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Wife of Orlando jihad mass murderer says she knew he was “preparing for jihad”

Dec 4, 2017 3:00 pm By Robert Spencer

The Southern Poverty Law Center classified Omar Mateen’s jihad massacre in the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida as “right-wing extremism,” and there are others who still insist that the attack had nothing to do with Islam or jihad. But Omar Mateen’s wife, Noor Salman, who was in on the plot, knows better.

“Wife told FBI she knew Pulse shooter was ‘preparing for jihad,’ new court filing claims,” WFTV, December 1, 2017:

ORLANDO, Fla. – The widow of Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen allegedly told FBI agents that she knew her husband was “preparing for jihad” ahead of the attack, according to a motion filed in Orlando federal court Thursday.

The document was filed by federal prosecutors in response to a motion by Noor Salman’s attorneys to include, and exclude, certain pieces of evidence in her trial.

Salman is accused of helping her husband plan and carry out the June 12, 2016 attack at Pulse nightclub in Orlando that left 49 people dead and dozens injured.

According to investigators, Mateen called 911 during the attack and claimed he was acting on behalf of the Islamic State.

After the attack, Salman was interviewed by FBI agents and allegedly told them that she knew her husband was preparing an attack when he began “spending a lot of money,” Thursday’s motion said.

Financial records show that Salman and Mateen made more than $25,000 in credit card purchases and withdrew more than $5,500 in cash in the weeks leading up to the attack.

Tax filings show that Salman and Mateen only brought in about $30,000 annually, the motion said.

Salman is seeking to exclude records documenting the pre-attack spending.

Salman’s attorneys argue that she does not have the mental capacity to have helped plan the Pulse attack and any confession she gave the FBI came after being interviewed for more than a dozen hours.

“That apparently is the government’s theory, that a special ed student who they could get to confess after 18 hours was actually a brilliant mastermind,” her attorney, Charles Swift, argued during a February hearing….

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  1. Ren says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    She knew. Yet she did nothing to stop him. That makes her an accomplice.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 3:44 pm

      Bingo. Aiding and abetting.

    • Mahendra Singh says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 6:04 pm

      Yeah, but what are going to gain by imprisoning a retarded
      Mohamden woman.She will have to be fed and cared for many
      years, will demand halal food and facilities for prayers and wodoo.
      The Credit companies can do nothing but lick their wounds and
      check carefully befor issuing a cc to a perennial loser.

      • Screeminmeeme says

        Dec 6, 2017 at 12:15 pm

        Then put her down. Cost of a bullet or rope.

    • John Forbes says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 4:32 am

      Remember that a survey in Britain found that 62% of Muslims surveyed would not report a TERRORIST plot by another Muslim to the POLICE!
      MUSLIMS are never to – shop – shall we say another MUSLIM! No issue with a KUFAR ( that is us the non-believers)
      For details check DOUGLAS MUSSAY posts on youtube in his talks with a number of people!
      Poles like this make a TOTAL NONSENSE out of Integration & assimilation claims as well as the DEMANDED LIES we are forced to PARROT & BELIEVE – Islam is a RELIGION of PEACE!

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 4:23 pm

        +1

    • p bay says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 8:00 am

      They are ALL preparing for jihad. The ideology is for you to die

  2. elee says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    Of course she isn’t bright, look who she married! But our security systems should not be limited to protecting us from smart people. Her stupid criminality was a clear danger that they failed to stop. How many other merely stupid accomplices are abetting the next incidents right now?

    • roger woodhouse says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 4:59 am

      As I have said many times before Jihad depends on the ‘simple minded’to do the dirty work because without ‘jihad’there can be no Islam.The more ‘simple’ are the ones targetted to be brainwashed into this cruel cult.

      • J D S says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 5:33 pm

        One don’t find the man’s and such clerics doing the murdering jihad…Oh Noooooooo they wouldn’t dirty their hands they just coherence other stupidos into doing the dirty work …so many young people have been led to slaughter..slsughter of both others and themselves.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 10:47 am

      When one is a product of generations of first-cousin marriages, they are apt to be of low intel intelligence. If we did not prosecute any terrorist whose IQ equals that of a normal Muslim, then we would never prosecute one of them. I think she knew that guns go “Bang,” and she helped get them for her husband. That’s quite enough.

      • Robert_K says

        Dec 6, 2017 at 5:58 am

        Yes, but who is of lower intelligence the Muslim inbreeds or the genetically superior Western officials who let them get away with their mass murdering jihad rages?

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 4:57 pm

          There is ordinary stupidity, then there is willful stupidity. That is what we are seeing here in the West.

  3. James says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    Oh my goodness. Following the official story. Anyone, who has anything upstairs, knows that this event was a fraud. No human can withstand 4 bullets to the back, let alone 12, and live to tell about it. Bullets that break apart, destroying everything surrounding its path; turning organs into jelly, and bones into dust. And they most definitely cannot give chipper interviews on the streets and/or in cars, 24 hours after the event. It is absurd to even give it a second thought. Bright and chipper, 24 hours after being shot 4 and 12 times respectively for two of the more famous victims, with no surgeries needed. Good old bandages will take care it all. Doctors on a panel, cannot answer questions like, “do you remember operating on him?” It takes a bystander (drill instructor,) to barge her way into the interview and answer the questions from the media. All the victims, including the one shot 4 times in the back, are video’d walking TOWARDS the nightclub, that they were supposedly shot in. This story has so many holes in it, that it is a wonder how anyone could believe it. They may have used a muslim as the perp, but that was part of the plan in this drill gone live event.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      “James” wrote:

      They may have used a muslim as the perp, but that was part of the plan in this drill gone live event.
      ………………………..

      Another moron claiming that Jihad terror has nothing to do with Jihad, and that Muslims are just innocent bystanders of terrorism perpetrated by the filthy Infidels. Try again, creep.

      • Ashley says

        Dec 4, 2017 at 3:37 pm

        +1

        • p bay says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 8:02 am

          What mosque do you attend, James?

        • James says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 12:27 pm

          p bay
          Christians do not go to mosques, spastic loser.

        • James says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 4:55 pm

          Jay Boo. The spastic speaks again. I have never watched the view, moron, because I disconnected from the boob tube more than 10 years ago. Why don’t you drench yourself in camels piss so that muslims can find you and act accordingly with you. Piss be upon you.

      • James says

        Dec 4, 2017 at 5:04 pm

        Call me a creep and a moron? Do the letters F. O. mean anything to you. Can you not have a civil discourse without name calling? Can you deny with proof, what I wrote? I KNOW what muslims are, and what they do. If you do not know that the world’s leaders are purposely bringing in the muslims into Europe and America, and Canada, and Australia, to fulfill Albert Pike and Mazzini’s plan for 3 world wars, and that this “muslim problem” that the world is experiencing is by plan, then you are truly ignorant of the world and how it works. Angela Merkel truly does not want to destroy Germany, no? What are her reasons for bringing in those who would destroy them? Only a fool would believe she is working in the best interests of Germany, and that she has no idea what she is doing. She knows exactly what she is doing, and why. To destroy the West.

        No group of Arab muslims, the founders of that sick and evil political/economic/religious system, could ever wreck havoc in the Western nations, who have laws, police forces, navy’s and armies, without being invited, EN MASS, into those same countries. I can’t even go 70mph in a 60mph zone without getting a ticket, and you think muslims can come into this country unseen and without help? Islam by its own admission is to conquer the world for allah. Are you telling me that our leaders don’t know this? Why do they protect muslims, and force the Sharia onto us? Islam should be outlawed in the Western nations, yet they coddle them; advancing their cause.

        They know that the muslims could not do anything on their own accord against the powerful nations of the West, so they bring them in by the hundreds of thousands to terrorize, which is what muslims do. They are a trojan horse. They need help to conquer the world for the devil, allah. How could any sufficient group of muslims from the middle east and Arabia, conquer the United States? They would have to board planes and ships by the millions, and get through border security. No. They are being helped by the powers that should never be. They are being helped to fulfill what they do, terrorize the innocent. I know full well who muslims are, and what they do and stand for. The U.S. created, trained, armed, and funded ISIS through the CIA. That is a fact. The muslims will help the infidels as long as it is in their interests, and then turn on them when the time, and their numbers, is ripe.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 7:44 pm

          Show us your “proof” that “the US created, trained, armed, and funded ISIS through the CIA” — and I mean proof that they did so intentionally, since that is your game. So far, your arguments would only be convincing to someone whose critical thinking ability is either inferior to a toddler’s or else corrupted by an unhealthy psychological foundation. Here’s my scientific prediction, and let’s see if it’s confirmed: your proof will either not appear, or be full of holes, like your arguments till now, but when those holes are pointed out to you, you will change the subject and throw out more unfounded assertions for which you will provide further Swiss cheese arguments as if they were airtight, so that the sheep out there — those suckers born every minute — can go baaaa, baaaa, baaaa to your schtick.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 7:48 pm

          “They may have used a muslim as the perp, but that was part of the plan in this drill gone live event.”

          “They are being helped to fulfill what they do, terrorize the innocent.”

          So who did it?

          I’m not against your position. I’m just not following what you’re saying.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 9:15 pm

          Ok, I did a little research on our friend James’ conspiracy theory. James refers to an 1871 plan to bring about three world wars which were to accomplish very specific world historical goals. James indicates a letter from Pike to Mazzini in which this 1871 plan is discussed. Unfortunately, the Pike/Mazzini business was admitted to be a hoax by the creator of the hoax, one Dr. Bataille aka Leo Taxil. See here:
          http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

          Bataille/Taxil later referred to himself as the “arch-liar” of the period (i.e., the end of the 1800s). He explained how he constructed the hoax, and that he could see there was a good deal of money in it for him, a large audience of suckers who wanted to hear about it.

          Belief in the notion that Free Masons or others in 1871 could not only plan three world wars for very specific purposes, but then also successfully bring about the first two world wars and achieve the intended purposes, and that now the third war is being prepared by the same Masonic forces according to the original plan of 1871… Well, to believe that, one’s intellect must be profoundly ahistorical and immature, or perhaps perversely, pathologically biased. But supposing the idea is not immediately ridiculous to you, nevertheless, the fact is that it was a hoax, as shown at the link above.

        • James says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 9:26 pm

          Show me proof that water exists. How do I even begin, when the very proof you want me to provide you, is permeating the internet? It is all over the place. Been so for more than a decade, and you want me to go back and find all those millions of proofs? Google it. Maybe then you can find something, anything, that will back what I am saying. Do you think that I just made this shit up? I will not give you, what you can find yourself. You obviously have your head in the sand and will not venture out of your box. Have fun in your box of goodies. Your safe space. Believe that the Soros, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Clintons, the Bush’s, the Gates, the government, has your best interests at heart. Believe that they do not conspire, in secret, to get certain things done in this world, an agenda, but they only do things for your benefit. And of course, they would never lie to you. Of course not. They are the cream of the crop of humanity, the gods of this world, and when they put on that suit and tie, and get before the cameras, you should bow yourself with your face to the ground, and absorb every word of truth that they speak to you through CNN. They are your god. They would never lie to you.

          I suppose that you want proof that the American military is guarding the poppy fields in Afghanistan (the sole reason we are there) to protect the worlds heroin market for sale by the CIA too? Well, you can google that too, you lazy bum. I’ll throw this in. There are a million more videos that expose the fraud, that you believe in hook, line, and sinker, because our leaders would never; could never; lie to us.

        • James says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 9:33 pm

          If the 1871 meeting was a hoax, then how did it all come true anyway, as planned? How did Dr. Bataille aka Leo Taxil, in the 1800’s, dream up a plan for 3 world wars, knowing that it was just a hoax, only to have it being fulfilled in the 20th and 21st centuries as written? Explain that one, oh mighty one.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 9:34 pm

          The part about planning the three world wars, furthermore, appears to have been invented by a man named Carr who wrote in the 1950s. Carr refers to the 1871 Pike/Mazzini letter as talking of three world wars. But as I said, the Pike Mazzini letter is just part of the Taxil/Bataille hoax of the late 1800s. Taxil/Bataille in the hoax never referred to three world wars in the made up Pike/Mazzini letter. It seems Carr himself added in that part of the fantasy letter.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 9:39 pm

          If you really cared about facts, James, you would have gone to the link I posted, where it explains that Taxil does not even refer to three world wars. That was invented by Carr after World War II. He attributed that prediction to the Pike/Mazzini letter. But the man who invented the Pike/Mazzini letter, Taxil, does not mention anything about three wars being discussed in that hoax letter. Here again is the link:
          http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

        • James says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 10:01 pm

          Okay, if the Pike letter was a hoax, and I am just someone who believed what others dug up, then why are the elites following it? Why are they bringing in the muslims? What agenda does that serve? The one I said they were following. Hoax or not, they are doing it.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 10:02 pm

          And I see you are a 9/11 Truther, which does not surprise me at all. I suppose you have never read the Mechanics Illustrated book responding in detail to all the mutually contradictory conspiracy theories about 9/11. If you have read it, I’m sure your massive case of confirmation bias will have enabled you to evade the facts.

          And you talk as if the only alternative to believing in your claptrap theories is for me to have absolute naive faith in the goodness and transparency of my leaders. How very convenient for you that the only alternative to your view should be an idiotic naivete. Sorry, I don’t have any such faith in my leaders. I simply think it is idiotic to believe that Free Masons in 1871 already planned World Wars I, II, and III, and are on the verge of successfully completing stage three of that “plan.” And as I’ve shown, the Pike/Mazzini letter was a hoax, one you entirely fell for, unsurprisingly. See the link I posted. I also think it is idiotic and delusional to be a 9/11 Truther.

          But I’m done. If one takes the mentally incompetent loonies seriously, that is almost tantamount to becoming one of them. Please enjoy your conspiracy universe. Imagination can weave endless wonders with help from bloated confirmation bias and inadequate training in critical thinking.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 10:15 pm

          James said

          Okay, if the Pike letter was a hoax, and I am just someone who believed what others dug up, then why are the elites following it? Why are they bringing in the muslims? What agenda does that serve? The one I said they were following. Hoax or not, they are doing it.

          Are you really unable to come up with alternative possibilities? Now you think European leaders are following the Pike/Mazzini letter invented by Bataille/Taxal? Good grief. Why reach for the most improbable fantasies when plenty of more obvious explanations are right before your eyes if you would only reflect on what you can see for yourself. Read Douglas Murray’s The Strange Death of Europe. It’s a brilliant historical, philosophical, and psychological exploration of how Europe over the decades has come into this immigration situation. Or read Bat Ye’or, Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis. Those are two serious scholarly accounts of the why Europe is where it is now.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 11:03 pm

          ” Believe that the Soros, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Clintons, the Bush’s, the Gates, the government, has your best interests at heart. Believe that they do not conspire, in secret, to get certain things done in this world, an agenda, but they only do things for your benefit. And of course, they would never lie to you. ”

          Ha, you won’t find much of that around here James.

          Many here, me included, have an idea that there are plans to use islam as a change agent within our countries. Just because we don’t ‘yes and amen’ your set of beliefs doesn’t mean we’re the opposite.
          Chill out a bit, stick around here for a while, and let’s talk about it as the news rolls by, ok?

        • kabooooooooooooooooooooom says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 11:06 pm

          Go easy on gravenimage James. She is an ideologue and long-time commenter here, while remaining quite myopic – although well-meaning. She posts incessantly, mirroring what her acolytes say. She is quite shallow in thinking and simply repeats herself and supports the equally shallow thinking of several other regular posters here. She is not a bad person, just not very deep in her thinking or ideas.

          Luckily, there are a handful of serious thinkers on the site to support Robert, Hugh Fitzgerald and the other excellent writers. “Ronald B” and “Doubledoomsarmy” are representative of them.

          GI and the rest of her cheerleader squad, do understand the cancerous threat that constitutes islam but don’t expect many solutions from them – just the same repeated obvious drivel day after day. But who knows; we will need nurses to care for the wounded once the warriors initiate serious action.

        • b.a. freeman says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 11:08 pm

          i believe that a few months before IS announced itself, sen. john mccain met with either al baghdadi or one or more of his henchmen, and was photographed. if memory serves, mccain was negotiating about arming them to fight al assad of syria.

          this does *not* mean that the government of the u.s. funded IS, although a large part of the weaponry of IS came from the u.s. (mostly after the shia army of iraq ran away and left it to IS). the hard left indeed is using pious muslims to destroy western societies from within, but they are not the official government – yet. once society collapses, the government will of course declare martial law, but since the hard left has ruled education in the u.s. for decades, the government is always at least left-leaning, as its members are all selected from a nominally-leftist population, so it should be relatively easy for the hard left to perpetrate a coup.

          of course, the muslim problem would still remain; the pious don’t give a rat’s a** if the kufr are leftist or rightist so long as they are dead. fortunately for the left, muslims congregate in enclaves, which the coup government can surround with military and launch mass murders of all found within. there are a couple of problems with this approach for the left. first of all, most westerners still hold judeo-christian beliefs, even if not jewish or christian, since all the feel-good leftist platitudes taught in lieu of critical thinking in schools are based on them (“from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” – sounds noble!), so the troops would likely squirm when mass-murder orders were issued, slowing down the solution. second, once word gets out of the “solution” to the muslim problem, “moderate” muslims are likely to get religion and go all akhbar. suddenly, instead of facing a few thousands of pious muslims, the left will be facing *millions* of them. and muslims are no pikers when it comes to mass murder; they take it in with their mother’s milk. it will be rather like a leftist “our gang” goup of little kids with slingshots going up against an ms-13 hit squad with machine guns. my money is on the muslims.

        • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 11:37 pm

          Uh..it’s “wreak” havoc “James”. And it’s “en masse”, from the French…

          It’s bad enough listening to your drivel. You could at least spell and punctuate correctly.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 11:51 pm

          More from “James”:

          Call me a creep and a moron? Do the letters F. O. mean anything to you.
          ………………………………

          No–the letters “F.O.” do not indicate anything significant to me, nor can I find anything with a Google search. If “James” has anything to say, he need not be so coy.

          More:

          Can you not have a civil discourse without name calling? Can you deny with proof, what I wrote? I KNOW what muslims are, and what they do. If you do not know that the world’s leaders are purposely bringing in the muslims into Europe and America, and Canada, and Australia, to fulfill Albert Pike and Mazzini’s plan for 3 world wars…
          ………………………………

          The Albert Pike letter is a well-known fraud. The idea that a Confederate officer would somehow have psychic powers and be able to tell the future has never made any sense, in any case. He certainly didn’t have any powers of predestination regarding the pro-slavery cause.

          More:

          No group of Arab muslims, the founders of that sick and evil political/economic/religious system, could ever wreck havoc in the Western nations, who have laws, police forces, navy’s and armies, without being invited, EN MASS, into those same countries. I can’t even go 70mph in a 60mph zone without getting a ticket, and you think muslims can come into this country unseen and without help?
          ………………………………

          No one has ever said that all of them are sneaking in. The West is largely clueless about Islam being a threat, and regards Muslim invaders as needy refugees. There is nothing supernatural about this suicidal stupidity.

          More:

          Islam by its own admission is to conquer the world for allah. Are you telling me that our leaders don’t know this?
          ………………………………

          Many ordinary Westerners do not. The idea that all those in elected office suddenly do when most citizens do not makes little sense.

          More:

          Why do they protect muslims, and force the Sharia onto us? Islam should be outlawed in the Western nations, yet they coddle them; advancing their cause.
          ………………………………

          Most Westerners do not even realize that Islam *has* a cause. That is the whole point of Jihad Watch–to educate Infidels as to the threat of Islam.

          More:

          They know that the muslims could not do anything on their own accord against the powerful nations of the West, so they bring them in by the hundreds of thousands to terrorize, which is what muslims do. They are a trojan horse. They need help to conquer the world for the devil, allah…
          ………………………………

          And Westerners want to further the cause of Allah…why, exactly?

          More:

          The U.S. created, trained, armed, and funded ISIS through the CIA. That is a fact…
          ………………………………

          How many times have we seen *this* rot–that Islam is not really a threat, but that it is the bad old Americans who have–for some reason–created Jihad terror.

          Anyone with the slightest understanding of history knows that this is bs–Jihad much predates the existence of the CIA, and even the existence of the United States.

          Is “James” also claiming that the Americans slaughtered 3,000 of their own people on 9/11, then blamed the poor Muslims for it?

          More, replying to eduardo odraude:

          Google it. Maybe then you can find something, anything, that will back what I am saying.
          ………………………………

          Why should Eduardo or anyone else here have to prove “James’s” conspiracy theory? He appears to be unclear on the concept–it is people making an assertion who have to prove them.

          In fact, Eduardo debunked this rot. PIke’s alleged letter is full of anachronisms, and has–conveniently–“disappeared”.

          More:

          Do you think that I just made this shit up?
          ………………………………

          “James” did not have to make this up–it was already made up. He just had to swallow it.

          His later assertion that anyone who does not believe that the West is responsible for Jihad considers elected officials “the gods of this world” is ludicrous.

          More:

          I suppose that you want proof that the American military is guarding the poppy fields in Afghanistan (the sole reason we are there) to protect the worlds heroin market for sale by the CIA too?
          ………………………………

          Good lord, more rot. Again, the poor Muslims are being victimized by the evil, scheming, Jihadist Americans…sarc/off

          More:

          If the 1871 meeting was a hoax, then how did it all come true anyway, as planned? How did Dr. Bataille aka Leo Taxil, in the 1800’s, dream up a plan for 3 world wars, knowing that it was just a hoax, only to have it being fulfilled in the 20th and 21st centuries as written? Explain that one, oh mighty one.
          ………………………………

          The first reference to the existence of this supposed letter was in a book by conspiracy theorist Guy Carr, “Pawns In The Game”, dating from 1956, when everyone knew about WWI and WWII.

          Arab Muslims were already trying to destroy Israel at this point, as well, so there was nothing prophetic going on here.

          The claim that this letter was in the archives of the British Museum is false, as well. The British Museum confirms that there was no such letter, and it is not mentioned by anyone else before 1956.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 12:00 am

          I see that kabooooooooooooooooooooom is back.

          Odd that he says that I and others do not offer solutions, when he himself has never done anything but smear Anti-Jihadists like Mortimer and Jay Boo here.

          Does he believe that “James” ranting about antisemitic conspiracy theories here is offering solutions?

          And I never knew I had “acolytes” before–I’m sure it would come as a surprise to everyone else here, as well.

        • James says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 2:23 am

          I can see in your worldview, no opinion is allowed if it disagrees with yours. Yours is the absolute truth, no debating necessary. Such arrogance. Still with the slander and name calling I see. 9/11 Truther. What is that, someone who believes in the truth of what happened on that day? Well yes then, I am one. But you mean it to mean that I am a second or third class citizen; an attack on my beliefs, an attack on my person, which I came to by the evidence I have seen. It is a belittling term made to dismiss the person outright. I have looked at both sides of the argument; you have not. I believed the official story for years, until I was shown and told things that did not add up. So I investigated more. Proverbs 18:13 is in effect.

          eduardo odraude says: I suppose you have never read the Mechanics Illustrated book.

          You would be right, I have never, nor will I ever, read any MSM accounts of what happened on 9/11, as they are the official mouthpiece of the Federal Government, and will only report that which the “officials” have claimed to have happened. The same officials who shipped all the steel to China, so no evidence could be gathered about what caused the dustification of all the contents, cement, steel, doorknobs, latrines, fire hoses, and people, on that day. They found coins, and a terrorist’s passport, (how lucky and convenient,) but could not find 4 black boxes, specifically designed to withstand destruction.

          They could not find 4 titanium/steel engines, and the one they purport was one, was not an engine that they used for one of those planes. Could not even get that right for their false flag. They did not believe anyone would challenge them anyway. They are so arrogant, that they get sloppy. That engine supposedly flew out the other side of the building onto the street below. Funny how not one dent in the cement was evidenced of such a heavy thing falling from the sky. Landing quite nicely under a canopy.

          The Northwoods document is proof that the government will do just these kinds of things, to go to war. War is cash flow. Without war, cash flow ceases. That is a big no no. This is their dream come true; an endless, nameless, country less war, to wage for all time to come. Then they create the DHS, the TSA, and the Patriot Act, to make any and all Americans, possible terrorists.

          September 11; The New Pearl Harbor, DVD set, asks all the questions that you fear, while exposing the utter stupidity of Popular Mechanics and NIST. NIST states officially, that building 7 came down because of fires. That is simply not possible. A fire cannot cause a symmetric collapse of a skyscraper into its own footprint at free fall speed. A child would understand that. All’s it would take to bring a skyscraper down then, would be for some office worker to light their garbage can on fire, set it next to a steel beam, and down goes the tower. You should be very afraid to go into a skyscraper ever again, being that they are so fragile, that fires can bring them down. Never before in history, or since.

          “How many times have we seen *this* rot–that Islam is not really a threat, but that it is the bad old Americans who have–for some reason–created Jihad terror.”

          And where did I ever say that islam is not a threat? It seems that you are giving islam and muslims a respect that they do not deserve, by capitalizing their names. I refuse to do that. Unless, of course, it is at the very beginning of a sentence.

          And I suggest that the female dog, Esquire Brown, do not look at my posts, if they offend her so. Maybe a trip to Saudi Arabia would be good for such a goat as yourself. Drivel huh?

          None of you here have a clue to what I know and believe. I have been a follower and an admirer of Mr. Spencer for YEARS, and watch his videos all the time. He is one amazing and courageous man. Simply because I don’t believe in the official story given to us by the government, I am a whacked out nut job; a tin foil hat wearing idiot, who deserves to die.

          I am a conspiracy theorist, which of course means, by those doing the labeling, that conspiracies do not in fact, exist. That term itself was created by the CIA to shut down any opposition to the JFK assassinations, official story. So Oswald killed Kennedy with that fatal front shot. Got it. He can sure move fast, that one. And because my opinion is different than yours, or once in awhile my fingers might slip, and my eyes do not catch a spelling error, that I am not even a human being, and deserve the worst punishment and shaming that one could dream up.

          We are on the same side, against jihad. I just believe that they are being brought into our countries by our governments, and you do not. You believe that they come here at will to kill us all, and I believe that they could not do that without the direct and purposeful help of the government. One obvious jihad attack was the Fort Hood killings. Why then, would the government deny it was jihad, but just a plain old regular murder? The answer is quite simple. They are bringing them here to commit jihad, so that the people get angry and demand the government do something about it. And they will. They will take away more of our freedoms. Checkpoints everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

          And if we the people decided to clean out the jihad threat by physically eliminating all muslims in our borders, which side do you think that the government would take? And there is your answer folks. The government would take the side of the jihadists. So why keep talking about this, when nothing is ever, or can ever, be done about it, because there is only one solution. OUTLAW ISLAM. Make it a capital crime to practice it.

          But, but, but, not all muslims are jihadists. Oh, yes they are. They all agree that sharia should rule the land, and are working to that effect. They are getting it into our schools, our businesses, our workplaces, and especially, into the government. It is called stealth jihad. Calling for their sharia to supplant the Constitution. That is treason, and treason is dealt with by hanging.

        • roger woodhouse says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 5:04 am

          I agree.That can only be the explanation why our Governments are refusing to act against the visible threat to our way of life that Islam poses.

        • James says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 12:58 pm

          Jay Boo is one ignorant baffoon. Cannot even read what someone writes. I stated emphatically that islam is a threat, and you say I am covering for them, and giving me an Arabic name? What a joke you are. A real winner. I am on your side, and you can’t even see it. I just have a different viewpoint as to HOW the jihad threat is being implemented against us. They need help to conquer the powerful West, without which, they can do nothing. There are oceans to cross to get to us, and no amount of boat people can topple America. In other words, they cannot conquer America, without help from the government itself. Got it?

          eduardo odraude
          “Ok, I did a little research on our friend James’ conspiracy theory.”

          Who are you talking to? Who is “our?” Do you have a small little group following you around like good puppies, agreeing with everything you say? Do these people you are referring to have no opinions of their own, but rely on your opinions to come to their conclusions? Yes men and women?

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 6:21 pm

          More blather from “James”:

          I can see in your worldview, no opinion is allowed if it disagrees with yours.
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          This is utterly absurd. I have done nothing–nor would I if I could–to stop “James” from babbling on at great length here. Like so many, he does not understand the concept of freedom of speech, and appears to believe that if anyone replies tor or counters his views that they are preventing him from exercising his freedom of speech. Of course, this is untrue.

          I am simply exercising my own freedom of speech in replying to him–this does not curtail his own freedom of speech in any way.

          More:

          Yours is the absolute truth, no debating necessary.
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          “James” *is* debating here–not that he has much of an argument, of course. No one is preventing him from presenting his own warped views.

          More:

          Such arrogance. Still with the slander and name calling I see. 9/11 Truther. What is that, someone who believes in the truth of what happened on that day? Well yes then, I am one.
          ………………………………..

          A 9/11 Truther is one who believes that 9/11 was pulled off by the United States or Mossad or some such, and that it was just blamed on the poor Muslims. Seems like an accurate assessment of what “James” has been slinging here.

          More:

          But you mean it to mean that I am a second or third class citizen; an attack on my beliefs, an attack on my person, which I came to by the evidence I have seen. It is a belittling term made to dismiss the person outright. I have looked at both sides of the argument; you have not. I believed the official story for years, until I was shown and told things that did not add up. So I investigated more. Proverbs 18:13 is in effect.
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          No one is treating James as a second class citizen by pointing out that he is spouting bs here. His expectation that if someone is a full citizen that he is immune from having anyone disagree with him is utterly mistaken. No one in a free society is bound to accept anyone else’s opinions.

          His claim that 9/11 does not add up and that hence this atrocity was pulled off by evil Americans (or Jews) happily murdering their own people to make Muslims look bad is *not* one that I accept, nor does any other rational person.

          As for the assertion re the Bible verse that I have not listened to what Truthers have to say and given it a fair hearing, this is quite false. I have read through these claims at length, and have found nothing in them compelling, or even rational.

          Re the engineering end of things, the Mechanics Illustrated dismantling of these arguments is an excellent place to start, as Eduardo notes.

          But then, “James” has openly said that he plans on ignoring anything engineers have to say, in favor of ignorant conspiracy theorists.

          More:

          They could not find 4 titanium/steel engines, and the one they purport was one, was not an engine that they used for one of those planes. Could not even get that right for their false flag…
          ………………………………..

          Is “James” now claiming that no airplanes flew into the Twin Towers? Not only have we all seen footage of this occurring, but if he somehow is claiming that it was all faked, then what of the thousands of New Yorkers and New Jerseyans who say this happen live?

          He is even more unhinged than I had thought.

          More:

          The Northwoods document is proof that the government will do just these kinds of things, to go to war. War is cash flow. Without war, cash flow ceases. That is a big no no. This is their dream come true; an endless, nameless, country less war, to wage for all time to come. Then they create the DHS, the TSA, and the Patriot Act, to make any and all Americans, possible terrorists.
          ………………………………..

          Where to start–first, the idea that Jihad was created by the evil Americans so that they could hurt poor Muslims in order to make money is ridiculous.

          And then, the idea that if you are concerned about violent Jihad that this means–somehow–that you consider all Americans terrorists is equally ridiculous. More projection.

          More:

          All’s (sic) it would take to bring a skyscraper down then, would be for some office worker to light their garbage can on fire, set it next to a steel beam, and down goes the tower. You should be very afraid to go into a skyscraper ever again, being that they are so fragile, that fires can bring them down. Never before in history, or since.
          ………………………………..

          The idea that a wastebasket fire burns at the same temperature and is as widespread as having two fully-fueled jet airplanes slam into a structure is, of course, absurd.

          More:

          “How many times have we seen *this* rot–that Islam is not really a threat, but that it is the bad old Americans who have–for some reason–created Jihad terror.”

          And where did I ever say that islam is not a threat? It seems that you are giving islam and muslims a respect that they do not deserve, by capitalizing their names. I refuse to do that. Unless, of course, it is at the very beginning of a sentence.
          ………………………………..

          “James” has said nothing about the threat of Islam–just that Americans are slaughtering Infidels in order to make Islam look bad.

          As for respect, I capitalize “James’s” name, as well–that does not mean that I respect him.

          More:

          And I suggest that the female dog, Esquire Brown, do not look at my posts, if they offend her so. Maybe a trip to Saudi Arabia would be good for such a goat as yourself. Drivel huh?
          ………………………………..

          The idea that for daring to correct “James’s” grammar that Kathy Brown, Esq. deserves to be sent to Saudi Arabia and suffer under brutal Shari’ah law is simply sickening.

          He also implies she is a bitch and calls her a “goat” for daring to oppose violent Jihad.

          Kathy Brown, Esq. is a respected poster here–“James” is not. (the moronic kabooooooom notwithstanding, of course).

          More:

          None of you here have a clue to what I know and believe. I have been a follower and an admirer of Mr. Spencer for YEARS, and watch his videos all the time. He is one amazing and courageous man. Simply because I don’t believe in the official story given to us by the government, I am a whacked out nut job; a tin foil hat wearing idiot, who deserves to die.
          ………………………………..

          It is unclear why he would admire Robert Spencer, given that Spencer does not share his belief that Jihad is waged by the American government, rather than Muslims.

          As for what “James” believes, we can only go on what he has posted here, which is not impressive.

          And where did he get the idea that anyone criticizing his claptrap believes he should die? No one here said any such thing.

          Again, he appears to become hysterical if anyone challenges his absurd claptrap.

          More:

          I am a conspiracy theorist, which of course means, by those doing the labeling, that conspiracies do not in fact, exist.
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          Of course some conspiracies exist–Jihad terror plots are a prime example. But this does not mean that all conspiracy theories are true–including, of course, 9/11 having been pulled off by the Masons or the Illuminiati or whatever “James” is claiming.

          More:

          That term itself was created by the CIA to shut down any opposition to the JFK assassinations, official story. So Oswald killed Kennedy with that fatal front shot. Got it. He can sure move fast, that one. And because my opinion is different than yours, or once in awhile my fingers might slip, and my eyes do not catch a spelling error, that I am not even a human being, and deserve the worst punishment and shaming that one could dream up.
          ………………………………..

          This just gets more and more bizarre. Does “James” really believe that a few critical replies are “the worst punishment and shaming that one could dream up”? I suppose he has led a very sheltered life.

          Of course “James” is a human being–just a profoundly ignorant and paranoid one.

          More:

          We are on the same side, against jihad.
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          *Really*? The difference is that sane Anti-Jihadists understand that Jihad is being waged by Muslims, not by old George Bush.

          More:

          I just believe that they are being brought into our countries by our governments, and you do not. You believe that they come here at will to kill us all, and I believe that they could not do that without the direct and purposeful help of the government.
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          Why does “James” keep parroting this? no one has said that all Muslims have sneaked into the West.

          More:

          One obvious jihad attack was the Fort Hood killings.
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          What–he doesn’t believe that the Army did it so that they could wage war against Muslims? How is Ft. Hood different from 9/11?

          More:

          Why then, would the government deny it was jihad, but just a plain old regular murder? The answer is quite simple. They are bringing them here to commit jihad, so that the people get angry and demand the government do something about it. And they will. They will take away more of our freedoms. Checkpoints everywhere. EVERYWHERE.
          ………………………………..

          Most in the West are clueless about Islam and Jihad. The idea that all of these people–including most of my neighbors–want Muslims to wage violent Jihad here is ridiculous.

          More:

          And if we the people decided to clean out the jihad threat by physically eliminating all muslims in our borders, which side do you think that the government would take? And there is your answer folks. The government would take the side of the jihadists. So why keep talking about this, when nothing is ever, or can ever, be done about it, because there is only one solution. OUTLAW ISLAM. Make it a capital crime to practice it.
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          Outlawing Islam would not prevent the U.S. government from waging violent Jihad, as “James” claims happened on 9/11.

          More, in reply to Jay Boo:

          Jay Boo is one ignorant baffoon (sic). Cannot even read what someone writes. I stated emphatically that islam is a threat…
          ………………………………..

          Actually, “James” claimed that Jihad is pulled off by the U.S. government. Why would he consider Islam a threat, if the Jihadists are ‘filthy Infidels’?

          And Eduardo is, of course, referring to sane Anti-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch.

        • James says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 9:49 pm

          gravenimage says
          Re the engineering end of things, the Mechanics Illustrated dismantling of these arguments is an excellent place to start, as Eduardo notes.

          But then, “James” has openly said that he plans on ignoring anything engineers have to say, in favor of ignorant conspiracy theorists.

          What an absolutely arrogant thing to say. Implying that those who work in a corporate/government owned magazine, are in any way, shape, or form, true engineers. They are compromised. Have you heard of the 1200 to 2000 engineers that disagree with them? Are the few, better than the many? Slap a “.gov” behind their name, and they are the sole envoys of the truth? Have you discredited those 2000 engineers with facts that they are all frauds? Did they all get their degrees at ACME, and only those the government endorses are to be believed?

          I also posted one video, and wrote of another using it’s full name. Does watching and reading material only have to be observed on your side? How about looking at my evidence, and then telling me what you think. But nope; it is all a one sided exchange, whereby, if I do not watch or look at yours, I am an idiot, and a retard. But my offerings are to be ignored with the full blessings of the faithful clique that follows you and Eduardo.

          Not once, have you or anyone confronted me on what happens to the human body after being shot by high velocity rifle bullets. Not once. And that is the very heart of what I commented on. Anyone shot, goes to the hospital, and is there until stabilized. Could be quite some time. Never are they released in full color and animation, as if nothing ever happened; ONE DAY LATER. Now imagine the damage of 4 of those bullets entering your lower back. Would all the bullets miss your organs? Would they all miss bone? Bwahhhaahhhahhh! Remember, the bullets, upon entering the body, immediately shatter into many pieces going in different directions, destroying anything in their path.
          Would you have an I.V. attached to you? Any yes’s here? Would you be pail, listless, and in and out of conscientiousness? Any yes’s here? Drugged up? Any yes’s here? Would you be in surgery, and have more planned in the future? Any yes’s here? Turning all your internal organs into jelly, would you be released the next day, with no evidence that you were ever shot? Except for a band aid, of course; for the cameras. Well……that is Pulse.

          I suppose then, that you believe in Al Gore’s climate scientists, that doom and gloom the worlds end, unless, of course, we give mo’ money to the government? After all, those climate scientists work for universities or companies that get grants from the government. And if they do not agree with the MGW, then all funding/grants will cease, therefore, no paycheck. OK, I’ll agree with your data, and put my name to it. I have to support my family, after all. THESE, are your engineers, who work for magazines and NIST.

          “Kathy Brown, Esq. is a respected poster here–“James” is not. (the moronic kabooooooom notwithstanding, of course).”

          Who gives a rat’s ass if she is a respected poster here. You don’t get respect if you don’t give it. I can be as foul mouthed as the next person, and when you attack my character, not knowing me personally, that is beyond what is right. Yes, I wanted to retract what I said about her. I was being overwhelmed by attacks, and just blew it with her. I wanted to delete that comment, but there is no way to do so. Apologizing to her is what I would want to do, but with the original post still in view, it would seem to be a wasted effort. I am being attacked, personally, on all fronts, for simply having a different opinion. Which is, of course, the essence of free speech.

          I would be a respected poster here also, if only I hadn’t brought up any so called conspiracy theory. I am fully aware of the islamic problem, and agree with you all. I also believe that water is wet. But if I said that water was dry, but still believed that muslims were a problem, I would still be slandered, ridiculed, hated, and marked. like I am now. Even though we believe the exact same thing about islam. I never said that islam was being protected. I said that they were being helped along with their jihad by the government. That’s it. They are being helped.

          Now it’s time to get serious.
          You must be one flaming ignoramus to not know that the Obama administration stuffed his administration with muslims. If that don’t beat all. Imagine that. Muslims being helped by the government; what I have been trying to say all along. Put in places of power and influence. Imagine that. The FBI erasing all mention of certain words and phrases muslims don’t want taught. Imagine that. Government banning Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller from entering the country, for the sake of muslims. Imagine that; government protecting muslims. Government helping jihad all along. And I am the nutcase for believing that the government helps jihad along.

          A terrorist in Saudi Arabia can do nothing to us, unless he is given transport to our countries, and let in. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING, you spastic doofus. The southern border is purposely made porous for that very reason; to let many of them in, unmolested. They get to Mexico, and then they come here. Quite simple huh? Not to mention all the plane loads of tens of thousands that Obama let in; bypassing all legal immigration laws. Transporting them around the country to remote areas where they are trained and armed for their future jihad against us. (If they are not being trained and armed, why the remote areas?)

          I have posted here years ago, and agreed with many of you here. But I did not last long, because I was new to the internet and comment sections, and did not know that I would be overwhelmed by emails coming from here. I complained in a comment, and Robert himself asked one of his moderators to take care of my problem. I thought I was removed from the site, so I hadn’t come here for a couple of years, until just recently.

          I thought we were all on the same side; fighting jihad terror. That is not the case. If you don’t believe that the government helps them, you are welcomed here. If you believe that the government DOES help them, you are an enemy. Not a human with a differing opinion, but an enemy. I just proved that the government helps them, from the Obama administrations acts. But that is not the same thing according to those ridiculing me.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 11:59 pm

          More from “James”:

          What an absolutely arrogant thing to say. Implying that those who work in a corporate/government owned magazine, are in any way, shape, or form, true engineers.
          ………………………………..

          Popular Mechanics is a respected publication. The idea that everyone who works there is some sort of fake engineer is ridiculous.

          And Hearst Communications is not the government.

          More:

          Slap a “.gov” behind their name, and they are the sole envoys of the truth?
          ………………………………..

          Again, Popular Mechanics is not the government.

          More:

          Have you discredited those 2000 engineers with facts that they are all frauds? Did they all get their degrees at ACME, and only those the government endorses are to be believed?
          ………………………………..

          “James” is likely referring to San Francisco architect Richard Gage, who runs “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth”. The American Institute of Architects keeps their distance from this group, and does not endorse their views.

          And even he does not claim that America was behind 9/11, although “James” hopes that everyone will make that leap.

          And one of the few actual engineers associated with this group is Dr. Mohibullah Durrani. I’ll leave others to mull over what associations someone named “Mohibullah”: has…

          More:

          I also posted one video, and wrote of another using it’s full name. Does watching and reading material only have to be observed on your side? How about looking at my evidence, and then telling me what you think. But nope; it is all a one sided exchange, whereby, if I do not watch or look at yours, I am an idiot, and a retard.
          ……………………………….

          I never said that “James” was a “retard”. Where is he getting this?

          And I’ve seen plenty of Truther material. It tends to be contradictory, but basically falls along lines that buildings cannot be severely damaged by flying planes into them; that Building 7 could not have fallen with huge amounts of debris on its roof; that if a plane flew into the Pentagon it would leave a cartoon-shaped hole, replete with wings; that all of the people on the planes were paid off and are now living in the Caribbean or somewhere similar; and that 9/11 was really pulled off by George Bush/Mossad/the Masons/random Jews/and-or the Illuminati.

          More:

          But my offerings are to be ignored with the full blessings of the faithful clique that follows you and Eduardo.
          ……………………………….

          Far from being ignored, “James” is getting an enormous amount of attention here.

          More:

          Not once, have you or anyone confronted me on what happens to the human body after being shot by high velocity rifle bullets. Not once. And that is the very heart of what I commented on. Anyone shot, goes to the hospital, and is there until stabilized. Could be quite some time. Never are they released in full color and animation, as if nothing ever happened; ONE DAY LATER. Now imagine the damage of 4 of those bullets entering your lower back. Would all the bullets miss your organs? Would they all miss bone? Bwahhhaahhhahhh! Remember, the bullets, upon entering the body, immediately shatter into many pieces going in different directions, destroying anything in their path…
          ……………………………….

          “Jame’s” claims that everyone who survived the Orlando shooting was released the next day is simply mistaken.

          “Last Orlando Shooting Survivor Discharged From Hospital”

          “The last survivor of the Orlando shooting has been discharged from the hospital nearly three months after the attack on a gay nightclub.”

          http://time.com/4481412/orlando-shooting-pulse-nightclub-discharged-hospital/

          His claim that no one had to have surgery is also mistaken:

          “Orlando Hospital Performed Dozens of Surgeries on Nightclub Victims”

          http://abcnews.go.com/Health/orlando-hospital-performed-dozens-surgeries-nightclub-victims/story?id=39819515

          Several people, sadly, also died despite their treatment. Yet “James” is laughing about this.

          More:

          I would be a respected poster here also, if only I hadn’t brought up any so called conspiracy theory. I am fully aware of the islamic problem, and agree with you all. I also believe that water is wet. But if I said that water was dry, but still believed that muslims were a problem, I would still be slandered, ridiculed, hated, and marked. like I am now.
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          No one has slandered “James” that I have seen. I do not hate him; I just don’t think his claims that Jihad is carried out by the US is either true or useful.

          I’m not sure why he thinks Islam is a problem, if he believes that 9/11 and Orlando were either faked or carried out by our own government.

          And “James’s” claim that he is “marked” is ludicrous paranoia.

          More:

          I thought we were all on the same side; fighting jihad terror.
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          It is not “Jihad terror” if is it is being done by the “filthy Infidels” as a “false flag operation”.

          There is no doubt that the authorities are clueless and have enabled Jihad. That is worlds away from the claim that it is the American government that is waging fake Jihad against us.

          More:

          That is not the case. If you don’t believe that the government helps them, you are welcomed here. If you believe that the government DOES help them, you are an enemy. Not a human with a differing opinion, but an enemy.
          ……………………………….

          No one has called “James” an enemy, a second-class citizen, questioned whether he is human, or said he should die–all things he has now claimed. This is the real slander.

        • jimmyb says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 5:47 am

          gravenimage
          Boy are you one ignorant person.

          “Popular Mechanics is a respected publication. The idea that everyone who works there is some sort of fake engineer is ridiculous.

          Who says they are respected; you? They may have been long ago, but not anymore; not since their 9/11 article, proven wrong. “September 11; The New Pearl Harbor.” I have said it before, and here it is again. Watch it. It has your favorite Mechanic characters in it, so pop some popcorn, sit down and enjoy.

          And Hearst Communications is not the government.

          More:

          Slap a “.gov” behind their name, and they are the sole envoys of the truth?
          ………………………………..

          Again, Popular Mechanics is not the government.”

          Oh, but they are. Dig deeper. Where do the tentacles lead? Who is on their board of directors, the CEO, many others. What is their history, where did they come from prior to joining Hearst/P.Mechanics? Are any members of, or former members of, any secretive government group, such as the CFR, the CIA, the Bankers, the Jesuits, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers? It is a FACT that all media in this country is owned by only a handful of corporations. They all get their marching orders from those pulling the strings at the very top. Every single station, which should be competitors, will mouth the same words, identically, for many stories. There are videos on this, proving it. Meaning, even though they are supposed to be competitors, they all get the same information; identical, and read it on air to the sheep. They have no true reporters of their own, only screen readers. Told to give the news, that the higher ups give them. Many reporters have quit because their stories were not allowed to go on, because it exposed some truths that the corporate dogs want to hide.

          “James” is likely referring to San Francisco architect Richard Gage, who runs “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth”. The American Institute of Architects keeps their distance from this group, and does not endorse their views.

          Who are you talking to? It is like you are speaking to someone behind my back, about who I am talking about. The AIA are a spineless bunch, unwilling to stand behind the evidence shown them with their own eyes, and instead, voted to continue receiving a paycheck and government funding, which would have been cut off had they voted for it, so they would not join up with AEfor 9/11 Truth, or vote for what they were to vote for. Damn that government tit blackmail works every time.

          Here you are giving the AE9/11 group, a questionable, at best, rating, not to be trusted or believed, and the AIA as some good outstanding group, quite obviously to be preferred.

          “Jame’s” claims that everyone who survived the Orlando shooting was released the next day is simply mistaken.

          This is a blatant lie, to please your clique. I said TWO, 2, II, people. Media darlings, thrown out to the gullible public as survivors of the “event.” The one I am talking about, is the one who got shot 4 times in the back, which went through and out the front. Hit no organs; shattered his hip, yet was released from the hospital, the next day, with zero surgeries, and zero future surgeries. Not possible in the world of humanity and reality. Shattered hip mind you, but was sitting straight up in a car being interviewed by the corporate media.gov. No loss of color in his face; no grogginess from pain killers, chipper as a lark. Then he goes online, shirtless, and everyone can see with their own eyes, that no bullets went through his front. Saying that, makes me and others, conspiritards. He also claimed that he was shot in the hand, while waving his completely undamaged hands in the air, as he spoke in the hospital.

          The government can create people out of thin air. Create a name, have software create a face, and kazaam, you have an instant human being. Add a few vital statistics, and no one is the wiser. Those with half a brain, knows that this technology exists; as you said before; it is common knowledge. How do you know that all those victims/patients, are real? How do you know they even exist? Throw out a list of names, show pictures of wounds, but not the face, so the wounds can be from someone in their archives.

          “Several people, sadly, also died despite their treatment. Yet “James” is laughing about this.”
          Blatant, and fabricated lie. Liars go to hell. I never laughed at anyone killed, if they were killed. I want proof. I want gore. That is the only way to prove it. Don’t hide it from the public. In Russia, a few years back, some terrorists killed many, many, children in a school. A horrible incident. The Russian media did NOT cover it up. They showed everything. Little bodies under blankets. Remove the blanket for all to see. That is what needs to be done in every case. No more Sandy Hook cover ups.

          With our government and media, it is always, the officials told us this, the authorities told us that, an unnamed source told us this, two federal agents told us this, ad infinitum, ad nausium. Tell us the truth. Give us the names. Show us the proof.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 5:18 pm

          Is “James” now posting as “jimmyb”? Looks like it.

          This is my favorite line:

          “The government can create people out of thin air. Create a name, have software create a face, and kazaam, you have an instant human being.”

          Nope, ‘fraid not. Not only is the US government not waging violent Jihad against us, but they are quite incapable of creating human life.

    • Ashley says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 3:36 pm

      ??????????

      Can you please explain your comment, James?

      Thank you in advance.

      • James says

        Dec 4, 2017 at 9:55 pm

        Ashley, if you read my replies to those who are slamming me, you may get some of your answers. Since I believe that the world’s leaders are in league with Lucifer, whom they worship, and have been given untold wealth and power because of it, and that they have an agenda, worldwide, to bring the world into Satan’s New World Order, (something Bush Sr. strove for,) that the leaders want so desperately, I am the kook. I believe that the devil is in charge of this world, and that his subjects (the world’s elites) will use anything and everything at their disposal, to bring the world into the control of the Antichrist. Yes, the biblical Antichrist. Using muslims and islam for their desired goal, is not past them to do. A ready made army of fanatics that will do their bidding for them, in setting the globe on fire, and killing millions of useless eaters (us) in the process, (Georgia Guidestones) while they sit in their castles and party.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 4, 2017 at 10:29 pm

          One can have faith in Christ and not deny the anti-Christ nor the baneful influence of demonic non-physical forces without having to rely on hoaxes, rumors, and trumped up conspiracies founded in endlessly expanding speculations running counter to facts and becoming deceptions. If you believe in lies, that supports the demonic adversary you claim to be against. Stick to peer-reviewed scholarship of which there is plenty among Christians. Avoid internet trash and popular conspiracy stuff. Read critiques of every theory to which you subscribe, especially theories you are inclined toward.

        • James says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 am

          “Stick to peer-reviewed scholarship of which there is plenty among Christians.)

          That’s a good one. I laughed for a long time before I could respond. Peer reviewed. Peer reviewed means if you go against us, you will not get any more funding. So you must agree with our conclusions. Like climate scientists. State the facts about the farce of man made global warming, and you don’t get any funding, and get blacklisted as some nut job kook; just like what is happening to me.

          Did you know that NIST did NOT have their experiments, data, computer models, or conclusions peer reviewed? They just forced their opinion on the world, and that became the official story. They refuse, to this day, to give their information, and how they came by it, to anyone. They are the government, you see. They can do whatever they want, and your sorry ass, MUST BELIEVE, AND OBEY. Which you do. They said that to show how they did their study to others, would endanger the public. What a joke. What a sick and evil joke, the government is. Of course it would endanger the public. Once the public knew that they committed 9/11 for endless cash from war, and at the same time, to destroy the Constitution and all of our rights, the public would start a revolution.

        • Ashley says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 10:47 am

          Thank you for your response and thoughtful comments, James.

          You present a valid argument, IMO. I can’t explain why the West is intentionally committing suicide. I may not agree with all your assertions but at least you lay bare your opinions. I find that admirable. I find that courageous.

          That said, this post is in regards to Noor Salmon. Was she aware of her husband’s intention? Was she complicit? I’m not sure how this mushroomed into JFK and 9/11 territory.

          Be well.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 6:25 pm

          Wait–“James” believes that every elected official worships Lucifer? I’m afraid he has just proven that he *is* a kook, if there was any doubt remaining.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 10:57 am

      In regard to 9/11 being a hoax, I knew someone on the plane which flew into the second building and you can believe me that she is dead. If this were just a government hoax, how did the government convince all of those on the planes and in the buildings to play dead and move to Canada or wherever they are? How did they convince their families to go along with it? How did they convince Canada to take them in? Horse feathers.

      Anyway, the subject of this is the wife of the shooter in Orlando, not fanciful conspiracy theories. Her IQ is likely that of any run of the mill Muslim and she should certainly be prosecuted.

      • James says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 12:43 pm

        Obviously you did not see how this evolved into 9/11 and other things. I just made the simple statement of fact, that the Pulse Nightclub shooting was a drill gone live, fake media extravaganza. I laid out facts of what happens to real people when they are shot, and no one, not a single person, answered that, but instead called me vile names, and attacked my character. THEY brought up what they called “conspiracy theories,” not me. I just had to respond to the attack they made on me personally, but not on my conclusions with facts of their own, proving I was wrong about Pulse.

        And I am sorry that you lost someone in the attack. Many people died that day.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 2:46 pm

          Folks, James thinks that the magazine Popular Mechanics is secretly an organ of the federal government, and that 9/11 was an inside job by the federal government. He admits he has never even read the Popular Mechanics critiques of the many 9/11 conspiracy theories. One can be sure that his “evidence” that Popular Mechanics is an organ of the federal government is either non-existent, or else the “evidence” he has is full of holes he has never troubled himself to look through. If you look at the Pop Mechanics book on the 9/11 conspiracies, it includes the views of numerous technical experts and direct witnesses. But the 9/11 Orwellian “Truthers” like James — in their arrogance they call themselves “Truthers” — believe that these technical experts are actually C.I.A. or the like, and the 9/11 witnesses consulted by Pop Mechanics are lying and in on the conspiracy. James would have us believe that dozens or even hundreds of American government operatives illegally planned to murder 3000 Americans and the illegal plan never leaked? Just think about that.

          Suppose you were an American government operative and got invited into the illegal conspiracy. Even assuming you were just fine with the murder of 3000 Americans, you would feel immense pressure to turn in the whole bunch, because you would know that if you failed to do so, you would go to jail for life if any of the other dozens of conspirators decided to bail and leak the plot. The more people involved in an illegal conspiracy, the more impossible it becomes to carry it out without getting caught. Even two people can barely keep a secret. And we are supposed to believe that many many more than that agreed on the murder of thousands of Americans and covered it up?

          Even if you do believe that, consider. As the above comments thread documents, James believed in an 1871 fabled Pike/Mazzini letter as proof that back in 1871 three world wars had been planned in advance, that the first two had been successfully carried out according to the 1871 plan, and that the third stage was now about to be completed. James never even bothered to google critiques of the claims that a Pike/Mazzini letter existed (he apparently does not practice even that incredibly elementary sort of intellectual hygiene, i.e., checking claims by googling around for critiques and counterevidence, but just believes whatever he feels like believing, reality be damned) and consequently it was complete news to him that the Pike/Mazzini letter was an elaborate hoax. I doubt he ever bothered to go to the link I posted in two previous comments and examine the evidence that the Pike/Mazzini letter was a hoax. This is clearly someone strongly attached to his fantasies. He has fallen down the rabbit hole and has no desire to come out. But now I will take my own earlier advice and leave him to his adventures in wonderland.

          Here again is the link to the investigation of the Pike/Mazzini hoax:
          http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

          For anyone who is not determined to follow James into his world of wonders, here is the Popular Mechanics article on 9/11 conspiracy theories:
          http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

          There is also a link in that article to the book, which is a much expanded version of the article.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 6:30 pm

          “James’s” claim that the people who were shot and murdered at Pulse Night Club were not “real” is just sickening.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 6:31 pm

          Fine post, Eduardo.

        • James says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 6:33 pm

          eduardo odraude
          There you go again, talking to yourself, as if you have a murder of followers that are waiting to hear what you have to say. What a naive, puffed up, ignorant little man you are. Throwing out PM as if they are infallible. They ARE involved with the government in some way. If they get funding and/or grants, of any kind, even in the past, from the government, in any way, you can bet that they must toe the line. Who has Time magazine made their man of the year? Hitler, for one. Are there any other upstanding people to get that award? Is Popular Mechanics any different?

          You call the hundreds of witnesses that heard multiple secondary explosions throughout the day, liars. Cops and firemen. Eyewitnesses that were blown across the room in the lobby and in the basement; blown to the wall of elevators, speaking from hospital beds, liars. You call those dying from irreversible lung damage, who joined in the rescue effort, because the government lied about the air quality, liars. When in fact the whole area was engulfed in asbestos and other deadly chemicals.

          But hey, PM is THE manual for getting to the truth. They are flawless, and never to be questioned. None of them have an agenda. None of them are compromised. None of them have skeletons in the closet. Have we dug deep enough to find out who the owners and/or the editors of that rag might be? What are the connections to banks or government agencies that the magazine might have? Are any duel nationals on board that magazine? Are there any on that magazine, even one, who is a member of the CFR?

          One of your editors on that rag, I believe his name is Meigs, (and I could care less if I spelled it wrong,) said that the airplane that hit the Pentagon, was as if it had turned into a liquid. Now there is one smart puppy. Oh yes, he is truly an investigator to look up to and worship. In reality, he is the epitome of stupidity. A moron of unequaled caliber; so high above the rest of us in intelligence, (gag) so I can see why you worship him. Birds of a feather. Another said that the wings folded back and then joined the rest of the fuselage into the building. Another said that once inside the building, the airplane debris joined forces with itself, and became like a cannon fireball. These are the minds of PM.

          Or how about that little, self important, wimp of a man, who works for NIST, who stated that there was no molten steel at the site. Dozens of videos and testimonies prove otherwise, yet this government agent’s word is gold, and is part of the official story; evidence be damned..

          And you obviously have never heard of the Manhattan Project, where tens of thousands were employed, and no one leaked the info about them making the atom bomb for years. What a naive jackass you are. Leave me alone, you filth, and back off. I am done with you. You are a leech that will not let go. You are one of those wretches that just has to get the last word in.

          You need to look up compartmentalization. Most of those that play a part in these things, do not know the whole picture. They do their part, and think they have done something good. But they also sign non disclosure agreements, which may include extremely harsh penalties.

          One person is employed to make hollow cast iron round balls with a hole in it.
          One person is employed to make small diameter ropes.
          One person is employed to mix a few chemicals together.
          One person is employed to make a glue.
          None of them know what the others are making.
          All of them believe they are doing something good, when in reality, they are all making parts for bombs to kill people with. How can you leak that which you do not know, until it is too late?

          You continue to insist that I watch or read your evidence, while ignoring the ones I told you about. You haven’t looked at mine, why should I look at yours? If Jehovah’s Witnesses asked me to study their material, I would reject it flat out, because no matter what they use as their evidence, or how many pink bows they slap on it, I know it is a fraud and a fake; therefore, I need not look at it.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 6:27 pm

        Carolyne wrote:

        In regard to 9/11 being a hoax, I knew someone on the plane which flew into the second building and you can believe me that she is dead.
        ……………………

        Carolyne, I am so sorry that this happened to your friend.

        • James says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 7:32 pm

          gravenimage
          Spare everyone your fake condolences. They make any sane person puke. You are only saying it in response to my believing that it was a FALSE FLAG, (not a hoax,) trying to rub it into me. You are trying to imply that you are a good person, and that I am a bad person. I’ll have you know, that I also gave Carolyne my condolences.

          What you did was to ridicule and slander me, going down the line of comments, adding your two cents here and there, and then you came to her post, and made your condolences. So obviously fake. You were expecting another post to condemn me, but it happened to be hers. You took out your claws attacking me, and then, when you came to her post, you withdrew your claws, and tried to act all human again.

          What I believe about 9/11, or Pulse, or Sandy Hook, or Boston, does not make me a bad person. But that is what you and others here are doing to me. You don’t know me at all. I have compassion on my fellow human beings. I give to my local Union Gospel Mission, to help feed the homeless, and give them a place to stay out of the cold.

          But you are not intelligent enough to even know what a false flag is, are you? You don’t believe that false flag attacks have ever happened in history. It must be conspiracy retards, like me, that came up with that term.

          And if you do know what a false flag is, why would you believe that it does not continue to happen in our day and age? What makes you believe that the government cannot do anything bad? Or in secret? Or with an agenda? Give all the reasons why this cannot happen. Do our government officials, which would include some Senators and Congressmen, ever get together in secret to plan things. Do you believe that happens? If you answered yes, then congratulations, you believe in conspiracies, because by definition, a conspiracy is two or more people getting together in secret to plan things against certain people or nations. That would make you one of the dreaded conspiratoids. Ha Ha to you.

          Oh, and I didn’t say that EVERY SINGLE person who works in the government worships Lucifer. I said the leaders. That includes the international bankers, and many others. I also do not believe that anyone on this planet can become a billionaire, unless he gives himself over to Satan. Look at the Gate’s. What have they become? Killers of mankind in the vaccine industry. Have you ever heard of that place in California, can’t think of the name off hand, where in the summer, they all go to worship the owl? What else do they do there? Have you heard of skull and bones? What happens there, to the future government leaders? How about those yearly Bilderburg meetings? No conspiracies being planned there, eh? Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission. No secret meetings there I suppose too, eh? Conspiracies exist, and are being planned, on a DAILY basis.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 12:26 am

          More from “James”:

          gravenimage
          Spare everyone your fake condolences. They make any sane person puke. You are only saying it in response to my believing that it was a FALSE FLAG, (not a hoax,) trying to rub it into me.
          ……………………………

          This is insane. Carolyne and I have replied to each other’s posts many times, long before this.

          I would be concerned that she had lost a friend on 9/11 no matter who was responsible for it.

          How can “James” be so self-centered that he thinks if someone offers condolences that it is intended as a rebuke to him?

          More:

          You are trying to imply that you are a good person, and that I am a bad person. I’ll have you know, that I also gave Carolyne my condolences.
          ……………………………

          Well, that’s nice–and I mean that sincerely.

          As for whether I am a good person or not, I have a posting history here dating back to 2005. I think many people here have already made up their minds as to my character.

          I have offered condolences and expressed concern for other posters here many times, as most who has read my comments here over the years know.

          More:

          What you did was to ridicule and slander me, going down the line of comments, adding your two cents here and there, and then you came to her post, and made your condolences. So obviously fake. You were expecting another post to condemn me, but it happened to be hers. You took out your claws attacking me, and then, when you came to her post, you withdrew your claws, and tried to act all human again.
          ……………………………

          This is nuts. I have replied to many posters here, not just “James”, both on this thread and on dozens of others over the past couple of days.

          Even “kaboooooooom mentioned that I comment here at Jihad Watch all the time.

          More:

          What I believe about 9/11, or Pulse, or Sandy Hook, or Boston, does not make me a bad person. But that is what you and others here are doing to me.
          ……………………………

          No one has said that “James” is a bad person. That does not mean that we are therefore required to agree with all of his loony claims, though.

          More:

          You don’t know me at all. I have compassion on my fellow human beings. I give to my local Union Gospel Mission, to help feed the homeless, and give them a place to stay out of the cold.
          ……………………………

          This is lovely, and I am genuinely glad to hear it. That does not, alas, speak to whether these views re Jihad are accurate, though.

          More:

          But you are not intelligent enough to even know what a false flag is, are you? You don’t believe that false flag attacks have ever happened in history. It must be conspiracy retards, like me, that came up with that term.
          ……………………………

          Of course I know what a “false flag” operation is. That does not mean that I am ergo required to believe that this is what 9/11, Orlando, or any other Jihad terror attack is, though.

          And no one said that conspiracies do not exist. As noted, most Jihad terror attacks are, indeed, conspiracies–just not by Infidels.

          More:

          Oh, and I didn’t say that EVERY SINGLE person who works in the government worships Lucifer. I said the leaders.
          ……………………………

          The idea that all leaders worship Lucifer is ridiculous.

          Does Netanyahu worship Lucifer? Did Ronald Reagan? Margaret Thatcher? Winston Churchill? This is ridiculous.

          I think that Bill Gates is fairly clueless about Islam, as are many others. But the idea that his foundation working to eradicate polio is proof of his “worshipping Lucifer” is just grotesque.

          I actually consider trying to wipe out childhood paralysis to be a *good thing*. The main people who oppose these vaccines are in fact pious Muslims:

          “Pakistan: Muslims murder 15 with jihad attack at polio vaccination center”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/pakistan-muslims-murder-15-with-jihad-attack-at-polio-vaccination-center

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 1:40 am

          “What I believe about 9/11, or Pulse, or Sandy Hook, or Boston, does not make me a bad person.”

          True enough.

          “But that is what you and others here are doing to me.”

          What i’ve seen others doing is strongly criticizing your statements.
          They have been a bit taken aback by your tone, and how quickly you race away with claims of persecution. Chill out a bit fella, i know it’s important, but seriously, relax a bit.

          “You don’t know me at all.”

          I don’t know you at all, agreed.

          What i’ve seen so far however is a quick temper, name calling, claims of persecution, and a tendency to exaggerate. Don’t worry. It’s nothing to be ashamed of. We all do it sometimes.

          From the little i do know from the posts here (the first i’ve read from you) it would be good for everyone if you calmed down a bit. Take your time. Focus. Try to give the benefit of the doubt to others if you think the tone of something you read seems to be attacking you. Often, it’s not.

          If it is, that’s ok.

          I’m not against you or what you believe. I don’t agree though. Much.
          Stick around, please. But let’s find a different gear.
          🙂

        • jimmyb says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 3:51 am

          LeftisruiningCanada
          You are stating that I am the one attacking others. OK. Here is a list of attacks that I got FIRST, and only then, responded in kind.

          gravenimage says
          Another moron claiming that Jihad terror has nothing to do with Jihad, and that Muslims are just innocent bystanders of terrorism perpetrated by the filthy Infidels. Try again, creep.
          Highlight; moron, creep. Good way to talk to people; makes people respond in kind.
          Must be confronted.

          p bay says
          What mosque do you attend, James?
          Highlight; Thinks I am a muslim slander; Must be confronted

          Jay Boo says
          James
          You are watching way too much of the ‘View’

          Are you related to Rosie O’Donnell?
          Highlight; False accusations, slander; Must be confronted

          eduardo
          So far, your arguments would only be convincing to someone whose critical thinking ability is either inferior to a toddler’s or else corrupted by an unhealthy psychological foundation
          Highlight; belittlement, demeaning, false accusations, slander Must be confronted

          And I see you are a 9/11 Truther
          Highlight Like calling someone a racist or islamaphobe, to shut them down. Instantly being labeled as a kook, to be brushed off as an unintelligent being Must be confronted

          Calls me a “mentally incompetent loonies”
          Highlight Attack on my character Slander Must be confronted

          Kathy Brown Esq.
          It’s bad enough listening to your drivel. You could at least spell and punctuate correctly.
          Highlight What I say is irrelevant something subhuman can’t spell
          Must be confronted

          gravenimage says
          The Albert Pike letter is a well-known fraud.

          Highlight False claim; out and out lie. Grass being green is well known Pike’s letter is not. Inferring that I don’t know simple facts and common knowledge that she and everyone else knows. Making me the buffoon and moron.

          I got my information from at least two sources; Dave Hunt, and William Still They are good men, and I would have no reason to believe that they would tell blatant lies about the letter. Yet I am the ignorant one to not know that it is a “well known fraud.”

          gravenimage has stated multiple lies about what I have been saying in my posts. Outright lies and taking them to an absurd level.

          This is just a brief skimming of the attacks on me. They all demanded a response, yet I am the one who needs to calm down?

          I know that you are trying to confront me as a human being, and I respect that. Even if we disagree, we can be civil and cordial. None of them can. It is in their very nature to attack and belittle anyone who has a different opinion than their own. The name calling and slander is meant to belittle the person as an irrelevant person, not worthy of anyone’s time. Except to mock, of course, They will take the time for that, but will not even consider what is being stated.

          Did they sell the steel to China before anyone could investigate the crime scene of the greatest attack in history? Yes they did. To state that fact, is being a conspiratard.
          Did the EPA tell everyone the air was clean, when in fact, it was not? Yes again. Thousands are dying horrible deaths and more are to die from that still. To state that fact, is being a conspiratard.
          Have they shown us even one video of any of the hijackers getting on board the planes they were supposed to have boarded, with the time/date stamp, and have they shown us the passenger lists with all those Arabic names on them? Nope, not one. To state that fact, is being a conspiratard.
          Did hundreds of witnesses, especially police and firemen, testify to the fact that they heard multiple secondary explosions going off all the time? Yes, with video and audio proof. To state that fact, is to be a conspiratard.
          I see many problems with unanswered questions. Too many to casually brush off. I want the truth. I hate liars. They still, to this day, hide the JFK files. Why, if there was no conspiracy to kill him?
          These people who are attacking me, live day to day, with that very conspiracy being hidden from us, yet they say there are no conspiracies, and only a retard would believe in them. How many times has the government stated that they cannot tell us or show us things, because of national security, and the fools eat it up. They are using that reason solely to hide the truth and the facts that would expose them to us. And these fools cannot even grasp that concept.

          Do you remember cops in the 60’s and 70’s? They would come by and buy a lemonade from the little girl selling it. They would help you get your cat out of a tree. Now they will taze/beat/kill the dad for “interfering in an investigation” if he tries to confront them on it, when they tell them to take the stand down because they have no permit.

          I was born in 55, so I have seen a lot. I never saw chemtrails in the skies before. Now they are virtually everyday, criss crossing the skies; turning what would have been a sunny day, into a miserable grey day.
          I was in the lunchroom at school, in the second grade, when I heard about the Kennedy assassination. I watched the moon landings. All that time, from then, until the 90’s, there was no muslim problem. Never did I hear a word about them. At least, I do not recall. So all that time, they were relatively peaceful around the world. What changed? Israel was already a nation when I was born. Except for that area of the world, I never heard of any muslim problems in the U.S.
          In my opinion, from a Christian perspective, the only possible explanation for this, is that the rulers of the world, (political, economic, religious,) who get their orders from Satan, have turned everything up 10 notches because this old world is about to come to its end, and he knows he only has a short time left. He uses the worlds powers, to use whatever they can, to get his bidding done. The destruction of the world, and its people. Muslims provide him with a ready made army to do just that. But they need help from powerful forces to do that. The deep state works to that end. And that is where I am coming from.

          By the way, I am changing my name to Jimmy B. That is the name I originally came here with. I don’t know why I put James down in the first place, even though it is my name, I just use jimmyb in all my commenting; part of my email number. There could be many James’s, so how would one know which is talking? So Jimmy B narrows it down a little, I guess.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 2:21 pm

          Hi JimmyB,

          Glad to have a reply from you, thanks for putting that together.

          Please try to read me as having a gentle tone as i assure you i’m not attacking you in any way. It will be necessary to refer to you and your posts directly, using “you”, “your” etc etc, and i know that can sometimes come across as being attacking, but it’s not in this case.

          I looked at the list of comments you quoted. It appears to me, as i looked through, that the initial response from GI was the only one that came before anything you had said of like kind.
          However, although in your first post of Dec 4, 2017 at 3:23 pm there were no explicitly insulting terms used, there were a number of statements that i believe led to a quick escalation of language from GI and then others:

          Anyone, who has anything upstairs, knows that this event was a fraud
          It is absurd to even give it a second thought.
          it is a wonder how anyone could believe it.
          They may have used a muslim as the perp, but that was part of the plan in this drill gone live event.

          It may have been that you had no intention that these phrases would be taken as insults, but we can probably agree that there is more than a little chance that they could be taken as such. With the raising of what we might understand will be controversial ideas, even greater gentleness is needed, wouldn’t you say?

          As i’m sure you know it’s so very easy to be misunderstood online.

          Just as a suggestion, it may have been useful to include some links making the case for the ‘staged event’ idea. It’s clear you are very familiar with all the evidences and arguments for it, and that to you the official story seems ridiculous. But i have to say that, even as one who isn’t averse to looking at allegations of State involvement in anything that happens, the tone of your original post didn’t give it the best chance of being heard.

          Also, just from taking an overview of your comments, i didn’t see much interaction with sources offered by others, or sources offered by yourself. Your posts tend to be long and full of statements with little outside citation to relate them to something beyond themselves. For me, perhaps being interested to see how your ideas stand up against opposing arguments, it would be great to see that kind of interaction.

          After that first response by GI, which i can understand from GI’s perspective of having seen many posters trying to shift blame away from islam here before, things quickly became quite heated.
          It was interesting to note the use of the phrase “must be confronted” after each of the quotes included in your last post. Confrontational seems to describe the general tone of the whole exchange above, and yet it need not have been so imho.

          From some things you have said, would i be right in thinking that you are a Christian?

          If so, then my reply to :

          “They all demanded a response, yet I am the one who needs to calm down? ”

          would be, yes. As ones who claim the name of Christ, we always would want to try and take that option whenever at all possible, wouldn’t you agree?
          Emotions flare of course, and it’s often difficult to read something and not be effected by it.

          Scripture lays things out simply but powerfully for us:

          A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
          Proverbs 15:1

          “Even if we disagree, we can be civil and cordial. None of them can. It is in their very nature to attack and belittle anyone who has a different opinion than their own. The name calling and slander is meant to belittle the person as an irrelevant person, not worthy of anyone’s time. Except to mock, of course, They will take the time for that, but will not even consider what is being stated. ”

          Civility is very important yes, and especially so when we only have text to communicate with. I believe this medium requires us to go as far as possible, to the point of exaggeration almost, in making our tone sound as gentle as we can, while extending the greatest charity to the written words of others.
          Not that i always manage this of course, but you know what i mean!

          As for the character of other posters on here, i haven’t found it to be as you say. As you have mentioned several times, we are all on the same side, when we get down to it.

          That”s enough for now, i’m already too long.

    • jimmyb says

      Dec 6, 2017 at 2:01 pm

      My apologies to everyone on this site, especially for those who commented on my post. I was wrong to call names to many here. My sincerest apologies to:
      Kathy Brown Esq.
      gravenimage
      eduardo odraude
      Jay Boo
      p bay

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 6, 2017 at 5:46 pm

        No need for apologies.

        By the way, there is footage of the 9/11 hijackers going through security, in case you have not seen it:

        • jimmyb says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 8:51 pm

          Oh yes, I have seen it. If you will notice, there is no time/date stamp to the video. Which means, it could have been a video taken earlier in the year, when they were doing dry runs. Also, most security cameras in 2001, took snapshots, taken one second apart, while this one is like someones video camera. There is another such photo being offered as proof, that shows Atta and his companion, at a checkout. The problem with that one, is that it DOES have a time/date stamp, but clearly shows that it was not the boarding for flight 11, but an earlier connecting flight from Boston. No video exists of any of them actually boarding the planes. Are there not cameras at the gates?

          Everywhere one goes, there are cameras. Airports have them all over the place, including where all the shops and restaurants are. Not one video of any of the hijackers are shown in these places. There should be dozens of photo’s. There are none. At the counter, walking down the halls, eating or shopping at a restaurant, going to their departure gate, nothing. Nothing at all.

          If you could take the time to watch the video I put up, it will show you just about every thing that has questions to them. It is a long video, I believe a 3 DVD set, because 9/11 was a huge event with many things going on. It includes this photo, and so many others. I told you that it was “September 11; The New Pearl Harbor.” The creator of the video, comes from Italy, and as such, has no bones to pick in the fight. I don’t know off hand if it is available on youtube. I bought it, so I can always watch it or show it to others.

          This is just one, of dozens of issues, that have holes, gaps, or questions in them, that have never been answered satisfactorily. Everything must have a conclusion to it, or people are correct and right, to question it. It has just become the norm for anyone questioning these unproven claims, to be thrown to the lions den, instead of answering them with provable facts. So I hope you can take the time to at least watch the video, and if you do, come back here and tell me what you think. Have a good day.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 8, 2017 at 1:01 am

          Still claiming that Jihad is actually being waged by us ‘filthy Infidels’, I see.

          Sorry to see it.

    • jimmyb says

      Dec 6, 2017 at 2:42 pm

      LeftisruiningCanada
      Thank you. And you are absolutely right with all you said. I don’t know if you read it, but I apologized to all the people here. Especially all those who I spoke bad to. You are indeed correct as to how I, as a Christian, should have acted. I have that character flaw of wanting to “get back” at those who say things I don’t like. I will work on that. Thank you again.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Dec 6, 2017 at 11:18 pm

        Hi Jimmyb,
        yeah, i saw your post right after i posted mine up. We were typing at the same time!
        Who doesn’t have something to work on right? It’s not wrong to care about this stuff. Will ask the Lord to lead you along as He knows best. Hope to see you around.

  4. Tom says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    Stupidity is not a valid defense. She must have known that he was spending more than they made in a year and that there was no way to pay it back.

    If she pleads that she did not know that his spending spree was a sign of his jihad plans then she is just stupid, but still must have known that his spending on specific items was aligning with his apparent religious fanaticism.

    I’m not buying her defense.

  5. mortimer says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    Honestly, I didn’t know… well… actually I knew… sorry I lied.

    How many other Muslims pretend that they ‘don’t know’ about jihad plots?

    • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 8:16 pm

      The entire Uhma is complicit. As you know, although only a small percentage of Mohammadans are engaged the actual acts of violence, those who commit jihad need their community to aid and abet them.
      That’s why nations with a low percentage of Mohammadans have little or no terrorism.

  6. Undaunted says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    Really? Whoodathunkit?

    You can prepare for counter-jihad by reading my book: Six-Actual – Why you need to be in charge – and how to do so – in these very dangerous days.

    Cheers

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 12:06 am

      You can find Undaunted’s book here:

      https://www.amazon.com/Six-Actual-Need-Charge-These-Dangerous-ebook/dp/B075Z4PLKC

  7. mortimer says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    Low IQ among Muslims is the result of 50 generations of first cousin marriage inbreeding.

    There are 900 genetically caused illnesses in the Arabia peninsula. Genetic counselling is now compulsory in most Arabian countries, thus Muslim doctors have recognized the problem from Muslim inbreeding is ENORMOUS!

    • Mockingjay says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 7:57 pm

      – And did you know that in the wealthy arab Gulf states, increasingly couples aren’t even capable anymore of conceiving NATURALLY because of all this genetic degeneration?

      – They have to bring in Western fertility doctors to even be able to reproduce.

      – Not even then does it occur to them thay allahs advice to have cousins marry amongst eachother maybe isn’t such a great idea. – They just continue the practice, helped by Western science – and money-hungry doctors of course, who no doubt will also gladly assist their masters in making sure most of the test-tube babies will be male…

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Dec 4, 2017 at 9:29 pm

        Socialized health care in Europe and Canada mean the same happens in the West. Only, being the altruistic commies we are, everyone gets to chip in. Great, isn’t it?

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 12:11 am

        As Muslims see it, the solution to this problem is raping lots of Westerners.

  8. Walter Sieruk says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    That Islamic terror murders of on that night in Orlando were the outcome of those jihad –minded Muslims obeying the instruction found in the Quran , which teaches in Surah 9:123. “O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are close to you and let them fond harshness in you…” Using guns and hand grenades are a very effective way of showing those non-Muslims in Paris much “harshness.” Likewise there are other places in the Quran the teach violence and killing. As in 4:89. 5:33, 9:5,111. Furthermore on Middle Eastern television it was recorded that Imam Suliman Satari said “Annihilate the Infidels… Allah count them and kill them, to the last one and don’t leave even one.” Furthermore Imam Abu Hamza Al-Masri said “What makes Allah happy? Allah is happy when Kafiers get killed. [1]
    . The above words of these Imams reflect the example of Islam’s prophet and the teachings of the Quran. “Muhammad now fell upon them [the Jews] slew all the men, nine hundred of them…”[2]
    Moreover, the Quran reads “When ye encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads, until ye have made great slaughter among them. …” Surah 47:4 let’s face it using firearms and bombs as the jihadists did on that specific day can sure make a greater slaughter “slaughter among them” than a sword a can.
    In short, these Imams and their murderous prophet with their bloody Quran show the world what Islam really is. After all, Jesus did teach “by their fruits you will know them.” Matthew 7:20. [NKJV]
    Thus are the fruits of Islam.

    [1] The disc documentary OBSESSION: RADICAL ISLAM’s AGAINST THE WEST
    [2] THE OUTLINE OF HISTORY: THE WHOLE STORY OF MAN by H.G. Wells

  9. Charles says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 4:01 pm

    Muslum murders dozens, shouts “allah burt fart-bar!”, call 911 and states that it is JIHAD, for the Satanic State, but………
    NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM?
    In the immortal words of my Great-great Grand Pappy; “Well, sheeeee- it!”.

  10. David Stephenson says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    Who is paying the defense lawyer, you might ask? That would be Charles D. Swift, Esq. of The Constitutional Law Center for Muslims in America. Atty Swift is director of said 501 c 3 charity. Again one might ask, who is paying for Mr. Swift and his charity to defend Ms. Salman? That would be The Muslim Legal Fund of America, another 501 c 3 charity. And yet again, one might ask, who is paying MLFA to pay CLCM to pay for Ms. Salman’s defense? That would be the umbrella organization The United States Council of Muslim Organizations!

    Yes, ladies and gents, the collective hive of all the Muslim charities in America is paying for Ms. Salman’s defense. They are not making donations to stop terrorism, they are making donations to defend terrorists. And all those donations are tax deductible at the American citizens expense.

    These are the same people and organizations that paid for the defense of those found guilty in the Holy Land Foundation trials and other terrorist trials.

    It’s all really quite diabolical when you take the pieces apart. They murder us, then use our legal and tax system to get themselves off.

    • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 8:19 pm

      Yes. She who aided and abetted the jihadi is being aided and abetted by the Uhma.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 12:16 am

      This should not surprise.

  11. mike9a says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 5:51 pm

    nothing is working, lawyers has to play mental illness game:
    “Salman’s attorneys argue that she does not have the mental capacity…”

  12. Ric says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    One does not need to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist to this woman’s collusion in the mass-murder. Undoubtedly, the judiciary will, in all likelihood, hand her a slap on the wrist; fearing if they don’t, more homophobic jihadis will crawl from under a rock. Ironically, the Gay community remains in solidarity with Islam. The latter’s preference is to murder Gays en-masse. There is something direly amiss, within the Gay communities, whether it is common-sense or living in a bubble of denial.

    • eduardo odraude says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 7:49 pm

      Not the whole gay community. Let’s not forget the brilliant and fearless Islam-critics who happen to be gay: Douglas Murray (The Strange Death of Europe), Bruce Bawer, While Europe Slept, Milo, and others I’m probably forgetting. There are also I believe quite a few gay ex-Muslims, some of whom comment here.

      • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

        Dec 4, 2017 at 8:20 pm

        +1

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 12:22 am

        True, Eduardo.

  13. CogitoErgoSum says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    Is she really a special ed student or is she using as her the defense the idea that a Muslim woman has 1/2 (and in some cases 1/4) of the brain power of a Muslim man?

    • Sarah says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 10:17 pm

      Either way, she can drive a car – therefore she has sufficient brainpower to differentiate between right and wrong.

      They must be really draining the pool to find an excuse for this idiot. I’m surprised they just didn’t go with ‘depression and PTSD from sexual abuse as a child and domestic violence from now-dead husband that prevented her from speaking out before it happened’ etc.

      At best she might MAYBE have a dose of dyslexia; and dyslexia may account for little Miss Special Ed, but it still doesn’t account for her apparent inability to recognize ‘helping husband buy guns and ammo and planning to slaughter as many as possible is bad’.

      I had an aunt growing up, who had Downs Syndrome and a mental age of 7. She was a beautiful soul – and severely disabled. And she knew the difference between right and wrong as clear as day.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Dec 4, 2017 at 11:10 pm

        She may have known something of what he was up to, and probably knew it was wrong, sure.

        But a simple at heart, possibly beaten and scared house wife isn’t necessarily in the frame of mind needed to turn her husband over to the police. Then put that abusive relationship in it’s context of a wider abusive islamic community, where everyone knows what happens to disobedient wives, let alone what’s threatened to apostates….

        Not everyone ends up being brave enough to be the hero we’d hope for.

        • Sarah says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 12:33 am

          You are an empathetic person, Leftis.

          I can be – but I can switch it off these days, if I have a need. That makes me a lesser person in comparison to you. I take my hat off to you, for being prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt given the probable circumstances she lived under and through.

          Personally, I keep banging on about consequences for actions. That’s one of my two defining motto’s in life that I hold to, religiously. So for me, I’m prepared to block off my heart and be cold and brutal if that is what it takes, from this point forward, to try and prevent my beloved culture from being destroyed by people like her and her ilk.

          But that doesn’t make me a hero, it doesn’t even make me a good person. So again, a tip of the hat, you’re a good human being. 🙂

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 12:39 am

          Well, i didn’t mean to say you were being terrible or anything, far from it!

          Guess i’d just come from responding to the “kill her” type comments when replying to yours.

          Apologies if the tone of my comment came across wrongly.

        • Sarah says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 12:52 am

          Oh gosh, don’t apologize!!!!!!!

          I am 100% not offended whatsoever and I absolutely did not take your tone to be that way!

          You were perfectly polite and respectful – you just made me sit back and think about myself – and my reply was as a result of that. Never apologize because you did a good thing – I am in no way offended or upset or anything at all!

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 1:06 am

          Well then all is :thumbsup:

        • Carolyne says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 11:03 am

          The next defense will be PMS. Look, this woman knew what he was up to, helped him do it or at least finance it, and she is an accomplice. End of story.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 12:36 pm

          Carolyne, we don’t know any of that with enough certainty.
          We have only a few quoted words which said she knew he was ‘preparing for jihad’, whatever she thought that might mean.
          We don’t know she helped him with anything. We don’t know she willingly financed anything, or knew what he was buying, or what for.

          If we knew that she willingly helped, knowing the intent of her husband, then she’d be guilty.

          Until that evidence is shown, there is still room to at least consider what i wrote above about the whole ‘abused wife’ thing. We can’t ignore that when we’re talking about the wife of a mass murdering muslim.

          But all of that still would need to be looked at in the context of what i said above.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 12:34 am

          I agree that not everyone can be a hero. I’m not sure if I could always be.

          But she did not have to be a hero. If she had had a problem with her husband preparing for Jihad, she could have called authorities anonymously.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Dec 6, 2017 at 1:52 am

          She could, you’re right of course……but in some circumstances that could be heroic, couldn’t it?

          I can only imagine the fears of a woman married to a truly abusive and controlling psycho like her husband proved to be. I’d be scared stiff of informing on someone who rules the home, holds the purse strings, beats me, controls me, likes watching ISIS snuff videos, threatens the wrath of allah upon apostates or those who turn away from jihad, and is now amassing weapons to kill people with.

          Then there’s all the other abusive husbands of other beaten wives to worry about.

          She’d be prime suspect if there was a raid on the house.

          I don’t know. Just struggling with condemning a woman in her situation, knowing how hard it is for women under islam. I feel like it’s blaming a victim at this point.

          If it turns out she liked her man making holy jihad against the najas homosexuals, then of course, but right now….it doesn’t sound like some of the other stories that have come down the ‘pike, that’s all.

  14. roberta says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    Maybe she wanted that butthead dead and out of her life. Who could blame her for that?
    But the 49 person collateral damage has to be paid for. Give her the chair- deport the ashes.

    • Carol says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 4:11 pm

      A woman with a smiling face and a hubby taking her on spending sprees! Pictures and actions speak louder than words.

  15. LeftisruiningCanada says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    Unless there is proof of her being a jihadi wife psycho like several from the UK turned out to be, i’m not willing to wish this lady dead or gone.
    If this Omar Mateen fellow was such a good muslim that he decided to follow mohammad into murdering the unbelievers, then there’s a good chance he was a good muslim across the board, meaning that she was as afraid of him as any other battered wife would be of her violent husband.

    • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

      Dec 4, 2017 at 8:23 pm

      Let me restate my comment from above:

      The entire Uhma is complicit. (Being complicit to a crime is a crime in the US.)
      As you know, although only a small percentage of Mohammadans are engaged in the actual acts of violence, those who commit jihad need their community to aid and abet them.
      That’s why nations with a low percentage of Mohammadans have little or no terrorism.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Dec 4, 2017 at 9:23 pm

        “The entire Uhma is complicit.”

        Sure, his mosque buddies especially, if he went to one. There are many who encouraged him using the koran and examples from their wonderful prophet’s life, even if only on the internet.

        I just can’t right now say that his wife deserves punishment, when we don’t see evidence of her being involved. To me, blaming this wife for her husbands actions is not that different from blaming a wife for getting raped and beaten by her husband. That’s what they do in muslim countries.

        If she was dressed up and spitting angry at the kaffir like those women from the UK a few years back, you bet, throw the heavy book at her……and maybe she is. I don’t know, and couldn’t see anything like that when i looked.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 12:06 am

        Some of the Ummah, some particularly in the West, are genuinely ignorant of what the core Islamic texts teach. Those adults who are ignorant are not complicit, but might in some cases be considered negligent the more time goes by without them waking up to the teaching they are supporting.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 12:07 am

          But virtually all the leaders must be assumed to know well enough what Islam teaches.

        • roger woodhouse says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 5:22 am

          There’s non so thick as those who refuse to learn.Our so called leaders refuse to accept that Islam poses a serious threat to us and our way of life.Therefore they are culpable as ‘ignorance’is no defence

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 11:05 am

      Well, being a Canadian and not being on the jury, you don’t have a vote.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 12:25 pm

        If not being on the jury means i can’t talk about this, then none of us should be commenting here.

  16. Mockingjay says

    Dec 4, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    She just thought he was planning on going to the gym more often.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 12:27 am

      Now that is hilarious.

      For those not familiar, this is a reference to the Taqiyya campaign that claimed that Jihad just referred to things like working out more often.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Dec 5, 2017 at 12:41 am

        Ahhh right. So they were trying to make out that the lesser jihad was physical workout, while the great jihad is spiritual workout, or something like that?

        It must be quite a workout running around the streets with those heavy automatic rifles.
        And a suicide bomb is definitely the most effective “one rep max” i can think of.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 5, 2017 at 6:34 pm

          Grimly hilarious.

  17. Michael Casmer says

    Dec 5, 2017 at 10:30 am

    Where did he get the money? He made more than I do.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 6:43 pm

      Yeah, often these guys that go all jihad are fairly successful in their own right – doctors, teachers etc. That guy who did the truck attack in NY had been a truck driver with his own semis and stuff.

      Tells us how bogus the lefts “oppressed deprived minority’ narrative is doesn’t it!

  18. Ashley says

    Dec 5, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    This is a special shout-out to “kabooooooooooooooooooooom.”

    Your condescending comment regarding Graven is baseless, unwarranted and frankly juvenile. “Cheerleaders?” Really? You sound like a frustrated 4th grader with “mommy” issues.

    GI’s contributions to this site are immeasurable. She has tenacity. She knows her shit. I’m sorry that her intelligence, wit, and wisdom make you feel so inferior that you feel reduced to exposing yourself as an asshole. And that is exactly what you did, kabooooooooooooooooooooom. The take-a-way from your comment was essentially “LOOK AT ME! I’M AN ASSHOLE. WATCH AN ASSHOLE IN ACTION!”

    It likely chaps your hide that GI is esteemed here for her contributions, insights, and knowledge. I think it also likely that your disdain towards GI springs from the fountain that she’s a brilliant woman. We can’t have that, now can we kabooooooooooooooooooooom?

    Nice try in your attempt to cause division among those on the same team. You flunked the test, friend.

    • Carol says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 4:17 pm

      K-Boom, it’s Dumbledoresarmy by the way.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 5, 2017 at 6:37 pm

      Thank you, Ashley. 🙂

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