“It is conceivable that the attack might have been averted had the cards fallen differently.”
Were officials too busy investigating claims of online “Islamophobia” to devote too much attention to the small matter of jihadis plotting mass murder of Infidels?
“Red flags MISSED on UK terror attacks: Manchester bomber was on MI5 radar, email on London Bridge knifeman was lost and Westminster terrorist scoped out scene days before bloody assault,” by Richard Spillett, Mailonline, December 5, 2017:
MI5 was ‘actively’ investigating the ringleader of the London Bridge atrocity at the time of the rampage and the Manchester bombing might have been stopped, a security review has found.
MI5 came by intelligence about Manchester bomber Salman Abedi in the months before his attack killed 22 adults and children outside an Ariana Grande concert, a security review by David Anderson QC revealed.
The information would have caused an investigation into him to be opened ‘had its true significance been properly understood’.
But instead, Abedi was not under active investigation when he detonated his suicide device at Manchester Arena in May, the report disclosed.
The review also revealed that London Bridge attacker Khuram Butt was being actively investigated by security services at the time of his attack and Westminster terrorist Khalid Masood scoped out the bridge days before the attack.
Commenting on the Manchester attack, the report says: ‘It is unknowable whether such an investigation would have allowed Abedi’s plans to be pre-empted and thwarted. MI5 assesses that it would not.’
Abedi was also identified by a separate ‘data-washing exercise’ as falling within a small number of former subjects of interest who merited further consideration.
However, a meeting scheduled to consider the results of this process had not been held at the time of the bombing, in which 22 people were killed.
An opportunity was also missed to place Abedi on ‘ports action’ after he travelled to Libya in April.
The UK’s security services faced questions after dozens of victims were killed or injured in attacks at Westminster, Manchester, London Bridge, and Finsbury Park this year.
MI5 and police launched independent reviews to examine what was known about the terrorists before they struck, decisions made on intelligence and possible areas for improvement.
The review, published today, discloses that three terrorists involved in four attacks that hit Britain between March and June this year had at some point been on authorities ‘ radar.
Khuram Butt, who led the three-strong gang behind the London Bridge van and knife attack in June, was the principal subject of an MI5 investigation from mid-2015 until the date of the deadly assault.
The report says material relating to Butt received in the two weeks prior to the attack added little to the intelligence picture and did not identify activity that led up to the attack.
Another of the London Bridge gang, Youssef Zaghba, was placed on an EU warning list in March last year but a marker which would have automatically identified him as a national security risk was deleted by Italian authorities in January.
In June 2016, MI5 received an inquiry from Italian authorities about Zaghba but the agency has no record of responding – ‘noting by way of possible explanation that it arrived in the incorrect mailbox’.
The request was not chased up by Italian officials.
Zaghba, and the third London Bridge attacker Rachid Redouane, were never investigated by MI5.
The scale of the threat facing the UK was laid bare in today’s report.
It revealed counter-terror teams are running about 500 live investigations involving 3,000 individuals at any one time, while there is also a wider pool of 20,000 subjects previously looked at who must be kept under review.
A total of nine Islamist terrorist plots have been thwarted in the UK over the past year, the director general of MI5 has told Cabinet earlier today.
Outlining the review findings, Home Secretary Amber Rudd told the Commons: ‘Based on the MI5 and police reviews, David Anderson explains that in the case of the Westminster attack, Khalid Masood was a closed subject of interest at the time of the attack.
‘Neither MI5 nor the police had any reason to anticipate the attack.
‘Regarding the Manchester Arena attack, Salman Abedi was also a closed subject of interest at the time of the attack, and so not under active investigation.
‘In early 2017, MI5 nonetheless received intelligence on him, which was assessed as not being related to terrorism. In retrospect, the intelligence can be seen to be highly relevant.
‘Had an investigation been reopened at the time, it cannot be known whether Abedi’s plans could have been stopped. MI5 assess that it would have been unlikely.
‘Across the attacks, including Manchester Arena, David Anderson notes that MI5 and CT policing got a great deal right.
‘However, in relation to Manchester, he also commented that, quote, ‘it is conceivable that the attack might have been averted had the cards fallen differently’.’…
Linde Barrera says
The pompous British officials associated with this horrific case are incompetent and negligent and they should be fined and fired. End of story.
mortimer says
British elites are more concerned with showing good manners towards the terrorists and the community that idolizes them, than doing their job of protecting the public from terrorist attacks.
British elites are obsessed with GOOD TASTE and so they think it BAD TASTE to reveal anything about JIHAD TERRORISM.
They are asking the British people to PRETEND that the NIGHTMARE of jihad is NOT happening.
What are the phlegmatic British people going to do, do they suspect? It’s impossible that British people will start wearing white pointed hoods! But they might start questioning why UK needs Muslim immigrants when the costs related to Islamic terrorism and Islamic crimes are increasing daily.
IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
From lone wolf to known wolf, and in possession of a copy of the Holy Ko-Ran he’s a shown wolf, shown the path to Jannat. Even a wealthy country like England can’t afford all the personnel it’d take to monitor these wolves, the place is mozzed up and they can’t handle the volume of work. So the elites over there are happy to bet the lives of English citizens on hoped for good behavior of the Moslems among them. jManaging the situation is a half baked dream staggering from day-to-day and month-to-month, with further mass murders inevitable. It’s right there in the Ko-Ran, the world’s murder manual.
Bob says
To just try questioning why we’re bringing in these muslim refugess could win we Britons fifteen years to consider the errors of our anti-mucklim ways!
John Forbes says
The British Public behave like docile sheep led by the JUDAS SHEEP to the slaughter!
There a number of herders keeping the FLOCK moving to DESTRUCTION of their DEMOCRACY.
The elite & government having decided some time ago to give in to SHARIA & ALLOW Saudi Wahabi Sharia Finance TO RULE ALSO DECIDED TO NOT BOTHER TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN OF THE POOR OR VULNERABLE!
So now if you question immigration levels or anything to do with MUSLIMS it can be judged to be hate speech & you can get a long jail term for this!
I see no signs of a FIGHT BACK YET! The odds are getting longer & longer as time runs on!
As the Muslim population grows abuse will grow with it for the White Children & the Whites will disappear in a few generations!
This will be the legacy of the LAST COWARDS of the HOUSE of COWARDS!
Robeaver. says
Shot, hanged, drawn and quartered.
David says
They should have a lot of company…think Rotheram.
J D S says
Sick bunch of rabbits..those Brit officials.
Fred Parsons says
Until the British public gets its head out of its ASS and gets rid of its stupid politicians who permit
such bullshit to go on this will continue/ Where are the men??????
Dawn says
They need to be more then fired. Were they afraid to be called Islamaphobe what a load of bs . Its a made up word to strike fear so we will be quiet. Stand up against it and tell it like it is. Robert Spencer tells it like it is and is called a racist etc. Islam is taking over and we just sit bsck and say nothing.
KRJ says
The REAL “islamaphobes” are the trembling cowards who don’t want to rile them up. Like with Jerusalem: Gee don’t make them mad! And this despite that they already have Mecca as their capital – a place where non-muslims are forbidden WTF and unbelievably, everyone accepts this as ok.
Bev says
Like I told a guy on Twitter, a Brit, complaining about all the anti-terrorism barricades and walls that had been erected around London, they’ll all come down as soon as everyone converts to Islam or pays a Jizzya (sp).
Phil Copson says
“…..anti-terrorism barricades and walls….. they’ll all come down as soon as everyone converts to Islam or pays a Jizzya (sp).”
Maybe this is what they mean by “cementing community relations”…..???
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yep. Cementing those heavy blocks of islamic relations all around your feet, then getting dropped off the side of a pier. Bye bye.
Joe says
Islam never stop killing. The violence is worse in countries that are mostly Muslim.
KRJ says
Their entire history is one of conquest and invasion. They won’t stop until the entire world is muslim and then they’ll do spot massacres of groups who don’t adhere to the hard-core brand.
Don McKellar says
Now the question is: Having been exposed as incompetents in favour of being politically correct, damn the body count, will there be changes towards conducting responsible policing?
gravenimage says
Good question, Don–and one that British police are likely not even asking.
Naildriver says
Is it at all possible that the powers that have elements in authority who actually permits some of this carnage for a public demonstration of Islam’s evil? Perhaps even the wars to ‘Nation Build’ were in some ways demonstrations of Islam’s evil? Will Bush in his memoirs say, as Churchill upon Coventry and other slaughters in WWII, that might have been averted — that there was no other way! even though full knowledge was had of impending mayhem?
These are the lies that one would like to believe if for nothing else to lend logic to this insanity of Islam’s steady evil crawl into our lives.
Certainly, the Muslims have no corner on the market of evil in the world; since, these years have enabled not the best, but the worst of us.
At some point people should say enough! Islam is the enemy and we must fight it for our very survival, and who are these people that feed off this enemy and would put our very children in harm’s way?
LeftisruiningCanada says
“Is it at all possible that the powers that have elements in authority who actually permits some of this carnage for a public demonstration of Islam’s evil?”
It would be interesting if that’s the route they have chosen. It’s a very long scale plan if they have.
As a possible reason for the UKs seeming love affair with islam, i’ve played with the idea that perhaps, realizing the long term danger islam poses, the UK has decided to invite them all in for the purpose of constructing the largest trap conceivable.
By intertwining islamic terrorists so deeply into London and the UK, perhaps the UK is just waiting for the right time to utter destroy the jihad network, much of which is centered in London itself.
I don’t really think this is the case. But apart from the obvious fall of the UK to islam, it’s the only other explanation i can think of that makes the slightest sense of what’s been going on there.
Rufluc says
Political correctness is the cancer that is killing our people and our society. Moves need to be made to make PC actions illegal when it can be clearly shown NOT to be in the interests of Western societies. So many Libtard heads would then roll as true justice takes its rightful place in society.
Like the ‘N’ word has been, words like ‘racist’, ‘bigot’ and ‘Islamophobe’ should be made unacceptable too, and where they are used against someone in an indiscriminate manner, that someone should then have the right to be able to counter attack the mindless leftie (well, who else would use them?) and hold them accountable for their spiteful libel!
Voytek Gagalka says
OMG, how much the MI5 has had fallen since times of Ian Flaming and his “Double O-Seven”! But already during the WWII it was frequently deeply penetrated by the enemy (as it was shown in “Where Eagles Dare,” factious no doubt but in every fiction there is always some truth).
David Stephenson says
And so the deaths and carnage shall continue because NO ONE will take responsibility for safeguarding the public by deporting these animals back to the third world hellholes from which they emerged.
Walter Sieruk says
How terribly incompetent can those UK officials be ? Just look at all the people who dies because of that incompetence.
Moreover, that hideous and evil Islamic terrorist bombing in the city in Manchester was totally evil. This not as some claim a result of a “hijacked Islam” but actual violent Quran based jihad Islam. This Muslim suicide /homicide bombing is on the Quran as ,for example , in Sura 9:111 it teaches “The believers fight in Allah’s cause they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed…” Furthermore, in Sura 47:4. it also instructs “Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them…” Let’s face it , setting off a bomb murdering young are who are not Muslims is a very effective way to “make greater slaughter among them.” In conclusion, the religion of Islam is actually a death cult.
Walter Sieruk says
The total incompetence of the UK officials to protection the lives and safety of the British people amounts to amounts to criminal
Furthermore, that murderous jihad terror attack at the concert at Manchester totally cruel and despicable. This heinous Islamic of mass murder is so extremely evil , so evil , in fact, this is mass murdering of young people ,most of them girls also has a strong vicious element of misogyny to it. Misogyny, as most informed people do understand, is very much part of the essence of Islam. Along with the brutal deadly violence of this religion. This Muslim /terrorist bombing is not as some claim as result of a warped version of Islam but hard core non-watered down Quran based Islam. For example, the Quran instructs in Sura 9:123 “O you who believe ! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you…” It’s thus very easy for a jihad minded Muslim show harshness to young girls who are not Muslims by exploding and bomb .This sure can be harsh This wicked action was the outcome of the deadly cruel religion which is Islam.
mummymovie says
“It is conceivable that the attack might have been averted had the cards fallen differently.”
Uh… Really? D’ya think?!?
From what it sounds like, the cards didn’t really “fall” at all; rather it would seem, the decked was stacked against those poor children at the Ariana Grande concert, thanks to the dereliction of UK officials.
Shame on them.
And so much for the pedestrians and bicyclists on Westminster Bridge, as well- “Apparently prosecuting internet “hate speech”, virtue signaling, and grandstanding obviously take precedence to saving lives.
Shame.
Ashley says
I get it, mummy.
But at the end of the day this shit has finally been exposed.
I wish I could say the same about all the “ignored” red flags that we in the US cover up.
gravenimage says
Yes–the idea that stopping Jihad terror is just a matter of ‘how the cards fall’ is just grotesque.
mummymovie says
Thank you.
That’s what I was getting at, I suppose.
Ashley says
Kudos to David Anderson for his review. Kudos to the press for exposing the truth.
I find transparency for such incompetence refreshing.
I can finally say something positive about the UK.
Think I’ll concoct a martini and celebrate this moment. No doubt it will be fleeting…
gravenimage says
Yes, Ashley–at least this exposure is a good thing.
Monty says
I’ve said this a number of times so please bear with me if you’ve read it before. The UK is beholden to the Middle East. The leadership dares not offend Muslim nations, especially Qatar and Saudi Arabia. There is too much at stake in trade and financial investments. While Muslims murder British subjects, the Royal Family fetes the rulers of Qatar. While Qatar imprisons rape victims, the UK smiles grimly and says little if anything. Money is behind Britain’s seemingly insane approach to Muslim terror. The British made a huge mistake decades ago by tying a part of their economy to Muslim nations. Now the consequences are plain to see.
gravenimage says
The whole of the West is acting like this, though–not just those nations with a lot of Muslim “investments”.
Sarah says
After the Lindt Cafe siege in Sydney, we had an inquiry.
This mess in England needs a Royal Commission. There have been and continue to be, systemic failures through all the levels of government, including law enforcement and justice.
If British Politicians (and the Royals for that matter, too) are faithful to Arab business interests and this is in some way, causing at least some consequences such as this – then yes, a wide ranging, deeply penetrating, no-stone-left-unturned Royal Commission that is staffed with independent officials is desperately needed.
The British should be rioting in their streets to demand an RC.
To be fair, Canadian citizens and Australian citizens should be doing the exact same in our own nations. We all need an RC that examines and investigates all levels of government, with no-one protected.
M says
Its disturbing that people in places where Muslims are imported don’t have NY record pence for being displaced. What rights do people affected my Islamic invasion have, really? The governments protect them, not us.
Ciudadano says
More evidence that governments are willing to play roulette russe with people
Walter Sieruk says
Of course it was awful that those British officials were so extremely incompetent that the Manchester jihadist bombing occurred. . They should have to answer for being so very useless and ineffective in the jobs of providing protection for the people..
This a,above article, is also a reminder that jihadist /Muslim in the city of Manchester, England who murderous so many young girls coming out of the concert as completely demonic and murderous in his deluded and wicked Islamic quest of the jihad This his vicious suicide /homicide jihad bombing attack against those young people was actually behaving in accord to the instruction of the “holy book “ of Islam, the Quran. Which instructs in for example Sura 9:111. “The believer’s fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain they kill and are killed.” After that murderous jihadist died he had discovered, to his shock and horror, the promise of a paradise with many houris , as the Quran teaches 44:54. 55:56. 78:31., for the dead jihadist was an outright lie and a total falsehood . For that Muslim terrorist found this out the hard way because after he dies he found himself trapped and suffering in the fires of hell .Such as the Bible describes in for example, Luke 13:28. 16:19-31.The Bible also teaches that a murderer “shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:21.[K.J.V.] Furthermore, in the Bible book of Revelation in 21:8 it gives a list of the people who will end up terribly suffering without end . As in forever in that awful place , and one of those persons in that Lake of Fire are people on that list who are murderers. In short, that murderous jihadist is the real loser and he now understand that he was wrong. Very wrong and that he had committed the evil of mass murder because he place his faith in a false religion.
Walter Sieruk says
Useless government security officials in the UK and a lying, falsehood speaking Muslim mayor of London.. That Muslim mayor of London said “Those terrorist attacks on London were performed by men [the terrorists] who were trying to justly their action by the religion I belong to …their ideology is a perversion [ of Islam ] and has no place in Islam” The Muslin mayor, Sadiq Khan, of the capital city of England further said that he is “Outraged at those who try to hide their evil with Islam.” He could be in a genuine mental state of denial about the violent and deadly of many of the parts of Islam or by contrast he might know and is attempting to cover up the truth about the violent essence of Islam. Likewise, the prime minster of England, Theresa May, when make public statements about those violent and vicious terrorist attacks on London Bridge and nearby Borough Market. She has declared this heinous religious terror attack as the outcome of “an ideology that is a perversion of Islam,” That statement shows that she didn’t do her homework. For those jihadist Muslims were putting in the practice the instruction of real, actual, non-watered down hard core Islam. As the Quran in, for example, Surah 9:123 instructs “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you…” Running over non-Muslims with a van and then stabbing them is a very effective way of showing people who are not Muslims harshness. Also Surah 9:111 teaches “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed…” The whole foundation for the ideology of Islamic terrorism is the theology of the Quran. As seen in those two, just sited, verses from the Quran and other verses well, such as, Surah 4:89. 5:33 47:4. Teresa May also denounced “Extremism.” This type of “Extremism” is based on the Quran.
Walter Sieruk says
That Islamic terror attack, in London, by three jihad-minded Muslims was, indeed, as evil and as it was awful. Those jihadist/Muslims who had murdered seven people had proven themselves to be very dangerous men. After they had committed the murders those jihadists were shot and killed by the British police. Islam’s “holy book” the Quran instructs in 9:111. “The believers fight in Allah’s cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.’’
This should tell all thoughtful people something about the actual essence of Islam.
Guy Forester says
I was wondering when this would come out. Not surprised at all. Same problem with the San Bernardino massacre. The investigator with the info to connect all the dots was told to stop the investigation and destroy all the info.
gravenimage says
How often are we hearing these days that the Jihadists were known to security or on a watch list? It does not matter–they are free to murder innocent people anyway.
Larry says
They didn’t follow up on either of them because to do so would have meant charging themselves with “islamophobia”.
Robert_K says
Well, if the Brits hadn’t been Germanophobic during World War II, how would that war have turned out?
But at least the Brits can say today that they are not Islamophobic.
Anne Smith says
As it has recently been made public that Mrs May is a supporter of “Common Purpose” I think it unlikely that there will be any change in Government policy. The Common Purpose so called “charity” is devoted to training the future leaders of the country and filling them with progressive, liberal and Marxist ideas. Most of the Police chiefs and local Government officials with any authority have been promoted because they have been on the courses.
Pat Condell has grasped this completely – take a look at his latest speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJzDmZDfQI8