooom says
Having watched the donkey shagging video I think I better understand Trudeau. His mom shagged half the celebrity world. His wife did a weird video suggesting menstrual blood was a good mixer for your Vodka https://goo.gl/fDh7cj.
As there is suspicion Justin was fathered by Fidel Castro; might there be a link between Justin and donkeys? In this upside -down world it will not surprize me. The dude is the weirdest leader of state in modern history – except for perhaps Barry Soetoro (aka BH Obama) and that freak Macron in France (he is 39 and his wife is 64).
Mortus dog – do you have deprogramming for Justin and Macron?
gravystain – weigh in with your elliptic logic
wellybootz – desist until requested
Everybody else fire away!
gravenimage says
I see that kabooooooooooooooooooooom is sneering at Anti-Jihadists Mortimer, Wellington, and myself. It is clear from this that he would rather babble on about sex with donkeys than deal with opposing Jihad.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Whatever else kabo(ooo)om might be on about, that video from Trudeaus wife is stunningly bizarre.
Oy vey. And folk sneer at the SRA stuff……i’m starting to think it might be important……
mortimer says
Which people or ‘communities’ are the Left not afraid of STIGMATIZING or ALIENTATING AT LARGE???
They don’t mind stigmatizing anyone who disagrees with Leftism as we see!!!
Islam is the most misogynistic system on earth. The Leftists are removing protection of women in the name of RE-ELECTION strategies.
The Lib-Jihad Party of Canada are FAKE FEMINISTS.
gravenimage says
Yes–only Muslims object to these barbarities being called barbaric.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Honestly, young JT there is probably a fake everything.
Infidel says
I”m AGHAST as to how all these Muslims got into Canadian politics?? MAN!!!
LeftisruiningCanada says
They make the most noise about the most issues…..it’s democracy baby!
And it favors the loud and aggrieved.
Linda says
The Liberals can stop calling things like FGM “barbaric cultural practices”, but everyone knows that they’re still “barbaric cultural practices”. The Liberals must be VERY desperate for votes.
Benedict says
The west has evolved beyond this barbarism. Why does Canada have a bunch of cuckoos running the country ?
kabooooooooooooooooooooom says
Why did choom smoker and cocaine aficionado Barry Soetoro (aka BH Obama) last for 8 years in the last bastion of Western civilization (USA)?
Tim says
Insulting to cultures in Canada? Well who’s doing these barbaric acts? Muslims.
gravenimage says
+1
Walter Sieruk says
Polygamy is not sanctioned by God. For example God gave Adam one wife. Furthermore, in the New Testament Jesus taught “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife…” Jesus said “wife.” Not “wives” Mathew 19:5. [K.J.V.] Likewise, in First Timothy 3:2. In instructs “A bishop the must be blameless, the husband on one wife.” Here again it’s “one wife” Nevertheless, there are some people who will act as apologists for polygamy by say the king David of Israel and then later his son ,who became King Solomon of Israel did practice polygamy. Such people aren’t taking into account both the time and place. For the only reason that God did tolerate this tradition was not because it was right or that He approved of it. It was because this practice of having many wives was such an entrenched custom in the ancient Middle East that God allowed it for the above mentioned Kings of Israel. This does not mean that this custom, of polygamy, was to keep on going in other times and places.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agreed, Matt 19 is a core text for what Christ taught on Marriage.
Walter Sieruk says
As for that brutal ,cruel and vicious Islamic tradition which many Muslims male’s so inappropriately call “female circumcision” that is ,in reality a malicious Islamic custom of extreme misogyny. had been exposed in the book by Brigitte Gabriel which is entitled THEY MUST BE STOPPED, on page 178 it reveals the awful truth that “One of the most devastating practices to young girls of the Islamic world is female genital mutilation . Young girls have their clitoris removed without anesthesia …”
CRUSADER says
AMEN!
Brigitte Gabriel is a clarion call to us in North America !
gravenimage says
Brigitte Gabriel is a great heroine. Here is my “Heroes Against Jihad” tribute to her:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/gravenimageartist/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyMTExNTk3OQ==/?ref=1
LeftisruiningCanada says
Like the Geert Wilders one especially GI, he’s an anti-jihad hero of mine.
CRUSADER says
Wonder what Irshad Manji would say about what’s occurring in her Canada…..
gravenimage says
CRUSADER, to her credit Irshad Manji is opposed to things like FGM. But at the same time, she likes to pretend that these savageries ultimately have nothing to do with Islam:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2016/01/transcript-irshad-manji-islamophobia-160123075229052.html
Tim says
They just do not want upset Muslims because of Islamophobia.
M says
I’m sure Hitler would have liked to outlaw calling Nazis “bad”.
If we are going to have adjectives outlawed…..I mean if its barbaric we need to call it barbaric. Why are these idiots basically defending FGM?
Anyway, if you can’t call something barbaric barbaric, then, you’re supposed to….not talk about it and let it continue? Is that the goal?
I need the right to talk and think as I please. That’s one of the reasons I follow the issue of Muslim invasion….it brings with it limitations to my freedom of speech. Islam is not compatible with a free society.
The liberals say its just fine…. That I’m a ” racist ” if I dont want my country changed till its unrecognizable, if I don’t want Islam taught in public schools, if I don’t want cult members blocking the streets “praying”, if I don’t want to be worried about being arrested for saying a banned WORD, if I don’t want to be afraid when gathering in a public area for a holiday…the list of what their invasion is doing is depressing.
I wonder about leftists says
I am the same “racist” as M is, and I don’t want the same things as he does not want.
And they still think we should be happy with their coming to us, so we can become decent countries, raised by muslims of Islam.!
simpleton1 says
Certainly plenty more words to be used.
Then other innocuous words can be used where every one will still get the meaning.
Darryl Kerney says
for the idiots in charge now, the problem isn’t what it is to sensible people,
it’s that the Conservatives used the WRONG WORD,
and worse yet, gasp, MISUSED the Liberal’s beloved word TOLERANCE.
for Liberals “tolerance” means one must accept any “cultural” practices
without “judging”, in simple terms “Liberal” means anything goes if there’s any
way that it could possibly be seen by anyone to even remotely “offend” someone
if you even disagree with it, let alone denounce it as, barbaric.
i always ask if they will say cannibalism is barbaric,
and if so, why not forced marriage and FGM too ?
i’m convinced that the Left has pulled off a frighteningly effective language manipulation
campaign to stupefy the public, confusing many into believing the opposite of what they think they do,
because the meaning of WORDS has been altered and incorrect words have been substituted in package deals that FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMS the concepts themselves. THAT is why things seem, for us “old stock” dinosaurs, to have been tipped topsy turvy, why so much seems as though there’s a mass hypnotization making people believe that what’s self destructive for them is GOOD, and what’s beneficial for their survival and well being is BAD for them.
the most accurate WORD for this affliction i know of to date is,
Altruism.
whenever it becomes the dominant opinion, dictatorship is soon to occur.
Older Canadian says
It is a cultural practice.
It is barbaric.
Period.
gravenimage says
But this is not just culture–it is also religion. That is why so many Muslim clerics have come out against ending FGM.
PRCS says
The issue is the law’s title.
Not it’s content.
Older Canadian says
Our canadian senate is corrupt.
Older Canadian says
Yes agree but religion creates a culture and v.s.
PRCS says
The example I used below: seal hunting.
kabooooooooooooooooooooom says
gravystain – Religion is an inherent component of Culture.
PRCS says
I agree with this.
The current law is titled “Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act”.
IMO, whomever or whatever group came up with that name, and enacted it into law, didn’t think it through.
To many people, the manner in which Canada’s indigenous population has hunted–for thousands of years–(seal hunting, for example, which remains legal there) constitutes a subjective interpretation of “barbaric cultural practices”.
It’s the title that’s at issue–not the content, which remains unchanged (as I understand it) from the article.
“In a speech introducing her bill — which does nothing more than remove the title of that law — Jaffer said the use of the term “barbaric” is “insulting to cultures in Canada.””
gravenimage says
Any decent person who is not blinded by “political correctness” *does* consider FGM to be barbaric.
PRCS says
I didn’t see FGM in the article.
Did you?
Lydia says
They just don’t want folks to call barbaric acts, barbaric, so it’s “okay” that the acts themselves are barbaric, they just don’t want anyone calling them “barbaric,” because if anyone says that barbaric acts are barbaric, then they would be exercising their freedom of speech rights, and they don’t want them doing that, because…. hold on here… oh yeah, they are also barbaric and want to curtail human rights such as freedom of speech.
Just like criminals don’t want you calling criminal activity ‘criminal.’
Because it is!
gravenimage says
Canadian Senate passes bill to remove mention of “barbaric cultural practices” from law banning FGM, polygamy
………………………
Why is Canada banning these things if she does not consider them barbaric?
PRCS says
It’s not banning them.
Cheer Bear Girl says
Canada is the North American Caliphate. They have been conquered. Trump needs to build a wall between us and Canada too.
PRCS says
I didn’t see FGM in the article.
Did you?
Older Canadian says
I do not give a damn if anyone or any group is offended at calling FGM barbaric.
If anyone is offended by calling FGM barbaric it is only because they endorse it.
This is Canada. Canada who claims that females are people also. But then of course women have only been classified/recognized as “persons” since 1929.
Egad in Canada we do not cut off body parts of our most dangerous rapists, because why? Would that be considered barbaric or is it because they are men.
I am disgusted and outraged at our senate.
Glad I am old, I can see where all this is going. You have only one life. My heart is in sorrow mode especially for all of you out there who are just starting out.
PRCS says
The National Post article wasn’t about Islam or FGM.
It was about the law’s poorly worded title, not the law’s content.
“Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act”
Which–to many–would include seal hunting.
UNCLE VLADDI says
But hadn’t you heard?! Being angry at (“hateful” towards) criminals is now the most vile sin, while pitying (“tolerating”) them all as “fellow victims,” is to be deemed the highest moral virtue, these days!
So much so, that the only advice we hear from “our” hypocrite governments, their pet media, and the corporazi globalist banksters who own them all, seems to invariably be:
“Anyone who doesn’t automatically pity all criminals as fellow victims should be hated!”
Which is why hurting the feelings of criminals by accusing them of their crimes, is now a “hateful” crime itself!
UNCLE VLADDI says
Turdeau’s Canadian government pays guilty white liberal feminists doctors to perform FGM in Canada!
http://vladdi.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/culturally-sensitive-female-canadian-gynecologists-provide-legal-fgm/
Turdeau is simply doubling down on his pre-election assertion that “honour” murders of women and FGM shouldn’t be called “barbaric” because that would, you know, hurt the barbarians’ precious feewings.
And THAT must always be avoided at all costs (to YOU, not to them, of course, you hateful racist bigots)!
😉
Charles says
Half of my extended family live in Canada. Both my Moms parents were were born there.
Today, the leadership of Canada seems composed of fools and imbeciles. If my Grand parents knew this, why they would spin like tops, in their graves!
Very soon, the izlamic conquest of Canada will be complete!
I hope they enjoy their oppression!
MFritz says
The inconvenient truth does not go away, no matter how much they try to censor those saying it.
David says
Do any of you fine people know a website that you are allowed to spew anti muslim hate? I know I cannot do it on here. .