Creeping Sharia sums it up:”The sentinelsource.com’s Paul Cuno-Booth calls it a “permitting hiccup.” We call it zoning jihad. It’s a tactic employed by Muslims across the U.S.: Buy a property, build a mosque without getting the proper zoning approvals or permits, deceive your neighbors, then cry Islamophobia when the city – at the behest of citizens – reject the mosque. Then leverage terror-linked CAIR for funding and unlimited legal services. Finally, partner with the DOJ to enforce the sharia on unwanting citizens. Will anything change in 2018?”
Probably not.
Meanwhile, Will Coley is the clown who, a few years ago, was running around lying brazenly, claiming that I had declined his debate challenge. Mr. Coley, anytime you’re ready, I am.
“Despite permitting hiccup, Keene’s first mosque opens for worship,” by Paul Cuno-Booth, Sentinel Source, December 28, 2017 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):
Keene’s first mosque opened to worshippers earlier this month, fulfilling a goal of local Muslims who for years have made do with temporary prayer spaces.
“Here we are today, we have our own place, we conduct our worship and we can praise Allah,” Ahmad Alabbadi, a Walpole resident and active member of the local Muslim community, said in a sermon Dec. 15, during the mosque’s first Friday prayer.
Mixing in an Arabic word, Alabbadi added, “This is all qadar. It’s fate.”…
The Masjid al Latiff and Interfaith Community Center, or MALIC Center, occupies part of a two-story house at 659 Marlboro Road/Route 101 in Keene. The property’s owner — the Shire Free Church: Monadnock — is a self-described interfaith organization whose ministers are local libertarian activists. (The Keene Board of Assessors has denied a different church-owned house tax-exempt status at least twice.)
Last summer, one of those activists, Ian B. Freeman, got to talking about the New Hampshire Muslim community with a Tennessee-based radio host named Will Coley.
Coley, 36, converted to Islam in his 20s and co-founded the religion-inspired libertarian advocacy organization Muslims4Liberty. He said he met Freeman through the Porcupine Freedom Festival, an annual libertarian gathering in Lancaster.
According to the two men, Freeman offered to donate the Shire Free Church-owned house for use as a mosque if Coley, then based in Tennessee, would relocate and become its imam….
The work so far has cost about $25,000, funded by individual donations and by money from the Shire Free Church, Coley said.
Muslims in the Monadnock Region have tried to establish a mosque before. According to Parvez Musani, a former area resident who used to host prayers in his basement, a previous campaign raised about $30,000 — a decent sum, but not enough to purchase property.
The donated building, along with Coley’s efforts, made the crucial difference, Alabbadi said in an interview Wednesday. “It was a generous gift.”…
Coley said the Shire Free Church will transfer ownership of the Marlboro Road house to the MALIC Center within the next few weeks. He plans to apply for tax-exempt status for the property in the spring. And he expects to resolve a permitting issue with the city early next year.
In November, Coley filed an application for a sign permit with the city’s Code Enforcement Department. Plans Examiner Gary Schneider told him he could not process the application, as Coley had not filed for a change of use. The 659 Marlboro Road structure is listed in city records as a single-family home.
Coley said city employees had previously told him the sign permit application was the only required paperwork. Initially, he vowed to put up a sign in defiance of city regulations, citing the First Amendment right to free exercise of religion.
But he later softened his stance — in part, he said, because members of the local Muslim community were wary of confrontation.
Coley said Wednesday that he plans to file the change-of-use paperwork after he wraps up several other projects and finds the time.
Meanwhile, city officials are waiting for more information before moving ahead with a sign permit for 659 Marlboro Road.
“We’re not really sure what’s going on,” W. Rhett Lamb, the city’s planning director, said last week. “Right now we’re treating it as a single-family home. If they’re having a private prayer meeting, that’s fine.”
Despite frustrations with red tape, unexpectedly arduous renovations and New England’s frigid air, Coley said he is happy he made the move.
“Being able to see in the eyes of the local community how happy they were, how moved they were, the unfiltered joy … all that was completely worth it,” he said, “for the looks on their faces the day that we opened.”
mortimer says
Muslims4Liberty ? What is that, if not an oxymoron.
How about Communists4Pluralism? How about Nazis4JewishAffirmativeAction? How about Turks4aFreeIndependentKurdistan?
Will Coley is incoherent as well as absurd.
Eagle Nest says
Notice how the Muslim activities in this country is seldom mentioned!! The general public never hears or sees or hears what is going on in this country. CAIR, Keith Ellison and his brotherhoods are keeping their movement very quiet. http://www.worldviewweekend.com/tube/video/how-muslim-brotherhood-has-compromised-fbi-our-national-security-former-fbi-agent-john “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” ~ Benjamin Franklin ~ So true about this government. Obama infected this country with the enemy of the American constitution and the American people. With God’s help the American people will wake up before it is too late. God bless President Trump
gravenimage says
Mortimer, here is the steaming load of Taqiyya fron this group:
http://www.muslims4liberty.org/
How can they even keep a straight face?
abu salma says
Thank you lord for Hillbilly Will Coley Muslim. I visit mosques all over this great country and I have seen people from all walks of live, from lawyers to plumbers to models all converting to Islam. This foxiness/cbn/right wing anti Islamic propaganda is backfiring !
People come up to me and say, “hey, I heard some bad stuff about Islam on fox..etc.. I just wanted to hear from you your guys side ” <– look at this! Islam's enemies are creating a deep interest in our religion!
oh and this canard about millions of Muslims leaving Islam daily! <– great born again hood winkle! It's a fantasy. No data to support it.
Ok, I need to now rejoice in the Lord Allah how is my God and your God.
Carol R says
Want to find out how great your cult/religion is from your prophets own mouth? Go to:
prophetofdoom.net
It is the Qur’an translated into English. Check it out I dare you!
Ray Jarman says
I defy you to name once that FOXNews has said anything derogatory about the pernicious cult. I have been frustrated many times as they don’t cover the horrific deeds committed by them in places like Pakistan, India and Indonesia; they only mention incidents when mass numbers of people are slaughtered like the two bombings in Kabul. The kidnapping, rape and killing of the mass murderer in Pakistan has not been mentioned nor have the massive rapes in the UK been discussed in any detail.
J D S says
You got that right Jay boo….from what I’ve seen of converts they are mostly the dregs of the earth. Let’s hope that they will infect Islam like cancer and destroy it from the inside out.
Angus66 says
“Thank you lord for Hillbilly Will Coley Muslim. I visit mosques all over this great country and I have seen people from all walks of live, from lawyers to plumbers to models all converting to Islam. This foxiness/cbn/right wing anti Islamic propaganda is backfiring !
People come up to me and say, “hey, I heard some bad stuff about Islam on fox..etc.. I just wanted to hear from you your guys side ” <– look at this! Islam's enemies are creating a deep interest in our religion!
oh and this canard about millions of Muslims leaving Islam daily! <– great born again hood winkle! It's a fantasy. No data to support it.
Ok, I need to now rejoice in the Lord Allah how is my God and your God.
"
Did you think up those ridiculous lies all by yourself or did CAIR write it for you?
Keith Clark says
Fools.
The Muslims are commanded by their satanic Book to Kill all Infidels. That’s YOU. This is no Religion. It is a cult of death inspired by Lucifer based on Rape and Murder. Tear this down before it starts consuming your children. Just look at the book this death cult is based on. Remember 9/11. What else do you need to know about such evil Savages.
abu salma says
hehehe.. Islam is spreading and you are burning in your hate… I’m lovin it!
Carol R says
Islam is a sick cult created in the 7th century by a rapist, murderer, slave trader and pedophile. Not someone to follow. He forced people to follow him because if given a free choice they wouldn’t. For more information go to:
prophetofdoom.net
Linde Barrera says
There is a big difference between a group gathered in a residential home for worship (which would include praying, readings from a source book, sermon, singing, dancing, giving offerings) and having a noise blast at 5 am of instrumental music and singing that not only “wakes up” the neighborhood but sets people on edge.
In my neighborhood in Brooklyn the community board gave permission for a mosque to be built on a busy corner but did not give permission for 5 am or late night prayer calls due to laws against noise pollution. Thank the Triune God! So far there has been no building activity and the permission was given more than 3 years ago. Truthfully I hope this “little neighborhood mosque” never gets built.? In my opinion, Allah=Satan the devil.
Kate says
https://youtu.be/wOdDYS8PNPw Islamic Call to Prayer in Brooklyn N.Y.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Oh no. That evil sound has no place in the West. It should NEVER be allowed here. It’s the sound of slowly rolling take over….
gravenimage says
Yes–this supremacist call for evil does not belong in the civilized West at *any* time of the day or night.
Karen says
“If they’re having a private prayer meeting, that’s fine.”
Private services ARE fine. But the sign isn’t. And 100 cars parked in the neighborhood won’t be, if it comes to that in the future.
Coley is setting a bad example, and not acting as a good law-abiding citizen. American law isn’t a smorgasbord to pick and choose from, and his Sharia supremacist viewpoint should be challenged.
I suspect he will continue to be ‘strapped for time’ and will delay the permit process as long as possible.
utis says
There are sensible reasons for zoning rules and permit requirements. As you point out, unexpected large traffic and parked car clutter (let’s not mention the occasional neighborhood kid or old person run over) really impede residential living.
I’ve read before about Muslim Community/Cultural Centers raising havoc for the locals. I hope the locals keep fighting for their right to peace and safety.
Karen says
Yes, I hope so, as well.
elee says
Hey New Hampshire, LIVE FREE OR DIE. Or be slaves of Allah.
Karen says
Excellent…
Jinn and Tonic says
IMHO, no churches, temples, or mosques should be tax exempt. Looks like this piece of crap property should be demolished. It is apparently zoned commercial. Parking is very limited, the lot is only .28 acres, not that you could squeeze too many misguided pedophile worshippers in 1200 sq ft anyway.
MFritz says
They just don’t care. Victim status trumps everything, as does “The Word of Allah”. And more (worse) is to come for sure!
Terry Gain says
Muslims obey the laws of Allah. Mere man made laws do not apply to Muslims.
gravenimage says
That’s how they see it, We should disabuse them of that notion at every opportunity.
Terry Gain says
“No religion condones killing” – Barack Obama.
Since Islam not only condones killing but mandates it, Islam is not a religion. Sing it loud. Sing it clear.
Linda says
Good point. How many religions also have political and military components tacked onto them? There’s only one that I know of, and it is Islam.
Wellington says
Terry Gain: For First Amendment purposes here in America, as currently interpreted by the Supreme Court, Islam is indeed a religion. A religion for First Amendment purposes can have all kinds of vile stuff in it (another example being Satanism) and still be a protected belief system. What is not necessarily protected is acting upon certain religious beliefs.
I remember a Supreme Court case from years ago, perhaps Frank Anderson who is an attorney like myself and who has already commented on this thread might recall its name, wherein the SC ruled that a certain tribe of American Indians who practiced their native religion and which religion mandated that they take a certain hallucinogenic drug (I think it was mescaline or something similar to mescaline), which was banned under federal law, were not permitted to take the drug just because it was an article of belief of their religion that they do so. In short, belief is sacrosanct, action is not.
A Satanist (and there would be a very confused human being for you) might require a human sacrifice once a year or so at a Satanic ritual, but, sorry, that is not protected by the First Amendment freedom of religion provision. Ditto for all kinds of vile stuff in Islam, like death for apostasy, smacking women around (per Sura 4:34) and death or severe bodily harm for any criticism of Mo’s creed. As for any political totalitarian elements in Islam, and they are certainly to be found in the Islamic theological blueprint, these too are protected beliefs but that does not mean that acting upon them are. Belief v. action is the key in understanding the First Amendment provisions of freedom of religion and freedom of speech (respecting the latter, you can be a KKK member who openly says he does not like black people and that they are inferior to white people, but you can’t place a burning cross on a black person’s lawn and invoke First Amendment protection).
WPM says
Hopefully they can get them stopped with fire codes ,not enough exits ,over crowding rooms, blocked exits, non fire proof old wood structure private dwelling are not made safely to hold services for over 50 people. Not enough off street parking ,noise violations ,narrow streets that do not permit heavy traffic that services bring in. If they want to build a Mosque ,build it in an area that has the zoning for it ,if someone wanted to build a church it would have to meet zoning code also. If the building was donated to them to be used as a Mosque they are free to sell it and put that money for use to build a Mosque in an area that has zoning for it. Coley and his Moslem cohorts are just interested in the in your face Islam of harassing non-believers. The same how in face they block public streets laying their rugs onto the streets in France on Fridays to howl at the moon God causing traffic jams, special pray rooms at work .Not touching pork products if they work in supermarkets harassing woman that are unveiled on public streets. Supremacist are only interested in ruling over others in all life,s daily interaction big and small that is why they {the supremacist} never invent or produce anything they spend all their time ruling in being a general pain in the ass. They are like spoiled children the local authorities keep giving everything they want they always want more. Just obey the law of the land is too high of an order for the “best of people” my ass.
Daniel R says
” If they want to build a Mosque ,build it in an area that has the zoning for it…” Correction: If they want to build a mosque, build it in Baghdad, build it in Aleppo, build it in Beirut, build it in Benghazi. There’s plenty of places in the world for those satanic followers of mohammed the pedophile to build their stinking mosques. The Western world should be rid of the muslim plague.
Frank Anderson says
A potential legal theory for neighbors who object to the mosque.
Bar rules-As a retired lawyer I have a duty to alert non-lawyers to their legal rights and duties, and then immediately ask them to contact their own lawyer, whom I urge them to hire and pay to establish for certain a confidential relationship. Free legal advice has risks. Also, please consult attorney(s) who has/have specific knowledge and experience in this kind of case, and avoid lawyers who do not practice regularly in this area of civil rights and real property issues. Be ready to talk with more than 1 lawyer.
The United States Supreme Court case of Del Webb Development v. Lone Star Industries was so important my first year of law school, 1977, that it was included in Constitutional Law, Real Property, Torts, Contracts and Civil Procedure. That is extremely unusual and marks this even now as an important case for a number of reasons.
Lone Star Industries had a 30,000 cow feed lot on its property “way out in the country” and had been there for years. Del Webb Development bought the adjoining property and proceeded to build houses. The cows produced hundreds of tons of waste every day with attendant odor, and “billions and billions” (homage to Carl Sagan) of flies, and other “benefits” that really made life tough in the residential subdivision when the wind blew in the right direction. I believe Del Webb sued Lone Star claiming the tort of “nuisance”, which is essentially doing something on Lone Star land that interferes with ordinary and reasonable activities on Del Webb land, wanting to force Lone Star to shut down. To reach the Supreme Court this case had to be tried in District Court and appealed to a Circuit Court, or tried in state court and appealed to the state supreme court, possibly several times. All those details are interesting but are not necessary for now.
The Supreme Court ruled, in a case that controls every court in the US, that Del Webb “came to the nuisance.” . Ordinary condemnation involves one party, for example a government for a road or a utility for a power line or pipe line, to take away and pay for land that belongs to another. Inverse condemnation is when the landowner (Lone Star) forces the opposing party (Del Webb) to take and pay for the land that Lone Star can no longer use because Del Webb has come to interfere with the previous owner.
I’m not sure that loss or impairment of residential property value would apply here as a claim under the Del Webb case. I think it does, as Lone Star could no long obtain “full value” by using its property. If the homeowners conducted any kind of protest campaign, such as riots or demonstrations, they would probably destroy any claim they might otherwise have by the mosque officials and attorneys arguing the homeowners caused their own damages by their protests. But if they conducted themselves carefully and lawfully at all times and showed their property had either lost value or the marketability was reduced or destroyed, there could be a claim for damages.
It could happen that members of the mosque would love to buy the houses in the neighborhood at prices higher than were obtained before the mosque. If they are not buying, the mosque, and, possibly, any responsible person in control of the mosque (under the theory of “piercing the corporate veil) could wind up paying not only for the surrounding property but also relocation costs and other items.
I think the question is worth asking for better informed competent legal advice. If this case were successful, neighbors would have to move if they are paid. But a win for the neighbors would put a whole new light on “zoning jihad”.
Wellington says
Fine summary, Frank Anderson, of what is legally possible in this case and other cases similar to it.
Muzzies are so sneaky and in so many ways. I particularly resent how they function in free nations while in Muslim-majority nations they deny freedom to non-Muslims and, in fact, even to themselves in areas like free speech. Parasites and confused people, all of them. Yes, if you are a Muslim you are a parasite and a confused human being, particularly so if you are living in a (still) free country which, of course, Islam would love to turn into a non-free country. Can’t get much more parasitical and confused than this.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, any credit belongs to my professors. I did at least attend and pay attention, 40 years ago!.
Stinkhorn says
I think Australia has a similar (legal) principle called the “Agent of Change”. Here in England, we’ve introduced similar under planning law – coming soon via NPPF.
It essentially stops newcomers through new build to an area with a pre-existing use (e.g. church bells, music venues) from complaining / whining about said pre-existing noise.
A new source of noise introduced into an area would probably be covered by existing statutory nuisance laws.
Wellington says
Per Muslimthink, not only is war deceit but so is prayer. Indeed, Islam has deceit written all over it.
Despicable religion.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
It has exposed the level of persecutions muslims are now facing with Trumpism in place, denying them the right to practice their religion openly, they have to do It in secret. I watched a video clip virel on YouTube where muslims were being beatened by kicking from the back while praying. One rogue was even trying to have sex with a muslim lady while praying. such assaults on Muslims while praying have been happening all over the United states with coming of savage mad devil Trump. It is the same scenario of persecutions muslims suffered at the hands of pagan meccans before many were ordered by the holy prophet muhammad to migrate to Ethiopia and finally prophet muhammad himself was forced to migrate to madina for the safety of muslims.
so, Muslims in the in United states are forced to practice their religion secretly,and even with that they are being spied upon . It is in such circumstances that sharia allows muslims to hide their identity ,which some ignorant idiots interpreted to mean that muslims are allowed to lie.
Wellington says
Oh stop it, Ibrahim. Muslims have come by the millions to Western nations where they have been free to practice their religion, preach their religion to others, build their houses of worship in huge numbers, etc. but try doing any of this in a Muslim nation if one is, say, a Christian. The hypocrisy and double standard of Islam are rank and your boo-hooing how terrible it is here in America is just a straight out lie.
Muslims across America attend mosques without any backlash from anyone. Just because a particular group of Muslims are denied a zoning permit to build a mosque hardly constitutes repression of religion, something Islam is “superb” at going on some 1400 years now. You convince no one who really knows the state of things and what Islam is really all about. Truly, if there are a bigger bunch of self-pitying hypocrites than Muslims, especially those in Western nations, I don’t know of such a group.
As for some non-Muslim man, as you claim, trying to have sex with a Muslim woman, even were this true this would constitute an isolated instance as opposed to the raping of non-Muslim women actually permitted by Islam and found condoned in the Koran in Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70 and as practiced by Muslim men over the centuries even to this day. You know, “captives of the right hand” and all that pernicious rubbish. Islam is rot and so are your “arguments.”
Xero_G says
Spot on, Wellington!
gravenimage says
Good post, Wellington.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Another fine post showing us all the terrible damage a life of islam does to a human brain.
Thanks Ibrahim, very little us non muslims say or do is better at disgracing islam, than muslims themselves.
gravenimage says
True–he just further exposes the ugliness of Islam here.
Champ says
Practicing islam is *worse* than abusing a mind-altering drug as demonstrated by the imbecile …
Wow his mindset is beyond warped. Not only does practicing islam cause brain damage, but it robs a person of their soul, too. What a heartless, soulless creature he is. Sad, but true.
gravenimage says
The vile Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
It has exposed the level of persecutions muslims are now facing with Trumpism in place, denying them the right to practice their religion openly, they have to do It in secret.
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What a load of claptrap. Anyone trying to set up a place of worship–for any faith–that violated zoning ordinances like this would run into trouble.
More:
I watched a video clip virel on YouTube where muslims were being beatened by kicking from the back while praying. One rogue was even trying to have sex with a muslim lady while praying. such assaults on Muslims while praying have been happening all over the United states with coming of savage mad devil Trump.
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Ibrahim itace muhammed has made the claim about Infidels giving praying Muslims a kick in the backside before–and has never backed it up. If this YouTube video is “virel”, then it should not be difficult for him to produce–but he won’t of course, because it does not exist.
And the idea that Infidels are raping praying Muslims is even worse calumny. This is nothing but projection from this pious Mohammedan who has affirmed that Muslims can rape Kuffar women and keep them as sex slaves in Jihad.
Even more ridiculous is his claim that this is “happening all over the United states”. Again, this dishonest Mohammedan needs to back up his claims with proof–which he cannot do.
More:
It is the same scenario of persecutions muslims suffered at the hands of pagan meccans before many were ordered by the holy prophet muhammad to migrate to Ethiopia and finally prophet muhammad himself was forced to migrate to madina for the safety of muslims.
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What a lot of hooey. Not only are Muslims not being persecuted here, they are flooding into the West to conquer us. More grotesque projection.
More:
so, Muslims in the in United states are forced to practice their religion secretly,and even with that they are being spied upon . It is in such circumstances that sharia allows muslims to hide their identity ,which some ignorant idiots interpreted to mean that muslims are allowed to lie.
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The idea that Muslims in the West have to practice their religion in secret is absurd. In fact, in many places they are taking over streets for mass public prayers.
Unless, of course, Ibrahim itace muhammed means their plotting violent Jihad, which is indeed illegal here. He has inveighed against Infidels outlawing Muslims raping and murdering us, because this is an intrinisic part of their practicing their faith.
As for the last, this is just grimly hilarious, since Ibrahim itace muhammed is himself lying like a rug in this post.
Ann Marie says
Knock it off…Everything you said is a lie, which is fine in Islam.. Real religions that preach love and caring consider lying against the basic tenets and beliefs. But in Islam it’s permissible if it advances the cause.
Islam is a 7th Century culture which has never advanced. There is a religious aspect to it, but the rest of it speaks of conquest, murder and intimidation. That’s why it’s the number one religion in prisons. Islam validates all the crimes they have committed: murder, rape, child abuse, lying, and on and on. But this is okay in islam, since the founder, the one who they consider ‘the ideal man’, mohammed has done all those crimes.
Your 7th century culture doesn’t belong here. Maybe 20 years ago your whining might have worked, but no longer. Too many innocent people have died by your hands. We’re wise to you.
If you and your ilk are so damn unhappy here, leave… There are 57 muslim majority countries in the world, leave! But we both know that it’s not your intention to live ‘peacefully’ in a muslim country. Your intention is to change any country in which you enter. The jihad force is the ‘army’ and the so-called ‘moderates’ are to change a country from within. Schools, eating habits, the laws; all the while screaming ‘Islamophobia!
And if all the different sects hate each other and want to wipe each other out, fine, but do it someplace else.. That’s a fight that is islam’s alone… Don’t bring us into it.
Well, many of us are wise and we’re not going to let you and your 7th century culture intimidate us any longer.
May I be very succinct in my last sentence: Get the HELL out of my country!
dumbledoresasrmy says
If you don’t like it in America… LEAVE. You are free to go.
No-one’s going to stop you. America is not like North Korea.
The gate opens *both* ways. Door’s open. You are perfectly free to *leave*. Go back to the dar al Islam, to the ruin and desolation that your vile cult has already wreaked in the parts of the earth that it has *already* laid waste.
P*ss off. GET LOST! VAMOOSE!
Seaside says
Islam’s politics are detrimental to western civilization. Islam’s faux religion is nothing but a brainwashing mechanism that controls muslims’ lives from birth to death. Islam’s leaders’ and imams’ intent is an ultimate world-caliphate which is well on its way in western Europe. Trump needs to control the muslims that are living in the USA. 7th century islam will never be reformed because then it would lose control over its followers. Muslims in western countries need to be watched carefully especially mosques at all times. USA, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia…the leaders of these countries understand that 7th century islam and its followers are dangerous and will never assimilate into western cultures…hence control with borders and make muslims lives uncomfortable by not allowing mosques to be built in the hopes of them going back to their 7th century countries.
WPM says
I was not giving free legal advice ,I do not know the zoning codes or fire codes of the town. I am sure there are lawyers and business people of the area who are knowledgeable in the laws could look into the matter. It would be in the people living there to look for good local legal advice. Advice I am sure their are good local real estate lawyers and real estate people who have a vested interest on the outcome . There was a similar case in Northern New Jersey{I think Chimney Rock} that the Mosque builders won because they said they invested too much money and time into the project saying the local protest hurt them financially .It had to do with narrow roads in the area, water run off ,no sewers in the area and not meeting zoning. Because the builders stuck to the story money lost fighting public protest they won in local court and had not only the Mosque can be built the town had to pay the lawyers fee and damages over the public protest .As far as the people living their winning if they are force to move? When the legal battle starts[it could be a long one} the value of houses around the building that” could be” a Mosque in the near future will fall. Anyone trying to sell will have trouble. people will not buy a house were the future of the area is questionable. Would you buy a house if you though in the near future it could over crowded with cars, dawn prayers screaming over loud speakers. Who will decide what is paid for houses that already have fallen 30 to 40 percent because of the rumor of a Mosque if the Mosque builders have to pay the present home owners? The case you brought up had to do with an industrial farm that operated for years in compliance with the zoning there. The houses were the built after the fact knowing the farm and all that went with it was already there. Could be a good real estate ruse start a rumor about a Mosque going up send in straw buyers when the price of house drops to buy up as much as you can. Then when you are ready say the people wanting to build change their mind. Make a lot of money selling off the houses as the prices rise. Or after all the people sold at devalued price {to your straw buyers} change the zoning and sell all to the Mosque builders. Might be illegal ,but I am sure it has been done before?
Frank Anderson says
WPM, I assume, hopefully correctly that you are referring to the post that appears immediately above my dissertation on Del Webb v. Lone Star. I do not know whether you are a lawyer or any immediate information about you. My post was entirely disconnected and unrelated to yours. You have every right even as a non-lawyer to raise questions, speculate on possibilities and voice your thoughts and opinions. You could well hit upon something that other people do not know, may miss or have forgotten. If you are not a lawyer, and are not pretending to be or claiming to be a lawyer you do not have the duties of a lawyer.
I am a lawyer. I have licenses in 2 states on retired status. That means I do not have to pay dues, do not have to pay for licenses, do not have to do CLE seminars, but still am bound by the rules just as if I am practicing. By following the rules I can resume practice anytime because I am in good standing but retired just by paying my dues and obtaining a local business license. We almost certainly agree on many or possibly most subjects in great detail. The people who are harmed by another effort in the conquest need to have some ideas on how to resist. Your duty and mine or entirely different. It would be a good deed (mitzvah) if we can help.
WPM says
Thank you I meant no offense I respect your opinions and knowledge .
Frank Anderson says
WPM, I took no offense with you and certainly intended none to you. We are good. It just happened that my long winded dissertation showed up after your thoughts
I have a lifetime of experience where people consult lawyers who either do not have a clue to the subjects they undertake to advise for a price, or the lawyers are suspended or disbarred and continue practicing by advising when the rules prohibit any legal activity at all. I also recognize that some people out of being cheap do not want to pay for advice and in a rush to save money can talk to a lawyer who will get information he should not have because of a conflict of interest, he already works for the opposing side, or stands ready, willing and able to betray the cheap person’s trust. By HIRING and PAYING for a lawyer’s time and advice the lawyer makes a commitment on which he can lose his license 1) that he does not have a conflict of interest, 2) that he will not use information the client gives him against the client in the future, and 3) that he will provide competent, fully informed advice on the client’s questions. Anything short of that could cost him his license..
A lawyer’s license is a voucher by the supreme court of at least 1 state as to his “character, competence and fitness”. I happen to have fought for and earned 2. I have kept 1 since 1980 and the other since 1981. It has not been easy.
We are at peace.
Ray Jarman says
If I lived in a community that succumbed to pressure from this cult, I would organize every citizen to purchase a miniature pig as a pet or maybe have a vote to change the zoning code to permit the raising of pigs being protected by German shepherds or Doberman pincher. If that failed, I would definitely purchase the biggest loud barking dog I could afford and walk many time in front of the mosque and dare one of the two legged incest loving morons to attempt to prevent me from exercising my rights.
abu taleb says
In Indonesia which is campaigned as a tolerant and democratic Islamic country, thousands of churches have been attacked by the muslims because those churches have no permit, that is what the muslims say.
Some churches have applied for the permit for years or even decades, but never get one.
There are no democratic and tolerant muslims, those who are tolerant actually do not know the real Islamic teaching, or are deceiving the non muslims.
gravenimage says
+1
truthteller says
Cities and towns need to put in noise ordinance now to stop the shrieking “call to prayer” any time of the day. Grandfather in the church bells already in place.
Frank Anderson says
Truth. . ., I think a “grandfather” would be an issue to support a challenge of the ordinance. “What is good for 1 should be good for all” in a religiously neutral Constitution. Whether bells or whining, sick people need to sleep when they can and not according to some schedule.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Hear where you’re coming from, but why should an invasive ideology like islam cause us to lose our own cultural flavors?
It’s this misplaced ‘equality’ that enables muslims to challenge and crowd out the things that make us..us.
Wellington says
Islam is indeed an invasive ideology, but the problem, you see, is that here in the West it is nowhere near being described as an invasive (and horribly destructive) ideology. And Western law, whether in Canada, America, the UK, Sweden, The Netherlands, et al., is in a very vulnerable position because, under the laws and constitutions of these Western lands, Islam is just another religion.
But it is not, as I know you know, LIC. But, still under Western law, which Islam will certainly destroy if only given the chance, it is, as I just mentioned, “merely” just another religion. See the problem? I know you do but the real question of our time is what do you do with an ideology, whether spiritual or secular, which seeks the destruction of Western freedom all the while very successfully posing as something good?
Yes, you can permit such an ideology to function freely in the West IF, and this is a very big IF, you know it is rotten to the core and very publicly describe it as such (examples being Nazism ad Marxism which still draw confused adherents but which function on the margins of Western society, a semi-exception being Marxism which is still alive and well in the most foolish places in Western society today, i.e., at Western universities and colleges), but Islam still passes under the common sense radar screen and thus it still gets a pass. Herein lies the crux of the problem. Not that Islam should be banned but rather that it should be properly understood.
Not there yet. To say the least. Damn.
Frank Anderson says
Left. . ., is public neighborhood ringing of bells worth millions of dollars in legal fees and expenses and decades of litigation that can lose in the end worth the price? It is so hard now to find quiet in one’s home, and to make sound in one’s home that does not disturb neighbors who have every right to expect quiet in their own. Possibly a little crude, but nonetheless from my treasured Uncle and Father-by-Choice #2, “Just like a lightning bug-Thinks he’s setting the world on fire but all he’s doing is showing his _ _ _.” Under the Constitution I think if a community permits one kind of noise it must permit others unless there is some really distinguishing governmental purpose, example emergency sirens, to allow the noise from one and not the other. Otherwise hungry lawyers will take the case on the possibility they will win and collect fees under 42 United States Code Section 1988(?) from the city and neighbors who complain. We said decades ago, “Don’t feed the bears (police)” by speeding when the limit dropped to 55. It could be now said, “Don’t feed the snakes” who look for every opportunity to abuse the legal system and subvert our freedom. If you don’t feed them they will starve and find something else to do.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You both make fine points, and rarely do otherwise.
This makes me think of some of those small French villages i’ve had the good fortune to have been able to live in for periods of time. They have had a church bell signaling the time forever, and no one would want it to stop, least of all me.
If a mosque were to open in such a place, sadly a thing not too unlikely anymore, the idea that the gentle bell sounds that have been a part of the place for several lifetimes would have to be done away with, or be kept only if the damned adhan also gets to be endured, seems so very very wrong.
In France im sure the legal situation would be different, but surely this same situation is applicable here too?
“is public neighborhood ringing of bells worth millions of dollars in legal fees”
If that is the only way to keep our own heritage without permitting a foreign battle cry to sounds in the streets, i guess so.
Because that’s what the adhan is. The muslims know it, and some of us know it too. They love hearing it echoing through our western towns and cities, and they swell a little more confident and domineering every time it plays.
I would be happy to spend public funds on this, instead of giving them to returning jihadis who had their backsides spanked in a US prison.
Thank you both for your considered replies with someone who doesn’t really understand 🙂
steve says
Sounds like the Medina ”Dairy” that was really a ”Mosque” outside the Queens Windsor palace in 2010….
Infidel says
Both Islam and the Left thrive on Chaos… Actually, they create the chaos to orchestrate mayhem and mass murder in any society they step into with false promises that they are solution to the chaos when they take over. And IRONICALLY, there will be MORE CHAOS AND TERROR when they finally take over.. This is their history ALL OVER THE WORLD. Someone prove me wrong and I promise, I will never post a word against Islam and the Left in my life again.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You’re wrong because……reasons, and, because the Left and islam totally aren’t based on violent revolutionary principles.
Infidel says
Is not Islam based on the principle of Jehaad against infidels?? That is the clarion principle of Islam as far as I’m concerned and for the LEFT it is class struggle which is an euphemism for orchestration for ideology fuelled violence.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Oh yes, please don’t misunderstand, i agree with your points there.
my post above was a bad attempt at irony 🙂
gravenimage says
New Hampshire: Despite having no permits, mosque opens in single-family home
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Yup–“Zoning Jihad” indeed. Why should any supremacist Muslims have to adhere to Infidel laws?
Academe47 says
” Will Coley is about as fringe as they come. He is the wingnut used to fasten the other wingnuts in place.”
( Nicholas Pierce, Huffington Post, 6 December 2017 )
brenrod says
In the end we will have to elect a tyranny because that tyranny will be the only one willing to save us from these tyrants. The real enemy is our so called american left and these fake libertarians in this article who are funded by muslim front groups to aid them in destroying our nation.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You might just be right about that.
DejaVu Again says
I know Will Coley from his humble days in Orlando, FL. Will fancies himself a Fiqh scholar and may have even taken a few classes on the subject matter.
I was at a UCF MSA event and they invited Jamal Badawi as a panel member. I remember Will Coley trying to ask intelligent questions to Jamal Badawi while describing himself as a student of Fiqh. Coley wanted Jamal Badawi to notice him so badly it was embarrassing to watch such a public display of man crush.
It is moments like these that define the character of the soul of Will Coley.
There was hushed giggling from the MSA students and community members who knew Will Coley.
Troybeam says
Open a Mosque without permits, people this is an outright dare to have society openly fight to have it removed then the courts will intervene and state that the Mosque can stay, repeat over in another town, repeat, repeat repeat…..etc.
Frank Anderson says
I believe you understand their plan correctly. Now, what do you think should be done? And what are you willing to do to help it happen? As long as it is all up to someone else, it will probably never start, much less finish. With all courtesy and respect intended.
Politicianophobia says
My old, dead, buddy, Sayyid Qutb said “ Muslims need not rationalize Islam to them, need not appease their desires and distorted concepts. We will be extremely outspoken with them“. I can not help but wonder why the Imams and the muslim Brotherhood are allowed to call for Shariah law in the USA and Canada, are they not calling for overthrowing the government, is that not sedition or treason. If tomorrow morning, I stand on a soap box and call for the destruction of Canadian law, will I not be arrested. I noticed a section in the Canadian, criminal code regarding native people in Canada. Is there a section somewhere in the book I may have overlooked, regarding muslims, sure seems that way.
Politicianophobia says
Kudos to all the BRAVE Canadians who protested today in Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton, Regina and all the other cities against the evil government we have in Canada. Did you see any of the protests on CBC or CTV. The government has moved up the closing committee date on M-103, from April to March, 21rst. Call, write or email any Liberal or NDP MP, THEY ALL SUPPORTED m-103 or members of the M-103 committee, tell others what it is and what it will mean to Canadians and complain to them for supporting the blasphemy law, introduced by Liberal, muslim, MP, Iqra Khalid. STAND UP FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.