The Qur’an allows Muslim men to take up to four wives, as well as sex slaves “the captives of the right hand”: “Marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then one or those your right hand possesses.” (4:3)
That’s the command, but it cannot overrule human nature. Jealousy among wives in polygamous arrangements is common. The Qur’an treats women as commodities; some women are not willing to put up with that. And so this kind of crime is going to be committed, and it demonstrates the inhumanity of the Qur’anic provision.
“Man’s 4th wife sets 3rd wife ablaze, arrested,” TNN, January 8, 2018:
BHOPAL: For refusing to divorce her husband, a woman in Nishatpura was set ablaze by the fourth wife of her spouse. The accused wanted the victim to divorce her husband so that she could live with him.
Nishatpura police have registered a case under sections of attempt to murder. Police have identified the accused as Ayesha and her mother Wasima, while the victim has been identified as Shabnam. Police said that Shabnam and Ayesha are the third and fourth wives respectively of Saleem, a security guard in a housing society.
The incident took place on January 4. Ayesha wanted Shabnam to divorce Saleem; but when she refused, Ayesha and her mother poured kerosene on Shabnam and set her ablaze….
concerned canadian says
nice……..MSM is silent of course.
Its best to lie to the populace and make believe Islam is peaceful.
Because at the end of the days its all our fault because we are bad bad bad !
Except Hollywood & Brian Stelter
elee says
Maybe this will discourage hijabs and burqas and all….
Linde Barrera says
The more I read about Islam and its active unholy participants from Jihad Watch, the more grateful I am to get the truth and the more revolted I feel about this so-called “religion”, which in my opinion are the doctrines of Satan the devil. ?
Alice says
I agree.
Savvy Kafir says
If Satan actually existed, he would be hard-pressed to concoct a more vile, toxic ideology than Islam.
This religion really is the closest thing to pure evil that mankind has ever produced. A look at the societies shaped by Islam, from Afghanistan to Somalia to Saudi Arabia, prove that point beyond any reasonable doubt.
mike9a says
If satan does not exist how we can say this or that is evil? Measuring/comparing against what? Meter is how long? There must be an etalon/objective standard etc…to anything to be established, at least in our 3D limited view of the world. It could be that isn’t a thing that exists, it could be that the absence of a thing that exists. Darkness or absence of light?
Darryl Kerney says
well, read Ayn Rand, she offers a very consistent rational logical view that accounts for human nature in a positive way rather than negative, celebrating what we can be, and pointing out what we shouldn’t be, in a non religious way, that is actually based on what is best for all people, not a select few……
Pam Geller is a promoter of Objectivism, and part of the anti-jihad also.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Darryl.
Leon Degney says
Measured against common decency what else? How can it be measured against mythical beings purported character?
Richard says
You make a very good point. It’s not like these people are idiots or stupid. Islam has produced great literature, poetry, science, etc. There is no possible excuse for such inhuman savagery. Of course, it sure beat paying alimony.
gravenimage says
Actually, Islam has created very little of beauty.
Most “Islamic” poetry was created by virtual apostates like Rumi.
Darryl Kerney says
ah, bear in mind that many of the works attributed to muslims in the “golden age” were actually the works of converts (by the sword of course), and a great deal was the appropriation of the works of the conquered people. very little comes from islam, because nothing is supposed to, going beyond the quran is unthinkable. the generally accepted dogma has been to exclude anything outside the basic definitions of islam because the quran condemns innovation as mischief in the land, if it any way goes against allah’s instructions.
so whatever the quran says is in fact the final word in all matters.
adjusting for abrogation, that means, jihad warfare against the unbelievers is the ultimate action for a muslim, who will attain the highest level of paradise immediately instead of having to wait, dead or alive, until the final day, and enjoy the specially created sex slaves allah so generously provides, such a good god, creating slaves for his favorites……
faraway says
The much admired poet,Abu Nuwas was a notorious drunkard and seducer of women and young males.It’s very doubtful that he was a true believer of Allah and Mohammed.
gravenimage says
Also true, Darryl.
LeftisruiningCanada says
So it was the drinking then….
Carol says
Omar Khayyam’s parents were coerced into mohammedanism. Some verses in his admired Rubhayyat seem to not so subtly hint at Zoroastric subversion:
“And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
― Omar Khayyám, Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam
John Stefan Obeda says
I read some years ago that there was a journalist who did not believe in the existence of the devil, but when at Auschwitz he saw what was done to 6 millions Jews and other peoples, he then changed his mind, that there has to be a devil for man on his own cannot do such evil. The devil does exist and man can, indeed, do such evil. It is the same with the evil that devoted Muslims do believing the doctrines of the Qur’an to be the word of god. For instance, to kill people because they refuse to believe what you believe comes from the devil who does, indeed, exist. The true God, Jahweh, the heavenly Father of Jesus, gives the correct commandment and many other truths. : “You shall not murder.”
LeftisruiningCanada says
It may be that islam, and muslims as a consequence, have placed the murder of unbelievers into the ‘kill’ category instead. They have many and diverse ways of self justification, even more perhaps than your average sinner.
Alice says
Lovely religion…
Prabh108 says
Dr. Koenraad Elst is a friend of Dharm(a). He is a great scholar and a true intellectual warrior. He is a genuine freedom fighter. He reveals India is in strangle-hold grip of Stalinist-Islamists.
Help us AkalPurakh!
Aum Kleem Aum
CRUSADER says
Elst is considered a member of the school of thought championed by Ram Swarup and Sita Ram Goel, the founders of the Voice of India (VOI) publishing house and writers who were highly critical of both Christianity and Islam. He adopts their hard-line stance against the two religions in his book, Decolonizing the Hindu Mind….
CRUSADER says
Story of Islamic Imperialism in India – Koernaad Elst – India Inspires Talks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGd30ZVBxwk
gravenimage says
Of course, lumping Christianity and Islam together is absurd.
Prabh108 says
History of South India proves deadliness of xtianity.
Man is Divine. Woman is Shakti. Child is purest ROOP of Paramatman (Emersonian Oversoul aka the magnanimous, blissful and tranquil God.)
Today major problem is jihadist and the degenerate left.
Semitich religions origin is TalMud. (hate literature)
100 Million jihadists on the loose!!! Be careful everyone. Moslems impersonating Sikhs and other Dharmics will be punished in due course of time (Dharm(a)/Karm(a) at the Cosmic Courthouse. Cosmic Courthouse is not exactly like Judge Joody.
Hinduism protects the race. Semitich creeds destroy the race.
CRUSADER says
Well, the doc has a short video on how Islam ruined India, and despite the somewhat less than droll way of presenting the matter, he does have interesting things to impart…
Particularly about the period of the 1100s, and the time of the Moguls…..
gravenimage says
Prabh108 wrote:
History of South India proves deadliness of xtianity.
…………………………
What is this supposed to mean? Christianity does not teach violence.
Prabh108 has made bizarre claims before, like Christians practicing Sati (Hindu widow burning), and that being why there are not more redheads in Europe. (No, it makes no sense).
Veetahavya says
Gravenimage Prabh128 is right. There were deadly acts by Xtianity during the Portuguese
invasion, for example the Goa inquisition http://indiafacts.org/the-portuguese-inquisition-in-goa-a-brief-history/. In fact this is one of the worst in entire catholic history. There were temple demolitions very much like the Jihadists. But this aspect is underplayed in history. Not to talk about the betrayal of Hindus by Syrian Christians and colluding with Vasc da gama, himself being another man slaughterer https://apostlethomasindia.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/india-and-the-syrian-christians-of-kerala-pradeep-nair/.
I understand it is very difficult for a Modern Christian in the west to understand this because Xtianity has moved away from the violence which was very much part of it too in medieval times. There were the Jesuits who did not shy away from violence. There were the conquistadors who wiped out many civilizations, not to talk about sectarian quarrels and massacres like the one by Oliver Cromwell in puritan England, Mary the queen of the Scots persecution of protestants etc.
Even in current times atleast in India(Not sure of the west), Xtian missionaries behave very badly and are vile. They use calamities and human tragedies like the Tsunami, the Bhopal gas leak to “harvest” souls. Mother Teresa for all she was worth was supporting this guy Anderson of union carbide and not a penny was spent in housing or medical treatment by the Missionaries of Chairty(Her organization), the majority that were affected being Hindu Also these evangelicals infiltrate government, university bodies to introduce their version of history, like. Read this link which has a series of articles of such activities http://indiafacts.org/?s=Christian+cultural+appropriation, float front NGO’s that clandestinely disrupt peace in society. Like for example read up on the Koodankulam nuclear plant in south india and how the opening and production of power was opposed by those NGOs.
I may sound anti christian and intended to offend no one. but i am not. But the truth is Christianity atleast in India is still aggressive in spirit like the medieval ages. Only the way it acts has changed, not in intensity but it does thing covertly So Prabh128’s statement is not wrong
gravenimage says
Of course, I know history. If you have to go back to Vasco de Gama, then this is pretty silly. Never mind that this has nothing to do with Christian scripture.
Tjhawk says
What a lovely family photo. Now, which one is the third, and which one is the fourth wife?
gravenimage says
India: Muslim’s fourth wife sets third wife ablaze
……………………
God, I hate Islam.
Champ says
I hate evil islam, too, Graven!
“Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.: — Romans 12:9
gravenimage says
Yes, Champ. Most Muslims marriages are loveless contracts not worthy of the name marriage.
Savvy Kafir says
These savages do not belong in the civilized world. They should be booted out of all countries in which Muslims are a minority — including India.
We need to stop the spread of this cancer, before it causes any more damage. You can’t “reform” cancer, and you can’t reform Islam. But you CAN get rid of it.
Mr. Bob Dobalina says
Great idea,
Let’s set up a Muslim immigrant camp right on your back yard.
What makes you think anybody else wants them on their backyard?
Leon Degney says
Yes, wherever they get kicked out of they go and set up shop elsewhere and continue their rampant troublemaking. The latest country is Myanmar, from where they are now invading Bangladesh. It never stops.
Frank Anderson says
Mr. Degney, am I confused? Bangladesh, which used to be called East Pakistan, which was formerly part of India before it was given to muslims to conclude a conflict (war?) in 1948(?), is still a muslim country. I believe the rohingyas were muslim invaders in Myanmar, which used to be called Burma, which is not a muslim controlled country. The rohingyas want to take control of Myanmar, formerly Burma, and make it another member of the organization of Islamic countries so BHO can talk about the 58 states he has visited instead of 57. Too bad for the rohingyas that the military which has essential control of Myanmar do not wish to become muslim, do not care for muslim murder, rape and pillage, and have taken to showing their displeasure by encouraging about 625,000 rohingya muslims to get out and go to Bangladesh. I don’t think there is a need for muslims conquering the already muslim country of Bangladesh. I would appreciate correction where I am in error; but that is what I understand. In any event we are probably in general agreement on the subject of muslim contributions to world peace, security, order and progress.
CRUSADER says
Nice to hear
from
Savvy Kafir !
🙂
melek-ric says
Robert said, “The Qur’an treats women as commodities; some women are not willing to put up with that.”
Not to mention the fact that human life is cheap in Arab Muslim cultures, and the women are often just as savage, vindictive and bloodthirsty as the men. Those in the West who proclaim that Muslim women will be the agents of change and reform in Islam are sadly mistaken.
gravenimage says
All grimly true.
Jayell says
This gives a new spin on the traditional marital ‘blazing row’. Trust the muslims to take it literally!
Voytek Gagalka says
“Muslim’s fourth wife sets third wife ablaze” and thus become Number Three herself. Genial! That is the only way one can advance in Mohammedan society, particularly if one is a woman. Advice to “Number Two” and “Number One”: you are the next. Watch out!
boakai ngombu says
if i remember from the village correctly … #3 possibly had not been given a child by the husband and she could seek divorce because being childless is an “embarrassment.” since she stood in lesser importance at that point (if true) #4 probably had been given a boychild by the husband and could be said to be the favorite. she would be the loving wife (favorite for sex) and would have additional status for having born a male.
#4 just wanted to increase her standing in the family, especially for the sake of the boy. #3 wouldn’t budge, so #4 moved her to damaged goods status and disgrace.
Champ says
Ayesha wanted Shabnam to divorce Saleem; but when she refused, Ayesha and her mother poured kerosene on Shabnam and set her ablaze….
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Doubt that Ayesha and her mother have a seared conscience over this heinous act, since allah (satan) approves of evildoers of every variety: liars, thieves, rapists, murderers …you name it, allah has your back.
Lydia Church says
More evil fruits upon evil fruits of islam.
Linda says
Doesn’t Islam have anything like psychiatrists? I fail to see how jealousy among wives which is supposedly common is also healthy by any stretch of the Western imagination. What do these people do with psychiatric patients?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Honor Murdered?
Frank Anderson says
They make the really sick into ayalollahs and imams. The mentally sicker one is the more qualified HE is to be a great leader. Freud, Adler, Jung, Maslow, Frankl, all Jews. Are there any Islamic psychiatrists?
StellaSaidSo says
Yep. Major Nidal Hassan, the Fort Hood jihadist, was a psychiatrist.
Frank Anderson says
Stella. . ., JACKPOT. You are absolutely correct. From a lifetime of friendship with psychiatrists and psychologists, in times gone by one of the major parts of training and education was to identify the personal problems of those seeking the training, certification and licenses. My understanding is that if those problems were not identified and corrected, or at least addressed, monsters would enter the profession with damaging influence to many of those seeking help. Looks like Hassan rode the wave of political correctness to avoid the traditional safeguards.
BTW quite similar evaluation is supposed to be part of obtaining licenses to practice law for the same reason. Sometimes it actually works. [examples, a person who would have obtained his license without the bar exam by “diploma privilege”, but stated his class rank on his resume as #7 instead of #70, and another person who was rejected because he had about 100 parking and traffic tickets. I wonder if the same result would apply if they were muslim and not bound by human law?]
How can anyone who has any personal knowledge of islam, and who is evaluating a prospective counselor of non-muslims, fail to connect the dots? Such willful ignorance is to me what lawyers call “universal malice”, exhibiting and acting with complete disregard of the risk and nature of the injury that is possible, and is an enemy of the help that originated and promoted counseling for what, more than 100 years. How can a muslim be expected to have any regard what is fundamentally a development of Jewish scholars? Thank you for noting this example. So far, we hope it is rare, if not unique.
Linda says
Major Hassan is a Muslim that people thought was integrated into American society, before he decided to radicalize himself. I am wondering whether, say, in Saudi Arabia or Iran or any of these Muslim countries, there is anything like a psychiatrist to treat mentally ill people. Maybe the sicker someone is, the more his/her behaviour approaches that of the Prophet, so they don’t see any need for treatment.
Frank Anderson says
Linda, I suggest that you review the accounts of Hassan’s lectures and other presentation before his shooting spree. There was every reason to be warned of his hatred.
I can only state my opinion as to the possibility of a “real” psychological professional practicing in muslim countries. I cannot see where generally accepted standards of mental health would be tolerated in Islamic countries, starting with the fact that those standards originated with Jews, and contradict every teaching of islam. The closest example I know is M.D. Wafa Sultan, who wrote the book A God Who Hates. God Bless that woman for her insight, courage and clear expression of the daily horror that goes on where islam rules.
Over 30 years ago I faced the same situation of being immersed in a corrupt and hostile company. Having gone 12 years to a military school with an honor code, being committed to upholding the law and living a fairly law-abiding life, it was a horrible experience. I predict any person attempting to practice in psychological counseling according to what we would consider current standards would face the same kind of horror under islam. Someone else may have better information, which I would certainly welcome.
StellaSaidSo says
Excellent posts, Frank. Yes, there was plenty of warning about Major Hassan’s impending attack, but political correctness prevented the appropriate response, and people died as a result. I recall that Obama attempted to have the massacre recorded as ‘workplace violence’.
I agree with you 100% re Dr Wafa Sultan. She is a hero. It takes immense courage to do what she has done. All apostates from Islam deserve our admiration and support. We should be funding THEIR initiatives rather than any program (eg those which purport to be aimed at ‘de-radicalisation’) associated with a mosque or Muslim organisation.
I don’t trust Muslim doctors, no matter how impressive their credentials. If they cannot see the fundamental contradiction between the demands of their ‘religion’, and those of the Hippocratic Oath, there is something wrong with their brain function. The notion that only the poor and alienated are at risk of becoming jihadis – as case after case involving doctors and other professionals demonstrates – is false. Dr Zuhdi Jasser, and other Muslims who want to ‘reform’ Islam, mean well, but they are simply postponing their own inevitable confrontation with reality. Islam is beyond fixing. They should renounce it completely.
Frank Anderson says
Thank you. I do not claim to know as much, or the details that a number of writers show they know here on JW. I do know enough to understand the falsehood, the TOTAL LIE, of reforming the unreformable. However benign the “reformers” pretend to be, they either do not face the reality of Islamic teaching, or they are practicing Islamic deception to confuse us and postpone our recognition and action to resist the Islamic conquest of our society. I cannot reconcile anyone who claims that basic, standard, orthodox, mainstream islam is “radical” and needs “reform” while remaining muslim. I think the only way to “reform” islam is to end it. Whether one person at a time, or millions, evil is evil. All that islam teaches is evil, and is a psychologically unhealthy view of life that I think any sane person should find offensive.
In the world of islam how much is contributed to relieve the widespread muslim poverty by muslims? How does that compare with the BILLIONS contributed to promote death, slavery, misery and conquest by those same muslims? Healthy people do not support murder, slavery, pedophilia, and especially suicide. I think the question should be credited to Pascal, “Is it healthier to see oneself as a child of God or as an accident?” (certainly not stated as he did). What does a healthy parent seek for his/her children. For Christians, Jews, and from what I understand about most religions LIFE. For islam, death. Having been legally dead for about 2 hours during heart surgery and quite near death a second time with a blood clot, I can say from experience, life is much better; and every breath is a Blessing from an Almighty God who wants His Children to live and prosper.
Leon Degney says
Psychotic episodes seem to be part of the deal when following this absurd cult. In fact a prerequisite methinks.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Woe, the depths of emotion and tensions of contested loyalties and favoritism that must ebb and flow in the polygamous household.
Such a terrible cauldron of mental torment, such a pressure cooker of frustrations and fear!
What never was commanded, and what never gave positive results, in the OT, and was explicitly forbidden in the NT by Jesus, has been set as an example by the sunnah of mohammad.
What a devil he was.
gravenimage says
And then, these women often can seldom leave the house, and can develop few outside interests or friendships. They are often completely reliant on the very creep who is pitting the wives against each other.
Add to that the Islamic creed that teaches that violence is the way to handle any perceived enemies, and these are the kind of horrors you get.
It was Conor Cruise O’Brien who said, “Arab and Muslim society is sick and has been sick for a long time. At the heart of the matter is the Muslim family, an abominable institution. It looks repulsive because it is repulsive.”
LeftisruiningCanada says
““Arab and Muslim society is sick and has been sick for a long time. At the heart of the matter is the Muslim family, an abominable institution. It looks repulsive because it is repulsive.””
Yes, so sad. How can love have any chance when a woman sees her husband giving his affections to other women, and she cannot claim him as her own? Even the threat of another wife, though if may never be realized, is enough to poison the whole thing from ever before it starts.
Edith Weberbauer says
There is no affection, or love between the Muslim husband and his wife. He is just satisfying his lust.
CRUSADER says
Could the same be said for Mormons?
Frank Anderson says
Mormon polygamy is contrary to the teachings of the governing body. Only really out of the park zealots continue the practice. This is one time where the vast majority of people of the highest quality are tagged with a label that has been out of date for over 100 years. To know a Mormon family is to know a really good example of many characteristics worthy of following. I have the great pleasure of a number of Mormon friends, and a fairly detailed conversation and education on the subject. I do not suggest perfection in any human enterprise. But continuing to pound on general Mormons for something that ended for the overwhelming majority is nonsense.
LeftisruiningCanada says
If there ever is a good marriage under either system, it must be because the man makes it clear he doesn’t actually believe in the polygamous aspect of it, and would never use it.
It’s the only way, i’m sure. Our human nature just doesn’t accept polygamy very well imho.
I’ve known several (culturally) muslim couples, mostly in western Turkey, and they seemed very much like any stable long term western married couple. There is no doubt in my mind that they would not be considered real muslims by many of their more religious brethren.
LeftisruiningCanada says
They like a beer and a bit of raki of an evening, for example 😉
CRUSADER says
I do have to hand it to LIRC, as he has a sense of whimsy in his writing ….
BRAVO !
abad says
Barbarians.
Islam has NO place in India whatsoever.
The Hindus should be driving them out, just like Myanmar is kicking out the alien Rohingya Moslems
Eur says
And the West should do the same.
peter says
Hindus have been the greatest dummies till the air travel and subsequent diaspora of a lot of middle class Hindus in search of greener pasture including Middle east became common and with advent of internet technology ,the congress govt and lay press lost their hold on the public. They soon realized that how in muslim countries ,no kaffer is safe and how mohanmed was the greatest pervert and sex molester in the history of the world and they have been brainwashed in the educational system .The genie is out and it cannot be put back Long live Ali Sinha ,Mr. Robert Spencer and many others who are risking their lives anbd their families’ in order truth be told .As they say to know but not to sayl is betrayal..God bless Jihad Watch,faithfrredom .org Finally last but least is Mr.David Wood, whose deep intellect and wit is unparalled
Matthieu Baudin says
Unofficial Polygamy has already been sanctioned in the West through the complicit action of welfare agencies, that choose to recognise these unions, and that keep them afloat financially, by providing support for the many offspring as if they belonged to single parent households. It would be preferable to wind back the welfare edifice and thus maintain our traditional family structures rather than continue to go down this path of social destruction paid out of the public purse.
isabella says
Bloody savages
Hogdude says
Any religion, group, sect, etc that advocates or sanctions polygamy is a cult, in my opinion. Look around and view all. The result for women is lack of loyalty, jealousy and lack of protection of a spouse. The advantage to the man is availability of different women, more children, more work done, and so on. Result: Women are second class citizens and family values suffer.
Valkyrie Ziege says
; https://youtu.be/XLQC7C3EIQM
Karen says
“but when she refused, Ayesha and her mother poured kerosene on Shabnam and set her ablaze….”
Oh, okay, seems like a reasonable, rational response. Sheesh.
BTW, since when can a Muslim woman divorce her husband? Perhaps India has special laws regarding divorce, or secular courts are an option, but this is certainly not standard Islamic law. In any event, women are certainly the big losers in Islam’s polygamous marriages.
Face it Ayesha, you’re wife #4, and not very important at all, so you better just get used to it. Plus, you may be facing life in prison or worse if wife #3 doesn’t pull through. (God willing, she will survive, and heal, I certainly will pray for her.) I’m sure you could have done better than this guy…..why did you settle for the crumbs of an Islamic polygamous marriage?
DDMisra says
Well done!