Interesting choice of words, in light of this from Ellison’s holy book: “And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may strike terror the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know, whom Allah knows” (Qur’an 8:60)
In 2008, Ellison accepted $13,350 from the Muslim American Society (MAS) to go on a pilgrimage to Mecca. The Muslim American Society is a Muslim Brotherhood organization: “In recent years, the U.S. Brotherhood operated under the name Muslim American Society, according to documents and interviews. One of the nation’s major Islamic groups, it was incorporated in Illinois in 1993 after a contentious debate among Brotherhood members.” That’s from the Chicago Tribune in 2004, in an article that is now carried on the Muslim Brotherhood’s English-language website, Ikhwanweb.
jihad3tracker says
AH YES — MY FAVORITE JERK POPS UP ON ROBERT’S RADAR AGAIN ! ! ! HE WOULD NEVER ADMIT THIS, BUT I AM PUTTING SERIOUS MONEY ON HIM CHECKING JIHAD WATCH EVERY DAY.
Just to see what the other stealthy Allah worshippers are up to.
Hello Mr. Ellison. By the way, do you have any hint of how deeply contemptuous (regarding you) are the members of Congress who DO NOT hold to the mandates of Muhammad ?
mortimer says
Keith Ellison is probably aware that the Muslim Brotherhood of which is a member was based on the FASCISM of Mussolini and that his political agenda is primarily fascist.
Keith Ellison is further aware that by promoting a group that calls itself ‘ANTI’-fascist, he is DISGUISING and DISSEMBLING his true motive which is to IMPOSE ISLAMIC FASCISM on the world through DISCRIMINATORY, DRACONIAN, BRONZE-AGE Sharia law.
George Orwell famously observed as early as 1946 that “The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’.
What Keith Ellison finds ‘not desirable’ is anything opposed to the imposition of ISLAMO-FASCIST, MISOGYNISTIC, DISCRIMINATORY SHARIA LAW.
Keith Ellison thinks freedom of expression is ‘fascist’, whereas freedom is actually the OPPOSITE of fascism.
mortimer says
Fascism is the rejection of the entire legacy of the Enlightenment with its values of reason, toleration, open-ended inquiry and the rule of law.
By PROMOTING Antifa, Keith Ellison is OPPOSING the Enlightenment and declaring himself to be opposed to reason, tolerance of other opinions, free inquiry and reason-based legality.
J D S says
Time for his fellow congressmen to abandon this guy to the far reached of the bathroom…OH NO!…that would be racist and islamophobic. At present there are only Two Muslims in congress….”AT PRESENT”
gravenimage says
Good posts, Mortimer.
Phil Martin says
This is why when Roy Moore, in Alabama, said that no Muslim should hold public office, we all who read and follow Jihad Watch and what has happened all over London, England since Sadik Kahn has been Mayor there, were content with that statement. But the media and the left were apoplectic over it.
epistemology says
Mr. Moore is absolutely right, if Muslims Muslims get power they always misuse it, they’ve got a totally wrong legal system
CRUSADER says
Steve Bannon “got” that concept.
So did General Michael Flynn.
WPM says
Muslims true Islamics in power are like true Nazis in power no good outcome for people who do not tot the Nazi party line!
Sons of Liberty says
Because Muslims will NEVER ACCEPT …the US Constitution …as the LAW OF THE LAND ! They will lie, taqiyya ….and say they do …. when we ALL know the Qur’an will NEVER ALLOW them to believe in any law other than Sharia Law. I wonder if Mr. Ellison put his hand on the Bible ..or the Qur’an when he TOOK AN OATH …..to PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION …..AGAINST ALL ENEMIES …FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC !
LeftisruiningCanada says
Anyone who, in North American, wants to get sworn into any position by placing his hand on a koran automatically disqualifies himself from entering that position.
Might as well swear on a copy of mein kampf, the little red book, or anything by marx.
gravenimage says
Agreed.
William says
He put his hand on the Qur’an.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Says a lot doesn’t it.
Bizarre that it’s possible to swear an oath of truth and allegiance with your hand on a book that commands lying to, and conquering of, any non muslim nation.
Carol says
Ellison wasn’t sworn in using a Bible or a Koran (although a staged picture creates the impression that he used a Koran), This article explains it:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/ellison.asp
I recall reading a post that claimed “a Muslim is permitted to swear right on the Koran while lying with full consciousness IF he is advancing Islam, because he knows his sins are pardoned.”
Carol says
What’s shocking is that he’d use Jefferson’s Koran for the staged picture. Doesn’t he know that it represents the fight against the Barbary pirates and that Jefferson deliberately studied Islam in order to understand and combat them?
Ellison needs to ponder Islam in light of Jefferson’s statement:
“I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
mortimer says
Keith Ellison finally reveals himself as an opponent of the freedom of expression and enemy of the First Amendment and a friend and supporter of THUGGISH, VIGILANTISM.
Keith Ellison supports and promotes THUGGERY!
Bill says
Antifa, BLM and other similar groups are the military wing of the Democrat Party. When the Democrats need muscle, they call out their troops. Whether it be to assault and intimidate supporters of President Trump or to silence conservative views at university campuses.These organizations are funded by the same people that contribute to the Democrats and other leftists causes and organizations. Ellison is being more transparent about it than most of his Democrat peers.
It sort of reminds me of the relationship that Sinn Fein had with the IRA.
bonnie louise loranger says
Mortimer I totally agree with you
StellaSaidSo says
It is no surprise that Keith Ellison supports Antifa. Islam, like Antifa, was tailor-made for thugs.
CRUSADER says
Minnesota has a Muslim problem.
Ellison is a real traitor and needs to be fully exposed to the arctic blast.
IQ al Rassooli says
Dear Americans, please always remember that as Infidels/ Kuffar/ Non Muslims, you are NOT the only ones targeted for Subjugation to Sharia or EXTERMINATION by Muslims (Arabs or otherwise) hence it is VITAL that you realize that one does not need more than two brain cells of logic to understand Muslims and Islam in a nutshell~
Since every Muslim is Sharia compliant (Keith Ellison and London mayor Khan are prime examples who made Haj to Mecca as well as Linda Sarsour who LOVES Sharia) every Muslim cannot ever be a Law abiding LOYAL citizen in ANY non Muslim nation because these nations do not submit to Allah’s Sharia.
Hence every Sharia compliant Muslim (Keith Ellison & Linda Sarsour are perfect examples) is by his/her belief system the Mortal and Eternal ENEMY of every human being on Earth who is NOT a Muslim (Infidels/ Kuffar) who hide their disloyalty by PRETENDING and deceiving (Taqiyyah) non Muslims that they are part and parcel of the American or European dream.
Therefore, Ummat Muhammad (Muslims) 20% of humanity aspires to do one of two things to all non Muslims (80% of humanity): To SUBJUGATE them to Sharia or to EXTERMINATE them.
Let me put it in an even shorter way: Muslims cannot possibly be BOTH Good Muslims and Loyal citizens among Kuffar/Infidels
Every Muslim is hence a potential Mass Murderer the instant he/ she decides that he/she is NOT Sharia compliant enough (just like in the recent Muslim terrorist attacks in UK and the Afghani Muslim soldiers who murder their American benefactors etc)
Although it is true that Not ALL Muslims are Terrorists BUT 100% of all Terrorist attacks against Infidels/ Kuffar are committed ONLY by Muslims. Therefore, every Muslim is a hair trigger Time Bomb primed to go off (It is also a FACT that it is IMPOSSIBLE to point out who among Muslims is a terrorist or not)
Only in the WARPED imagination of leftists can one find Moderate, Militant, Radical or Extremist Muslims because in reality Muslims are Muslims just as Nazis are Nazis and no one ever addressed Nazis as Moderate, Militant, Radical or Extremist. (Just ask PM Erdogan of Turkey to prove my statements)
All other explanations are superfluous and redundant It is time for every decent and patriotic person to unshackle yourselves from the pre conceived but erroneous notion that ANYONE who is not a Muslim can make PEACE with Islam.
All anyone in doubt has to do is READ only chapters 2 to 9 of Muhammad’s Quran and watch the repeated mass slaughter of unarmed innocent European, American, Russian, Indian, Chinese, Iraqi etc. civilians by Muslims proclaiming they are doing the butchery to PLEASE their demonic god Allah
As usual, all that Europeans and Americans get from their criminally negligent leaders after every Islamic mass murder are platitudes, meaningless expressions of sympathy to the hapless victims by the very leaders who are not willing to protect their citizenry because of their abject denial of all Facts and Reality regarding the simple TRUTH about Islam and Muslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTuFA1fQ-yg&feature=youtu.be&a
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
http://www.alrassooli.com
CRUSADER says
Muslims cannot possibly be BOTH
Shari’ah compliant Muslims
and
Loyal citizens among Kuffar/Infidels
in Non-Muslim majority locations.
LeftisruiningCanada says
I’m pretty much on board with what you say IQ, apart from:
“100% of all Terrorist attacks against Infidels/ Kuffar are committed ONLY by Muslims.”
It would depend on some closer definitions as to how that is to be understood.
Jimm says
It makes absolute sense when you understand that ONLY a muslim considers a non muslim (including other Muslim sects considered to be NOT good enough muslims) to be a KUFAR!!
LeftisruiningCanada says
That was one of the options yes.
Just wasn’t sure if we were playing it like that.
Timothy Micheal McAlee, Sr. G.eD. says
These Muslim fanatics, like Keith Ellison, believe that, “allah” will reward them with 72 Virgins & they could Not be more wrong! Mohammad was a Dyslexic & misread the Quran! It says, “with 27 Virgins will I reward You, Butt, You won’t know, if they are Male, or female, until you get here Suckers”!!!
I believe, that when & if the so-called Calafate, reaches Our shores, where you have, violence in the streets, to the point that police can’t control it & lose the battle, like happened in Irac, then & only then, will the so-called moderate Muslims turn in their Christian neighbors, to this new corrupt & Evil Government!!!
That is what happened, in Natzi Germany, before WORLD WAR 2, where the non-christians, turned on their Jewish neighbors, after years of niceties, “Good morning, how are you today, Herschel”?!
Prabh108 says
The regressive left is dangerous. Regressive leftist organizations must be classified as terrorist organizations around the world.
Don McKellar says
It’s always ironic to see a hard left violent group like Antifa do what all leftist do: play a GAME OF PROJECTION. Here they are, hard fascists in word and deed, and they publish an anti-fascist handbook! Of course fascism comes from the left and was created by Mussolini who was a member of hard left violent groups before creating his own which centered on himself and fully developed fascism. And Hitler took over a leftist group to form the National Socialist Party of Germany.
It’s no wonder Ellison the scum would embrace them as the useful idiots they are for Islam.
mike9a says
Ditto!
CRUSADER says
True.
Fascism seems to come from the Left.
Right seems to become Reactionary.
Prabh108 says
Captain Vadakayil states Hindus are reactionary. His history of North India is shallow.
We need rule by fully enlightened sage-warriors.
Freedom is worth protecting.
Dharmic Unity Organization must replace uno.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Some would argue that Gentile, and even some French thinkers before him, were the originators of fascist thought, but i know what you mean.
It’s hard to think of any way in which Antifa don’t qualify as fascists themselves. If there is anything, it’s probably just borrowed from the Communists.
LeftisruiningCanada says
And i agree of course that fascism is a product of the Left. By any measure it cannot be considered to be a right of center political philosophy.
Fascism is fundamentally opposed to the rights, or even the existence, of the individual. The Collective is everything. Centralized control is paramount. There can be nothing outside of the State, everything must be within.
If those things don’t define the Left, i’m not sure what does.
Don McKellar says
Exactly.
Walter Sieruk says
As about the violent men who compose Antifa with their Antifa /Islamic alliance which is also known as the Marxist /Islamic or the Red /Green alliance . The Antifa ruffians are blind to the reality that it’s only a matter of time before the jihadists turn violently against them after using the Antifia people as their “useful idiots” Meaning their stooges and tools to further and fulfill their Islamic agenda . What fools those Antifa members are!
gravenimage says
Interesting–I had not noticed.
LeftisruiningCanada says
And aren’t they
Walter Sieruk says
In America’ s “cultural war” between the conservatives, of the Right , and the vicious enemies of the far- left , Antifa which is the Marxist /Islamic alliance also called the Red /Green alliance . Those Antifa hooligans do poses a danger. Hooligans they actually, for the have proven this, many over by their actions violence and mayhem. Those violent, criminal and lawless characters who compose Antifa are have also proven by their own behavior that they are people of a very low intelligence level. For intelligent people are don’t carry on in awful violent ways .People of intelligence use reason and logic by lobbying wit petitions Therefore people of intelligence , reason and logic the Antifa hooligans are not with their vicious assaults chaos , mayhem ,vandalism and other forms heinous violence
In sum , in this Cultural War the brutal ruffians of Aftifa are , somewhat of ,a reminder of the 1979 movie which is entitled TIME AFTER TIME .In which the hero in that movie said “The first man to raise his fist is the man who has run out of idea’s” So those of Antifa and other of the radical left are those in this cultural war are those men who “have run of Idea’s”
Prabh108 says
The far-left is lazy and cannot generate wealth because they are too full of rage and lust to be productive citizens.
Usually they (the far-left) and their supporters are also fat and greedy. They create all sorts of unjust wars of looting in an attempt to satiate their never-ending desires. Misery created by communism/jihadism will never be forgotten. Atheists tend to lean left – anyone notice the lack of glow on the face of an atheist? Of course there are exceptions – we cannot judge a book by its cover however I personally despise the far left.
Government programs kill the desire for success that exists in every heart – the drive and incentive to succeed is ruined by government programs.
To defeat jihad we must make use of government programs – for example, kick Pakistan out of the Commonwealth of Nations.
StellaSaidSo says
Please stop assuming that atheists ‘lean left’ or that – even more absurdly – their ‘faces lack glow’. ‘Atheism’ simply means ‘without belief in gods’. I would also point out that, unless you believe simultaneously in ALL gods, you too are an atheist when it comes to other faiths. It may also surprise you to know that it is possible to live a decent, moral, productive, law-abiding life without reference to a deity. And that most atheists are actually on the side of reason, justice, and fair play – ie opposed to Islam and its traitorous enablers.
FYI says
Did you hear what the “prophet” muhammed… said…. when he met the men from muslim brotherhood?
“allhamdulillah…praise be to allah for providing me with fresh black slaves..i’ll need two black members of muslim brotherhood…in exchange for a white slave i wish to buy”
muhammed the seller of black people….
{sahih muslim 3901}
mo sold 2 black slaves sold for the price of……… one non-black slave.
Shmoovie says
Ughh– no surprise, once again, from the nauseating “sensitive” Ellison who weeps over the plight of muslims in America. Who did he swear an oath to??
What fitting words for a muslim CONGRESSMAN to use against a US President: “Strike fear into the heart of…”
What else would this angry ugly demon wish to do to the American leader and those who support him?
How PROUD of their ‘pet’ must the dopey, truly racist MN leftists be.
FYI says
WANTED
Two black members of the muslim brotherhood
(to be sold in exchange for one white slave)
must be muslim, lack reasoning faculties and be unable to get irony.
signed by order of
the great “prophet” muhammed
gravenimage says
Muslim Brotherhood Congressman Keith Ellison endorses violent Leftist Antifa group
……………………
Disgusting–but no surprise.
Champ says
Ellison is a traitor and a FRAUD!
CRUSADER says
UNDERSTANDING THE THREAT—-
Should Congressman Keith Ellison Be Charged With Treason?
U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison has a long and detailed history of working with terrorists and others plotting to overthrow the United States government, in direct violation of U.S. Federal Code and Ellison’s Oath of Office.
UTT is asking the question: Is there enough evidence to charge him with Materially Supporting Terrorism and Treason?
Keith Ellison is a muslim who converted to Islam as a young man.
Ellison believes sharia (Islamic law) – the barbaric legal system called for by the Islamic State, Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Cooperation), and other Islamic groups – should be the law of the land everywhere.
Ellison spoke at the National Lawyers Guild fundraiser for Sara Jane Olson in 2000. Sara Jane Olson was a terrorist with the Symbionese Liberation Army who was in hiding for 25 years before being arrested in 1999.
Congressman Ellison regularly meets and strategizes with the leader of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood and the terrorist group Hamas in the United States – doing business as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) – Nihad Awad. The two are very close and work together on propelling the Islamic Movement forward in the United States.
U.S. Hamas/MB Leader Nihad Awad (left) with U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison (center)
U.S. Hamas/MB Leader Nihad Awad (left) with U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison (right)
Ellison supports and meets with leaders of Muslim Brotherhood organizations such as the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). In the largest terrorism financing trial ever successfully prosecuted in American history (US v HLFRD, Dallas 2008), ISNA is identified by the U.S. government as a Muslim Brotherhood organization which financially supports the terrorist group Hamas.
See ISNA’s financial documents entered into evidence revealing their direct financing of Hamas here.
Ellison has been a speaker at Muslim Brotherhood national conferences (ISNA, CAIR, et al) in the United States.
U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison has spoken at a Hamas (CAIR) conference in California.
The stated goals of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Islamic Movement is to overthrow the United States government and replace it with an Islamic State under sharia. See MB By-Laws here.
Now, Ellison is publicly supporting the violent revolutionary group Antifa.
Ellison’s choice of words in his tweet is telling, especially when juxtaposed with the Koranic verse from which the sentiment likely came.
“Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah.” Koran 8:60
These few facts, at a minimum, constitute Reasonable Suspicion to believe Congressman Keith Ellison is acting against the interests of the United States, using his office to aid and abet enemies of the United States, materially supporting a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (Hamas), and participating in activities with individuals and organizations directly working to overthrow the United States government.
All of these are violations of the law and appear to meet the legal standard of Treason under Title 18 U.S. Federal Code Section 2381 which reads:
“Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”
————————————————
UNDERSTANDING THE THREAT website
and
“MUSLIM MAFIA”
common sense says
“All things in moderation including ‘moderation’ “. Islam has perfected BF’s philosophy to perfection, think on it.
What are we gonna do? That’s like Obama burning the flag in your face, wiping his ass with the constitution and punching your lady liberty right in the nose.
Ellison has always been to obvious, this however is brazen provacation. He is way to comfortable with his Muslim and lefty constituents to do this.
CRUSADER says
His comfort and confidence must mean there have been behind doors meetings of agenda makers within the Muslim Brotherhood to trigger more fractures in our society.
More coming….
prabh108 says
I hate it when I see negroidal black females walking around with what I will call ‘hindu’ hair on their head. This hair is sold by mongoloidal Koreans. When I think of this I just feel like vomiting.
Regressive leftist race-hustlers allied with jihadists are in fact terrorists and a threat to liberty.
“Eternal Vigilance is Price of Liberty” Jefferson
It takes aeons of evolution to be born with silkier than silk black hair.
To quote a fellow commenter on JihadWatch: “God I hate Islam”.
Nothing wrong with hating enemies of freedom.
gravenimage says
What is this off-topic racism about?
Eric jones says
I agree with gravenimage.
Eric
LR says
“What is this off-topic racism about?”…
Smokin’ too much ganga?
Prabh108 says
I abstain from drugs as I am high on the magnanimous tranquil God.
Hair and skin are both alive.
Expropriation of beauty really is the ultimate sin.
For the record: I reject any and all ‘isms’ from the Frankfurt School.
I follow Dharm(a) as best as possible.
Man is Divine. Woman is Shakti. Child is Roop (perfect beautiful form) of Paramatman/Bhagwan-Brahman (Emersonian Oversoul).
The America of The Transcendentalists is still alive and well, thank you very much.
as always, kindly excuse any and all errors.
pr108
gravenimage says
Prabh108 wrote:
Expropriation of beauty really is the ultimate sin.
………………………
Wait–you have more trouble with someone wearing a wig or dying their hair than you do with rape and mass slaughter?
Champ says
“…I am high on the magnanimous tranquil God.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are you Hindu? …with a list of 330 million goddesses and gods? So which of the countless ‘choices’ are you high on? That many gods sounds very confusing to me …
Anyway, doesn’t matter on this forum. What matters is that you hate evil islam …
“Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.: — Romans 12:9
Hey and stick to taking aim at the real enemy: islam, and not: “I hate it when I see negroidal black females” …
That kind of garbage is not welcome here.
Champ says
Indeed, Graven. I think that “prabh108” is making a poor attempt at moral equivalence …
She’s apparently having difficulty fully understanding that islam is in a class by itself. And by comparing the things that she hates–to hating islam, profoundly undermines and marginalizes the immense threat that islam poses to us all.
Champ says
prabh108 wrote:
“I hate it when I see negroidal black females walking around with what I will call ‘hindu’ hair on their head. This hair is sold by mongoloidal Koreans. When I think of this I just feel like vomiting.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This forum is not designed for sharing your personal hatred for–well, the above. We all have personal grievances outside of the topic of islam, and yet the majority of us *know better* than to share them here.
Suffice it to say, your comment is egregious and it’s not what this forum is ABOUT. Your attempt to marginalize the real and serious threat–that islam poses, is not appreciated or welcome here, at all. And you need to find another forum that might cater to your particular brand of nasty remarks–of which I hope you fail to find. But Jihad Watch is NOT it.
Carol says
What makes you think prabh108 is a female? Sounds more like a male to me.
Champ says
Perhaps. But what difference does this ultimately make?
762x51FMJ says
Ellison was sworn in with a Qur’an. He made no promise to uphold our Constitution,
He is using his First Amendment right to quote Qur’an in a threat against our President and all Americans,
..while endorsing black masked mobs to silence people and stop them from speaking the truth..That Islam is a slavery-based death cult: Proof of this is that all women are slaves to men and the penalty for apostasy is death..
Carol says
No one gets sworn in on a book (see my earlier post). I’ve seen Ellison in videos and he is obviously low calibre for a position that should require (or at least give the illusion of) brains and character. North America is looking a little “dumbed down” these days.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Keep it up Ellison. The more you do things like this, the more people will realize what you’re really about.
Eric jones says
Whom in Ellison’s district will run against him? I hope its an independent. Why are there so may people voting for Ellison in the first place?
Eric
Cheryl s. says
Keith Ellison must be removed from office. He enforces ANTIFA? They are a domestic terrorist group dedicated to the bringing down of America and the sharia believing Ellison, who was disgusted at the thought of taking his oath of office on the Bible, solidly supports them. I say then that if ANTIFA are domestic terrorists then so is Ellison and he is a clear and present danger to our Republic.
abad says
Ellison needs to go, he supports violence, he is a member of the most violent religion on earth, Islam, and has NO business being in politics.
He should move to Syria and Allahu Akhbar over there.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Robert Spencer, you are just advocating racial discrimination against muslim Americans. Is savage mad devil Trump also planning to ban muslim Americans and deport them ? Remember, you are migrant from Turkey. you should be deported back to your original home land Turkey. most muslim Americans have no second country to go unlike you.
StellaSaidSo says
Don’t be ridiculous. Robert Spencer has never advocated racial discrimination – UNLIKE you demented Muslims. Nor is Mr Spencer a migrant; he, and his parents, are American-born. And plenty of ‘Muslim Americans’ (make up your mind, you can’t seriously be both a compliant Muslim AND a loyal American) DO have a ‘second country’ to go to – the one they just ran away from in order to avail themselves of all the freebies so generously provided by civilised and tolerant Western societies. If you believe in the barbarism of Islam, you do not belong in civilised society. The smart Muslims abandon Islam. Obviously, you are not one of the smart ones.
Champ says
Another feeble and foolish attempt by the imbecile “ibrahim itace muhammed” to discredit the highly respected and erudite Robert Spencer …yeah it’s almost painful to watch the ass-clown make such a fool of himself, but I should reserve my sympathies for more of a truly deserving soul–not this heartless creep.
StellaSaidSo says
The scary thing about the Idiot Ibrahim is that there are millions more who are exactly the same as he is – just as stupid and just as deluded. The dire consequences of 1400 years of inbreeding and relentless brainwashing are here for all to see. It is not a pretty sight.
Champ says
Indeed, Stella! How right you are.
LeftisruiningCanada says
” racial discrimination”
Where’s do you see this, Ibrahim?
There’s no talk about deporting based on race.
Deporting muslims is nothing to do with racism.
gravenimage says
What race is Islam again?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Seems like a race to see who can be the worst possible human being; a race back down the civilizational ladder, winner loses all.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Stella, from which country most of the original muslim Americans came from ? most muslim Americans are black Americans. Ask your anscentors Who are now burning in middle of hellfire for dying as pagan mithraist Christians to tell you from the exact location in the world they shipped them to América.mr Spencer can tell from where his parents came from, which is Turkey, and so also savage mad devil Trump and Other White idiot supremacists, which is Europe. Let all of them go back their original goéland and leave Americas for the Aboriginists mostly red Indians Who survived genocide by wicked White mithraist christians.
Remember911 says
You first, Ibrahim. Muslims out of all the lands they conquered and colonized and are STILL colonizing! Saudi is plenty big enough to hold all of you and then you can eat the oil. Oh what a lovely world it will be.
StellaSaidSo says
Damn right, Remember911.
StellaSaidSo says
Ibrahim, you are either a troll or a demented fool. I suggest that you take the trouble to actually comprehend posts before attempting a response. I said ‘plenty’ of ‘Muslim Americans’ have a ‘second country’ to go to, since so many are recent arrivals, in the US solely to bludge off the US tax-payer, as Muslims do everywhere else in the civilised world. We should not hesitate to send the filthy parasites back where they came from. Anyone who wants to adapt to Western values, and to earn their own keep, is welcome, but there is no reason why we should fund hostile free-loaders who display not a shred of gratitude for the hospitality which has been extended to them.
I point out that you know nothing of my ancestors, and there is no such place as ‘hell-fire’, except in your fevered imagination. You also know nothing of Mr Spencer’s ancestors, who are Greek, not Turkish. You claimed that Mr Spencer is a ‘migrant’. He is, like his parents, American-born, as I said above. The facts really don’t matter to you, when they don’t fit your poisonous narrative.
Your accusations of ‘white supremacy’ are particularly laughable, coming from someone who adheres to the most supremacist ideology ever conceived by mortal man.
If you want to seriously argue that all colonizers should vacate the lands that they have acquired over the centuries, you will need to severely reduce the acreage currently held by Islamic govts, who gained them largely thru bloody conquest, at the cost of millions of innocent lives. Clearly, you know nothing of your own shameful history. No surprises there, of course. Ignorance is the hallmark of Islam.
Champ says
“Ibrahim, you are either a troll or a demented fool.”
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Both.
Carol says
Stella…love that last paragraph!
LeftisruiningCanada says
“pagan mithraist Christians”
You haven’t substantiated this claim yet Ibrahim.
Please do so. If you can’t, then to stop repeatedly say it would be one honest thing you could do.
“Red Indians”
Ha, now who’s the racist!
JawsV says
Ellison, born a Christian and converted to Islam. Obviously weak-minded.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, here is the response:
First, It is beyond dispute that no single word of what Jésus actually taught was recorded when he was on this earth and non of his disciples wrote It down unlike the Quran, which was recorded in the presence of prophet muhammad and he verified and confirmed all what was recorded and his companions Who included zaid bn Thabit Who was among those who recorded It chaired the committee that undertook collecting and compiling what was recorded after thé demise of prophet muhammad and it has been the same uptil today where copies with us was copied from the original without altering à single word. In thé case of Christian Bible, especially the New Testament, Helen Ellerbe in her work”Thé dark side in christian history “(1995)p16 stated thus:
“in the Catholic Enclopedia Christian leaders have to admit that the idea of clear-cut canon of New Testament existing from the begining has no foundation in history “.
According to Celsus a Roman philosopher, St Paul Who was the First to record Christian canon never met Jésus or any of his disciples and he wrote only 13 books out of 200 différent books. who wrote the rest including 30 principal Gospels ? Helen Ellerbe in the “Dark side of christian history “stated that from the range of texts, Christian leaders decided upon à small canon of just 27 documents, which became known as “New Testament “in 367CE under Antanasus the Bishop of Alexandaria and other books ordered to be discarded accross lands on the order of Roman Emperor then. However, many christians opposed the authenticity of these 27 books. Eg in syria they only accepted 22 books, while in Turkey and Ethiopia they accepted 31 books.
You can See from the above that actual teachings of jesus has been controversial due to spéculative nature of its records. This gave room for manipulations and incorporation of some doctrines not actually taught by jesus. According to Freke and Gandy (1999)p199,Paul Or Saül Who came from T’arsus, which was the centre of mithraism then, brought much of pagan doctrines of mithraism into christianity and it was adopted by Nicea council in 325 CE, which doctrines are found in the books líke John.
Nicole Canfield stated thus:
“christianity inherited everything from the pagans -the worship of a dying Godman Who was resurrected, ascend into heaven and brings salvation to mankind-was also the core beliefs in mithraism that began in the near East two thousand years before jesus”.see owlcation. com/humani,for vérification.
Canfield further stated thus:”
“when the Council of Nicea convened the main issue they were to decide upon was whether Christ was God and how they Will instill belief in him as God or merely begotten son of God “.See http://www.entheo/org/pocm,for détails.
Thank you
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Champ says
Wow the imbecile managed to write an entire essay comprised of nothing but LIES–from his first sentence, to his last. Congratulations.
But this idiotic essay doesn’t compare to the grotesque stack of lies written–cover to cover, in the unholy quran and inspired by the king of lies: muhammad.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed.
The imbecile managed to string together a series of plagiarisms.
Just like the original compilers of the Koran did.
Champ says
His efforts to defend islam are ridiculous and very tiresome. And only an imbecile will attempt to defend the indefensible.
StellaSaidSo says
GIBBERISH.
gravenimage says
I see that Ibrahim itace muhammed has learned to cut and paste…
StellaSaidSo says
Any day now, he’ll advance to finger painting.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Too bad, Ibrahim, you had me expecting a serious discussion.
I thought we were going to address specific points comparing Mithraic beliefs to Christian beliefs. There were several we could have looked at in the link i provided in the original post, on another comment page, that you are replying to now here.
Instead, 3/4 of the reply has nothing to do with your mithra=Christianity obsession, instead waffling on about NT questions, some which i’ve addressed before, and the paragraph that does is just another version of your usual assertion, which also, like you, fails to provide any specifics or citations.
The link you provided doesn’t work, though just loading www(dot)entheo(dot)org brings up a page full of praise for recreational drug use, but i found the article you quoted from anyway.
https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Pagan-Traditions-and-Elements-Within-Christianity
Sadly, the author manages to include so many inaccuracies and misunderstandings, that it’s hardly worth the time to read it, other than to use it as a guide to “common fallacies regarding Christianity”
Not only does she perpetuate the utterly false idea that Nicea had something to do with the Canon of the New Testament (which i invite you to prove), without referencing any source primary or otherwise, but when she does briefly approach the real subject of the council, she misstates that, too.
To see how little the author understands of the thing she is attempting to explain the deep history and inner mysteries of (Christianity), see here:
“And what about the Holy Trinity? As a child, it never made sense to me that three gods could be equal to one god. I was told it was an abstract concept and I would understand one day when I grew up. Well, I’m an adult and now I see that multiple gods is multiple gods on a very basic level”
Of course, Christians believe no such thing as ‘three gods..equal to one god”, which the briefest reading of even popular level Trinitarian doctrine would lead you to grasp.
Remember this – if anyone EVER tells you that Christians believe that three gods are one god, or that we believe in ‘3 gods’, they are completely ignorant about the subject and/or are trying to deceive you for their own reasons.
Consider it a test you can apply to people to see if they are worth listening to, it might save you some trouble down the years.
And, Ibrahim, why on earth would you offer as support a short article by someone who has no specialist knowledge in this field? She doesn’t claim to, either. Take a look at what she writes about – it’s all fairies, witches, unexceptional short fantasy writing, vampires, goddesses, crystals and atlantis.
Sorry Ibrahim, but this article is so full of error and confusion, that i’m not even going to bother working through most of it. If i thought you would pay attention, and that the amount of time it would take to do something like a half decent reply to it would help you, then i would. But you won’t. If this article is the kind of thing you are basing your ideas on then, seriously, you are going in the wrong direction and show no love for the truth
If you try and learn the ‘facts’ contained in this article you quoted from, i can tell you, without any doubt, that you are actually making yourself more ignorant and deceived.
Nothing against the lady, but she’s no one to be invoking for support on this subject.
gravenimage says
You should not be surprised.
LeftisruiningCanada says
I know, but still, i almost fainted 😉
LeftisruiningCanada says
Regarding the Tarsus – Mithra connection that you mentioned:
http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2011/06/16/mithras-in-tarsus/
And on the comparison of Christ and Mithra:
http://christianthinktank.com/copycat.html
This is well worth working through. The author is famous for his high quality, high detail, research and copious citation from primary and the best secondary sources.
Take this for instance, on the December 25th mithra birthday thing that gets so much attention:
“Aurelian celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (“birthday of Sol Invictus”) on December 25. Whether this festival was celebrated earlier than the third century is unknown. Nor is it certain that December 25 was the birthday of Mithras as well as of Sol Invictus. This has not prevented many scholars from assuming that Mithraic influence upon Christianity was involved in the adoption of this date for Christmas…”
and
“”The equinoxes and solstices must have been especially sacred. This was verified for the spring equinox of 172, the day when the Mithraeum ‘of the Seven Spheres’, at Ostia, was opened to a new community. The vernal equinox marked the anniversary of the sacrifice that had revived the world. Perhaps at the winter solstice (25 December) they celebrated the birth of Mithras emerging from the rock…””
The references are on the link above. The top one is from a work by Edwin Yamauchi, a big name in ancient history and languages.
You’ll see that there is little definite proof that december 25th was a mithra celebration. And, even if it was, it seems that any celebration around this time of year was associated with his emergence as a full grown adult, wearing clothes, from a rock. That isn’t really reminding me of a baby, born of a woman.
And please try to get hold of the idea that, even if 25th december was used by a previous religion, which in itself is not surprising given the celestial event associated with that day, it can’t prove plagiarism if a later tradition uses the same date. It may simply mean that the Christians wanted to reclaim that time of year from paganism. Since we don’t have a commandment to celebrate Christ’s birth on any particular day, and that we don’t believe we are commanded not to celebrate it, there is nothing wrong with doing this.
I think that is the thing muslims find hardest to understand about this.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, forget about 3/4 not on mithraist origin of christianity, the point ï have making the original teachings of jesus had spéculative due to lack of records wrote in his presence and chain of transmission broken on what recorded later,all of Which gave rise to importations of pagan doctrines líke mithraism started by Saul or Paul and concluded at Nicea in 325.
All those who responded to Last comment,
including, have not been able to discredit the authorities i referred to.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes Ibrahim, that’s why we were going to talk about the supposed inclusions of mithraist ideas into Christianity.
It’s easy to claim it and stay on the surface, but i notice how unwilling you are to discuss specifics.
“the original teachings of jesus had spéculative due to lack of records wrote in his presence and chain of transmission broken on what recorded later”
None of which you have any evidence for. If you want to prove that, you’ll be needing to show how specific doctrines were changed.
Also, haven’t you noticed how your standards change between when you talk about the koran, and when you talk about the Bible?
For the koran, you have no problem assuming that allah preserved the text, despite the fact that you have no koranic manuscripts from before Uthman got his hands on them all and burned them. You also have no problem believing that ahadith were preserved, in memory only, for a few hundred years…
Yet, for the NT, which your own koran tells you to go to for guidance, you become a complete materialist, denying any possibility of divine inspiration or protection.
So what if Christ’s closest followers didn’t write anything down for a while (which we don’t know for sure do we)? Not only were they remembering things from a very unique and memorable period in their lives, but, importantly, from the beginning they had all been telling the same story to other people, and carried on doing that for decades.
That’s what we call evangelism – telling other people about Jesus, teaching others what He said and did. It’s not like they spent those 3 years with Jesus and then just went back to their normal lives after He was gone, never to speak about Him again!
Also, and this is where your standards seem to change, they were promised by Jesus that the Holy Spirit would bring all the things He had said and done back to their memory when they needed it.
If Christ’s message was not recorded accurately and preserved, then, by your own standards of a prophet, He failed miserably.
“Which gave rise to importations of pagan doctrines líke mithraism started by Saul or Paul and concluded at Nicea in 325.”
Which you have offered no evidence for. It’s not enough to just quote a few unqualified hobby writers, who cite no original sources, and then claim that you have proved something!
Would you accept statements about the koran written by someone with no training in the subject, and who spends all her time immersed in, and writing about, occult literature?
Please, be serious Ibrahim.
If you want to start being more specific about exactly which ideas you think Paul borrowed from other pagan religions, then you will have to go to his writings and show me where it did it.
If you want to show how the first council of Nicea was somehow the conclusion of the great pagan incorporation, then you will have to look at what primary documents we have about it, and find some evidence.
You have constantly ignored everything i’ve said, backed up with sources, on the subject of this council, and continue to make false claims about it. You seem to have no idea about supporting your statements with actual fact, thinking that merely quoting someone else saying what you said, counts.
“have not been able to discredit the authorities i referred to”
You didn’t refer to any ‘authorities’. You quoted, in a difficult to read fashion, Helen Ellerbe, Freke and Gandy and Nicole Canfield.
You can read some reviews and such about these authors on the following links:
http://www.tektonics.org/af/elbee.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Mysteries#Reception
Why you even bothered sourcing from ‘nicole canfield’ is beyond me, as i found dozens of far more substantial articles on the subject with one search attempt.
If you want to talk about any particular claims any of your sources made, then we can do that. But i’m hardly going to go to the effort of refuting their whole books, am i!
I’m not sure if you are able to focus on anything specific though. It seems as if you much prefer to inhabit the vague realms of generalization and crass assertion, dodging details as if your life depended on it.
I would very much like to be proved wrong about that.
Politicianophobia says
Congrats on your long comment I bra him–wonderful that you are taking so much time out from thighing some sweet, little girl you barbaric freak.
Politicianophobia says
Canada has 11 muslims in parliament thanks to Justine Trudeau–He was probably talking to Joshua Boyle about running in the next election. Amazing how a prime minister can also be a traitor–oh well who cares