In today’s world, critical thinking is in short supply, which includes differentiating between varying circumstances. For example, it is prudent to oppose unvetted immigration that excludes the essential principle of a two-way street approach to immigration. This does not mean one is racist or “Islamophobic” to promote a two-way street. It spells logic.
It is also not racist to oppose political Islam, Islamic supremacism and jihad; this should be a given for all who enjoy Western freedoms. Unfortunately, there are Muslim groups (such as CAIR and its allies) that are connected to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas terrorist financing. They push a victimology agenda that claims that any criticism of Islam, however justifiable, must be seen as “Islamophobic.” The case of baby Asel Tamga provides a opportunity for these charlatans to employ their bogus victimology agenda yet again.
As far as they are concerned, to point out global atrocities, abuses of women, murders, efforts to delegitimize and obliterate the state of Israel is “Islamophobic.” This victimology subterfuge strategy has been employed by the Muslim Brotherhood for some time, with full support from the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which is a main driver of the “Islamophobia” canard.
Now for the case of the Muslim parents who gave birth to Austria’s first newborn of 2018. Congratulations, and may this new child be a blessing to the nation of Austria, fostering integration, harmony, human rights and the like. To attack this couple and levy abusive language against them because of their coreligionists’ misdeeds is atrocious, and undermines the real efforts to battle the sinister forces of political Islam and its Islamic supremacist bullying of Western society.
Still, there are legitimate concerns about the Islamization of Austria and Europe in general. Europeans and North Americans are becoming frustrated with the stifling of legitimate voices warning about Sharia expansion, and the penalizing of the same. Assaults to democratic rights and freedoms are being perpetrated by leaders who ignore legitimate concerns and who have abandoned their responsibilities to protect their citizens. In their cowardice and determination to appease, they fail to advance the principle of human rights for all, regardless of color or creed.
Austrian President Alexander Van der Bellen has condemned “the hateful attacks on Baby Asel…After wishing Asel welcome to the world, he added that; ‘all people are born free and equal to dignity and rights.”
Let’s hope that the Austrian president truly supports the dignity of all without partiality, which includes standing against the appeasement of questionable Muslim lobbies that are falsely parading themselves as proponents of diversity and opposition to racism. But the chances of this are most unlikely. Back in April, Van der Bellen called on all women to wear headscarves in solidarity with Muslims to fight what he referred to as “rampant Islamophobia.”
These are the types of politicians who stir divisions in their countries, setting Muslims above every other citizen and rendering empty the words that “all people are born free and equal to dignity and rights.” There remains a gross cognitive dissonance of values among the far-left on issues of human rights, freedom and the equality of women, due to their blindspots and political posturing when pandering to Muslims.
“Austria’s president is forced to step in after country’s first newborn of 2018 is revealed to be Muslim, sparking outpouring of racist abuse towards the parents”, by Sara Malm, Independent, January 8, 2017:
The President of Austria has hit back at racist social media users who attacked a newborn baby for being Muslim.
Asel Tamga became the first Austrian born in 2018. Her birth was celebrated in the local press with a photo of the happy family in which her mother wore a hijab.
A deluge of racist and hateful comments followed on social media, forcing President Alexander Van der Bellen, 73, to step in.
President Van der Bellen shared a Facebook post condemning the hateful attacks on Baby Asel, and added his own stern words of wisdom.
After wishing Asel welcome to the world, he added that; ‘all people are born free and equal to dignity and rights.
Confidence and cohesion are greater than hatred and incitement.’
Naime and Alper Tamga from Vienna welcomed daughter Asel at 00.47 on New Year’s Day, making her the first baby born in Austria in the new year.
A photo of the family was shared on Facebook and a rash of racist comments followed among the thousands of well wishes.
One social media user commented: ‘The next terrorist is born.’
Another person wrote: ‘Does the woman have cancer? Or why does she otherwise wear a headscarf?’
The abuse was so severe that Facebook ended up removing the post, local news reports.
Austrian NGO Netpeace said the deluge of hateful comments is proof that online hatred is growing out of control as social media users even manage to turn a happy family picture into hate speech about religion and ethnicity.
The NGO said it is remarkable that so many people are nowadays even posting such comments under their real name instead of using an alias.
Netpeace spokeswoman Sabine Beck said: ‘We think that this present case shows that it is about time to take measures.
‘We urge the Federal Government to take extensive measures. These range from media education in schools to reinforcement of public prosecutor’s offices.’
The hateful messages come amid tensions in Austrian society over the migrant influx to Europe and Islam.
The country’s new conservative Chancellor Sebastian Kurz’s coalition includes a far-right party….
mortimer says
It’s the ideology, stupid!
What is it that a supremacist wants? A supremacist wants supremacy.
What is it that a misogynist wants? He wants women to be second class without equality.
What does Islam want? Supremacism, misogyny and inequality.
It’s the ideology, stupid.
Not all Muslims know what their ideology teaches, but in a pinch, Muslims will submit to Islam’s supremacism and misogyny without a peep of resistance.
mortimer says
JB, you have not read the Islamic source texts, so your opinions are without value.
Phil Copson says
So you suggest that the views of the 99.999% of people around the world who oppose the islamisation of their countries based on empirical knowledge and/or direct experience of the results, are of no value, compared to the 0.001% percent of people who have ?
That’s about as sensible as suggesting that your views on being the victim of a ramming attack would be of no value because you haven’t read the workshop manual of the hire-van that hit you…..
Most jihadis haven’t read the sources either, and most can’t even read, but it didn’t stop them (or their victims) from understanding what violent islamic supremacism is all about.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, of course Jay Boo has read the source texts of Islam. He is quite knowledgeable.
His point is that we should not always care about what *Muslims* want, who are already soaking up all the air in the room.
I take your point though, that it is important to understand what Muslims’ goals are, and how they are achieving them at our expense.
Gea says
I had read Koran, Hadith and Sira…and agree with EX-Muslms that Islam ITSELF is an IDEOLOGY which is worse than Nazism and should be treated as such…Islam does not belong to any country which respects liberty, justice and human rights of all individuals! Islam REALLY STINKS and is the ROOT cause of terrorism and violance nowadays…and rapes…
Terry Gain says
Yes, every Muslim adheres to an ideology which is supremacist, xenophobic, violent and hateful and whose founder and role model was a caravan robber, mass murderer, sex maniac, sexual slave taker, deceiver, rapist and pedophile – a man who stated that he had been commanded to kill infidels and who bragged that he had been successful through terror.
Ms Williams begins her article with this obsequious statement:
“It is also not racist to oppose political Islam, Islamic supremacism and jihad; this should be a given for all who enjoy Western freedoms.”
Sorry Ms Wiiliams, I have great respect for you and I know you are under attack in Canada by the ignorant elite but all of Islam is political. What we are now experiencing is an invasion by an imperialist ideology which was spread by conquest. If we don’t put an end to the invasion we will have either submission or civil war.
We don’t need NO Go Zones and parallel societies in Canada.
Ban Muslim immigration now.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. We all need to stop using modifiers such as “political” Islam, “radical” Islam, etc.
ISLAM is the problem, because it is inherently political & radical.
And using those modifiers only confuses less-knowledgeable people, who assume there must be a “nice” Islam, as well as the Islam that brings us terrorism, misogyny, hatred for non-Muslims, political supremacism, endless warfare, and backward, xenophobic societies. There isn’t. There’s just Islam — which some Muslims understand better and take more seriously than other Muslims.
dumbledoresarmy says
Conor Cruise O’Brien nailed that one, twenty-odd years ago.
In 1995 – at the time of a ferocious civil war in recently-independent decolonised Algeria, between its Frenchified and kafirized rulers, and those who wanted Pure Islam – he wrote an article, which was published in the Independent, entitled “The Lesson of Algeria: Islam is Indivisible”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-lesson-of-algeria-islam-is-indivisible-1566770.html
CONOR CRUISE O’BRIEN
Friday 6 January 1995
The lesson of Algeria: Islam is indivisible
Here is the first paragraph. ““Fundamentalist Islam” (or, for that matter, ‘political Islam’ or ‘radical Islam’ – dda) is a misnomer which dulls our perceptions in a dangerous way. It does so by implying that there is some other kind of Islam, which is well disposed to those who reject the Koran (and the rest! – dda). There isn’t.”
And then, toward the end of the same article, O’Brien – after quoting some boilerplate waffle from then-President Bill Clinton – remarks – “”All the great religions are the same” is the idea.
**Only they aren’t** (my emphasis – dda).
“The Clintonian world view observes [sic: probably ‘obscures’] the hard specificity of Islam.
“The Prophet Mohamed did not offer his followers a chance to live in harmony with their neighbours. He taught them to fight their neighbours, if they were unbelievers, and kill them or beat them into submission. And it is futile to say of those Muslims who faithfully follow those teachings today that their actions are “not intrinsically related to Islam”.
We are facing an Islamic revival….”.
bonnie louise loranger says
You are right and I agree
RichardL says
Asel is pronounced with a sharp s and that means it sounds like Assel. In German that means sowbug or woodlouse. The Viennese couple either does not speak German or they live in an islamic ghetto where the child’s name is normal.
Austria has a government that will not throw away passports any longer. Vienna has always been run by hard-left idiots, just like Berlin, Madrid etc.
mortimer says
Richard, many Austrians no doubt pronounce his name as Esel (donkey).
Does van Asal realize that 15% of Muslims worldwide self-declare as supporters of terrorism?That is Muslim roulette… about one out of six.
It should also be noted that 15% of Muslims (approx.) attend the mosque. Coincidence?
It seems that the more pious a Muslim becomes, the more he takes up the duty of WARFARE AGAINST DISBELIEVERS.
Terry Gain says
If you were a Muslim who lived in the west and were asked if you supported terror, would you admit it? It’s like asking someone how often they have sex.
Islam’s role model and perfect man was a terrorist. End of inquiry.
Anas says
Mind ur language terry
U have no right to insult Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH)
First read about him then tell anything
LeftisruiningCanada says
Anas, why don’t you tell us why mohammad was such a great guy, then we can talk about it.
Can you show that what Terry said was wrong?
gravenimage says
Mortimer, there is no “van Asal”–Asel is the name given to the baby by her Muslim parents.
The president of Austria is President Van der Bellen.
Gwen says
I would hope that someone at the Austrian registry of births would kindly mention that they’re naming their child after a parasite on a pig and that it is not an acceptable name for an Austrian.
Why couldn’t the first Austrian baby as well as the first migrant baby be featured in the media? Or the first five babies or the first baby of each region’s hospital. It seems as if the native people are often being unnecessarily provoked by cultural insensitivity.
RichardL says
a sowbug is not a parasite – it is actually a rather cute insect that looks like an armadillo. In Austria the registrar can refuse to register a child’s name, if it is liability to the child. You cannot name your child Winter, Jihad, Pepsi, or LaToya. But for a popular islamic name like Asel they cannot refuse.
Asel was the firstborn Austrian because her parents are Austrians. In Austria (as in most countries) it is not where you were born but what passport your parents have that determines your nationality. Trump wants to plug this terrible loophole.
Gwen says
Thanks for the clarification. That’s called a ‘slater’ where I’m from.
This is the meaningless and social capital free nationstate all Europeans are forced to celebrate. In Germany people talk in code about being ‘open’ and ‘welcoming’ and ‘The Transition’. The latter term refers to an inevitable and unpreventable process outside and above politics. Kids at school have all been indoctrinated with this view.
gravenimage says
Actually, Jihad *is* a common Muslim name. Silly as they are, Winter, LaToya, or even Pepsi are much better names to have in a civilized country.
And no–in the United States, any baby born here is an American, for good or ill. Believe me, Immigrants *know* this. There is even the term, “anchor baby”.
Shmoovie says
“It seems the native people are often being unnecessarily provoked by cultural sensitivity.”
Agreed! The people are being poked; they must join in to hail the happy news. Otherwise, what’s their problem?
Can’t help suspect that this baby’s arrival wasn’t simply being “celebrated in the local press”; more likely the media trampled each other to sound that ‘born to muslim parents’ trumpet. As well, here comes the *president* to defend the parents’ religion/ideology with a sterness he reserves for one group. Is he so quick to make a statement for others’ beliefs?
And just what sort of “measures” does the Netpeace spokeswoman suggest? Following Germany’s FB model is no doubt a good start.
StellaSaidSo says
The ‘first five babies’ born in some hospitals in Western countries are already Muslim. For every native British mother in a UK maternity ward, there are 10 Muslim mothers. The most popular boy’s name in UK is now Mohammed. The second most popular boy’s name is a different spelling of the same name. The terrorists may kill some of us directly, but it is demographic change which is ultimately the biggest threat to our civilisation. No ‘kufr’ has any reason to celebrate the birth of yet another potential enemy.
mortimer says
What is the ‘race’ of an IDEOLOGY?
Can van Asal guarantee that the child will NOT grow up to be a terrorist?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/706439/ISIS-THREAT-Austria-300-potential-terrorists-Europe-EU
ISIS THREAT: Austria reveals almost 300 potential terrorists are now in the country
HUNDREDS of jihadis are believed to be living in Austria making the country a possible target for the next Islamic State (ISIS) terror attack, it has been revealed.
The country’s Interior Ministry of Austria admitted they have identified 278 potential jihadists – many of whom have spent time in Iraq or Syria.
The numbers were revealed by Interior Minister Wolfgang Sobotka from the conservative Austrian People’s Party after parliamentary questions were asked, according to Austrian daily ‘Die Presse’.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
What the Left has in common with Islam is: hatred of Christianity.
StellaSaidSo says
The hijab is telling us that the newborn is not an Austrian, and never will be. He will always be a Muslim first, and a member of the ‘replacement population’. Who can blame native Austrians for not being overjoyed at the arrival of yet another potential enemy?
Terry Gain says
Remove the word ” potential” and you have a comment which cannot be gainsaid.
Anne Smith says
Will the newspaper also be invited in to photograph her FGM in a few years time?
mummymovie says
Excellent presentation, Christine- Very well written… once again.
It is a tightrope in which we walk in the Counter-Jihad movement, with the ugly, gaping pit of racism below us.
And I know this is not the point of the article, necessarily, but it is hard to deny -judging from the hijab the mother is donning- that this newborn will indeed be entering a life of some degree oppression, courtesy of the islam her parents have embraced, or are very likely unwillingly living under the yoke of themselves.
mummymovie says
And alas- Let is rememeber that islam is not a race!
And whatever it is, it should be sent back under the rock from whence it crawled, and kept there.
The totalitarian ideology of islam has no place in the west. We are still free, and should remain as such.
STOP THE HIJRA
END REFUJIHAD
Shmoovie says
Again agreed.
Most people like babies; don’t see remarks here against this baby herself, just the islamic world she’s joining.
Naturally there’s hope for her to grow into a hijab-stomping freedom lover– rather than a miserable Sarsour-like female.
MFritz says
Poor little Asel, one picture says it all…
Just look at her father, how he wears his hair and how nicely and colorful he dresses. And the way he wears his beard, very fashionable. Yes, he obviously has arrived in Austria, a modern and secular country in the West.
And now look at her mother. The same bland colored, white dress her grandmother would have worn some 40+ years ago. And the hijab covering her head, that goes back over 1400 years. Showing that she, as a woman, submits to sharia law. (No, it’s not a “head scarf” or “Turkish” head gear.) Although she doesn’t live in a muslim country and/or under sharia law. Has anyone ever told her that she doesn’t need to wear it? Or would her husband, her family and peers pressure and shame her to wear a hijab anyway?
Who will explain to Asel that although she was born in a modern country and her father obviously enjoyed its freedoms to dress and act as he liked, she will never be tolerated by her family and peers to do the very same? Because of her only “flaw” according to islam… because she is a woman?
I wonder.
dumbledoresarmy says
Let us pray that baby Asel, as she grows, will do as ‘Hannah Shah’ – and others too! – have done in the UK, and as Mona Walters did in Sweden: **leave Islam**.
Hannah Shah, daughter of a Pakistani imam who had migrated to the UK, left her – horribly abusive – Muslim family of origin, when she reached her teen years; she lucked out with a Christian foster parent and.. because already she had become curious about Christianity… went to church with the dear lady, and took instruction, and was baptised.. and then had to deal with things such as her imam father sending a mob of men with axes to attack the house where she was staying. To punish her for apostasy. (It didn’t stop her; she persevered with her new faith, and is now happily married to a Christian Englishman that she met in church).
Mona Walters is Mona *Walters* because – of Somali ethnicity and Muslim upbringing – she *left* Islam after coming to Sweden, then got interested in Christianity, took instruction, was baptised (by a Syrian Christian refugee priest!!), and then married a native Swedish Christian, with whom she has two little daughters who are growing up as free Swedish Christians.
May baby Asel follow this kind of path, by the grace of the living and true God. May she be led out of the darkness of Islam, into the light of life. And for good measure, may her *parents* also be liberated from the deathdealing and deadly spiritual bondage that is Islam.
I wonder what would have happened if, on social media, *thousands* of Austrian Catholics had posted *that* kind of comment: sincere and devout wishes for the Muslim family to be *freed* from Islam and see the light of Christ? Would *that* have been condemned as ‘hate’???
Anas says
Why nuns wear full clothes with head scarf when they r living in west
In islam men and woman both have rules how to dress but it his/her choice whether to wear that or not
And who give u the right to interfere in other religion…u better follow ur religion which is better for u otherwise we will start interfering in Ur religion which u don’t like
So stop interfering in our religion..what we wear is our choice not others
MFritz says
Do you know anything about Western civilisation and nuns, Anas?
A nun ALWAYS choses her order voluntarily. She is not forced or pressured. She may even leave whenever she wants to. And many orders don’t even demand wearing a habit anymore.
Whereas islam forces and pressures EVERY muslim woman to wear the hijab and submit to sharia.
6woods says
How cute…you’re pretending that Islam hasn’t been “interfering” in other people’s religions since its inception. In fact, that’s the whole point of islam: to “interfere” (sweet little euphemism) with other religions until they cease to exist.
StellaSaidSo says
PRECISELY.
LeftisruiningCanada says
We really shouldn’t be pretending that women have any choice in the matter when they live in muslim controlled areas or nations.
We also need to be acknowledging that many women in western countries are being forced to wear (or are choosing to wear) the head coverings for the purpose of making a political statement. For the purpose of jihad, basically.
StellaSaidSo says
Spot on, Left.
In the West, the wearing of the hijab or variant is ALWAYS a political statement. Some mosques actually pay women to wear it. The hijab announces that the wearer’s first allegiance is not to the country that opened its doors to her, but to a supremacist ideology which forbids integration. It is a flag, a territory marker, a warning. Those who pretend that it is a harmless cultural artifact or a mere fashion statement are either ignorant about Islam, or lying.
Voytek Gagalka says
Bless this baby as it is innocent and has tabula rasa (clean slate) of mind and undeveloped yet potential. It will not stay clean forever and it is parents’ responsibility to “fill it in” with knowledge, value system, and morality. And only for outcome of that future upbringing and education she/he should be judged in the future, as well as their tribe and parental influence (bad or good), too. BTW, hysteria about “Islamophobia” caused all those negative (and stupid) opinions: once people are forbidden to analyze whole situation freely and objectively without being subjugated to penalties and “name-calling,” they will always resort to the lowest denominator and even violence which will be always misguided and counterproductive. Don’t blame them: blame terrible state of cultural degradation PROMOTED and propagated by the left for their sinister goals!
MFritz says
Multiculturalism is most certainly a pipe dream.
But it’s actually possible for cultures to co-exist peacefully together. But only if they don’t compete for the same space in society. And most certainly not if one “culture” preaches utmost intolerance and violence against every other culture on a daily basis.
Yogi says
We don’t hate them , We just don’t want them in our civilized countries, simple like that ..
Cthulhu says
“,[…]all people are born free and equal to dignity and rights.” Yeah, especially muslim girls, like Asel. Was her future husband waiting outside the hospital to take her home? His home.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s a nice Western sentiment, but islam doesn’t believe it.
gravenimage says
One never wants to make much of a single snapshot, but still, this is notable: notice that all the women are beaming, the mother and the hospital personnel, but the Muslim male is deeply scowling.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Could be something to it, but, in his defense, i remember seeing my wife go through giving birth for the first time, and i wasn’t smiling after it either.
Jan S. says
The president is wrong – people are not born free. The Prophet Muhammad said, “No baby is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist.”
(Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)
JawsV says
That’s such a bunch of baloney! And Mo never prophesied anything. He’s a fraud like his fraudulent “religion.” Muhammed the Huckster.
gravenimage says
You are right that Muslims believe that everyone was born Muslim, then rejects Islam (never mind that this is clearly absurd).
This is why converts to Islam call themselves “reverts”.
lebel says
Nothing to see here, this is standard jwatch type hate. Christine is unwilling or unable to see it for what it is. There are very very few people who truly dislike only Islam and not Muslims. Hate for Islam and hate for Muslims go hand in hand. We just have to look at the comments here.
That’s OK, its not really their fault. The fault lies with Robert Spencer who encourage this indirectly and hugh fitzgerald and Raymond Ibrahim who encourage it directly.
Garfield says
Nothing hateful in POINTING OUT FACTS.
Islam is a death cult run like a mafia. Taquiyya and covering it up- the supremacist ideology, FGM, child marriage- is not working anymore though!!!!
JawsV says
Islam is the hate, lebel. They deserve to be hated, Islam and its murderous followers. I’ve detested Islam/Muslims since 9/11. Spencer has nothing to do with it. Capische? Or Trump.
Bravo to the truth-tellers Spencer, Hugh and Raymond! ISLAM IS THE HATE. That’s been known for 1400 years. The “religion of blood and war” as Churchill remarked (1899). It’s only the 21st century that whitewashes anti-Jew/Christian murderous Islam.
lebel says
I appreciate your honesty. At least its not the same old lie about just hating Islam etc.
JawsV says
You’re welcome.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Every single sentence you wrote there is at best a half truth. Several are outright lies.
“Nothing to see here, this is standard jwatch type hate.”
What you are seeing is people annoyed at the political and media islam fetish. If opposing that counts as ‘hate’ (a usefully emotive lie-word if ever there wa one, so easy to hide your meanings inside it) then i suppose only gleeful joy and perhaps a conversion to islam will make you happy.
” Christine is unwilling or unable to see it for what it is.”
Of course she is both willing and able. Her work speaks for itself
“There are very very few people who truly dislike only Islam and not Muslims.”
How would you go about proving that? Do you feel you even need to?
I think the reality is completely the opposite of your statement, as can be seen by the copious reference to primary and secondary islamic literature in every articles comment thread.
If there is is ‘hate’ directed towards individuals, it is because they are acting in accord with islamic doctrine and culture, and have thereby mad themselves it to very unpleasant human beings.
Feel free to bring up an specific example though won’t you.
“Hate for Islam and hate for Muslims go hand in hand.”
Sometimes, but not for reasons of racism as you seem to be trying to make the case for.
If someone believes in a demonstrably evil set of beliefs, like islam for example, and then acts according those beliefs, why is it acceptable to you for people to attack the beliefs but not the individual for their actions?
“We just have to look at the comments here.”
I have, and i’m not sure what you at getting at.
“That’s OK, its not really their fault.”
You don’t think it’s OK, and your insulting condescension is unwelcome.
“The fault lies with Robert Spencer who encourage this indirectly and hugh fitzgerald and Raymond Ibrahim who encourage it directly.”
No, the only fault to be found is in the tenets of an evil and world destroying cult commonly known as islam, and the ones who act to dominate, intimidate and kill others in it’s name.
Pointing at a danger in order to call attention to the risk doesn’t make the pointer evil or a ‘danger hater’.
Good luck finding racism or whatever you want to call it in any of the authors you mentioned above.
JawsV says
LeftruiningCanada: You should direct your comment to Islam apologist “lebel” as that’s who you’re responding to. He’s either a Mohammedan or a Leftist.
And, there are multitudes of people who dislike/abhor Islam/Muslims, for 1400 years.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yeah, there were no other replies beneath his post when i started typing. Once it went up, yours and Garfields were above. Hopefully quoting his entire comment will make it clear enough.
lebel says
LeftisruiningCanada said: ” Every single sentence you wrote there is at best a half truth. Several are outright lies.”
Guy above you wrote:” I’ve detested Islam/Muslims since 9/11. ”
I guess it’s all in my imagination eh?
JawsV says
Oh lebel I’m the “guy above” who wrote: “I’ve detested Islam/Muslims since 9/11. ”
Exactly right. Neither JW nor Trump has anything to do with it. I’m free to despise what I consider deserves despising and that’s rotten anti-Jew/Christian Jihad Islam and its demented murderous polygamous over-populating adherents. You got a problem with that I couldn’t care less.
LeftisruiningCanada says
I said ‘sometimes’ and gave a reason why it might be that way.
Jaws linked his particular distaste for muslims/islam to 9/11, clearly making the connection between the teachings of islam and the acting of them out.
Personally i don’t “hate muslims’. I’ve spent so much time living with them in their own lands, and have been helped by them, that im not going to write off entire populations because they happen to be culturally muslim. It’s obviously not that simple.
But, if a person is going to assert that the teachings of islam are good and true, and then live according to the example set by mohammad, on a certain level that person has made themselves hateful to the majority of the human race…or have they, i’m not sure where you yourself stand on this.
Those muslims that don’t seek to behave like a 7th century wacko clearly aren’t in the same category.
Muslims ask us to see the distinctions there are, as we ask them to notice the differences between Christian denomications etc. I think on whole the posters at JW do that. If not, then ive found that it’s usually in relation to some outrage where anger overrides the restraint which marks the norm.
gravenimage says
I see that the appalling lebel is once again claiming that being concerned with being overrun by violent, supremacist Muslims is “hate”.
In all the years he has been posting here, has he ever said anything critical about the appalling horrors of Jihad? Not that I can recall–his only purpose here is to try to make Anti-Jihadists feel guilty for not wanting themselves, their family, or their neighbors raped or murdered. Bad, bad dhimmis…
lebel says
Of course I have but you just chose to ignore it.
StellaSaidSo says
Face facts, lebel.
Islam is a hate-filled ideology, and, as such, deserves to be hated. If Muslims don’t want to be hated for their adherence to a hate-filled ideology, then the solution is simple: renounce the hate-filled ideology and become part of civilised society.
gravenimage says
As lebel would have it, any opposition to Jihad terror is “hate”.
lebel says
According to gravenimage calling a baby a terrorist is opposition to jihad terror. I guess we would call you a moderate on jwatch
StellaSaidSo says
Face facts, lebel. Any baby born to Muslim parents is a potential terrorist.
Islam IS terrorism. The first victims of Islamic terror are the Muslim children who are indoctrinated with the vile values of the Koran.
JawsV says
“Any baby born to Muslim parents is a potential terrorist.”
Oh, you’re so right, Stella. Due to the Jihad doctrine in Islam ALL Muslims are potential Jihadists.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Nobody called a baby a terrorist.
That bit does seem to be in your imagination lebel.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…the fault lies with Robert Spencer…’
No, lebel, the fault lies with ISLAM. That’s where the hate starts. Read the Koran. It is full of hate. Based on the vile contents of this accursed book, Muslims have preached and practised hatred for 1400 years. But when the objects of that hatred have the nerve to protest, Muslims immediately play the victim, and there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then they go right back to the hating, until the next time they get some pushback, when the tears and tantrums start all over again. Most of you morons have the emotional maturity of a 7 year-old, and the intelligence of a garden gnome. It’s time you abandoned your ridiculous superstitions and started behaving like responsible, adult human beings. God knows the world has been waiting long enough.
6woods says
Hey lebel – islam doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Were it not for MUSLIMS practicing ISLAM in its full and horrific glory, including JIHAD, there’d be no need for JIHADWATCH, would there? Robert Spencer would be free to get on with his life.
Prabh108 says
Moslems don’t recognize 1st of January as legitimate New Year – this is the day jihadists attack girls of German ethnicity. This family rightfully belongs near black rock of shoddie-barbaria.
Science and philosophy have shown Islam is not a legitimate religion.
Science validates Dharmic religions.
DUO: Dharmic Unity Organization needed to replace failure of an institution known as uno.
Garfield says
When is a woman more beautiful and in her natural glory than when she gives birth? So these Muslims wrap her head in a BAG? There is something abhorrent about a woman’s closeness to her newborn blocked by a HEAD BAG.
Prabh108 says
Mother-child bond of love is diminished.
Anas says
U r commenting a woman how to wear clothes
This shows ur cheap mentality
StellaSaidSo says
Of course Muslims would never DREAM of telling a woman ‘how to wear clothes’…
I guess that explains why so many Muslim women are killed or injured for failing to wear a headbag.
Garfield says
Nothing hateful in POINTING OUT FACTS.
Islam is a death cult run like a mafia. Taquiyya and covering it up- the supremacist ideology, FGM, child marriage- is not working anymore though!!!!
JawsV says
“Now for the case of the Muslim parents who gave birth to Austria’s first newborn of 2018. Congratulations, and may this new child be a blessing to the nation of Austria, fostering integration, harmony, human rights and the like. ”
You’re joking, right? What’s “atrocious” is the Moslem invasion of Europe. This kid will be poisoned by Islam from the get-go.
Jayell says
“One social media user commented: ‘The next terrorist is born.’”
Not a ‘nice’ thing to say, but (a) it’s not ‘racist’ and (b) judging from recent European experience, it could well be accurate.
lebel says
@Jayell
Its awful, its disgusting, its revolting, but you can’t see that because of your hatred for all Muslim men, women and children. It is normal for you to make excuses for this.
gravenimage says
Islam does indeed teach Jihad terror. How can lebel pretend that this is not so?
Would he take the same position re Nazism?
lebel says
Yes if a baby was born to a German couple I would not call it a future Nazi. That would be disgusting.
I’m not surprised at your inability to condemn this, we are talking after all about the object of your hate (All Muslim men, women and children)
JawsV says
lebel, there are no more Nazis in Germany. That’s over and done. Islam however has been around for 1400 years and is as murderous as Nazism. These people are Muslims and their kid is also a Muslim. Let the Jew/Christian-hating begin. What should be condemned is Islam and Jihad. The Koran should be condemned as a war manual.
A baby born to a German couple is Jewish or Christian. Got it?
gravenimage says
I did not say a “German couple”–I said Nazis.
Pretending that this has to do with ethnicity or nationality is ludicrous.
Now, just as with Nazism, there are some born into and indoctrinated by Islam who are indeed intelligent and brave enough to leave the vicious creeds that they were born into–but pretending this is the norm, or, even more absurdly, that creed does not matter is ridiculous.
gravenimage says
Good points, Jaws.
Aloha Akbar says
Yes lebel, you would have said just that if it was 1939.
Todays climate is identical, except the Nazis have been replaced with something more evil.
And you know it so why don’t you admit it?
Champ says
Liar wrote:
“Its awful, its disgusting, its revolting, but you can’t see that because of your hatred for all Muslim men, women and children.”
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Lies, like this, need to be exposed. It’s a known FACT that *all* islamic terrorists are muslims, so “hatred” has NOTHING to do with the unvarnished TRUTH.
Your lies are duly noted.
LeftisruiningCanada says
What if they were wearing nazi uniforms?
lebel says
well according to gravenimage (and just about everyone else) Muslims are all the equivalent of Nazis so yeah, their babies are future nazies following that logic.
Wonder how genocides get started? look to jihadwatch.
Mr. Spencer must be proud.
lebel says
by the way leftisruiningCanada, you don’t belong here. This place is a cesspool of hate. If you want to criticize and debate about Islam, this isn’t the place.
This place is stormfront against Muslims, there is absolutely no difference. It’s too bad you can’t see it just yet.
JawsV says
Oh lebel, your 2 above posts are idiotic. First, Islam is as Jew-hating as Nazism. That’s a fact. The Koran is a Jew/Christian-hating war manual. Second, to say that JW would start a genocide is absurd. Third, yes RS is proud of us as we’re educated and intelligent people not fooled by the propaganda about Islam.
Fourth, it’s Islam that’s the cesspool of hate. Fifth, Islam is a stormfront against Jews and Christians and all non-Muslims. I have no pity or sympathy for Muslims. Islam and its demented followers wreck the world.
Clear now? Good.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Islam is certainly no better than Fascism, lebel, you must see that?
How much reading have you done in the koran, hadith collections and sharia manuals? Have you spent much time reading sunna, to see who and what this mohammad guy was?
The point about the nazi uniforms is obviously that we would expect parents displaying signs of nazi beliefs to raise their kids in accord with those beliefs. It’s not 100% that the kid will end up like them, but it’s far from impossible.
Genocides often start by ignoring the warning signs given by the group that ends up doing the killing. Islam is that warning. It’s followers are quite happy to tell us what they are going to do, and are carrying it out just like they said.
The question is why are you so eager to ignore the threat islam poses?
I’ve not found JW to be a hateful place. If it a ‘stormfront’ against anything, it’s islam, not muslims in general.
The real stormfronts though, are the mosques and ‘community centers’ that teach take over and mayhem, death and destruction.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes. Probability and statistics.
‘Cradle Muslim’ females reared in Muslim families within the West have gone off to become jihadi camp-followers in Iraq and Syria.
Others have colluded with their males in plots to kill Infidels. There was that mohammedan female just now in the UK – working in a pharmacy – who was helping a would-be bomber get ingredients to make TATP.
Muslim females have made themselves into human bombs in Nigeria, Somalia, Israel and Russia.
We don’t know that she *will* grow up to engage in murderous jihad; but it is perfectly *possible*.
lebel says
“One social media user commented: ‘The next terrorist is born.’”
Calling a baby a terrorist – absolutely fine for jwatchers. Where’s the condemnation? none
You must be proud Mr. Spencer. Christine you should be ashamed to associate yourself with this lot.
gravenimage says
If only lebel had the same opprobrium for Jihad terror itself. But then, he has never said anything critical of *that* at all.
JawsV says
Not the baby you dimwit. A future terrorist, a future Islamic Jihadist. Understand now??? The kid will be poisoned by toxic Islam that’s a fact.
Also, “this lot” happens to be a gathering of highly intelligent and educated people who are knowledgeable about murderous Islam and its Jihad doctrine. So, yes, I assume both Spencer and Christine are proud. It’s those who associate with sanguinary Islam and believe the lies of Muhammed who should be ashamed. Islam should be condemned worldwide.
lebel says
Of course its the baby, the asshole who wrote the comment could not be more explicit, You are defending him/her because of your shared hate.
Imagine if the roles were reversed, this place would be up in arms.
JawsV says
No, it’s not the baby. It’s that due to the Jihad doctrine in Islam it’s perfectly plausible that Jihad is in his/her future. And, stop throwing the word “hate” around. Islam is the hate.
Champ says
Where is the outcry from “lebel” when islamic terrorists commit their evil crimes? …*crickets*
I cannot recall one *single* comment from “lebel” protesting these heinous acts. The silence from this poster is absolutely deafening.
“lebel” has more than earned irrelevance on this forum.
lebel says
I have done it plenty of time but this usually makes jwatchers even more hateful.
They want and need their Muslims to behave a certain way for their world to make sense.
StellaSaidSo says
Are you serious? Why would the victims of Islamic terror want more Islamic terror?
What we all ‘want and need’ is for Muslims to behave as civilised human beings. Something for which we have been waiting for 1400 years.
Why do you persist in defending this vile ideology?
JawsV says
“Why do you persist in defending this vile ideology?”
I assume lebel’s a Mohammedan, Stella.
Champ says
Liar wrote:
“I have done it plenty of time but this usually makes jwatchers even more hateful”
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This is in response to my above observation that “lebel” never speaks out against islamic terrorists; and even *if* this is true, there is NO WAY that “lebel” would EVER be met with “even more hateful” comments from others on Jihad Watch–so forget about this “usually” happening! This claim is profoundly uncharacteristic of anyone against islamic jihad on this forum. C’mon give us a break.
And then there’s this inane contribution …
“They want and need their Muslims to behave a certain way for their world to make sense.”
So of course “lebel” is LYING, again, and according to him/her, the tail is wagging the dog. This comment would be funny if it weren’t such a backwards, bold-faced LIE. And probably one of the worst attempts at taqiyya I’ve encountered.
Aw, but lying is allah approved, so there you have it …
LeftisruiningCanada says
Nobody called the baby a terrorist lebel.
That they may grow up to be one is of course anyones guess.
That Germans are thinking of this when they see an obviously foreign couple with their new daughter, instead of being pleased, is enough to tell us quite a lot, especially when seen against the backdrop of so many crimes and attacks committed by people who look and believe like they do.
Is it ‘nice’? Not really.
But nothing about the whole situation is ‘nice’, is it.
lebel says
Did you read the article? what do mean no one called the baby a terrorist?
One social media user commented: ‘The next terrorist is born.’
How much clearer do you need it to be?
What if a Muslim upon seeing a female Christian baby said “the next slut is born”?
StellaSaidSo says
lebel, you know very well that every child born to an observant Muslim family is a potential terrorist. Terrorism is the raison d’etre of Islam, the foundation of Mohammerde’s success. Of course a Muslim child will be taught the hatred which is used to justify terror.
Your slur on Christian women is contemptible and revealing.
JawsV says
To infer that Christian females are “sluts” is moronic, idiotic, brainless and absurd. It’s also not an analogy with Islamic Terrorism. You are truly grasping at straws, lebel. But, you’re a Mohammedan so I don’t expect you to have a whole lot going on in the thinking department. You’re just a Slave to Allah, which is Muhammed.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Interesting comments lebel.
“Did you read the article? what do mean no one called the baby a terrorist?
One social media user commented: ‘The next terrorist is born.’
How much clearer do you need it to be?”
It’s pretty clear – the baby is the *next* terrorist. Not a terrorist right now.
“What if a Muslim upon seeing a female Christian baby said “the next slut is born”?”
If you could show me in the New Testament, or any popular Christian literature (or any recorded church sermons), where a Christian woman is required to be a slut, then your point might have something to it.
The life of mohmmad however, which im sure you know is the guide for all muslims, is FULL of examples and commands that a good muslim should become what, to us unbelievers, is a terrorist.
6woods says
Lebel, muslims routinely call non-muslim females sluts and whores, so screw off with your fake outrage.
Aarne Bittner says
The problem is, that we do not only have this one in Austria, but we had MANNY of this kind of “first born” news in Germany. It simply reminds you that the birth-jihad is in overdrive. Im so feed up with this! ??
JawsV says
I bet you are. I assume you detest Angela Burqa?
John Magee says
Over half the babies born in supposedly Catholic Vienna today are Muslims. 150 miles to the east 95% of the babies in Catholic and Protestant Budapest are born to Christian parents. 4% are born to Jewish parents. You do the demographic math and guess what life will be like in Vienna and Budapest in 2050.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Exactly. That is why this story is relevant.
It could well have been an article about the most popular name in some European country being ‘mohammad’ or one of the 50 variations on it.
The point, like you say, is that it’s poignant that the first baby official born in 2018, in Austria, is not born of Austrians, nor likely to grow up furthering Austrian values, if the dress of the woman is anything to go by.
We don’t know these parents enough to be sure but, even if they are full on western value loving assimilated immigrants, the idea holds true that islam and it’s imams have set their sights on the West and are busy working at all levels to make it theirs. Out populating the natives is just one.
JawsV says
“Out populating the natives is just one.”
Demographic Jihad. Which Algerian president Boumedienne told the world about back in 1974.
“The wombs of our women will give us victory.” — Houari Mohamed Boumedienne
gravenimage says
Yep.
Champ says
“It is also not racist to oppose political Islam, Islamic supremacism and jihad; this should be a given for all who enjoy Western freedoms.” — Christine Douglass-Williams
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Indeed, this is common sense!
And what has happened to common sense? Has it become old-fashioned and passe?
Common sense needs to be revived in a world clouded by so much pc/mc NONSENSE.
Aloha Akbar says
Yesterdays news.
I’m waiting for tomorrows headline: “First baby in the New Year to undergo FGM.”
Front page pic of Doc & nurse smiling ear to ear holding bloodied rusty razor.
Dad & Mrs Letterbox happily standing patiently in background (waiting for Government cheque to pay for procedure)
45 yo groom standing to the side with erection.
Dirty dishevelled Imam putting up hand to block camera saying “Nutting to see here, move along”
CAIR representative behind curtain waiting to sue Gubbermint for not proving clean razor blades.
Aaaaah, the serenity.
6woods says
Lol. Thanks, Aloha Akbar. I needed a laugh. There is often so much truth in gallows humour.
Lydia Church says
“Critical thinking” is the new orwellian “hate think”…. of course!
And don’t think even that realm is something they consider sacred off limits to them…
they want your:
Mind, heart, beliefs, attitude, behavior, soul, body, everything!
Don’t give them a pinky finger, because it is yours, not theirs.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Seeing this through the lens of history helps to clarify: the “angry mob” will always have its way in the end. Ancient Roman politicians knew this well: never get the army or the “great unwashed” cross at you.
These angry outbursts are a warning sign to the politicians involved that things are going to get ugly if changes don’t take place. This came about, I believe, because the Austrian electorate feel unrepresented. You may consider the social media outbursts either ugly or appropriate – that’s your choice. But the “angry mob” is real and a powerful political force.
President Van der Bellen is an unschooled fool to wag his finger at it like it were a misbehaving schoolboy. He should take note that the electorate is fed up with the hijrah and want something effective done about it – now. The call to suppress these comments is even more foolish. Suppress the angry mob and it will go underground and its fury will grow even greater. Soon you’ll have chaos on your hands: lynchings, political assassinations, pogroms and even revolution!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Excellent summary.
Instead of listening and reflecting, they will probably just use it as an excuse to turn the screws a little tighter on internet usage.
Which in a way isn’t all bad. It will continue to expose them for the tyrants they are.
StellaSaidSo says
Spot on, Flavius.
These days I can’t look at a photo of Angela Merkel or Theresa May without thinking of Clara Petacci.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Now here’s a politician whose listening:
https://www.rt.com/news/415384-france-pork-menu-schools/
Infidel says
WELCOME TO THE DARK FUTURE OF EU… when the first newborn is a Muslim.. it is certainly the mirror of the demography that will cause enormous pain and anguish on the natives….
LR says
I wish them all the best. Very attractive family. May they be a happy, healthy family so little Asel can truly live her dreams for her life…
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agreed…..and may those dreams have nothing whatsoever to do with islam.
StellaSaidSo says
What, exactly, is ‘attractive’ about a family which subscribes to the ugly ideology of Islam?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Maybe LR likes pink headbags and religious beards?
JawsV says
LR is a Moslem or leftist Islam apologist.
dumbledoresarmy says
This smiling couple with their cute baby girl – poor child, no human being gets to *choose* their parents! – are … human-shielding the Hijra, the immigration-invasion.
And .. what if little Asel, when she gets older, becomes curious about what is inside the many beautiful churches that fill the Austrian landscape? What if she hears the beautiful sound of church bells ringing, or overhears Mozart’s glorious music, and surreptitiously starts to investigate… Christianity? Suppose that, like ‘Hannah Shah’ in the UK (ex-Muslim; author of a book called “The Imam’s Daughter”) she… becomes a Christian? What then? Will the smugly-grinning parents, the behijabbed mama, in that photo of her birth, turn into snarling demon-possessed monsters and… try to KILL her?
Or what if they arrange a marriage for her, with a cousin, and she refuses, and runs away? Will they send the assassin after her, or the cousin, or, will they, themselves, *kill* her, in an ‘honor’ – or rather, ‘horror’ – killing?
What if little Asel, at age 20, falls in love with a young Austrian non-Muslim man – whether a Catholic or an atheist – and decides that she wants to marry him.. and that she *doesn’t* want to make him convert to Islam, he can keep his own beliefs? Again, what will those smugly-smiling parents *do*?
They should be asked that, NOW, by some intelligent reporter.
Plainly and clearly, they should be put on the spot, and asked two questions, one about apostasy, and one about ‘marrying out’.\
1/ What will you do if your daughter, when she is of age – 18 or over – declares that she doesn’t want to wear hijab and that she has left Islam and become either a Christian or an atheist?
2/ What wil you do if your daughter, after she has grown up, tells you that she is going to marry a non-Muslim man who *remains a non-Musilm and does NOT convert to Islam*??
it would be interesting to ask them those two questions, because both involve courses of action that are forbidden by the sharia of Islam.
A Muslim cannot leave Islam, on pain of death.
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A Muslim female is NOT ALLOWED to ‘marry out’; and in the dar al Islam, and also outside of it, involvement of Musilm females with non-Muslim males is often followed by the family’s or some other Muslim’s murdering of one or both parties.
If they were asked those questions, by someone well informed about classical Islam and its rules about apostasy and about marriage, and could cite the relevant texts, it would be *fascinating* to record their facial expressions (perhaps play back in slow-mo., to check the ‘micro-expressions’) as they listened to the questions and then as they proceeded to avoid giving a straight answer. Because I bet they wouldn’t quite dare to state, truthfully, that “if she did either of those things we would *kill* her”.
gravenimage says
Very important questions, DDA. If only journalists would ask them.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Would be nice if such questions were on immigration forms and interviews when coming to Canada and the US.
Too bad our softheaded immigration people would rather take the chance that a few years of Canadian Socialism and handouts will bring about the miraculous change from barbarian to civilized man.
What a gamble.
Anas says
How do u feel when ur daughter or son decided to marry a muslim
How do u feel when ur daughter decided to convert to muslim after studying islam not by seeing what media show us like u
There r 2 ways to understand Islam. 1 is good and another bad
Good way is to understand by seeing the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) understand Quran and Hadith
And another way is to understand by western media which is owned by political parties especially from US which is responsible for all terrorism we see today and indirectly the real culprit of all the loses of innocent lives
Hope you understand
JawsV says
Oh go away with your propaganda because we’re too educated and knowledgeable about Islam to buy it. You’re out of your league, Anas the Mohammedan. Why don’t you go and invent something instead of forcing your rotten “religion” upon us?
Islam is responsible for all the Islamic Terrorism worldwide. Hope you understand.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…the US which is responsible for all terrorism…’
You mean the 1400 years of terrorism perpetrated by Islam, and the slaughter of 270 million people at the hands of Muslims, most of which occurred centuries before the US even existed?
By the way, people on this forum are very familiar with the life of the so-called ‘prophet’ Mohammerde, and we see nothing admirable about it. Murderers, rapists, paedophiles and thieves deserve contempt, not reverence. Your ‘prophet’ was a criminal lunatic, and your ‘religion’ is toxic.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“There r 2 ways to understand Islam”
But the two ways you mentioned to understand islam are not very different when we get down to it.
If you follow the example of mohammad, especially with regard to all he had to say about jihad and the unbelievers in the later suras, the result is what we see in the news.
However, there is another way to understand muslims. The nice friendly and good natured people who call themselves muslim, are not actually muslims after mohammads heart at all. They have ignored all the stuff that marked islam as truly mohammadan, while holding on to the teachings that were simple repetitions of good moral ideas from the Bible.
In a sense, they have created a false islam. This is a good thing. I believe it reflects the fact that humans are created in the image of the true God, and retain a deep down, suppressed and often ignored, understanding of what ‘good’ means. It takes some effort to end up as evil as mohammad, which is why only the most serious and committed muslims end up as terrorists on the TV.
Christian Reactionary says
Two-way street is applicable only to very small numbers. What we are seeing today is war, see Vox Day’s take on the matter, based on van Creveld’s essay War and Migration.
The question is not: how do we integrate, or even assimilate them (both resulting in the genocide of the native population, see[1][2]), but the question is: how do we get rid of them without shedding too much blood?
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5GveTsDbA
[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acxR5bAbeP8
lebel says
What is amazing is that everyone is trying to downplay the disgusting comments about the baby. To all lurkers, this is what hate does to the mind. it becomes irrational and unable to see through its own fallacies.
Comment: “the next terrorist is born”
Jwatchers: “yes the next potential terrorist is born since some Muslims are terrorist”
Lebel: No he said the next terrorist is born, not the next potential terrorist is born (not that that’s better since we are talking about an innocent baby).
jwatchers: “no he didn’t!”
JawsV says
Oh just can it Mohammedan lebel. Due to the Jihad directive in Islam any Muslim baby has a plausible chance of becoming an adult Jihadist. Islam is the hate. Islam is disgusting. So are you.
lebel says
What plausible chance? if I say that your baby is a future asshole (which is after all highly likely given that you would be the parent) do I mean that he has a plausible chance only?
I get that you hate Muslims but that should not stop you from being honest in debate.
JawsV says
Actually Mohammedan lebel it’s YOUR baby that’s the future a-**** since you’re the spawn of satan! ALL Muslim kids are potential Jihadists due to the Jihad doctrine in Islam. Yes, I detest evil Islam and it’s evil, rotten, followers — potential Jihadists ALL. I am honest. YOU are the dishonest a-****! Islam, a curse and plague on the planet for 1400 years. Islam should be abolished for the benefit of humanity, esp for non-Muslims. To heck with Islam!
StellaSaidSo says
Few Muslims are capable of honesty in debate, as this forum amply demonstrates.
Champ says
JawsV wrote:
“Actually Mohammedan lebel it’s YOUR baby that’s the future a-**** since you’re the spawn of satan! ALL Muslim kids are potential Jihadists due to the Jihad doctrine in Islam. Yes, I detest evil Islam and it’s evil, rotten, followers — potential Jihadists ALL. I am honest. YOU are the dishonest a-****! Islam, a curse and plague on the planet for 1400 years. Islam should be abolished for the benefit of humanity, esp for non-Muslims. To heck with Islam!”
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Bravo, JawsV!! I *wholly* agree!! Your comment bears repeating!
JawsV says
Why thank you, Champ!
Champ says
🙂
LeftisruiningCanada says
Your whole thing was that you thought people were calling the baby a terrorist, which they weren’t.
Being able to understand a bit of where the poster of that comment (the next terrorist is born) is coming from leads me to extend a little bit of sympathy in how i read it. Just because he didn’t write a short essay explaining the nuances of his position doesn’t mean i’m going to take the worst possible view of what he said.
Far from hate making us all irrational and blind here lebel, i’m starting to think that whatever your position is has done a bit of that to you instead.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You’ve also said several time that “Mr Spencer must be proud’, or something similar, as if you would have us believe that he supports the comments made on the facebook page.
I will then ask you in return, did you read the article?
If you would know Mr Spencer’s view on it, he stated it like this:
Now for the case of the Muslim parents who gave birth to Austria’s first newborn of 2018. Congratulations, and may this new child be a blessing to the nation of Austria, fostering integration, harmony, human rights and the like. To attack this couple and levy abusive language against them because of their coreligionists’ misdeeds is atrocious, and undermines the real efforts to battle the sinister forces of political Islam and its Islamic supremacist bullying of Western society.
lebel says
“To attack this couple and levy abusive language against them because of their coreligionists’ misdeeds is atrocious.”
Do you realize that literally no one on this thread (apart from me) would agree with this statement? Do you see the reactions of other jwatchers?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Separate issue, but i think we’ve dealt with the idea of Mr Spencer being “proud” about what others might have said.
Sarah says
I wonder how Muslim women give birth? Because for us Western women, its a messy affair, if you have a gown on, its hiked up around your waist and everything is on show, a lot of women end up completely naked for the job ahead – there’s utterly nothing wrong with it, but I cannot imagine Muslims of either gender suddenly being happy to let women abandon their modesty, even for birth.
I’m picturing a horribly uncomfortable affair, with a sweating female, straining through labour, all constricted by a ridiculous amount of fabric. I hope I’m wrong. Surely the stupid pillowcase comes off their head? When you’re in that much pain – all body and all-consuming pain, the last thing you want is to be confined by wrapped fabric on your body and limbs.
I know a lot of them request female only Doctors – which we should be denying unless its an exceptional circumstance. (For instance, I have no issues with a woman who is a survivor of gang rape, to want a female doctor when she is at her most vulnerable, during labour) – so does that mean they can get down and naked and rip the excessive fabric off, given there aren’t any males hovering around?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Hopefully her natural instincts are allowed to overrule mohammadan imperatives.
Can’t imagine a woman having to worry about such things under those circumstances.
During birth may be the only time a muslim woman feels truly free enough to tell her husband (if present) to **** off 😀
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: “To attack this couple and levy abusive language against them because of their coreligionists’ misdeeds is atrocious, and undermines the real efforts to battle the sinister forces of political Islam and its Islamic supremacist bullying of Western society.”
ER … what part of islam is NOT “political!”?
Saying “political” (or “radical” or “extremist”) “islam is bad!” only implies there are some other kinds of islam … when anyone who has ever risked opening a Qur’an to find out for them self, knows there is not.
JawsV says
Douglass-Williams is a bit too PC for me. We have every right to be outraged that the first kid born in Austria in the new year is a Mohammedan. Europe has completely destroyed itself and things will only get worse as the demographic jihad continues a la Boumedienne’s prediction and warning back in 1974:
“The wombs of our women will give us victory.” — Houari Mohamed Boumedienne, Algeria’s president
The Islamization of Europe is a spreading plague. To think that Islam will change and bring glad tidings to the West is utter delusion. It’s like the agrarian South thinking it could win against the industrial North. Sheer delusion. It’s Islam that’s atrocious and should be abolished for the benefit of humanity, particularly for non-Muslims, Islam’s target. And yes Vladdi there’s only ONE Islam. Saying “radical Islam,” as President Trump does, is redundant. Islam is inherently radical.