Islamic apologists in the West like to compare Sharia to Jewish law and Catholic Canon Law. When was the last time you heard of anyone being whipped for violating either one of those?
Sharia forbids not just the consumption of alcohol, but its sale as well. A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Verily Allah, the Exalted, has forbidden wine. So who hears this verse and he has anything of it with him, he should neither drink it nor sell it.” (Sahih Muslim 3835)
“Christian man whipped 36 times for selling alcohol and violating Sharia law,” by Lloyd Johnson, Express, January 19, 2018:
A MAN was flogged in a brutal public punishment for selling alchohol [sic] in violation of Sharia law in Indonesia as he was whipped 36 times.
Jono Simbolon, an Indonesian Christian was sentenced to 36 lashes with a rattan stick.
The punishment was so brutal that a doctor checked his health after 10 stokes, before allowing the flogging to continue.
Simbolon was arrested in October, in the northern Indonesian province of Aceh, for selling alcohol, in violation of Islamic law. He is only the third non-Muslim to suffer a public whipping.
Despite being a part of the world’s most populous Muslim-majority country, Aceh is Indonesia’s only province that implements Islamic law.
Simbolon was one of 10 people, including eight men and two women, convicted after Friday prayers.
He was sentenced alongside people accused of crimes that included pimping, prostitution and gambling.
Chief prosecutor Erwin Desman said Simbolon may have chosen caning in order to avoid lengthy criminal prosecution.
Aceh, located on Sumatra island, is 98 percent Muslim and enforces Islamic law known locally as Qanun….
Eur says
Indonesia, that great example that a democratic Islam is possible ….. ohohohhoho
CRUSADER says
Obama had some real early influence in Indonesia as a child….
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/29/obama-in-indonesia-wife-kids-and-650-soldiers
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-01/barack-obama-calls-for-peace-during-visit-to-indonesia/8670492
> “Indonesia is made of thousands of islands, hundreds of languages, scores of regions and ethnic groups. So my time here made me cherish and respect for people’s differences,” he told a packed audience in Jakarta.
Mr Obama stopped short of mentioning any specific cases of racial or religious intolerance. <
mortimer says
Obama respects difference, but Muslims punish differences.
gravenimage says
What “differences” does Obama respect? He has always been a fan of the oppressiveness of Islam.
abu taleb says
There have been thousands of churches attacked by the muslims for decades in Indonesia. And everything is swept under the rug.
So Indonesia is NOT an example of democratic Islam. And frankly, I don’t believe there is any example of a democratic Islam anywhere, except when the muslim population is only a very small fraction of the whole population.
Save Europe says
You’re absolutely correct. There are zero democratic Muslim countries anywhere in the World.
gravenimage says
+1
J D S says
Islam is…..Islam is not…..
With those five words one could write zillions of books.
Eur says
It was an ironic post….. Islam and democracy are completely incompatibles.
Hari Singh says
The Koran the eternal word of Allah from a holy tablet in Heaven is full of contradictions. There are Koranic surahs that only forbid showing up drunk for prayers. So like many Mohammedan laws it is based on the Hadiths or traditions of Muhammad.
O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say…. (An-Nisa; 4:43)
gravenimage says
There is plenty of violence in the Qur’an, as well.
CRUSADER says
Mark Durie in “The Third Choice” (authored along with Bat Ye’or)
pointed out that over vast areas under Caliphates and Islamic controlled territories
the Dhimmis have been persecuted, belittled, and debased throughout history of Islam’s reach.
Ritually the punishments and even the tributes (such as handing over jizya payment) are in the form
of reward to the Muslim overlords, and a denigrating experience for the Dhimmi who assumes the body
position simulating being executed: either by beheading or throat slitting.
Islam is lame
and is a “Religion” of Pieces….
cut by whack by slit by slice by hack by gash by slash….
Bunch of sadists. Perfect ideology for psychopaths to believe in.
Divine!
gravenimage says
Good post.
mortimer says
MUSLIM DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES IN INDONESIA – ILLEGAL
In December 2011, a second church in Bogor, West Java was ordered to halt its activities by the local mayor. Another Catholic church had been built there in 2005. Previously a Christian church, GKI Taman Yasmin, had been sealed. Local authorities refused to lift a ban on the activities of the church, despite an order from the Supreme Court of Indonesia. Local authorities have persecuted the Christian church for three years. While the state has ordered religious toleration, it has not enforced these orders.
In Aceh Province, the only province in Indonesia with autonomous Islamic Shari’a Law, 20 churches in Singkil Regency face threat of demolition due to gubernatorial decree requires the approval of 150 worshippers, while the ministerial decree also requires the approval of 60 local residents of different faiths. On 30 April 2012, all the 20 churches (17 Protestant churches, 2 Catholic churches and one place of worship belonging to followers of a local nondenominational faith) have been closed down by order, from the Acting Regent which also ordered members of the congregations to tear down the churches by themselves. Most of the churches slated for demolition were built in the 1930s and 1940s. The regency has 2 churches open, both built after 2000.
gravenimage says
This is only illegal under civilized law, Mortimer–not under Shari’ah.
No Fear says
Aceh is a Sharia sh*thole.
Salome says
The question should be: When was any punishment or sanction under Jewish Law or Roman Catholic Canon Law applied to people who weren’t Jewish on the one hand or Roman Catholic on the other?
PRCS says
In fairness, most Indonesian Muslims practice a warm, fuzzy, phony version of Islam. Cafeteria Muslims, if you will.
Those in Banda Aceh, on the other hand, do not.
A significant problem in discussing that with Indonesia’s warm and fuzzy crowd is the refusal to publicly admit that (1) their pick and choose “version” of Islam is blasphemous, and that (2) the “version” practiced in Banda Aceh is much closer to the Islam of Qur’an and Sunn’ah than theirs.
In a weeks long Twitter conversation with a very intelligent, worldly, 40 something Indonesian Muslim woman I was told that jihadists are “terrorists”, that she was unfamiliar with FGM, and other obfuscatory nonsense.
Ray Jarman says
PRCS, you are correct. In 1974 while being posted I dated an Indonesian lady who was working in Deutschland as a nurse. During the world cup, she and other Indonesian friends would go to a gasthaus for a few drinks and watch a soccer match and since her country had been colonized by Holland and they felt close to the Dutch we were happy every time Johan Cruyff scored. Later we went to Djakarta, not to be confused with Jakarta, to meet her family and we had a great time. She would perform her obligatory prayers and even though she was beautiful, I never got closer than a light kiss on the cheek. I don’t know if things have changed in her home village but the people there were extremely gracious and no one spoke about religion.
I am aware of the crimes against Christians villages, mostly on islands other than Java, over the years. The incident in Aceh upsets me especially since a lot of Christians donated a large amount of money after the tsunami destroyed almost everything they had and this is the thanks.
Baucent says
I’ve heard from contacts who visit Aceh that most of the development projects churches and mission groups funded, including the building of houses after the tsunami, have now been destroyed by Muslim Acehnese who oppose the idea that the Christians have given them anything. It’s a shame but that’s the mentality of these people.
Ray Jarman says
Thanks. Bausent, I was not aware of what you pointed out about the ingratitude. The next time there is a major disaster, I think we should let every one of them die.
gravenimage says
This does not surprise me, Baucent. Remember Muslims destroying the greenhouses in Gaza?
gravenimage says
Christians have been oppressed and threatened in Indonesia for a long time. It has not always been quite as bad as in other Muslim hell holes, but that is not saying much.
And sometimes it has been–like the attempted genocide of Christians in East Timur.
PRCS says
This, as an example:
Jakarta’s Christian governor jailed for blasphemy against Islam
https://www.reuters (DOT) com/article/us-indonesia-politics/jakartas-christian-governor-jailed-for-blasphemy-against-islam-idUSKBN1842GE
gravenimage says
Thanks, PRCS–I remember that ugly story. That he was trying to whitewash Islam makes no difference. If i remembver correctly, he was talking about how peaceful Islam was.
Jay says
That Indonesian woman probably thinks FGM is just as “female circumcision”. Muslims in South-East Asia practice FGM.
PRCS says
Actually, she’s lying; knowing full well what it is and the huge percentage of Indonesian girls who undergo it.
Cheer Bear Girl says
Islam is the religion of cruelty and sexual debauchery. This phony show of piety doesn’t impress me.
Barbara says
Whipping is a primitive punishment for this offense, but to this day, there are counties in the U.S. that are “dry” and do not allow alcohol to be sold, giving offenders hefty fines and jail time. In fact, about 100 years ago, the majority of the U.S. wanted to be “dry” and voted for Prohibition. If an area bans alcohol, then people need to either move or respect the law. It makes Christianity look bad when Christians sell alcohol illegally.
gravenimage says
Barbara wrote:
It makes Christianity look bad when Christians sell alcohol illegally.
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It makes Islam look a hell of a lot worse when they act like savages.
Salome says
It’s pretty rough when it’s your ancestral home and it gets taken over by sharia, which begins by applying only to the muslims but is then applied to you. It wouldn’t be suprising to learn that he had been running a liquor store openly for years, and then one day the mullahs decided he should be punished for it.
LeftisruiningCanada says
When you look at muslim countries on a general level, they always drink. Not each individual, but in general, muslims always drink alcohol.
Anyone with any power (army generals, police chiefs, politicians etc) has a way to get hold of alcohol for his parties. It’s part of what makes him powerful, being able to offer alcohol to his guests, and lower down subordinates he’s trying to get more personal control over.
What you said about him could be correct. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some offense given to the wrong person, who then had him punished like this to teach him a lesson.
gravenimage says
Quite possible, Salome.
David says
graven, I bet that bastard who did the whipping, really got off on it. Every delicious vicious stroke. Almost ecstatic, I would imagine.
gravenimage says
Pious Muslims are a bunch of sadists, so it would not surprise me.
StellaSaidSo says
For decades, the Saudis have poured millions of dollars into Indonesia (as they have done elsewhere), to ensure the dominance of their hard-line version of Islam. We are seeing the results now.
CS says
Is Indonesia a successful Muslim country?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkVtAc-uWBw&t=1s
Jay says
Malaysia and Singapore more successful than Indonesia, because only 60% (In Malaysia) and 14% (In Singapore) of the population is Muslim opposed to 87% in Indonesia. Just name me one nation where Muslims make up a overwhelming majority of the population which has a truly both a stable democracy and a first world economy.
StellaSaidSo says
Saudi Arabia has been pouring money into Malaysia for decades, a consequence of which is the recent shift in Malaysia toward the hard-line Islam of Saudi Arabia. Singapore has an increasing Muslim population. Across SE Asia, Islam is on the march.
Jay says
I agree fully with that process occurring in SE Asia, however the Muslim population is generally just growing natural increase in the existing Muslim population.
gravenimage says
And–rule of thumb–the more Islamic a country is, the worse it is. Afghanistan, Somali, and Yemen are all virtually 100% Muslim, and they are all hopeless Islamic sh*tholes.
gravenimage says
Indonesia: Christian whipped 36 times for selling alcohol and violating Sharia
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This poor man.
Still, he was only flogged and not murdered–I guess Indonesia is “moderate”, after all…sarc/off
MFritz says
Once a shithole country…
Minas says
It’s funny how Middle Eastern Muslims go there for vacations in order to party by getting loaded on alcohol and temporarily marrying some poor girl to have sex with before it’s time to leave and get back to business being pious believers in their own hellhole countries
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes. Iranians used to hop over to Syria for their parties.
I guess in a way, they still are.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Actually, sharia does permit Christians and Jews to buy and sell alcohol and pork products, and it even allows muslims to invest in these ventures, as long as they don’t actually consume their own products.
Prabh108 says
Hunter-gatherer, nomad and agriculturalist and the ascetic: in our heart we all know sometimes alcohol is medicine, particularly in cold climate. Alcohol Far less damaging then trashy cough syrup etc. at the modern dispensary.
pr108