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“Moderate” Malaysia: Mufti asks, Why pray for a non-Muslim to reach heaven?

Dec 23, 2017 2:36 pm By Robert Spencer

They’re all going to hell anyway: “O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” (Qur’an 9:73)

“It is not for the Prophet and those who believe to pray for the forgiveness of unbelievers even though they may be near of kin after it has become clear that they are people of hellfire.” [Qur’an 9:113)

“Why pray for non-Muslims to reach heaven? Perak mufti asks after K-pop star vigil (VIDEO),” Malay Mail, December 23, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 23 — Perak mufti Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria claimed today that Muslims are forbidden from joining the candlelight vigil in memory of the Korean pop star who died of suspected suicide this week.

The mufti asked about the necessity for Muslims to pray for a deceased non-Muslim to go to heaven especially when he allegedly committed suicide, after Astro Awani contacted him for his opinion.

“Cannot. You’re forbidden from doing that. If the artist or individual was Muslim, we gift him the al-Fatihah verse. If it’s a non-Muslim, why would we pray heaven for him instead?

“What more he committed suicide, why would we follow the culture of infidels? What for?” he was quoted saying.

In 2015, the national fatwa council had declared that participating in candlelight vigils is “haram”, or forbidden for Muslims.

The reason given was because such vigils are similar to other religions’ practice, and may threaten a Muslim’s faith.

On Thursday night, around 100 fans of the late Kim Jong-hyun from various ethnic and religious backgrounds gathered near Dataran Merdeka in the capital for a candlelight vigil in memory of him.

Coming from all over the Klang Valley, they held up glow sticks, torches, balloons and flowers as they mourned him. Most who attended were students….

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  1. StellaSaidSo says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    Saudi Arabia has Malaysia by the balls.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 23, 2017 at 7:45 pm

      Just like Jibril had mohammad by the neck. Lovely.

      • Moa says

        Dec 24, 2017 at 12:19 am

        Mohammed didn’t exist. He is a work of mythology. The archeology shows this clearly
        “An Historical Critique of Islam’s Beginnings”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0

        Sky ghosts cannot have mythological men by the anything, since neither exist or existed.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 24, 2017 at 2:04 pm

          mohammad may or may not have been a real person, in mecca or not, i’m not sure right now. Arguing against islam on it’s own terms is quite possible though, so that’s what i’m aiming for at the moment, since muslims are going to be more willing to listen to that rather than an outright denial of mohammad, coming from an atheist.

  2. PRCS says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    I know just the right guy!

  3. Westman says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 5:15 pm

    The egocentric star of Islam shines brightly, like a flophouse sign, for all to clearly see the contrast of its bright presentation to the seedy, unkept reality of its residents internal hopelessness.

    When the only assured path to Janna is martyrdom as a Muslim, why, indeed, pray for unbelievers who didn’t kill any kufr on their way to suicide.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 23, 2017 at 7:48 pm

      Indeed. While it doesn’t concern me to lack the prayers of those who unknowingly beseech satan, it does show the spirit of islam that they express no hope of forgiveness for others.

    • Carol says

      Dec 27, 2017 at 12:09 am

      Zakaria demonstrates Islamic apartheid. Candlelight vigils are declared haram – a deliberate divider just like the hijab. Mutual human sympathies are not to be recognized and cultivated since the Islamic version of religion makes this not even secondary but in fact a COMPETING force. A sense of supremacy and superiority is instead their heart’s delight which their empty souls feed upon. It appears we are wasting our time expecting that familiarity and the human element will break down barriers and open their minds. Islam is run by a self-important old boys club supported by the bloody flesh of violent, brainwashed boys and exploited, brainwashed girls. Life is cheap to them. Their spiritual heights reach only so high as a bordello in the sky. Islam is an unworthy problem child.

    • Carol says

      Dec 27, 2017 at 12:09 am

      Zakaria demonstrates Islamic apartheid. Candlelight vigils are declared haram – a deliberate divider just like the hijab. Mutual human sympathies are not to be recognized and cultivated since the Islamic version of religion makes this not even secondary but in fact a COMPETING force. A sense of supremacy and superiority is instead their heart’s delight which their empty souls feed upon. It appears we are wasting our time expecting that familiarity and the human element will break down barriers and open their minds. Islam is run by a self-important old boys club supported by the bloody flesh of violent, brainwashed boys and exploited, brainwashed girls. Life is cheap to them. Their spiritual heights reach only so high as a bordello in the sky. Islam is an unworthy problem child.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Dec 27, 2017 at 12:28 pm

        It was so good, it was worth saying twice 🙂

  4. Richard says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    Dear Westman: Don’t remind them of that! That’s all we need!!!!!

  5. Voytek Gagalka says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    There are over 200 direct references to “hellfire” in the Qur’an. That over the top of 300 indirect mentioning of “torments” or “punishments” (in hell) for all non-(sufficiently)-Muslim and kuffar (disbelievers), which with total number of all 6236 verses makes “hell” being referenced on average every 20th verse of that book. BTW, who from between of non-Muslim would even wish to be prayed by those who deny absolutely everything which Christianity or Judaism or any other religion stands for? It would be like listening to noise of scratches during audition of good music. Their “prayers” are NOT welcome; they are absolutely WORTHLESS and should be treated as such, even if attempted.

  6. Thomas Kimball says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    That idiots prayers wouldn’t help me anyway , I don’t need a satin worshipper praying for me!

  7. StellaSaidSo says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    The stupidity of these Koranderthals knows no bounds. If ‘Allah’ were any sort of a god, he would be embarrassed.

    • James says

      Dec 24, 2017 at 12:17 am

      Since allah is simply Mo’s glove-puppet, who moves only because Mo shoves his hand up him – that being how glove-puppets work – allah won’t be embarrassed.

  8. gravenimage says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    “Moderate” Malaysia: Mufti asks, Why pray for a non-Muslim to reach heaven?

    “What more he committed suicide…”
    …………………..

    Muslims heartily approve of suicide if it is accompanied by the mass slaughter of Infidels, though…

    • Karen says

      Dec 24, 2017 at 2:35 pm

      Strange contrast-the New Testament says “there is no greater love” than laying down your life for a friend. And Islam glorifies the suicide-killer of Infidles.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 25, 2017 at 12:15 am

        Yes–compare and contrast.

  9. Matthieu Baudin says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 11:24 pm

    Malaysia is a special country to follow in all the ups and downs of the current International Jihad and pressures within the Muslim World. With significant corruption scandals near the top, together with gradually increasing standards of living for ordinary Malaysians there is currently a pervasive impatience that feels pre-revolutionary. Different groups will exploit this anxiety and disquiet and one hopes that strong political alliances aren’t forged unwisely with puritanical religious movements.

  10. sidney penny says

    Dec 23, 2017 at 11:48 pm

    MMM

    Moderate Modern Malaysia

  11. James says

    Dec 24, 2017 at 12:14 am

    I totally agree with the speaker. Muslim Heaven sounds pretty Hellish to me. What could be more repellent than eternal coitus with dozens of perpetually virgin females, and possible, shagging boys as well ? Whether one is straight or gay, that sounds extremely boring. The idea of a Heaven that is one long bout of unending sensual indulgence sounds utterly horrible. Hellish, in fact. Especially because it appears to have nothing about it of the spiritual qualities that alone make earthly life pleasant: friendship, the company of others within the bond of friendship, mutual affection, shared faith in God, shared falth in Christ, communion in and with Christ, or the anticipation while on earth of the Kingdom of God that is to come. I would not want the Muslim Heaven, ever.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 24, 2017 at 12:26 am

      “Especially because it appears to have nothing about it of the spiritual qualities that alone make earthly life pleasant”

      Sharia doesn’t have any of that about it in the earthly life either. Well, not much. Nonnie Darwish is good on the social side of living under islam.

  12. Ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 24, 2017 at 1:28 am

    surely anyone who receives clear message of Islam and insists on rejecting it up-to the time of his/her death, will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire together with Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost the Satan who inspired him to reject Islam. so, praying for forgiveness for him will be a futile exercise.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 24, 2017 at 2:41 am

      We all see quite a bit of true islam on this site everyday, and gladly reject it.

      You on the other hand, are trusting the example and teachings of a false prophet to make you acceptable in God’s sight.

      It would be better if you read about the true Jesus in the Gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John, and started trusting in His work in life and on the Cross to make you acceptable to the Father, because no matter how hard you try, it’s all worthless, Ibrahim.

      Even the good things you might do in spite of mohammads example are worthless, let alone the evil you commit when you follow him.

      Repent Ibrahim, Trust in Jesus the Messiah. Freedom in this life, and an eternal life with God in the next.

      You must see how evil islam is Ibrahim. Look around you. Look inside you. Not much peace is there.

      • Ibrahim itace muhammed says

        Dec 24, 2017 at 3:52 am

        Lifruinicanada, I accept Jesus as messager of Almighty God like other Prophets before him conveying message of monotheism to mankind, not as God or son of God which is an adoption of paganism of mithraism of old inspired by the Satan Christians Call Holy Spirit .follow our way before death, otherwise you will regret when there is not coming back. Hurry up!!

        • CRUSADER says

          Dec 24, 2017 at 8:11 am

          “Not Peace But a Sword: The Great Chasm Between Christianity and Islam … ”

          book by Robert Spencer

          https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17268296-not-peace-but-a-sword

          Robert Spencer is a careful observer of Islam and a courageous voice on behalf of Christ…

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 24, 2017 at 2:00 pm

          That’s what i mean Ibrahim, you are accepting a false prophets teachings about Jesus.

          Take a look in the aforementioned Gospels if you are interested in the truth about Jesus, rather than the misinformed distortions the koran offers.

          And, as usual, i will ask you to offer some evidence, ANYTHING, in support of your mithraism claim. Zeitgeist the movie does not count.

    • FYI says

      Dec 24, 2017 at 6:48 am

      “Anyone who says evil things against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven:now or ever”
      Matthew 12 v 32

      How terrible for you itace muhammed!
      How terrible for you muslims:your countries will be destroyed and you followers of the false prophet and the false god will be chaff!

      There is no salvation in your cult.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 25, 2017 at 12:50 am

      The appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:

      surely anyone who receives clear message of Islam and insists on rejecting it up-to the time of his/her death, will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire together with Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost the Satan who inspired him to reject Islam. so, praying for forgiveness for him will be a futile exercise.
      ……………………………..

      As pious Muslims like Ibrahim itace muhammed sees it, anyone who rejects child “marriage”, rape and sex slavery, and the mass slaughter of innocent people deserves to suffer eternally. *Ugh*.

      More:

      Ibrahim itace muhammed says

      Lifruinicanada, I accept Jesus as messager of Almighty God like other Prophets before him conveying message of monotheism to mankind, not as God or son of God which is an adoption of paganism of mithraism of old inspired by the Satan Christians Call Holy Spirit .follow our way before death, otherwise you will regret when there is not coming back. Hurry up!!
      ……………………………..

      “Hurry up”? It seems that Ibrahim itace muhammed is worried that all decent people reject Islam unless forced at swordpoint.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Dec 25, 2017 at 2:35 am

        “hurry up!!”

        Ibrahim is just echoing the azan he is forced to endure 5 times a day.

        Make haste, make haste, hurry up, prayer by rote is your only success!

        When you must hear something so many times, over and over and over again, it is bound to shape you’re thinking. And typing.

        Poor muslims, forced into trying to imitate a real relationship with God through constant badgering and nagging, to at least act like they believe.

        Paul said to pray always, and that’s how the Spirit leads a Christian to live. It’s not the Christian’s proud exertions, nor the verbal, whip-like like cajoling of a nearby loudspeaker, but the quiet peaceful leading of God that causes a Christian to naturally speak with the Father.

        I hope that Ibrahim will come to know the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the one true God of all creation. Then he will know peace.

  13. FYI says

    Dec 24, 2017 at 6:43 am

    muslims don’t get irony.

    muslims follow allah(=the koranic misrepresentation of the true God)and they follow the amoral and immoral example of their “prophet” muhammed..

    …and yet they blindly imagine that paradise awaits them simply for being muslims!

    They know nothing about God,they disobey His Commandments(their koran tells them that it is ok to do so;it isn’t),put on their public display of false piety and foolishly imagine that they have bought a ticket to paradise just because they are muslims.

    “If the Lord is God follow Him,
    but if baal be god,follow him”
    I kings 18 v 21

    muslims do not follow the Lord God(the True God of Moses)
    They follow allah-hubaal instead.

    There is no salvation in islam.

  14. CRUSADER says

    Dec 24, 2017 at 8:06 am

    Merry

    Christ-mass

    Malaysia

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. J D S says

    Dec 24, 2017 at 9:06 am

    Who would want a Muslim to pray for them in the first place. Personally I would want someone to pray for me that I knew that their prayers even left the ground. Pray for the Muslims..they are lost souls. .

  16. Lorensacho Byzantine says

    Dec 24, 2017 at 11:02 am

    George Carlin once said that religion is a form of mental illness.

  17. Janet says

    Dec 24, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    They are truly despicable! Always preaching hate against the Jews and nonMuslims. Boy are they all in for a rude awakening when our Lord and Savior comes back. They are preaching hate here in mosques and no one bats an eyelash. If it was a rabbi or minister doing this all hell would break loose. Muslims get a pass everytime because we don’t want to upset them now do we. Really makes my blood boil!

  18. Karen says

    Dec 24, 2017 at 5:18 pm

    Mr. Mufti, stuff your prayers.

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