French authorities know what they’ve done to their country. They know what’s coming. So it is not too early for them to start bowing to their new masters.
“France allows Muslim street prayers but bans Christmas movie because it was ‘too Christian,’” Voice of Europe, December 26, 2017:
France is a secular Republic, because it separates religion and state and it mostly sees religion as a private matter; restricted to the home and places of worship.
But for years, France has allowed Muslim street prayers and to heavily criticise them was simply not done. Sometimes even roads were blocked and cars were being redirected to make room for Muslim street prayers. It looks like when Islam is involved, France’s secular principles have suddenly disappeared.
For Christianity in France it’s a totally different story. According to the European Post, a Christmas movie in the French city of Langon was banned, because it was “too Christian”, or “not secular enough”. The European Post writes:
A Christmas movie was judged by teachers as “not secular enough” and was therefore banned from schools in the French city of Langon in the department of Gironde on 13 December.
83 students of a French school started to watch the movie “The Star“, a computer animated adventure comedy based on the history of Jesus, a movie produced by Columbia Pictures.
But when the teachers realised the subject of the movie was the nativity of Jesus Christ, they immediately cancelled it because it was “not secular enough”. All students were obliged to go back to school without watching the end of the movie.
Earlier France’s “one-sided secularism” showed its ugly face as well: France’s highest administrative court ordered in November to remove a cross from a Pope John Paul II statue in Ploërmel near Brittany. The same court ordered to remove a Nativity scene in the municipal hall of the town of Béziers in the same month….
Bodega says
I guess everyone knows Europe is now a member of the Caliphate. Is Soros the demigod?
Aarne Bittner says
You can see Germany as a turkish province nowadays. ??
Barbara Paolucci says
From what I’ve read, France’s government is totally supported by the Saudi government. So the French have to obey their masters.
Save Europe says
I think it’s so VERY important to note that EVERY Western country has so stupidly aligned themselves with the Saudis and Qataris – examples? Saudi owns around 6 percent of American debt…..the USA like the UK still sell the Saudis billions of dollars/pounds worth of weaponry……we are still financing them by buying their oil and gas….this need to stop!!! Immediately! Do not buy from them, sell to them and STOP them from expanding. ASAP!!! Even G W Bush jr – a Republican – espoused as much pro Islamic rhetoric as O’Bummer!!!! Vote Trump AND only vote those who succeed him, as having the same identical mentality, or otherwise the USA is just as messed up as Europe – you’re merely several decades behind us. That’s the truth.
Bill says
True.
b.a. freeman says
Save Europe, we civilized people (non-muslims) need to do more than just stop dealing with saudi arabia, qatar, et al.; we need to impose a *blockade* one them. the blockade needs to be both physical and digital. muslims, even (especially!) pious ones, are actually victims of a mind disease, so we to isolate them, not kill them, much as victims of diseases used to be quarantined before vaccines for them existed. we do not want their disease to propagate further into civilization, however, so it is *imperative* that they be isolated. more than likely, most adults with this disease can never be cured (although God does work miracles), so once their governments collapse, we need to send in occupation troops. the muslim hellholes will need to be occupied for a few centuries, or perhaps for just one generation, if we could do as one blogger i read recently proposed, we could remove all children from their homes so that they would not be poisoned by the mind disease of their parents (since very young children are very impressionable, and things learned in very early childhood are not easily unlearned).
none of this is ever going to happen, however, so we must resign ourselves to many civil wars (not to mention wars of aggression by pirates like erdogan of turkey), probably lasting for decades, if not centuries, and taking the lives of millions, before we can rid ourselves of the vile disease of islam. civilization *might* survive, but, i suspect, only at the cost of freedom, which is mostly going to end around the planet. it may arise again some day, but that day will not likely come for some centuries.
M says
What about that Bin Salman guy gaining power there though? He is changing KSA to be more moderate he wants to build a futuristic mega city called Neom and he knows is has to be secular and not sabotaged by fanatics. That’s why he is also going to deal with Iran funded Huthis in Yemen who keep agitating and bothering KSA.
I’m hopeful that the new prince has a modern vision and that he understands crazed Islam is complete crap.
Lydia Church says
It can’t be “too” Christian!
France is not ‘Christian’ enough, that is the problem!
It is now too muslim!
They hate Christianity anyway and this is just a good excuse for them to launch their attack.
Lydia Church says
Plus, like I have been saying…
if I owned the theater, I’d play the movie ANYWAY!
In the end all of us must choose: it’s either 1. bow to the Lord Jesus, or 2. bow to the devil.
Save Europe says
I’m going to say this Lydia, in all honesty. Let’s be frank here – in the West we are more in a War between the vile Left and sensible Right. I’m a Limey – you have mental Leftists in the USA, as do we here in the Uk, as does France, Germany etc. it’s TRULY important never to generalise not mock, inadvertently. The French, who, for example, voted for MLP need urgent support! As do those who voted Brexit in the UK or the AfD in Germany etc ?
theopholus says
Boycott France. Follow the money and money definitely talks. That’s why European leaders cater to the Muslims.
J D S says
Europe’s leaders have lost their minds and desperately need to get medical help…or at least quit smoking that stuff…it’s damaging their brain..and what about the European people why are they not outraged with what is being set as the norm by their leaders…Maybe I had not better say too much on that point we here in the U.S. are on a slippery slope with only a few willing to speak out and with the MSM on the wrong side…well ………..
b.a. freeman says
J D S, even here is the u.s., with the first amendment supposedly protecting our freedom of speech, one must censor what one says for fear of drawing the unwanted attention of the leftist nazis. they will ensure that U lose your job, and are unable to get another. if they can’t get U fired, they will sue U, and if those attacking U are pious muslims, they will have saudi money behind them, so even if U eventually win, it will only be because U had to quit your job, sell your house, and spend every penny U have in court defending yourself. lawyers will take cases on contingency in the u.s., meaning that they will defer collecting the majority of their fees until they win for U in court, but there are *still* minor fees that must be paid, and if U can’t pay those, the lawyers drop out. such “minor” fees can sometimes be hundreds or thousands of dollars. the leftists or saudi-backed criminals (pious muslims) who are attacking U will make U spend so much time in court that it is unlikely that U will be able to keep a job, and U will in all likelihood have to sell most, if not all your possessions, to defend yourself. if U do not defend yourself, the criminals win by default, and U will have to pay the penalties as well as court costs. the whole process is called “lawfare.”
thus, besides working on-line to educate *everybody* (including nominal leftists, who are leftist only because that’s what they learned in public schools (indoctrination centers)), one must be careful what one says unless one has a lot of money. and in that case, i wouldn’t make it widely-known that i did have enough money to defend myself.
MTMLA says
If they speak up they are arrested or fined.
Bodega says
I think anyone who questions whether nor not Europe is a bonafide member of the Caliphate doesn’t have to worry about that anymore. What a shame.
We, here in the States, must redouble our efforts to not concede a road, or a murder or a jihadi to the Muslims. No Sharia. No NO Areas. No concessions.
M says
All Islamic propaganda needs to be taken OUT of our schools. If anyone has kids that get homework where they have to copy out the 5 pillars of Islam or that conversion statement or any other garbage pushing islam…YOU NEED TO COMPLAIN.
gravenimage says
France allows Muslim street prayers but bans Christmas movie as “too Christian”
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Suicidal insanity.
eduardo odraude says
To keep this in perspective: it seems the movie was not banned in France. If I read the story right, the film was banned only from the French state schools, and perhaps only from schools in a certain district. That’s bad, but I presume that anyone will still be able to watch the film outside of school hours.
gravenimage says
I knew that, Eduardo–thanks.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“83 students of a French school started to watch the movie “The Star“, a computer animated adventure comedy based on the history of Jesus, a movie produced by Columbia Pictures.
But when the teachers realised the subject of the movie was the nativity of Jesus Christ, they immediately cancelled it because it was “not secular enough”. All students were obliged to go back to school without watching the end of the movie.”
Wow, that’s impressive, even for left leaning secularists. There’s hope that such overtly bonkers reactions like this will wake up a few.
The confusion in France is a symptom of the real contradictions in the Left. Islam is able to bring these out. In a way that’s interesting and not all bad, but of course it won’t stop at that. If allowed, islam will carry on until only itself remains, regardless of how much hand wringing is done in the mean time.
Emilie Green says
Does French law have an equal protection of the laws concept?
Anyone know?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Every country in the West has that.
Must islam is way more equal.
ciudadano says
Obviously “secular” is just double-speak for anti christian. Both, atheists and Islamists, systematically use “secularism” as an excuse to suppress anything christian from public sight.
eduardo odraude says
Yet Christ’s message was a major factor leading to “secular” governments. “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, to God the things that are God’s.” And, “my kingdom is not of this world.” Christ’s message, when understood, leads to principles like those in the First Amendment: non-establishment and free exercise.
gravenimage says
This is true.
Unfortunately, unlike the US, France takes a reductive approach, which is more apt to ban things than to allow a multiplicity.
If only it did this with Islam, as well, it might be livable.
Blangwort says
This is what happens when you don’t have a strident right to freedom of speech and right to freedom of religion and expression.
Europeans thought that if they could only ban the evil speech, whatever that was, that they could somehow keep those base tendencies at bay.
What they didn’t realize is that someone has to declare what evil speech is. All a conquering force has to do is to subvert that function. Then it will be illegal to say that Islam is flawed.
And now they’re not ready for the result. This is why the Bill of Rights is so important. If they can teach the pillars of Islam, they can teach Christianity. And if they can’t teach Christianity, they can tell the Islamists to keep their dirty little religion to themselves.
D Austin says
No surprise Europe is going to Hell! A bunch of post-Christian European eggheads decided that after centuries of acting like the Hatfields and the McCoys, the path to a permanent peace was for all of them to open a joint bank account with unlimited overdraft. How they ever thought that was a good idea, I will never know.
CRUSADER says
“The Star” made too much of a joke about frankincense, myrrh, and the gold….not noting what these gifts * actually meant * ; but passed them off as “just something to give”….
…but in general the movie should’ve appealed to a cross section of contemporary audiences….
* https://drericz.com/truth-about-gold-frankincense-and-myrrh/
AvantiBev says
The irony here is that the Magi were Zoroastrian wise men & astronomers whom the warriors of Islam would attempt to completely wipe out 700 years later. Apostate Iranian Muslims often turn – if not to atheism – to their ancestor’s religion calling themselves both PERSIAN and ZOROASTRIANS.
If I were not so strong a ROMAN Catholic, the current pope and his apostasy would have me considering building another temple to Jupiter and Juno. 🙂
LeftisruiningCanada says
There are other options
robert ferguson says
If France becomes Moslem, the damage to world governance is incalculable — don’t forget that France is a nuclear power. France and Germany both have made huge political mistakes, along with other European countries such as Sweden and Spain and even Great Britain. The great difficulty for western civilization is that we have the soft underbelly of religious tolerance, and almost no countries that are willing to step up and say jihadi Islam is a hate and murder cult and NOT a religion. It may be a faith, but it is not a religion. So, if France becomes Moslem, there will be world war. Why countries can not take pre-emptive action in the face of extermination of their culture in the morass of militant Islam is a mystery, a tragic mystery, of uber-liberal western democracies. They court death by political correctness. What needs to happen is the peace-loving Muslims actually must congregate and become active allies of western culture and they can do that by creating a New Testament of Islam. Otherwise, France, Germany, et alia, will eventually be forced to fight door to door to expel their executionary ‘refugees,’ and the United States will have to help our NATO allies, and ourselves, force the evil genie back into the bottle. Civilization is not the same thing as culture. To survive as a nation, as a world civilization, right-thinking people must accept the situation as it is, stop respecting murder cults as religions, and take draconian steps to protect our nations and our ways of life. All emigrants must be shipped back to their home countries, alive or in coffins, or our world will be destroyed. Islam is not a civil system, it is a conquering, evangelical, by-any-means from child rapist to suicidal monster cult. But it is only capable of terror attacks, now. Keep tolerating jihadi Islam and they will ruin our civilzation the way feral hogs ruin a potato field.
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b.a. freeman says
Robert, there have been a couple of “revsions” of islam, specifically, the ahmadiyya and the bahá’í faith (and probably some others); both these faiths are based on islam, but claim that their 19th-century prophets were the last prophets, not muhammed. the creature muhammed made sure, however, that revision was virtually impossible by calling “innovation” apostasy, and assigning the death penalty to either. nobody really knows how may ahmadis or bahá’í there really are, because in every muslim-majority nation, their adherents are brutalized and murdered, without penalties by the State; it is safer to stay underground in such circumstances.
thus, because revision has been such a terrible failure, we non-muslims are foolish to depend on them. we should encourage these folks, of course, but the ultimate end needs to be total containment of the mind disease that is islam. ironically, it is the fastest-growing “faith” in the world, but that is only because muslims have far more children than civilized people; conversions to islam are relatively rare, and happen at rates far below any other religion.
gravenimage says
Yes. And even the Ahmadi–while they reject violent Jihad–still seek the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law.
And the Baha’i do not consider themselves Muslims–although they tie themselves in ethical knots trying to whitewash the career of the vicious “Prophet” Muhammed.
M says
Right….and what do the French think their new masters will do with the art in their museums? Continue to maintain and preserve it? Or….burn it as trash? After all a nude oil painting of a white woman is not sharia compliant is it? So Europe can say goodbye to all its artifacts and masterpieces if Muslims are in charge. They do NOT preserve anything. They do not respect anything. Crazed nihilistic death cult barbarians can’t take over and run what has been in place for centuries.
Jacqueline Robnett says
Your concepts are on point and accurate, Mr. Ferguson. Can you get them published where the average citizen can read them? You are preaching to the choir on this website.
Truth 101 says
France has basically been a country in decline since the French Revolution, Napoleon notwithstanding.
gravenimage says
I would not go that far–creating some of the greatest art the world has ever known is quite an achievement.
Redji says
Ah France…..Used to be such a beautiful Country……
You know, the same was said about Egypt, before Islam showed up.
There is a History Lesson there……….But, like so many today, they
expect to be able to stick their heads in a fire and come out undamaged…..
Ignore History and pay the price.
CRUSADER says
Hail Bonaparte!
Although he had his own dabbling of invading Egypt and sieging Acre….
….he also, nonetheless, seems to have been ascribed to have become partial to Islam….
but this historicity and validity of this speculation remains to be proven….
gravenimage says
I am no fan of Napoleon, who I consider a tyrant–but his alleged admiration of Islam never seemed very deep to me. This was more throwing a bone to the conquered Egyptians, I think.
Karen says
“France is a secular Republic, because it separates religion and state and it mostly sees religion as a private matter; restricted to the home and places of worship.”
Restricted to the home and places of worship…an interesting choice of words. This is the idea the Left has been trying to brainwash people with for decades. Many people in Western societies actually believe it’s their civic obligation to downplay their religious viewpoints, particularly Christians. Nothing could be further from the truth. We have freedom of religion, expression, and conscience. We don’t have to practice religion in the shadows.
I don’t know if the Voice of Europe has an ideological bias, or if this choice of words was innocent or sloppy. But on the surface it may indicate how conditioned by the Left people have become.
Guy Forester says
Whenever the State is used to enforce Religion (regardless of type) or as with communism, enforce atheism, nothing good comes of it.
I would like to hear the French government explain how it is that something can be too Christian to be presented in a school, yet the public can be excluded from a public road or sidewalk when these are appropriated for a religious ceremony. Anyone besides us on this website see the hypocrisy here?
b.a. freeman says
no.
LR says
Dear France,
If this story is true, I hope you French politicians grow some courage really soon, and stand up for your own heritage.
MFritz says
But Ramadan IS secular enough?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer is now experiencing nervous shock to hear that Muslims are allowed to say their obligatory prayers in public in Europe due to hatred towards Islam unlike the case in the evil United States where thugs kick Muslims at the back while praying. where is Freedom of religion Mr Spencer said he advocating for?A liar!!
Hector Archytas says
How do you kknow this ? Have you got a brain reading machine ? Are you Allah or Jean Grey ? Buddha and Socrate tried to learn yourself and never invented thee thought of others. This is idolatry !!!
Jack Dawkins says
Bite muhammad’s penis.
b.a. freeman says
i’m sure he would if he could. it seems that a slave girl once drank the “profit’s” urine, according to sahih ahadith, so our buddy would no doubt be thrilled to have a go at the source, as it were.
MFritz says
Please don’t feed the troll! This criminal has been paid to provoke reactions. Just ignore him and he will go away and Mr Soros will be unhappy.
b.a. freeman says
ibrahim, i am praying that God will heal your soul, and bring U into His family. He loves U very much, and does not want U to continue down the path of depravity and criminality that U have been following. muhammed was a psychotic monster, twisted by sin, and millions of people have died, will hundreds of millions more suffering, because of his derangement. until the day U die, the Lord will be calling to U to come to Him. please come to Him!
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr Spencer is now experiencing nervous shock to hear that Muslims are allowed to say their obligatory prayers in public in Europe due to hatred towards Islam unlike the case in the evil United States where thugs kick Muslims at the back while praying. where is Freedom of religion Mr Spencer said he advocating for?A liar!!
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What a load of tripe. Freedom of religion does not mean allowing aggressive Muslims to take over public streets.
And the idea that Robert Spencer is shocked by this is absurd–supremacist Muslims have been doing this for years, wherever they have been allowed to get away with it.
And where does he get this crap about Americans kicking praying Muslims? I have not found a single case. As usual, Ibrahim itace muhammed spreads calumny about Infidels–especially Americans.
MTMLA says
It’d be nice if it happened, though.
MTMLA says
A hard swift kick in the butt so they’d fly all the way back to the sandy hell hole they came from.
Hector Archytas says
I am French. Atheism is a marxist bigotry here.
They were afraid of the atheist parent and not by the muslim one.The movie would pass the muslim censure as the myth is accepted in Islam as a truth and there is nothing about the doctrine of Salvation.
A movie about the apostle Paul would have more difficulties. Not sure if the anti-refugees cartoon “The angry bird” is welcome in france.
gravenimage says
Hector, you are right about Atheists in France.
But Muslims violently reject the story of Jesus, and regularly murder Christians because of it.
Recently, we have seen Muslims in Europe tearing down crosses and desecrating nativity scenes.
MTMLA says
How about the old priest who was decapitated in France?
gravenimage says
Yes–what horror.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Satan (Holy Spirit) worshiper Gravenimage, people in Europe are now becoming desatisfied with filthy pagan Christianity and it will die there. Can you resuscitate it after death?
Champ says
More inane lies from the imbecile, and he is predicting the certain outcome of islam; since there are many news reports of muslims converting to Christianity in Europe.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Champ.
While firm numbers are difficult to come by, it seems that many more Muslims in Europe are leaving Islam than are Infidels converting to that foul creed. And I have not found any actual cases of Christians converting to Islam.
“Muslim refugees are converting to Christianity in Germany”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/muslim-refugees-converting-to-christianity-in-germany-crisis-asylum-seekers-migrants-iran-a7466611.html
“What’s driving Muslim refugees to Christianity?
Europe’s churches have baptized hundreds of former Muslims in recent years
https://world.wng.org/2017/03/what_s_driving_muslim_refugees_to_christianity
gravenimage says
Also, notice that the appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed has not a word of criticism for his vicious coreligionists beheading an elderly priest. *Ugh*.
Coach Martin says
The Islamic community and the Christian community are roughly the same size. The Islamic vote is more predictable and less suicidal than the Christian vote; so the Muslim vote will win every time. Christianity is on its way out. France is morally finished.They are effectively in a civil war and losing.
gravenimage says
Coach Martin, Muslims make up about 8% of the population in France. Christians make up about 65% of the population.
These are *not* “roughly the same size.
It is just that Muslims are aggressive and violent, and Christians are not.
MTMLA says
And the muslims are supported by the politicians and the midia, but the Christians are not tolerated when they react.
gravenimage says
Also grimly true.
Chris Malan says
Make no mistake, liberals dislike Christianity.
gravenimage says
Not all Liberals, Chris–I know quite a few Liberals who are themselves Christian.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Satan (Holy Spirit) worshiper Gravenimage, people in Europe are now becoming desatisfied with filthy pagan Christianity and it will die there. Can you resuscitate it after death?
gravenimage says
You can always tell when Ibrahim itace muhammed is especially unhinged over something, because he just randomly spams. Of course, I already replied to his absurd post above:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/12/france-allows-muslim-street-prayers-but-bans-christmas-movie-as-too-christian#comment-1802953