It may be that al-Sisi is practicing steam control, as did Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak before him. Despite his affirmations of support for the Christian community, he may be allowing this escalating Muslim persecution as a way to placate the pro-Muslim Brotherhood elements within Egypt, and keep them from turning against his regime.
Meanwhile, Christian leaders in the West largely remain silent about this ongoing persecution, so as not to harm the “dialogue” they’re enjoying with Muslim leaders that has thus far not prevented one Christian from being persecuted or one church from being attacked.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Christians in Egypt face unprecedented persecution, report says,” by Harriet Sherwood, Guardian, January 10, 2018 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):
Christians in Egypt are facing unprecedented levels of persecution, with attacks on churches and the kidnap of girls by Islamist extremists intent on forcing them to marry Muslims, a report says.
In the past year, Egypt has moved up an annual league table of persecution of Christians compiled by the charity Open Doors. According to its World Watch List, North Korea is still the most dangerous country in the world in which to be a Christian, and Nepal has had the biggest increase in persecution.
But Egypt, home to the largest Christian community in the Middle East, is of particular worry. Officially about 10% of the 95 million population are Christian, although many believe the figure is significantly higher.
The overwhelming majority are Orthodox, with up to 1 million evangelical Christians and 250,000 Catholics. Orthodox Christians celebrated Christmas on Sunday amid tight security, days after at least 11 were killed in attacks. The president, Abdel Fatah al-Sisi, attended midnight mass at a new cathedral 30 miles (45km) east of the capital as tens of thousands of armed soldiers patrolled streets around churches all over Egypt.
According to Open Doors, 128 Christians were killed in Egypt for their faith and more than 200 were driven out of their homes in 2017. It attributed the rise in persecution to “the overspill of Islamic terrorists driven out of Iraq and Syria”.
Last Easter, two church bombings killed 49 people, and another 29 were killed when extremists attacked people travelling to a monastery in May. More than 15 girls in Minya governorate were kidnapped in 2017 to be forced to marry Muslims and convert to Islam, Open Doors said.
“Michael Jones”, a Cairo-based businessman and evangelical Christian, told the Guardian there was a gulf between statements from the national leadership regarding the Christian community and actions at a local level.
“You hear the president speaking about Christians with a lot of respect and sympathy. Just a few days ago, he made a beautiful, emotional speech when inaugurating our new cathedral. It looked like an amazing affirmation that the state is supporting the church and the Christian community, and doing everything it can to guarantee our welfare,” said Jones, who asked for his real name not to be used.
“Then you have have the local authorities in villages and towns – police, judges, business owners – and it’s evident that many of them are infected with a rejection of Christianity. You see this in daily practices – not usually violence, but discrimination.”
Jones said Christians were overlooked for jobs or promotion, university students were given bad grades or failed, schoolchildren were made to sit at the back of the class, shop owners were boycotted and hospital patients were not given proper treatment.
“There is only a minority of violent extremists, but the culture in Egypt cherishes the perception that Christians are infidels,” he said….
abu salma says
it seems that both Muslims and Christians are persecuting each other, Christian persecution of Muslims:
– Muslim ban
– Muslim free zones
– mosque burnings across the country
– Christians fighting mosque permits.
that is not to take into consideration the unsuccessful attempts to persecute Muslims in USA.
StellaSaidSo says
What nonsense. And hypocrisy.
‘Christian persecution of Muslims’? Where, exactly?
Most Muslim countries are not included in what you refer to as ‘Muslim ban’. Those which are on the list are known sources of terrorism. A ban is therefore entirely appropriate, and in the interests of ALL Americans.
What ‘Muslim free zones’? I know of no such thing. There are however, NO GO zones in every Western country, where no non-Muslim is safe.
The number of Church burnings vastly exceeds the number of mosque burnings. Destruction of the places of worship of other religions has been a Muslim practice for 1400 years.
Citizens are entitled to object to permits for mosques as they are to any building. How many Christian churches are there in Saudi Arabia?
In terms of ‘persecution’ in USA (and elsewhere in the West), Muslims are the perpetrators far more often than they are the victims. The main persecutors of Muslims are other Muslims.
abu salma says
i dont agree with you, the problem is that christians FAIL to presecute muslims for example – greet wilders has a “de-islamification” program, in which he will ban the quran and close mosques, .. many christians support him. HOwever he FAILED.
more Christian terrorism/persecution:
– christians support Bashar Assad
– christians support terrorist organization hezbollah
– Russian orthodox church declared Syria to be Christian JIhad, many Chirstian mercenaries fight along side of Assad committing horrible attrocities.
In USA, CHristians support Muslim ban and try to prevent mosques from being built. But, because of the constitution, muslims are protected from christian persecution.
Christians are NOT more peaceful than muslms.
Terry Gain says
Abu
You are a liar. The NT forbids killing. The Koran mandates it. Christ killed no one. Mohammed killed thousands, including poets and those that would not submit to his invented religion.
There are dozens of Muslim terrorist organizations. Name one Christian organization that engages in or advocates terrorism
StellaSaidSo says
Abu Salma
I note that you have not addressed any of my points made in response to your earlier post. I will assume that this is because you can’t. No surprises there. We understand how difficult it is for you, handicapped as you are by the brain virus of Islam.
Anyone who is prepared to ban the vile Koran and close the hate-preaching mosques has my full support. Islam has no place in civilised society. It brings chaos and grief wherever it goes.
The right to freedom of religion does not include the right to build a mosque on every street corner. In civilised societies, other people have rights too. Difficult for you to understand, given that your vile book tells you that only Islam has rights, but do try to get your head around it.
And, in case you hadn’t noticed, it isn’t Christians who are blowing up children at concerts, stabbing people in the street, and driving cars into Christmas shoppers. Such attacks happen almost daily, and the perpetrators are always Muslims. There are no Christian churches or Christian organisations which promote the slaughter of people of other faiths. So I think we can conclude that Christians are far more peaceful than Muslims.
If you want to be taken seriously in this forum, you are going to have to lift your game, lad.
mortimer says
Stella, Muslims DO NOT DEBATE! They ‘raid’, like Mohammed. Muslims run in swiftly to humiliate and inflict pain on their unsuspecting opposition and then run away as quickly, rather than stand and fight. Muslims usually get defeated whenever they stand and fight.
THE RAID, rather than the set piece battle is normative Islam.
I have not found a Muslim who can withstand sustained intellectual rigor. They normally take a few shots and then go silent when FACTS AND LOGIC tear their specious claims to shreds.
Islam cannot be defended morally, historically, factually or logically, so Muslims hit and run or use ad hominem slurs to demean the speaker. None of that constitutes real debate.
StellaSaidSo says
LOL, I am still waiting to encounter a Muslim who had the slightest idea of how to debate. Logic and evidence mean nothing, as you too have observed. It’s a miracle that some of them don’t walk on all fours, they’re so thick. But they’re fun to smack around, and one lives in hope that maybe something that somebody says here will shake them out of their stupor. One of the reasons for the low IQ amongst Muslims (apart from 1400 years of inbreeding) is the fact that the smart ones leave the gene pool. I never met a stupid ex-Muslim.
Lydia Church says
Yes, they ARE more peaceful, by 100%.
But that is why we want to keep them out!
Just look at all the churches they are terrorizing in the middle east?!
We don’t want this here, and that is why!
Do you have ANY IQ?
Lydia Church says
Meaning the Christians are more peaceful, and that is why we want to keep out the non-peaceful muslims.
Save Europe says
Geert (by the way), though he is ‘Greet’, in my opinion, is merely fed up with the pandering and appeasement by various Western nations to your bellicose religion. He, quite rightly, sees Islam as a threat – wherever it goes, it devours everything! Judging by the way your co-religionists breed at an astronomic rate, non Muslims in the West should be concerned! I’ve yet to see a ‘not in my name march’, after a Muslim terrorist attack in the West. All I ever hear is – ‘islamaphobia may increase…..the terrorists weren’t real Muslims…’
gravenimage says
“abu salma” wrote:
more Christian terrorism/persecution:
– christians support Bashar Assad
……………………….
While Bashar Assad oppresses Christians–as do all Muslims in power–he does not commit full-on genocide against them, as his opponents have (see ISIS).
“abu salma” is hence claiming that if Christians do not want to be violently wiped out by Muslims that they are “persecuting” them. *Ugh*.
The idea that Geert Wilders–not “greet wilders” wants to ban the Qur’an is a canard. He has said that if laws banning hate are to stand, that they should apply to the Qur’an, as well, given the amount of hate for unbelievers in it. Can “abu salma” deny that this is so?
And most ludicrous of all is the claim that it is Christians who are waging violent Jihad. Just absurd.
Terry Gain says
A Muslim ban is not persecution. It is civilization self defence. Go back to your Islamic Hell-Hole.
abu salma says
you are funny! you redefine religious persecution to suite your agenda 🙂
Terry Gain says
Stating that your false prophet is a false prophet is not persecution. You are a typical Muslim. You demand submission. I will not submit to your false diety, your false prophet or your barbaric totalitarian ideology.
StellaSaidSo says
No, it is you who is redefining persecution, to include anything you don’t like. Someone disagreeing with you is not ‘persecution’. Being told NO is not ‘persecution’. If you can’t accept that, maybe you don’t belong in a civilised society.
mortimer says
abu salma … A ban on Islam is not ‘PERSECUTION’. A ban on Islam is like a ban on SATANIC HUMAN SACRIFICES or AZTEC HUMAN SACRIFICES.
If Muslims wish to RAPE KAFIRS, ROB KAFIRS and CRUCIFY APOSTATES in Muslim countries, the world can do little, but defending HUMAN RIGHTS is not ‘persecution’ of Islam.
Islam is a Bronze-Age Death Cult, Rape Cult and Supremacist Cult. Modernity criticizes those backward ideas as uncivilized.
abu salma, you lose.
Lydia Church says
Uh, no, that is what YOU are doing!
Save Europe says
Abu? You’re not Salma Hayek’s dad are you?!
Champ says
abu wrote:
“you are funny! you redefine religious persecution to suite your agenda”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BACK ATCHA’ !!!
boakai ngombu says
” … you redefine religious persecution to suite your agenda. ”
there are a number of JW folks here who would say: It is not our agenda, but that of the Savior and Lord, Jesus. and in keeping with that agenda, some might ask of the Lord that you be brought to confusion and disorientation for the sake of your soul (which right now, is damned to everlasting existence without knowledge of God.)
that said, abu, do take care or your mother and show her compassion and care, and; honor your father, but consider he might be misleading you. afterall, it seems he follows the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers).
mike9a says
You, are not even funny. What a miserable mind set. I want more JW posters like this! Let’s have it written so the world can see how brainwashed/malfunctioning mos are.
StellaSaidSo says
We already have the JW Gold Medallist for complete batshit-crazy in old Ibrahim Ignoramus Mohammed. But Abu could qualify if he continues his present pitiful form.
abu salma says
StellaSaidSo – I accept your challenge to a debate/discussion. I was to busy to respond here on the post. I recommend that we do a skype/zoom meeting discussion for 45 minutes. here is my email to contact me: na19711990@gmail.com
Lydia Church says
Abu, citing facts is not persecution.
You either don’t watch the news, or you never read the koran.
If you do, you will see it already that you lose.
Scoreboard
JW: 100 Ibrahim and Abu: 0
Game Over.
Save Europe says
He’s certainly in Silver medal position at the moment !
gravenimage says
No one here should take up “abuy salma” on his “offer”. He is likely fishing for personal information. Do not give your personal information to a supporter of Jihad–it is not safe.
gravenimage says
“abu salma”
Andy says
To: Ibrahim and Abu
The Great Debate
All Islam Is Radical Islam. Here’s Why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo
Andy says
More Homework to study over the weekend for Ibrahim and Abu
ISLAM Religion of Peace or NOT Explained January 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=5Jpu4eFlaOQ
Angus66 says
“it seems that both Muslims and Christians are persecuting each other, Christian persecution of Muslims:
– Muslim ban
– Muslim free zones
– mosque burnings across the country
– Christians fighting mosque permits.
that is not to take into consideration the unsuccessful attempts to persecute Muslims in USA.”
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“mosque burnings across the country”
“muslim free zones”
Really?
You must be joking…
…or get all your news from ISIS and/or Hamas.
Muslims – for reasons that I’ll never understand – are all but WORSHIPPED in Western countries, even though they bring little but violence and intolerance of anyone or anything that isn’t Islamic.
There’s a BIG difference between this widespread “persecution” lie and actual reality.
Jay says
Which planet are you living on abu salma?
Nothing like that happens in Australia, the government wont even ban the niqab/burka for crying out loud.
I could even argue there has persecution of Christians (especially the bible believing ones) in Australia.
Lydia Church says
Right, it is the Christians, not the muslims who are being persecuted, and that worldwide.
You just need to open up at least one eyeball, watch the news, read the koran, or all of the above to get even one clue of the many millions that occur on a daily widespread basis.
Andy says
Imam converts after reading about JESUS IN THE QUORAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI24GM28QLs
Andy says
We can all come together Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and all people thru:
Jesus Christ
This Iranian Jew begged Jesus to heal his son. “I can’t keep quiet anymore.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efl7EpwmYUs
Lydia Church says
When you get saved by coming to Jesus as the one and only way of salvation, then yes, and then you become part of His church. But otherwise, not spiritually speaking.
Lydia Church says
And it’s not ‘all the same God.’
The God of the Bible, and the Jesus of the Bible, is the one and only true God (Trinity).
All the other gods and ‘holy’ books contradict the Bible, proving that it is not the same ‘god.’ And God is not the author of confusion. In the end times the ‘one world religion’ will rise up, blending all the religions into one under satan, except for true Christianity; which could never join with the others which are false. The God of the Bible says now we must come under the New Covenant, and unless you are IN CHRIST, you are still lost. (Of course I don’t refer to babies, the unborn, small children, etc., that is another matter.)
Lydia Church says
Ah, but just think… WHY don’t they want all these things?
Because they don’t have a death wish.
They see the persecution of Christians by muslims in the Middle East.
It does not take a brain surgeon to make the connections.
christianblood says
abu salma
Do you really think US and the West care the persecution of Christian in Egypt or elsewhere in the islamic world? US and Nato actually openly back islamic jihadists that are mass-murdering Christians in Libya, in Egypt, in Syria and in the Balkans, where they openly sided with islamic jihadists, bombed Christian Serbs and created two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in Eastern Europe. Thank God, in Syria, US and Nato’s evil plans to destroy the secular government in Syria and replace it with their jihadist proxies who would then mass-murder Christians was thwarted by Russia and Iran. Please watch and read how Christians in Damascus were able to celebrate Christmas last week, free from US-backed jihadist threats. Actually, I suggest (Jihadwatch) to post this very telling story below. Please watch the video and read the story about Syrian Christians and how they celebrated Christmas last week:
http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-returns-christmas-syria-christians-worship-safe-islamist-terror/ri22136
gravenimage says
Of course, it was the United States that had a great deal to with pushing ISIS back.
But “Christianblood” would much rather pretend that it is America that created Jihad. Meanwhile, he applauds the horrors of Shari’ah in Iran, claiming that Anti-Jihadists only object to this barbarism because it is a brave twitting of the values of the United States.
Karen says
Do you really equate someone in the US objecting to the building of a Saudi funded mega wahabbi mosque to the extermination of Christians in Egypt? How do you feel about the extermination of religious minorities in Pakistan? Are you proud that the Syrian Muslims in the UN refugee camps have made life so dangerous for Christian Syrians that they’ve had no choice but to flee the camps give up the chance to come to the US as refugees?
gravenimage says
+1
Save Europe says
Muslim ban where? If you’re referring to the Trump travel ban, if it had been a Muslim ban then Indonesia, Kuwait, Azerbaijan, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Jordan – to name just a VERY few would have been banned as well!
Muslim free zones? By that you mean areas of the West where Muslims haven’t chosen to reside. They prefer their own enclaves where non Muslims aren’t welcome, in their own countries.
Mosque burnings? Where? The only acts of barbarism are – murdering a French Priest in his own church in France; stone throwing at worshippers leaving churches in the South of France; launching fireworks at Cologne Cathedral; desecration of Jssus statues in some churches in Italy and Germany.
But YES you are right on the last point. Most people are fed up with the immodesty of Islam. It cannot behave with subtlety. We are fed up with so many mosques here there and everywhere.
Btw – statistically Christians are the most persecuted Religionists in the World! Guess who by!!!!
Stop playing the victim card!
Champ says
Btw – statistically Christians are the most persecuted Religionists in the World! Guess who by!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Precisely!!
Save Europe says
I’m with you Champ ? In the interim, Abu Salma just cannot acknowledge the violence his religion causes.
Save Europe says
+1
gravenimage says
*Spot on*, Eur.
gravenimage says
The dishonest abu salma wrote:
it seems that both Muslims and Christians are persecuting each other, Christian persecution of Muslims:
– Muslim ban
…………………………..
In the US there is a proposal from the president to bar immigration from some nations that are notorious state sponsors of terror. Surely you are not saying that all Muslim nations sponsor Jihad terrorism?
Also, far from being widespread, this policy has not gone into effect yet.
More:
– Muslim free zones
…………………………..
Where has there been a proposal for “Muslim free zones” *anywhere* in the West? This is nothing but projection, since there are burgeoning Muslim “No Go Zones” all over Europe where native Infidels are not safe–including police, firefighters, and ambulance crews.
More:
– mosque burnings across the country
…………………………..
What country would that be?
More:
– Christians fighting mosque permits.
…………………………..
Notice how abu salma lumps that in with the above? Here he is demanding that Christians and other Infidels welcome Mosques that preach their subjugation and murder. If you take issue with this, you are a bad, bad dhimmi…
More:
that is not to take into consideration the unsuccessful attempts to persecute Muslims in USA.
…………………………..
And what might those be?
As pious Muslims would have it, they do not have freedom to practice their creed unless they can oppress, rape, and murder Infidels.
“abu salma” means “father of peace” in Arabic. That does not seem to apply…
It is also the name of a “Palestinian” poet who wrote bloody poetry about destroying civilized Israel.
Champ says
The snake oil salesman “abu” wrote:
it seems that both Muslims and Christians are persecuting each other, Christian persecution of Muslims:
– Muslim ban
– Muslim free zones
– mosque burnings across the country
– Christians fighting mosque permits.
that is not to take into consideration the unsuccessful attempts to persecute Muslims in USA.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“abu salma” would have us believe that Christians being murdered in cold blood and girls being kidnapped and forced to marry muslim men is akin to the things he’s listed–wow this goes beyond the pale!
With the exception of the third item on his list, all the things he has listed are a proper response to MUSLIM PERSECUTION AND ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACKS–making these steps necessary to protect others. So three of the items on his list should not even be classified as “persecution”, at all. This is a ridiculous lie. Shame on him, since *real* persecution is the topic here.
And if it’s true that “mosques are being burned across the country”, then I would bet that *other* muslims are committing these crimes against their own–not unless “abu” has solid proof to the contrary.
gravenimage says
+1
Whoknew says
Islam, by it’s actions is clearly not a religion of peace. While there are ‘good or bad people’ in any group, as a movement, Islam is violent and it is setting up training camps in North America to train Muslims to attack. Islam persecutes Yazdi’s, Hidu’s, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, other types of Islam, throughout the world..Common knowledge, yet Islam wonders why anybody has a problem with this. Islam addresses adulteresses, but not adulterers..This isn’t justice. This is brutal conquest.
Champ says
Cheers, Eur!!
MSW says
What a load of bollocks.
elee says
Given all the atrocities through all the centuries……”Unprecedented” is quite a tall order.
mortimer says
EGYPT’S HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES COME FROM THE TOP
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/egypt
Security Force Abuses
Officers of the National Security Agency routinely tortured and forcibly disappeared suspects with few consequences. Many of the detainees who suffered these abuses were accused of sympathy with or membership in the Muslim Brotherhood, which the government named a terrorist group in 2013 but has remained the country’s largest opposition movement.
Between August 2015 and August 2016, the Egyptian Commission for Rights and Freedoms, an independent group, documented 912 victims of enforced disappearance, 52 of whom had not reappeared by the time the group issued its report.
National Security officers routinely tortured suspects during these enforced disappearances. Between January and October 2016, 433 detainees claimed that police or prison officers mistreated or tortured them while they were in custody, according to a count by the Nadeem Center for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Violence and Torture based on media reports, lawyers’ statements, criminal complaints, and other sources. In one case documented by Human Rights Watch, National Security officers in Alexandria forcibly disappeared and tortured 20 people, including eight children, in connection with a protest and an alleged arson attack on a garage and a traffic police vehicle.
Incidents of abuse by police officers, including fatal incidents of torture and illegal killings at protests, rarely resulted in accountability. Of the hundreds of such cases recorded in media reports and by activist groups since July 2013, when the military ousted Former President Mohamed Morsy, only 10 had gone through trial as of October 2016, resulting in six guilty verdicts against police officers.
Many convicted officers have appealed initial verdicts and won acquittals or shorter sentences. In February, Egypt’s highest appeals court ordered a retrial for an officer originally sentenced to 15 years for shooting and killing political activist Shaimaa al-Sabbagh at a peaceful protest in January 2015, an incident that was photographed and videotaped. In October, the same court ordered a retrial for two officers who received five-year sentences for torturing lawyer Karim Hamdy to death in a police station in 2015.
read more…
abu salma says
StellaSaidSo and Mortimer – I accept your challenge to a debate/discussion. I was to busy to respond here on the post. I recommend that we do a skype/zoom meeting discussion for 45 minutes. here is my email to contact me: na19711990@gmail.com
StellaSaidSo says
LOL, are you afraid to debate publicly, on this forum?
Judging by your performance so far, you should be.
Lydia Church says
Just what I was going to say.
I know their tactics, they try to ambush and bombard.
No reason why it can’t be done orderly, point by point, links to news facts, and publicly as we are already doing now. What is there to fear? They don’t want to have public open dialogue and debate like on JW, but they want it the other way….. hmmm……
Terry Gain says
Abu
It’s been 31/2 hours since I asked you to Name one Christian organization that engages in or advocates terrorism.
Terry Gain says
Abu
It’s now 61/2 hours. Have you been too busy servicing your 4 wives or dreaming about your 72 virgins. Or have you been assembling a bomb?
gravenimage says
Notice that “abu salma” has said *nothing* against the persecution of Christians in Egypt. Does he think no one has noticed this?
But what *could* he say? There is nothing more Islamic than abusing Infidels.
Emilie Green says
“. . . so as not to harm the “dialogue” they’re enjoying with Muslim leaders that has thus far not prevented one Christian from being persecuted”
“Paging Bishop McManus, paging Bishop McManus”
“I just saw him. He’s over there in the hotel’s lounge”
Voytek Gagalka says
Unlike Nasser, al-Sisi has developed visible prayer’s bump on his forehead, clear symbol of Islamic piety and devotion. We better start to open our eyes and notice it and stop our “collective illusion” that he desires anything but the only reform allowed under Islam: return to Mohammed.
Walter Sieruk says
Just for the sake of interest and information a Christian man, whose name of ,William Wagner , composed a book which is entitled HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD and on page 155 he informs the reader that “Several years ago one Imam told me that prior to 1990 , the greatest enemy to Islam was Communism bur now it is Christian missions.” Further on page 208 when writing about Muslim he wrote “They have failed to stop Christian missions .They see Christian missions as their number one enemy.” On the very next , page this author reveals that “Christianity remains the number one buffer against Islam ,a fact recognized by those who seek a worldwide ummah.” *
Ummah –The community of all those who affirm Islam
Guy Forester says
Al Sisi does not want to end up with a case of lead poisoning like Sadat.
CRUSADER says
Thomas Jefferson:
“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who don’t.”
Lydia Church says
Where is the outcry!!!
Where, oh where… is the call for an ‘international day of recognition’ for all the martyred and persecuted Christians by the world leaders? Why not? Are there too many? So they pick the one muslim victim that some crazy went after and shot?
Lydia Church says
All must choose between the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light.
You can’t have both.
Regarding that public debate out in the open… why is it that I only hear crickets chirping now???
Matthieu Baudin says
I’m getting tired of making excuses for Sisi. On the other hand I’ve got no idea of how widespread fanaticism has become in today’s Egypt. The removal of the Brotherhood was a good thing but one has to ask what is there to show for it in terms of basic human rights to life and limb?
Karen says
I was initially very excited by Mr. Sisi, but agree, his tenure is a disappointment.
gravenimage says
It would probably be even worse under the Muslim Brotherhood–but that’s not saying much.
gravenimage says
New report says Christians in Egypt face unprecedented persecution from Muslims
It may be that al-Sisi is practicing steam control, as did Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak before him. Despite his affirmations of support for the Christian community, he may be allowing this escalating Muslim persecution as a way to placate the pro-Muslim Brotherhood elements within Egypt, and keep them from turning against his regime.
…………………..
Attaturk did the same thing when he allowed the Armenian Genocide to continue under his watch. It was no longer an official government policy, but little was done to stop the murderous Muslim population
CRUSADER says
Egypt has a huge population, has limited resources other than their mainstays, and probably will be out of oil sooner than later, and thankfully has had a long tradition of strong man rule.
gravenimage says
Yes–but this strong man is doing little to protect Christians.
Pong says
Christian leaders in Egypt joined their moslem brothers in condemnation of President Trump decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
It seems Egyptian christians deserve what they are getting from moslem. I have no sympathy for them.
StellaSaidSo says
Nobody ‘deserves what they are getting’ from Muslim savages. Not even people who ‘have no sympathy for them’.
gravenimage says
Dhimmis in Muslim lands *have to* kowtow to Muslims if they want to survive. That’s what dhimmitude is.
The truly sickening thing is when Infidels who are not under threat do the same.
Champ says
It seems Egyptian christians deserve what they are getting from moslem. I have no sympathy for them.
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Duly noted. But we weren’t expecting any “sympathy” from you.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Pong – the good muslim who thinks people should be attacked and killed if they don’t agree with him about where a building is put in a foreign country.
Beautiful standards he has learned from his demon inspired idol mohammad.
docfreddy says
always left with one question after reading or hearing about these horrific attacks and abuses of Christians by Muslims… so to my evangelical Christian friends… Where is your all-powerful, all-merciful Biblical God and/or Jesus to serve and protect you before and during these attacks? Either they are powerless or feel indifferent to help you, or they don’t actually exist. Why pray to them or worship them at all? Why cry out for their help and protection? If everything is unfolding according to God’s indomitable Divine Will then isn’t all this suffering you and your families endure at the hands of these 21st century barbarians meant to be a part of HIS Cosmic Plan? Ponder this deeply and never blindly, mindlessly, flippantly, and heartlessly answer “well… i guess the Lord acts in mysterious ways.” That is an empty, vacuous non-answer.
WPM says
Good people have been killed and suffer seen the being of time .It is why the people not being kill and have their culture wipe out should speak up and condemned that actions of supremacist idolatries that commit these atrocities .Islam has been on the march for 1400 years in this quest to rule the world under its supremacist iron fist. Anytime a Christian ,Jew, Hindu just tries to worship and pray the Islamics go into a mad fit why ?Are the Christians praying for violence and natural disasters against their enemies ,that we Christians can take the women of our enemies to be woman of the right hand for us? Do Jewish Rabbis go up in front of their congregation and preach they will kill the unbelievers were every they find them? Do Hindus preach that Jews and Christians are descendants of apes and pigs? They are going into a mad fit because their god {Allah} is a violent greedy god ,who they believe is their master they are its god,s slaves .For the small man in the street with little power if simple praying hurts his enemy so much their must be something maybe truth in it.80 years ago we had a madman who did his best to kill off all the Jews in Europe the world was did very little till his violence reached their own homes. We should publicly condemn Islam,s violent nature expose it , if praying for your enemy and worshiping in your church sends him into fits their must be some truth in those prays he might see the logic of your God .I do not know Gods plan I am a small simple man who has a limit life on this earth before I die like all men if this a” empty,vacuous non-answer” then why worry about anyone else but me ? I should live life for the moment ,why should I care about any else suffering but my own ? Who cares what the Islamics are doing in Europe or the next town over I got mine and will be dead in the next 25 years before it reaches me!
gravenimage says
docfreddy, humans have free will, to do good or to do evil.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Docfreddy, how do you know that God didn’t help many out of danger but you just didn’t hear about it?
If you had bothered to get to grips with the Christianity you are so gleefully condemning, you would know about Christ’s words on the matter of martyrdom, and be familiar with the Biblical concept of persecution.
Prabh108 says
The destruction of Hellenic Greece and Ancient Egypt by ‘desert creeds’ is revealed by Hare Krsna Acharya in his important book entitled The Dharma Manifesto published by Arktos Press.
Islam too will be departing the Earth at the appointed hour. (three to five centuries approximately if my source is correct- this is a long war…)
It is said if Man walked on moon, Islam is dead – did man set foot on actual Moon (Chandra Deva celestial body in night sky) – we might be witnessing death throes of MohaMadanism.
Dharm(a) Yudh is eternal war between righteousness and unrighteousness.
Hinduism is here to stay. By dint of thought power Sages connected with Paramatman-Bhagwan-GenuineGod created Earth. By dint of thought we can defeat jihadists and friends of jihadists.
Thanks for this site Dr. Robert Spencer. I refer to you as Dr. Spencer because I wish for you to receive honorary doctorate from Nalanda University, finally reopened again. Dr. Spencer is true humanitarian. Moslems claim Hinduism is concocted by British. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sanatan(a) Dharm(a) is Eternal. Sun represents atman. Moon represents Mind. Cow represents Mother. Second species created after Man is Mother Cow. Milk is foundation of Ahimsa. “Milk is liquid religion” states one ISKCONite.
All thinking persons must reject jihadism and friends of jihadists. Dharmic Ethnostates within Empires of Divine Light urgently needed. Socialism is mostly parasitic and creates unjust wars of looting. Shun leftist thinking.
Smash Red-Green Stalinist-Islamist alliance that is ruining everyday life for our families. Meditation is good – so too is critical thinking for the sake of protecting freedom, in the absence of which friendship is impossible.
Excuse any and all errors.
Leaarning islam says
a lot of love in Christianity, a lot of anger and hate in Islam. Christian pray for others, muslims pray for themselves. “religion of war” full of “venomous misogyny
• Coran has 114 chapters 6666 word. Jesus mentioned 25 times and mohammed 4 times
• Hate appears towards unbeliever 296 times,
• (kill unbeliever 180 times,
• Muslims are the “best of peoples” (3:110)
• slaughtering people – and their neighbors and entire community – over just a rumor is mainstream Islam.
• 51% (548,190 words) of the Trilogy text (koran, hadith,sira), most of it slanders against non-Muslims
• 20% of quran is loving and peaceful towards allah and muslim brother.
• Not a single verse peaceful and be nice towards muslim sister
• the 14 Koran verses that say Muslims not be friends of dirty kafirs
• 154 – 164 verses of curses , jihad and war and killings -31% of the Islamic Trilogy (327,547 words) concerned with jihad-warfare
that’s 80% plus of that obnoxious rag being useless
Hardly a day goes by without an Islamic terror attack somewhere in the world.
Without the threat of ‘violence ‘Islam has nothing to back it up.The alternative to violence surely is ‘love’which Christianity has in abundance.Therefore Islam will become redundant and shrivel away..Just when is the penny going to drop for Muslims.?
Blatant lies: Islam has NOTHING to do with terror
What terror? Oh…THAT terror!
a small but representative sample of the Qur’an’s violence and hate
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
the Hadith Book 12 has 1700 verses about Jihad alone.
Many imams say, it’s un-Islamic to “love” the DIRTY KUFAAR??? Muslims who do not show hostility towards the kufaar will not be admitted to Islamic paradise.
ronyvo says
Mr. Spencer, YES the Copts (Christians of Egypt) are way way more than 10%. They are about 25%. If you conduct a research by collecting data from the different bishoprics’ via certificates of birth, baptism, deaths, marriage which is the normal record keeping in our churches, you would get to that figure.
One of the reasons Muslims burn churches is to burn those records. Of course, extreme hate is the main reason for their ugly crimes against the very peaceful Christians.
Andy says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFA6op8C8vU