“The son of Albanian immigrants, he reportedly became radicalized in prison after being sentenced at 16 for robbery. Once released, he was reportedly further radicalized after attending several mosques.”
Have those mosques been shut down? Why not? Have German authorities pondered the question of why mosques, which are supposed to be teaching Qur’anic Islam that they assume is benign and peaceful, would be teaching the kind of Islam that leads young men to become “radicalized”? How is it that mosques collectively succumbed to what is supposed to be a twisting and hijacking of the true teachings of the Religion of Peace? Or if Islam teaches warfare against unbelievers, is it really a good idea to have mosques proliferating and operating unsupervised?
“Austrian teen charged for plotting terror attack with 12-year-old in Germany,” by Chase Winter, DW, January 7, 2018 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):
The Austrian teen was reportedly radicalized in prison before plotting with a 12-year-old German-Iraqi to bomb a Christmas market in Ludwigshafen. The case highlights the challenges posed by radicalized youth.
An Austrian teenager has been charged on several terror-related counts, including inciting and instructing a 12-year-old German-Iraqi boy to carry out an attack on a Christmas market, Austrian press agency APA reported Sunday.
The Vienna prosecution authority accuses the now 18-year-old Austrian boy Lorenz K. of instigating violence, attempted use of an explosive device and membership in a terrorist organization.
The 18-year-old has been in police detention since he was arrested in Vienna in January last year.
The son of Albanian immigrants, he reportedly became radicalized in prison after being sentenced at 16 for robbery. Once released, he was reportedly further radicalized after attending several mosques.
According to the 55-page indictment, Lorenz K. allegedly gave an oath of allegiance to the “Islamic State” (IS).
He then urged and instructed a 12-year German-Iraqi boy through WhatsApp on how to carry out a terror attack, according to the charges.
The nail-bomb device allegedly made by the 12-year-old failed to detonate at a Christmas market in the western German city of Ludwigshafen in 2016….
Bev says
Kill, kill and kill some more. Welcome to the religion of peace. I guess when everyone on the planet except the last Muslim is dead there will be peace, until that time I plan on making it damn difficult for them.
gravenimage says
Jay Boo, I got the impression that Bev was talking about Muslims killing others.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the reply, Jay Boo.
James says
I would make an example of them both, and execute the pair of them. Jihadi crimes should, all of them, always, in all circumstances, get the death penalty. Regardless of age, sex, background, previous character, previous experiences, occupation, or any other differentia.
Jihadism – including all forms of aiding and abetting it, and including also conspiracy to commit it, and encouragement, by whatever means, to commit jihad – should be punished without pity.
As for defining the crime: purely spiritual or ethical “striving” would not be illegal. All actions against others that are referred to as jihad, would count, from bombing or stabbing, to vehicular jihad. Jihadism needs to be made a crime – a capital crime – in its own right.
Unless and until Western countries show themselves to be unyielding and inflexible in their determination to punish all jihadi attacks as severely they deserve, matters are not going to improve. Jihadis must have it made absolutely clear to them that if they are arrested and convicted, they are absolutely certain to be executed.
Save Europe says
I think both their family members should be investigated thoroughly, additionally.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Solitary confinement for all imprisoned muslims, though more expensive, might be a way to limit the use of prisons as recruiting centers for mohammads death cult.
Salome says
The message for this is that 16 year-old boys (especially boys called ‘Lorenz’) should just be allowed to go about robbing people because putting them in gaol radicalises them.
Darryl Kerney says
definitions matter,
in the case of “radicalization” what does it mean ?
radical means of the fundamental nature of something, from the root,
so to be radicalized in the case of islam,
means to become true to the essence of islam,
which has the jihad doctrine of warfare against the unbelievers to spread islam as a fundamental principle.
radical : “relating to the most important parts of something or someone; complete or extreme.”
as we keep seeing, “radicalized” muslims ALWAYS turn to jihad terrorism.
radical : “a person who supports great social and political change,”
with of course that change in the case of islam being the DOMINANCE of islam over all other systems.
conclusion :
radicalized muslims are in fact the most faithful to the actual tenets of islam.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/radical
Michael Copeland says
The UK Government’s definition of “radicalisation”“;
“process by which a person comes to support terrorism and forms of extremism leading to terrorism.”
This process is carried out in mosques.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2018/01/instructing-radicalisation/
Darryl Kerney says
In simple terms,
When one embraces and faithfully follows Islam’s jihad doctrine, one has become radicalized.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Whenever anyone says the word ‘radical’ or ‘radicalized’ with regards to islam, i just hear “decided to take mohammad more seriously as a role model”.
Hasn’t let me down so far.
Darryl Kerney says
Yup.
Focusing on the most important part, jihad.
Save Europe says
Correct Sir! As I always say – ISIS and their ilk are actually Orthodox Muslims – following the Koran to the very letter.
nicu says
So they probably blame that he was in jail :/ I had a friend for over 10 years , a Muslim – since he visits the Mosque he changed and we are no friends anymore .
Mosques preach hatred and intolerance they all should be closed !
Their kids are not innocent , too !
CRUSADER says
Just glad to have the NFL wildcard playoff games to distract from this!
N Fidel League
+++++++++++
Go Saints !
Go Patriots !
++++++++++
DEUS VULT
CRUSADER says
Hmmmm….
Don’t think they need to be from the City they play in as Home Teams….
But the point is that the Saints are a reminder of the symbolism of Christianity.
And the Patriots at least sport an American flag and a tricorner chapeau’ed militia man….
At least they aren’t banning these symbols just yet.
Go N-Fidel-League!!!
gravenimage says
True.
gravenimage says
Germany: Muslim 18-year-old and 12-year-old plotted jihad bombing at Christmas market
……………………………
A *12-year-old boy*. In a sane world, he would be looking forward to going to the Christmas market, not blowing it up.
God, I hate Islam.
Save Europe says
Some ‘fool’ at the pub I frequent, in South London, only yesterday, prattled on about ‘how every Muslim Uber driver he encountered, regaled him with ‘how they all celebrated Christmas.’ He failed to realise the taqqiya / tawriyah / kitman etc rules. People genuinely believe the lies which are espoused. Unsurprisingly, the fool in question loves Jeremy Corbyn.
gravenimage says
No surprise, Save Europe.
And Corbyn would be even worse than May.
LeftisruiningCanada says
When there’s enough muslims around, it’s like being in the Matrix with all those Agent Smith clones.
CRUSADER says
Germans and Austrians are so afraid of their shadows and any whispers of the cruelty of their Nazi past
that they can’t recognize FASCISM when they fact it in any-one-else !!!
Myopia
pervades their
Distopia
Isn’t there something to take for that?
Like preparationH or perhaps pepto-bismol …..would that work on this affliction.
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Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
As Merkel desperately tries to hold on to power:
https://www.rt.com/news/415235-germany-grand-coalition-talks-poll/
Cameron says
Why not have all inmates in prisons in permanent solitary confinement but with literature to study civilized ethics and modern culture and values (printed on cheap recyclable paper rather than anything valuable that can be destroyed), and are rewarded with increasing levels of social contact when they pass written or spoken tests to establish that they are in fact learning and intergrating and can display their ability to reform and become a member of society worth having outside of the prison system? maybe allow them the freedom to socialize with other inmates only when they can display full competence and ethical values and can reinforce those values and ethics with other inmates before there is any possibility of being released probationally back into society…???
StellaSaidSo says
There are some unique challenges associated with ‘reforming’ Muslim prison inmates. With an average IQ about 20 points below the Western average, few subjects have the intellectual capacity to process new ideas, particularly ideas which conflict with years of Koranic indoctrination. Many are illiterate, even in their own languages. Islam does not permit respect for any rules other than those of ‘Allah’, and no authority outside Islam is accorded legitimacy. Islam condones many practices which in civilised societies are considered crimes (eg wife-beating, FGM, paedophilia), Then there is the exemption from personal responsibility which characterises the upbringing of many Muslim males, and which leaves them in a state of perpetual infancy, always looking for someone else to blame for their misfortunes. Given these obstacles, programs aimed at reforming Muslim prison inmates, unsurprisingly, have not been a resounding success. Ultimately, the only solution is to eradicate the toxic ideology of Islam from our society.
gravenimage says
We may or may not be able to “reform”–or “deprogram”–Muslims, I agree.
But there is no doubt that the foolish policies of giving them Qur’ans, prayer mats, Halal food, access to Imams and the like needs to stop yesterday.
StellaSaidSo says
ABSOLUTELY.
And ham sandwiches on the menu every day.
Save Europe says
I would really, just, prefer to deport – when, and wherever possible.
gravenimage says
Absolutely agree, Save Europe.
Wayne says
Imagine 18 and 12 year old Germans looking forward to Christmas day. The same joy the jihad’s were feeling. That’s because our destruction is mandated under Sharia law. They would be heroes to all Muslims and welcomed into paradise.
This is the psychology of the reality. Expect much more of this
gravenimage says
Yes–compare and contrast.
Kasey says
It’s a good idea to ban the construction of any more mosques and also bulldoze any that are built . They are simply haves for the indoctrination of jihadism. That’s a reality no nation can ignore.