There is “no compulsion in religion” (Qur’an 2:256), right? Well, not really. What constitutes “compulsion” is in the eye of the beholder. The institutionalized subjugation of the dhimma, with its regular humiliation and harassment, from which one can be freed for the simple price of converting to Islam, is not considered compulsion. Remember Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig, the journalists who were kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam — even though their conversions were obviously coerced, their captors made them say that they were converting freely, and the captors probably believed that themselves. After all, the journos could have chosen to be killed instead.
In this case, however, it seems more likely that these young savages were simply trying to humiliate, rather than actually convert, their victims, and impress upon them the supposed supremacy of Islam.
“Police Arrest Arabs Who Attacked Haredim on Shabbat, Forced Them to Convert to Islam,” by David Israel, Jewish Press, January 2, 2018 (thanks to David):
Two Arab residents of eastern Jerusalem, ages 18 and 19, were arrested on suspicion of attacking two young men in the city last Shabbat, according to an Israel Police tweet Tuesday morning. The tweet added that police suspect the two of cursing their two victims, beating them and fleeing the scene. The suspects will be brought to extend their remand in court shortly, the tweet concluded.
But a report from the Honenu legal aid society The Jewish Press online received two hours later, describes a terrifying event that violated not only the two victims’ bodies but their souls.
The victims, two Haredi (Ultra-Orthodox) men from Jerusalem, approached Honenu on Monday with the shocking details of their ordeal. They reported that while they were being beaten, their two attackers forced them to utter the Arabic verses of the “testimony” of the conversion to Islam. They were also forced to praise the terrorist organization Hamas, and curse the State of Israel and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu –while their attackers were documenting the event on video.
Honenu Attorney Haim Bleicher, who immediately contacted the police and pushed for the rapid arrest of the terrorists, said that this was a serious anti-Semitic incident, which is unique even in these volatile times in the city.
“Every day I treat victims of terror, but this a different kind of incident,” Bleicher said. “It’s an event that reminds us of the darkest days when Jews were humiliated and trampled. The attackers not only physically harm their victims, but they also humiliated them, forcing them to undergo a caustic, racist and anti-Semitic ordeal.”
john spielman says
i guess the ” ultra”orthodox should be conscripted into the army and learn to use weapons in self defense, then this would not have happened
mgoldberg says
How kind of you…. the orthox do go to the army, though they could use more. The ‘ultra’ actually believe their entire lives should be devoted to Torah study and some modest business to support their families. Yes… there are issues, but that’s not the point. The point is, they would never ever conscript anyone into belief in Judaism. All jews, and non jews should be bathed in the notion that there is only one religion that forces itself by religious belief into their one and only faith- or else.
And muslims should be told how vile that belief is, as opposed to how righteous they are told it is.
john spielman says
sorry, I am msiunderstood!
I was only saying that all Jewish people and Christians in Israel should have conceal and carry weapons for self defense – and that the Ultra orthodox Jews generally refuse and are exempted from obligatory military service
StellaSaidSo says
These thugs do not deserve the privilege of living in Israel. Drop them off over Afghanistan or some other Mohammedan hell-hole. They’ll feel much more at home amongst other low IQ barbarians.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Gaza is closer. Cheaper transport.
Israel has quite a few flights in that direction anyway.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep. The mohammedthugs and their entire families should be booted out into Gaza.
They want Islam? let them *have* Islam.
And.. cut off the power and water and everything else Israel supplies, pretty much gratis, to Gaza.
Let the mohammedan mob in jihad armed camp Gaza sustain themselves by intensive subsistence farming (which is perfectly possible in the Gaza Strip – it used to have extensive orange orchards in 1960 – Martha Gellhorn mentions them – and in the 16th century Jewish farmers had *vineyards* there). It isn’t barren desert. They could have chooks and goats.
If that’s too hard, then they can damn well go and beg to Egypt and the rest of the Ummah.
elee says
Probably many readers here are familiar with the doctrine of abrogation, whereby, if there is contradiction between two passages of the Kor’an, the later passages abrogates, or nullifies, the earlier. There are many later contradictory verses, directing believers to kill kafirs, subjugate the world, &c &c &c. The verse cited in this item is often cited by Muslim advocates to prove how benign and tolerant their cult is. As Muslims they surely are familiar with the doctrine. In other words representing this earlier, superseded verse as a valid command of Islam is a flat-out lie. Taqiyyah, or something related, this cult involves so many lies that they have a somewhat complex taxonomy of permitted and/or mandated lies.
Jack Diamond says
As explained on Islam Q&A: “The scholars explained that {this verse}, and other similar verses, have to do with those from whom the jizyah may be taken, such as Jews, Christians and Magians (Zoroastrians). They are not to be forced, rather they are to be given the choice between becoming Muslim or paying the jizyah.
Other scholars said that this applied in the beginning, but was subsequently abrogated by Allaah’s command to fight and wage jihad. So whoever refuses to enter Islam should be fought when the Muslims are able to fight, until they either enter Islam or pay the jizyah if they are among the people who may pay jizyah. The kuffaar should be compelled to enter Islam if they are not people from whom the jizyah may be taken, because that will lead to their happiness and salvation in this world and in the Hereafter.”
Muslims have creative definitions of compulsion. If Muslims force someone to profess Islam at the point of a sword, on threat of death, this is not considered compulsion because he is not being forced to believe in his heart just profess with his tongue. It is not compulsion, in the case of paying the jizya, because he has been given a choice!
Islam is nothing but compulsion for Muslim and non-Muslim alike. The penalty of death for apostasy is compulsion in religion. The stark choices given the disbelievers {“when the Muslims are able to fight”} convert to Islam or die; convert to Islam or die or pay the ransom for your life (and even this is provisional); is compulsion in religion. The compulsion, like the jihad, is seen as ultimately doing a favor to the renegades, as it “will lead to their happiness and salvation in this world and in the Hereafter” –should they make the right choice. The rest are hated and despised by Allah and get what they deserve.
gravenimage says
+1
CRUSADER says
Imagine the glorious days of Kumbaya in al-Andalus !
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The Fairy Tale of Al-Andalus | Gates of Vienna
gatesofvienna.net/2016/08/the-fairy-tale-of-al-andalus/
Aug 4, 2016 – The book reviewed below by Thomas Bertonneau follows on the heels of Emmet Scott’s work, and adds further layers of well-documented information debunking the notion of the “Golden Age of Al-Andalus”. Dario Fernández-Morera’s Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under …
Was the Islam of Old Spain Truly Tolerant? / The Religion of Peace …
209.157.64.200/focus/news/990694/posts?page=114
That lost Muslim kingdom — the southern region of Spain the Muslims called al- Andalus and is still called Andalusia — now looms over far more than the new mosque’s garden. And variations of “the Moor’s last sigh” — the sigh the final ruler of the Alhambra supposedly gave as he gazed backward — abound. For radical …
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LeftisruiningCanada says
Dario Fernández-Moreradid did a good interview about his book on a Christian radio show:
http://www.ironsharpensironradio.com/podcast/april-5-2016-show-with-dario-fernandez-morera-on-the-myth-of-the-andalusian-paradise-muslims-christians-and-jews-under-islamic-rule-in-medieval-spain/
elee says
Islam is Amalek.
Guy Forester says
So, is anyone shocked that this happened?
I am waiting for this to happen in more places.
R Russell says
I for one cannot imagine the terror these victims felt.
I do hope they will be able to forgive themselves for repeating something they don’t believe.
I hope those they know will assure them of God’s love and that God knows they did not mean what they were forced to say.
gravenimage says
Good post, R Russell.
IQ al Rassooli says
Jay
“There is no god but Allah & Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” == “La Ilah (no god) Illa (but) Allah wa (and) Muhammad Rassool (messenger) ‘Allah (of Allah)”
Invariably Muslims deliberately and erroneously translate the word ILAH into God thus DECEIVING Arabic and Quran ignorant humanity that Allah means God (of the Bible) when in FACT Allah was (and still is) the NAME of the Supreme Rock god of Pagan Arabia centuries before Muhammad transformed him into the God of the Bible
In a nutshell (based entirely on Muhammad’s Quran and Sunna) Allah and Muhammad are one and the same because Allah was the Voice over of the VENTRILOQUIST Muhammad
$200,000 says no human being can prove me WRONG!
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
gravenimage says
IQ, Jay Boo was being sarcastic.
Lydia Church says
You can’t ‘force’. You can only pressure and coerce.
But of course this is evil.
Hari Singh says
Technically converting to Islam is permitted by the Jewish law or Halacha. As it involves no idolatry or what is considered idolatry such as trinitarianism. It isn’t does not include harming others. What is absolutely forbidden was outlined millennia ago by Tanbi Akiva and is a subject of study in the Talmud. It is said that one of the greatest rabbis Mosessonides converted under compulsion in his native Spain, when he reached the safer Egypt he resumed his Jewish faith.
Michael says
According to Maimonides, even a Gentile is forbidden to observe the precepts of Islam.
To accept the Quran as the word of God entails rejecting the Torah and blotting out the Divine Name YHWH.
Mo says
Why are Muslims allowed in Israel when Jews are not allowed in Mecca and Medina? Anyone? Anyone? Buueeeeeeller?
gravenimage says
Israel: Muslim teens beat two orthodox Jews, force them to utter testimony of faith in Islam and praise Hamas
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These poor men.
Where would Islam be without violence? *Ugh*.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It would be located in a small entry of a middle eastern history book, like so many other death cults we read about today 🙂
They knew as much back in the day, and are well aware of this fact today :
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3572/islam-apostasy-death
gravenimage says
So true.