So now a concern to protect people from being murdered in jihad attacks is “demeaning” to the “human dignity” of Muslim migrants. The Pope is throwing the Catholic Church all in with the idea that if you’re against open borders globalist internationalism and the Islamization of Europe, you must be a racist, bigoted “Islamophobe.”
Are there security risks? Yes. All of the jihadis who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees. Is it racism and xenophobia to recall that in February 2015, the Islamic State boasted it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 refugees? Or that the Lebanese Education Minister said in September 2015 that there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country?
Meanwhile, 80% of migrants who have come to Europe claiming to be fleeing the war in Syria aren’t really from Syria at all. So why are they claiming to be Syrian and streaming into Europe, and now the U.S. as well? An Islamic State operative gave the answer when he boasted in September 2015, shortly after the migrant influx began, that among the flood of refugees, 4,000 Islamic State jihadis had already entered Europe. He explained their purpose: “It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world, and we will have it soon, inshallah.” These Muslims were going to Europe in the service of that caliphate: “They are going like refugees,” he said, but they were going with the plan of sowing blood and mayhem on European streets. As he told this to journalists, he smiled and said, “Just wait.”
On May 10, 2016, Patrick Calvar, the head of France’s DGSI internal intelligence agency, said that the Islamic State was using migrant routes through the Balkans to get jihadis into Europe.
But concern about all that and much more is “demeaning.”
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Pope Francis: Opponents of Mass Migration Sow ‘Violence, Racial Discrimination and Xenophobia,’” by Thomas D. Williams, Breitbart, January 1, 2018:
In his new message for the World Day of Peace, Pope Francis has denounced those who question the wisdom of mass migration, accusing them of demagoguery and promoting xenophobia.
Those who decry “the risks posed to national security or the high cost of welcoming new arrivals,” are guilty of “demeaning the human dignity due to all as sons and daughters of God,” Francis said in the New Year’s message.
To resort to such “rhetoric,” the Pope continued, people “are sowing violence, racial discrimination and xenophobia, which are matters of great concern for all those concerned for the safety of every human being.”
The Catholic Church celebrates the World Day of Peace each year on New Year’s day, when it also commemorates the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God. In his annual message for the Day of Peace, the Pope opted once again to underscore the plight of migrants and refugees, as he has on several occasions recently.
Migrants are men and women, children and elderly people, “who are searching for somewhere to live in peace,” Francis said, and in order to find that peace, “they are willing to risk their lives on a journey that is often long and perilous, to endure hardships and suffering, and to encounter fences and walls built to keep them far from their goal.”
“In a spirit of compassion, let us embrace all those fleeing from war and hunger, or forced by discrimination, persecution, poverty and environmental degradation to leave their homelands,” he said.
The Pope also outlined his theory regarding the causes of the mass migration that is affecting Europe and other parts of the world.
People migrate principally because they desire a better life, and often in an effort “to leave behind the ‘hopelessness’ of an unpromising future,” the Pope said. There has also been “a tragic rise in the number of migrants seeking to flee from the growing poverty caused by environmental degradation,” he added.
The Pope also gingerly addressed the thorny topic of illegal immigration, suggesting it was out of the ordinary and motivated by extreme circumstances.
While most people emigrate legally, “through regular channels,” Francis said, some “take different routes, mainly out of desperation, when their own countries offer neither safety nor opportunity, and every legal pathway appears impractical, blocked or too slow.”
The Pope did not say how he thought nations should deal with illegal immigrants, but he did suggest that mass migration itself may be a net benefit for nations.
While some consider global migration to be a “threat,” Francis said, “I ask you to view it with confidence as an opportunity to build peace.”…
nicu says
I always thought he is a Catholic , a Christian !
He doesn’t care about Christians at all — he only speaks for Muzzies !
WTF ? Nostradamus was right : Rome will be the capital of the caliphate !
mortimer says
Theologically, the pope doesn’t understand ISLAMIC theology. Everything he said about “the human dignity” of the “sons and daughters of God” is BLASPHEMY to a Muslims.
The reason Muslims commit terrorist acts is because they DISAGREE with the pope’s view of “the human dignity” of the “sons and daughters of God”.
K. 2.216 “WARFARE (q-t-l) is ORDAINED for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye HATE a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is BAD for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.”
(Note: q-t-l means ‘fight to the death’)
jan sobieski says
Another verse from the koran the muslims don’t like to hear from the infidels. Knowledgeable infidels are a threat to islam.
Scryehard says
I can’t remember which verse it is (though if you want, I can find out), but I believe that verse was abrogated. Not completely, but something along the lines of “not ALL Muslims have to go to war.”
firefly says
if I remember rightly, ‘Not All Muslims’ ..refers to the old and the infirm..ie they are not required to fight against the Infidels ! But all the able bodied men ‘must’ join the fight !
BC says
In my opinion all the RC hierarchy are both stupid and corrupt. To get to be cardinal or a pope you have to lie to people all your life, they live in a bubble completely out of touch with reality.
Ever thought about why the Popes ride in bullet proof cars? Think about it for one or two minutes and you know he has no faith in his ‘god’ either.
Christians are getting murdered every day in Islamic countries yet he thinks he and the Mullahs are on the same page!
Kepha says
The Pope’s bulletproof “poopemobile” dates from after Mehmet Ali Agca tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II. Before that, Pope’s went around in open cars.
gravenimage says
BC, Pope Benedict was pretty savvy about Islam, and told the truth.
As for the bullet proof car, the last time a pontiff was harmed is was when Pope John Paul II was shot by a Muslim.
Popes are not bullet-proof. Believing in and having faith in God does not mean that you should have to welcome being murdered.
Bindon Blood says
The point is that only by accepting salvation through Christ can humanity be reconciled to God and become sons and daughters of God. We are all God’s creation ,but to become a son of daughter of God we must become joint heirs to the Kingdom through Jesus Christ.
Fred Kafer says
That is absolutely correct!!
Auntie Podes says
Hey – it’s the pope’s job to do the pontificating – not yours!
Yours is just to pay for absolution and swell his overflowing coffers.
Carol says
I doubt Jesus himself planned or COULD PLAN being a “barrier” to God. Organized religion wants to be the necessary “middle man” and this is almost as unbecoming and obvious as Islamic power-seeking.
I prefer to think the gnostic texts got it right by ending His sentence “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light….” with this addition:
“..and no man cometh to the Father except by Me, OR when thou thinkest as I now think.” In this way Jesus is the light in the darkness – he is not a hurdle or test.
Shane says
No, this Pope understands Islam; he is a servant of Satan and a pedophile. I hope that this Pope will soon be living in a small cell at Gitmo! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRjIvhmV4AApAf8.jpg Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption. Issued on 12/21/17 https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/ The #12DaysOfMAGA
gravenimage says
I am no fan of this pope, but what leads you believe that he is a pedophile?
MTMLA says
Should start with Odumbo and his Muslim adoring Mafia..
JTLiuzza says
It’s worse than that. He doesn’t understand the CATHOLIC theology. We are not all “sons and daughters of God.”
From John 1, which is referred to as the final gospel and used to be read at the end of every Mass before the modernists butchered it all: “[12] But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.”
Becoming a son or daughter of God requires baptism and Jesus Christ, whom the muslims reject. But despite that being the truth, it doesn’t fit well with Bergoglio’s “all dogs go to heaven” error so he simply ignores it. I don’t know how anyone can continue to pretend that this guy is Catholic.
Lydia Church says
“demean “the human dignity” of the “sons and daughters of God””?
That is what the muslims are doing to the rest of the world!!!
That is why we are decrying the security risk of allowing them into anywhere!
If he gets any dumber, his IQ will reach into the negative number range!
Save Europe says
His IQ is already on parity with an atypical Pakistani whose IQ has been lowered due to constant consanguinity by forebears.
MTMLA says
Why doesnt he walk in a no go zone preaching his love for these beasts. How long will his head stay connected to his fat body?
Save Europe says
Pope Franny is a Globalist Marxist. He should not be interfering in geo-politics, yet he cannot stop himself from doing so.
Lesley Ward says
This man is a moron, a traitor to the Christians he is supposed to represent!
But then he is a member of the Coudenhove-Kalergi clan that has a globalist agenda that plans to flood Europe and the world with black races and muslims to ultimately eliminate the “white races”.
Do your research!
John Magee says
Well said.
Save Europe says
Thanks. Don’t need to research it. Heard about it years ago. Cheers anyway!
Susan says
Yep. The Pope is just another protector of the Islamic Death Cult and protecting it from Christians and Catholics? What a disturbing Pope! Seriously disturbing to anyone not a Muslim ‘refugee.’
Let’s hope this Pope is not succeeded by another brainless Infidel!
p bay says
This parasite works for soros.
J D S says
Looks like this pope, if he continues on the same path, will go into history as the pope who threw the Catholic church “under the bus”.
lewis williams says
Concentrate on the problems of the Church, diminishing numbers of the faithful, closings of Churches and schools , shortages of clergy. Stop delving in politics and guide the Church. Lewis Williams
MTMLA says
I read there is a very powerful gay club in the vatican that got worse with Bergoglio , and his “Who am to judge?”.statement.
IQ al Rassooli says
Pope Francis has been for all his term so far more concerned with the plight of MUSLIMS than those of Christians. Not once did he mention the mass slaughter of Coptic Christians on Easter Sunday by Muslims BUT he was more upset about the butchery of Shia Muslims in Syria by Sunni Muslims
Under Francis’s watch more Christians have been Murdered Raped Terrorised Plundered and Dispossessed than under any pope in recent history and Francis has been DEAFENINGLY quiet all these years so that he would NOT offend Muslims!
Even more disturbing are his assertions to his followers of 1.2 billions that he could not “find any aggressive verses” in Muhammad’s Quran when any fair minded and decent human being with two brain cells of logic will find at least 100 of them
What is even more beneath contempt is the fact that the absolute majority of his cardinals, bishops etc are also SILENT. How Francis and his prelates can sleep at night is beyond my comprehension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTuFA1fQ-yg&feature=youtu.be&a
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
http://www.alrassooli.com
mortimer says
Good point from IQ: how can the RCC clergy sleep if they do not speak out and correct this off-base pope?
I think the pope is trying in a typical Marxist way to control the narrative and those who are well-informed on the subject of Islam have a tough time fighting the simple-mindedness of unread and unstudied ‘instant experts’ who have no knowledge of Islam’s source texts or canonical commentaries.
The pope knows possibly 1% of what there is to know about Islam and the 1% he thinks he knows is like the story of the blind men who each described the elephant from the different parts they touched: the ear, the trunk, the belly or the leg.
gravenimage says
And much of the “plight” of Muslims is either self-inflicted or else is stuff like having to suffer Infidels taking issue with their raping and murdering Kuffar and thus “demeaning” them…
Jayell says
So why are these ‘poor muslims’ having to go onto someone else’s territory to ‘find peace’? Can’t they create it on their own patch? Or can’t they find some uninhabited/sparsely inhabited piece of land and create it there? Are they actually capable of creating ANYTHING worthwhile? And why should we in Europe look upon the arrival of these specimens as an ‘opportunity to build peace’? We don’t need to do that in Europe because we’ve already done that. And even if we hadn’t, it wouldn’t make any sense enlisting the help of this lot, who are ostensibly running away from a mess they’ve been involved with on their own patch. Or is Pope Francis saying that we have a duty to build peace in these people’s homelands? But that’s not our responsibility and might be interpreted as some kind of European imperialism or interference in the affairs of other sovereign states that wicked Europeans are being admonished for all the time these days. Does Pope Francis have the first clue what he is talking about?
gravenimage says
Good questions.
And most of these Muslims are not refugees, in any case, but military-aged invaders.
Carol says
Sensible questions Jayell. Guilt-peddling seems to be the Pope’s premise and sleight of hand. But even though Catholics have pretty well mastered that art no one is much impressed by his sanctimonious foolishness.
Patti Pickerd says
NO!!! Why on earth don’t all responsible catholic’s get together & demand that he be removed from the papal position after all he is NOT God, he has NOT fulfilled his duties therefore he must be removed.
Anyone else notice how very friendly he was with that ?head Obama? That piece of ?should NEVER have been allowed inside the Vatican City. He had already declared that “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”. nuff said huh?” That Holy city belongs to all Christians of all denominations except for one! The Islamic faith!!!
Time for a new pope!!! A pope who will stand for all of Christian’s & THEIR values,Jesus’ values not a human man who is somewhat queer in his actions. I sure wouldn’t like to be him when he face God on Judgement Day! Would any of you? Wonder how many of the Cardinal’s have said & thought the very same thing.
Call for his recall asap!
Jf says
Many of those he seeks to protect are actually the sons and daughters of Satan.
gravenimage says
Sure, Muslims are the sons and daughters of God–who have chosen to follow a vicious creed that sacralizes the oppression and brutalization of unbelievers.
The Remorseless Headsman says
The man is a subversive idiot. Nothing more, nothing less. Any Catholic who heeds his nonsense deserves their fate (which won’t be pretty, look at the thousands already butchered in the name of their demon “god”).
mortimer says
IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!
Al Walaa wal Baraa is the OFFICIAL DOCTRINE of Islamic apartheid according to which Muslims must feel and show hostility towards kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’. Muslims who fail to hate kafirs will be excluded from Islamic paradise. Simple. But Francis does not know that.
No pope before has defended Islam until now. Pope JP II stupidly kissed a Koran, but he probably never read it.
Pope Francis cannot differentiate between an IDEOLOGY and a FOLLOWER of the ideology? We can… and we are not even as smart as a Jesuit.
Though many Jesuits DO KNOW about Al Walaa wal Baraa and would gladly explain it to the pope were he to ask.
jan sobieski says
Pope JP II stupidly kissed a Koran. … I have a photo of that. Some say it is a doctored photo but I believe it is real.
gravenimage says
No, it’s real. Of course, few at the time understood how dangerous Islam was.
Pope Francis has far less excuse.
Carol says
He has no excuse at all – what’s he doing up on his throne? – buffing his fingernails or bathing in thirty pieces of silver?
StellaSaidSo says
There is nothing remotely Christian about Pope Francis. There is nothing remotely HUMAN about Pope Francis.
He is a puppet, doing the bidding of his evil globalist masters, as he was selected by them to do.
Yogi says
That’s right , this traitors to the own countries..
No Fear says
Are there any refugees in the Vatican at all?
mortimer says
MESSAGE TO POPE FRANCIS: WRONGO! Your Holiness.
No Muslim can accept being called “sons and daughters of God” because it’s BLASPHEMOUS to say so.
It’s the IDEOLOGY, stupid!
THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS IN ISLAM FOR CHRISTIANS INTERVIEW AT FRANCISCAN UNIVERSITY:
Michael Hernon, panelists Dr. Regis Martin and Dr. Scott Hahn, and special guest Robert Spencer
Robert Spencer: “MUSLIMS DO NOT REJECT THEOLOGY OF ISIS”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT6venEOTnY
Helen says
Wow. I have just watched this and what a discussion. So respectful and logical. Thank you for posting.
Carol says
It’s good to hear Robert Spencer drawn out a little more in regard to his viewpoints – especially when it’s done by well-informed, well-intentioned men.
Georg says
It appears this guy is not someone to learn from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkBeG1vJ0FM
gravenimage says
Lots of people can stumble boarding an airplane, especially in a long garment. It is his missteps regarding Islam I am more concerned over.
Carol says
Ha, ha! It looks like he handles the disguise as well as he does his post!
VRWC member77 says
F*CK OFF BERGOGLIO YOU demagogic PUNK !!……..So now this putrid mound of hardened bile is directly insulting people who oppose Islamic Jihad. The hatred and contempt I have for this filthy monster is beyond words as he puts the lives of millions at real risk. Can someone explain why this wretched scum continues to insert himself in public discourse with these outrageous comments ? ! !
Jules Daniels says
I feel the same about this heretic. If the people of the Catholic church would speak up, they “might” be able to have him removed. Horrible evil little man.
Aarne Bittner says
Maybe Franziskus should read his Bible again. The “sons and daughters of God” are those who are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Its again Heresy what he is saying.
PaulM says
Check out his past. He has always been an anti Semite, a communist sympathizer and supporter and a lover of muslims and islam. He was never a Catholic. He joined the priesthood because he couldn’t support himself and was too lazy to look for a job.
Santa Voorhees says
Oh my God, please can someone send him to the nearest hospital? He needs immediate medical care, now! The leftism virus is at a very advanced state, do something before it eliminates his ability to reason and takes over his mind completely, if it hasn’t already, that is.
Oh, and make sure to quarantine him before it infects others!
R Russell says
It’s not a hospital he needs, it deliverance. But to be delivered you need to want to be and from what I read of this man he is perfectly happy in his demonised state.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Francis was NOT validly elected….so he is an anti-pope and the False Prophet of Revelations. As Robert Spencer said: Leave him…he is a blind guide. And Francis is not stupid. He is evil.
Wellington says
An extreme view and not one that I think will lead anywhere. I mean I deem Francis a complete fool but what is your proof for an invalid election by the College of Cardinals (and even assuming Benedict XVI was pressured to resign)?
Matthieu Baudin says
Francis seems to have picked up where Guevara left off – fifty years down the track.
Jerry Zavage says
Pope Francis seems never to have criticism of Islam adherents e.g. criticize the Saudis for not helping any Islamic war refugees within their own borders (they pay other Western countries to care for them, most likely as a subtle means of human Jihad.) Does he criticize the on-going genocide of Christians in Egypt? Does he criticize Turkey’s PM Erdogan for closing churches at a record rate (and turning them into mosques)? Francis wants the end of Western Civilization. The US gives %60 of its foreign humanitarian and military aid to predominantly Islamic countries while those countries spend their money building mosques (i.e. Jihad forward operating bases) in the West. Why is it that Islamic governments don’t have to obey the U.S. Constitution and laws regarding separation religion/ideologies and government? Islamic governments spend profusely proselytizing in the West. The Western governments are biased in favor of the spread of Islam. Switzerland and Japan have outlawed the building of mosques in their countries by Islamic governments, the US needs to do the same.
Robert says
Hopefully no one listens this old child molesting coot….He’s not only senile but he is steady with globalist propaganda….
Sam says
This guy is as clueless as some liberals I know. How can that be? Does this guy know about Christianity? What an idiot!
KateM says
If he thinks that our reasonable fears are wrong, then I suggest that he saves the Vatican some money and eliminates the Popemoblie and the Swiss Guards.
Jack Holan says
Where did they find this Agent, at a Wirkers Party Meeting? Seriously it doesn’t get worse than this and there is no justification to the Suicide of the Church, members and Europe. What is the true story behind Pope Benedict’s “Retirement”. How do they keep him muzzled?
Yogi says
This pope is worse pop ever , He doesn’t know what He talking about, I hope His days are counted..
Yogi says
Is He know about, reapes , murder, and molestations the kids , by this savages He calls refugees??, I think He have a blind eye of that , He is traitor to all Christians..
CRUSADER says
This actually bodes badly for the necessary propaganda war efforts to keep Latin America anti-Jihadist / pro-Christian / pro-West / and pro-capitalism….etc….
¿ Dhimmitudo ….?
i No se, señor !
DEUS VULT
+++++++++
Ziba Delavar says
The Pope is a fool and a hypocrite. Why isn’t he saying anything about those poor people protesting in Iran? As a Christian, personally I firmly believe that he is the false prophet of the end times.
gravenimage says
I don’t think he is that bad–but definitely an utter fool who is doing a great deal of harm.
gravenimage says
Pope: Those who decry security risks of Muslim migrants demean “the human dignity” of the “sons and daughters of God”
……………………….,.
Now not wanting innocent people to fall victim to rape and murder is demeaning the human dignity of the rapists and murderers? What utter moral insanity…
mortimer says
The pope is worried about the dignity of Muslims, but Muslim countries are NOT concerned. The human rights of Muslims in the Islamic world are not of interest to the dictators of those countries!
The pope should try living there before making uninformed judgements.
Who in the RCC can get the facts of Islamic ideology to him?
gravenimage says
True, Mortimer.
Carol says
But maybe the Pope is concerned since he seems to want them all over here – mental baggage and all??
Granddaddy says
The Pope’s reference to Muslims being among the sons and daughters of God, not only is it blasphemy to a Muslim, but totally Christian. Allah refers to all Muslims as his slaves. The phrase should read, “the human dignity due to all slaves of Allah.” Which is what they were getting in the place they came from. The Pope is either lying when he says he has read the Quran, or he is deceived. There are only a few possibilities with this: he’s either senile, a confirmed mental handicap (idiot, moron, imbecile,etc, and I mean in a totally professional way), he’s being purposely misled by his advisors, he’s being paid off, they’re holding his wife and children for ransom/extortion, or he’s not really the Pope at all, he’s an Islamic double (that’s why he doesn’t show his face in the photos). Also, I don’t remember being a foreigner in Egypt (he refers to Deuteronomy 10:18-19 in his statement). The Jews must find this all amusing. “Your Pope is a moron,” they say. “No,” I reply, “he is an idiot. Get it right.”
le mouron rouge says
Granddaddy says
Jan 1, 2018 at 9:12 pm
The Pope’s reference to Muslims being “among the sons and daughters of God,” not only is it blasphemy to a Muslim, but totally Christian. Allah refers to all Muslims as his slaves.
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More demagoguery from Francis.
“But as many as received him,(Yeshua HaMashiach/Jesus the Messiah) to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
– John 1:12
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
– Romans 8:14
“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he (Yeshua HaMashiach/Jesus the Messiah) shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
1 John 3:2
gravenimage says
+1
CRUSADER says
What does “+1” reference, GI ?
gravenimage says
CRUSADER, on many commenting systems–including “IntenseDebate”, which was in use here at Jihad Watch for a while–you can vote a comment up or down. So “+1” indicates approval.
You now often see writing “+1” used when the commenting system–as here–does not allow for voting comments up or down. It is just another way of saying “good post”.
Sometimes people want to add even more emphasis, and say things like “+2” or “+100”, even though you can only vote someone up one point on those systems, no matter how much you agree with someone’s comments.
I don’t generally use a lot of on-line jargon, since it can get pretty cheesy–but I think this in common enough usage that is not really slangy at this point.
LeftisruiningCanada says
He’s not doing them any favors by telling the muslims that they are already sons and daughters of God.
I’m no fan of the Church of Rome, but in his position, the pope is required to proclaim Christ to the muslims and seek their conversion, not butter them up with lies and platitudes.
His popish forebears would be ashamed.
Well, some of them at least.
Aliikaua says
Pope Francis is a kind and loving man. He is unusually idealistic in his approach for a Jesuit.
It just doesn’t seem to be in him to see the bad in people or the darkness in ideologies.
Sadly, Islam is by doctrine at war with Christianity even if we turn the other cheek.
While it may be possible to reform some individual Muslims through a living approach, it would require a serious educational effort. This is why I’ve always felt we should encourage diversity in places like Iraq & Afghanistan by establishing religious schools for orphans. The schools could be Catholic, Jewish, Christian, or Buddhist…as long as they weren’t Muslim. That way there would be diversity in three generations just as there is now in Japan and Germany.
Ideological concepts are deeply rooted in Islamic culture; so it would take nothing less than a complete cultural revolution of ideology to change the current threat to a peaceful world.
Pope Francis has done a wonderful job of bringing people back to the Catholic Church and in building ecumenical connections, but he is a far purer soul than I in terms of trusting the nature of wolves to be allowed to live amongst the sheep without sheepdogs or shepherds.
Maluhia O Ke Akua,
‘Olohe Kai
LeftisruiningCanada says
“he is a far purer soul than I in terms of trusting the nature of wolves ”
That’s a nice way of saying it, Aliikaua.
But can we all a shepherd ‘pure’ of heart, if he fails to protect the sheep from the wolves…..and perhaps feels bad for even noticing a wolf, or calling it by it’s name?
CRUSADER says
By the way, I think the concern is that the Pope may be surrounded by Dhimmies at the Vatican….and thereby the Islamist propaganda has worked its way in there among policymakers…. Vatican is very geo-political as well as spiritual…so, there is deep concern about this from analysts viewing what this Pope has been doing….quite different from Benedict XVI / Ratzinger….
True, to present the fullness of options to populations, so that truth — which is the daughter of time — will let out….let them choose after being more informed, properly….
Not sure how well diversity has benefitted Germany, there is severe guilt driving the Dhimmitude there….
Japan at least has done well in keeping itself inoculated.
Not sure if we have the time for all that, though, there is too much Islamization occurring and various vectors of it hitting the West. Time for defensive maneuvers.
Deflector Shields Up! Ready Photon Torpedoes! * * * * * * * * *
Aliikaua says
Worthy concerns to be sure.
Who would want to live in a home infested with termites, rats, roaches, and mosquitoes?
It is a very real threat, and I admire the many voices shared here who clearly recognize that threat.
Regardless of his office, the Pope is a priest, and as such is called by his vocation to present the loving and kindhearted voice of an apostle. We have far too many examples in history of Popes who seemed to forget that. Although he may be too kind of heart to see the threat of Jihad in very Muslim, he does seem to see the spirit of Christ in every Christian.
To consider the voice of an “ Angel’s Advocate”, that may well be his mission: to employ his gift as an evangelist: to potentially increase the size of the Christian flock and dim the numbers of the undecided who either convert to Islam or choose to stay in the secular wasteland of willful ignorance to any ideology of faith beyond themselves.
Converting Muslims to Christianity may be highly unlikely, but reminding Christians to return to their faith or bringing in new believers to Catholicism or Christianity regardless of denomination instead of Islam is certainly a worthy cause for a Pope.
Depending on your point of view it can be both beautiful and tragic when a leader comes from the pure heart of kindness and love to the point where they may be unaware of the dangers surrounding their flock.
At the same time, I have not had the opportunity to share coffee or tea or a good cigar with the man, so there may be a higher strategy at work that I am unaware of along the lines of the old saying: “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.
It is also possible that someone who always looks for the good in everyone might not register or notice a line in the Koran commanding Muslims to “kill them where you find them” or that he is influenced by revisionist history books that try to say that “it doesn’t really mean that” or that “that only applied during Mohammed’s time and context, it doesn’t apply today”.
The harsh challenge we face is that it applies now more than ever before in history, especially because so many of our educated elite have decided to “drink the Kool-Aid”. They not only whitewash the danger, they deny it ever existed at all or decide that Christians and the Western World should willingly take on a quilt trip of taking responsibility for being terrorized.
It seriously concerns me that rubbish revisionist history is allowed in textbooks to the point where if those books were the only ones your children read they would be being Brainwashed by the propaganda of suicidal political correctness.
In recent months with the films “Dunkirk” and “Darkest Hour” we are reminded that the path of peace cannot afford to unaware of the nature of scorpions.
There is a stream that a scorpion wants to cross but he can’t swim. He sees a frog about to cross and asks if he can ride on the frogs back. The frog expresses concern saying: “but if I let you on my back you might sting me” to which the scorpion replies: “no I won’t because then I would drown and we would both die”. Having heard this the front relents in kindness and allows the scorpion to climb on and starts swimming across the stream. Halfway across the scorpion stings him and they both begin to drown. The frog asks: “Why did you sting me when you said you wouldn’t?” And the scorpion replies: “I am a scorpion.”
And so here we are, in a world where even the scorpions of the 21st century are being taught in school that they really aren’t scorpions at all.
There is a delicate balance between the loving kindness sought in the path of priesthood and the noble courage of a warrior seeking to preserve or restore a peaceful world. It was a seriously challenging task to validate the creation of warrior orders of professional knights in the Crusades and is no less so today for 21st century sheepdogs.
Many who chime in here seem willing to step up in that capacity, at least intellectually. When you enter the fray physically you are confronted with some of the same challenges the Crusaders faced in recognizing how to survive living in the grey fog of war that your families at home do not really understand.
From a faith based religious standpoint, I truly admire human beings that are loving and kind enough to always see the good in others. From a warriors standpoint I am wary of an epidemic growth in the scorpion population surrounded by soft backed frogs that have forgotten why turtles need shells.
There is, however, a huge factor that I have not seen addressed on JW. The greatest strength that Pope Francis has given the 21st century is that he has brought a lot of people back to Christian churches in droves at a time when the liberal agenda was on the verge of eradicating any Papal influence on the world. He has of has made an overwhelming difference in redeeming the Catholic Church in the eyes of people who had grown to see it as a source of scandal, irrelevant, written it off completely.
So consider this: What if the real intent is to evangelize?
If Pope Francis can convert nonbelievers and bring lapsed Christians back to the Bible, it stands to reason that the potential Body of Christ willing to stand up to resist Islam will grow to the point of being able to counter the threat.
This doesn’t mean I am in favor of inviting Jihadists into our communities. It means I all the more see the value of educating the orphans in their communities to curb the tide from the inside out.
I do not personally know the Pope so I cannot know for sure what his plan is, but I do see where it is worth giving him the benefit of the doubt on certain things because of his vocation. A follower of Christ is called to be loving and welcoming, so it is the mission of the priest to be forever sharing that message even if it leads to martyrdom.
The warrior has a different mission statement and is not confined by the same boundaries.
I am not a priest; and although I have known kind loving people who were able to live long peaceful lives without ever getting into a fight, I am not one of those men.
I am, however, willing to be a sheepdog for such men…
I am not a scorpion. I am not a soft backed frog…I am more like a frogman.
At the very least I am a sea turtle with a plan…and at my best I am a sea monster that depends on good hearted beacons of hope like Saint Francis to keep my inner leviathan in the service of something better than myself.
Deus Vult,
Aliikaua
LeftisruiningCanada says
But if his plan to evangelize involves gutting everything Christian from the content he evangelizes with, what kind of ‘christian’ will it produce?
Part of the Gospel is the idea that Christ is the only way to forgiveness and to God. There is no other way. All this getting cozy with islam is only possible by never saying that, and by never calling on muslims to abandon their false hope.
Unless he is an evangelist for communism, i’m not sure what his goals might be.
Aliikaua says
It’s a challenging situation to be sure.
We hear the “what” of someone’s words but without knowing them we cannot truly discern the “why”.
I’ve seen many rush to judgement, I just choose to be an Angel’s Advocate and offer him benefit of the doubt as to his reasoning.
In the meantime I remain vigilant.
Historically the coat of arms of the Vatican include a gold key and a silver key.
One symbolized spiritual strength while the other symbolized military might.
We live in a different time from the days during which those keys were first drawn.
Historical truth validates that the Crusades as being inspired by self-defense in response to Muslim aggression…and yet we live in a time when people try to rewrite history and describe modern Islamic terrorism as a “just response to those evil Crusades.”
In truth Islam has been continually violent and aggressive from its inception to the present day.
In truth there was no Vatican nor even Roman Catholic Church as an institution until more than 300 years after Christ.
The beginnings of Christianity were quite humble and early followers were persecuted.
So the real message predates the Papacy.
All religions do not share the same origins.
Jesus and Sidhartha never killed anyone.
Mohammed killed members of his own family.
One thing I do agree with is that the agenda of Islam is to conquer or kill us all.
So this is a resistance movement.
In that I feel we have the potential to be united in a visceral purpose and stand strong with temerity.
I just would rather either:
1. Choose to see him as someone who just doesn’t see the dark side of humanity.
2. If I had the opportunity I woul ask the Pope to explain the “why” behind his platform hoping he may have a wisdom we haven’t seen.
or
3. If possible, take the steps to educate him and his staff if they would be open to such a discussion.
Pax Christi,
Aliikaua
gravenimage says
Aliikaua wrote:
Historically the coat of arms of the Vatican include a gold key and a silver key.
One symbolized spiritual strength while the other symbolized military might.
……………………
Not quite, Aliikaua. Here is the symbolism of the keys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keys_of_Heaven
Aliikaua says
Well that is what Wikipedia says, but not what was written on a document in the Vatican Library from the time of the formation of the heraldry.
In either case, it is the contrast between heavenly and earthly power that is interesting in the context of what I shared.
gravenimage says
Well, Aliikaua, this is what the Vatican itself has to say:
“Since the XIV Century, the two crossed keys have been the official insignia of the Holy See. The gold one, on the right, alludes to the power in the kingdom of the heavens, the silver one, on the left, indicates the spiritual authority of the papacy on earth. The mechanisms are turned up towards the heaven and the grips turned down, in other words into the hands of the Vicar of Christ. The cord with the bows that unites the grips alludes to the bond between the two powers.”
http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/sp_ss_scv/insigne/sp_ss_scv_stemma-bandiera-sigillo_en.html
It never refers to military might–just the authority of the papacy on earth.
Still, your point is taken.
Incidentally, my reference was not Wikipedia–they just seemed to cover the issue nicely.
The original symbolism of the keys comes from the Gospel of Matthew 16:19:
Jesus says to Peter, “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Aliikaua says
Yes, that has been the reformed answer since the late 1800’s after the loss of the Papal States.
That being said, I saw what I saw on the original documents.
There have been PhD dissertations written on all the complicated transitions as the Vatican’s role in the world continually evolvied from the time of Constantine, to the formation of the Crusader Orders, to the Protestant Reformation, to the World Wars, to Vatican II, to the present day.
Although I appreciate the input, no one should be surprised if the current official answer on the website may differ from the notes of the man who drew up the original design.
LeftisruiningCanada says
I like your tone Aliikaua, and it would seem that we don’t have any great disagreement on this when it comes down to it.
All we have are the man’s own words to go by. What i’ve read leads me to believe that he has no idea, or perhaps no willingness to admit, that many of the people entering europe aren’t coming only for economic or life-saving reasons.
I’m all for using opportunities to proclaim Christ and Him crucified, but there doesn’t seem any overwhelming need to import the islamic world to do so. I can see how having them come to us gets them away from their own countries where Christian evangelism is perhaps impossible, but with so many coming so quickly, they are just creating enclaves where you can’t go anyway, just like where they came from.
“All religions do not share the same origins”
Agreed completely. But can we say which way the pope feels about it?
“1. Choose to see him as someone who just doesn’t see the dark side of humanity.”
That would put him in a strange position indeed, as a Christian let alone as a pope.
With other things i’ve read the man to say, at the moment it’s hard to think of him as anything but another member of the general “Left”, like most EU leaders, who have faith that increasing the economic and educational level of people is going to make them just like us.
Pessimistic? Yeah, a little. Hopeless? Not a bit. My hope does not ultimately reside in this world, however much i’d be willing to defend the good we have in our part of it.
It’ll always be a mess here, till the Lord comes back, but that does’t mean we give it up easily 🙂
Aliikaua says
Amen Sir,
Thank you, I agree in our common mission.
I also feel that most of the supposed “refugees” attempting to enter the Western World are not helpless or poor. They show up with brand new smartphones and cash. They soldiers of Jihad hiding in plain sight…scorpions asking the soft backed frogs of the world for a ride so they can wipe out the entire population of the lily pond.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the reply, Aliikaua.
CRUSADER says
Regarding the Leviathan….
Lord Tennyson wrote a sonnet, “The Kraken” (1830),
which describes the massive creature that dwells at the bottom of the sea.
” Below the thunders of the upper deep;
Far far beneath in the abysmal sea,
His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep
The Kraken sleepeth: faintest sunlights flee
About his shadowy sides; above him swell
Huge sponges of millennial growth and height;
And far away into the sickly light,
From many a wondrous grot and secret cell
Unnumber’d and enormous polypi
Winnow with giant arms the slumbering green.
There hath he lain for ages, and will lie
Battening upon huge seaworms in his sleep,
Until the latter fire shall heat the deep;
Then once by man and angels to be seen,
In roaring he shall rise and on the surface die.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
gravenimage says
Aliikaua, Pope Francis seems far more concerned with not only being loving to Muslims, but loving *to Islam*.
And he is showing very little love to Christians–or other Infidels–who are being brutalized by the violent Muslims.
Very troubling.
Aliikaua says
I agree it is very troubling
I agree that Christians are being raped, enslaved, tortured, killed and severely persecuted.
I’m not sharing any details, but I have witnessed and fought this evil personally.
I just can’t jump on board with negativity or judgement the man, nor can willingly choose to allow anger or fear make decisions for me.
I can and will stand up for the fight and that is why I wrote anything at all.
Honestly this thread is the very first time in my entire life that I have chimes in any such thoughts on a public forum of any kind.
I was asked by a friend who is actively engaged in this cause for my thoughts on the thread.
This is a resistance movement.
I’d just rather strive to see if we may be able to help educate Christian religious leaders rather than attacking them personally.
I am grateful and respect that you did not do so in your reply to what I shared, and that is why I offer the same thoughtful respect to you.
We are capable of being gentlemen.
And yet wise enough to never mistake kindness for weakness.
It is what it is.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Wish i could help….prayer will do for now i guess.
Lord be with you guys
Carol says
The pope’s a dope. Pontificating while others swing. He does not know the future and therefore cannot justify his lack of action by “the end justifies the means”. That’s pure pap.
gravenimage says
Welcome to Jihad Watch, Aliikaua. I believe standing against Jihad is the most important fight of our time–just as the fight against Fascism was for our parents and grandparents.
Are you Hawai’ian? I know your name means “Chief” in Hawai’ian.
Aliikaua says
Mahalo Nui Loa Sir.
Yes, my father is Hawaiian. My mother is blond and green eyed. So I am basically a less pretty Keanu Reeves with a bigger build and without the long hair…which I see as a tactical liability.
And you are correct on the first half of the moniker referring to a Chief in our language.
Maluhia O Ke Akua,
Aliikaua
Carol says
” I’ve always felt we should encourage diversity in places like Iraq & Afghanistan by establishing religious schools for orphans. The schools could be Catholic, Jewish, Christian, or Buddhist…as long as they weren’t Muslim. That way there would be diversity in three generations just as there is now in Japan and Germany.”
Sounds more like a Muslim shooting-gallery-in-waiting.
Carol says
And IF the pope has “brought people back to the church in droves” we can probably rest assured it’s those seeking free handouts from a New World Order. Seems suspiciously convenient politically. Fairness to the downtrodden is one thing but the goodness and “purity of heart” of the New World Order is more than a little suspect and it’s doubtful the pope has a crystal ball.
gravenimage says
Yes–Muslims would just blow up these schools.
Aliikaua says
Timing is everything
When I suggested we build schools for the orphans we had just taken Baghdad and secured a “Green Zone”. My idea was to keep any and all potential bad guys outside of the zone because the regular attacks on our convoys had to be coming from intel from the supposedly “good Iraqi’s” working with us. The concept was to open non-Muslim schools in the secure areas.
While insurgents would certainly try, it would have been extremely difficult for them to do so under those conditions at that time.
The paradyme is certainly challenging. It requires the extremely politically incorrect action of displacing any and all adults and even youth who could present a threat and establishing a path toward diversity and democracy in the future by educating the orphans in the secured areas.
We did this in Japan and Germany after WWII and the truth is that we never left either of those countries. We are still there.
Someone may chime in about how they might not think either place is all that great, but neither one is advocating Axis or fascist politics and neither one is at war with us any longer. We have earned their friendship.
Without education you cannot ever expect anyone in Iraq & Afghanistan to be able to establish a democratic government because they have lived in totalitarian dictatorships for thousands of years.
gravenimage says
Islam is even more virulent than Fascism.
Aliikaua says
To blow them up, they have to get to them.
15 years ago that was not so easy when we had taken Baghdad and established a “Green Zone”.
At that time under that President it would have been possible, but would have involved displacement of every single Muslim in the Zone.
I was there, and I was very frustrated with how often we were being attacked. We knew that some of the people who said they were our friends wanted to behead us, but our hands were tied because the press was all over us to ensure we were being respectful of the “good Muslims”.
Truly tough situation for me to address because there were in fact four Muslims who risked their lives to save mine. One in particular risked everything to keep me alive.
I cannot tell you any details or answer any questions at all, especially not on a public forum like this, but please rest assured that my idea of schools for orphans was not naive or short sighted…it was earned with boots on the ground experience. I know in my soul that it would have helped.
The children we would have taught in 2003 would be adults now with a greater sense of self worth, a more diverse view of the world, and a vision of hope for the future of their country.
In 1095 Crusaders May have initially advocated a. “Kill then all” approach to the threat of Islam.
The problem is that this would make us look like we were following their dark ideologies.
Instead I’m looking for ways to change those countries to have a new demographic where there is no longer a Muslim majority.
And before someone else chimes in about how I’m a such a sweetheart toward Jihadists because of the four Muslims who risked their lives for me, I will also point out that there were perhaps forty, four hundred, four thousand, forty thousand, or four hundred thousands who wanted me beheaded on Al Jazeera.
They almost succeeded
Since they didn’t I am here with all of you realizing that the 1095 plan did not succeed and striving toward a 21st Century solution with the very end of the world at stake.
Deus Vult,
Aliikaua
gravenimage says
There are definitely Muslims who are better than their creed, Aliikaua.
Would that this were true of all of them.
Aliikaua says
Agreed Gravenimage,
If only we were all better than our creed…
What a wonderful world it would be.
It has been my experience, not just in the Middle East but throughout the world, that faith matters more than religion.
If someone has a good inner nature they can do good regardless of their creed.
The specific challenge we face here is that the specific creed we are addressing wants our heads removed from our bodies…
So although I feel we should have no malice whatsoever toward an individual man, I do agree we have a serious war with a dark ideology that threatens to overtake the world like hungry termites to fresh pine.
Maluhia O Ke Akua,
Aliikaua
don vito says
When Pope Francis end his prayers with allahu akbar, creeping mental illness makes its presence known. When this happens the Pope must be prevented from getting behind a steering wheel of a vehicle, what ever the cost.
jewdog says
The victims of the migrants are also demeaned. Self-defense is a sacred value in the Judeo-Christian tradition and should not be ignored, and that should also include cultural defense. Is the Catholic Church now a pacifist organization?
Enola Gay says
If this pope cannot see the true path of Islam he does not deserve the protection of the Christian club. Tithe locally. God bless Americans.
Mark Swan says
One of the biggest shadows looming over Europe is the threat by Muslims. This threat
casts an ominous shadow not only over Europe, but over much of the globe.
Europeans have watched with increasing alarm the resurgence of Islamic culture—in their midst
and along their southern borders.
Muslims now comprise one-fifth of the world’s population. High birth rates and lack of economic opportunities in Islamic countries have propelled millions of immigrants toward Europe—where
they now comprise nearly 10 percent of the population of some European countries.
This Islamic resurgence and waves of immigrants are both felt and feared in Europe—where many Westerners feel that they are being invaded not by armies and tanks but by migrants who speak
other languages, worship another god, belong to another culture, and, they fear, occupy their land
and threaten their way of life, they fear being overwhelmed by these failed societies to the South.
While liberal Western leaders speak of toleration, negotiation and co-existence in a multicultural
society, the realities of history point in the opposite direction.
For nearly 1,400 years the relationship between Islam and “Christendom” has been
stormy and bloody.
Many in the West do not realize that Islam and Western democracy are simply not compatible. In a democracy, common people make laws; Islamic societies derive their laws from their religion’s holy book, the Koran. Leading Muslims have proclaimed that the root cause of contemporary ills is democracy and only one ambition is worthy of Islam…to save the world from the curse of democracy.
A sobering lesson of the last century is the general failure of liberal democracy to take hold in Muslim countries.
This Pope may be trying to help speed-up the unification of Europe, under a common religion—his.
He knows all the above is true.
More Ham Ed says
I doubt if anyone at the Fatican has ever read the unholy ko ‘ran. They just pretend it doesn’t exist.
Sharyati says
A small question to Catholics here. Is there anyway to depose this pope?
gravenimage says
In practical terms, not really.
If he proved to be unpopular enough, though, he might be convinced to step down.
Lynn D says
This pope will probably go down in history as Pope Dhimmi the first…I don’t know which is his worst fault, his fatuous idiocy regarding Islam, or his arrogance in deciding Western people’s lives are not as important as that of Muslims..He is pontificating heresy when it comes to RC Doctrine..By his lights he is the guiding light of what 1.2 billion people of his faith should believe..So therefore he is misguiding/lying to an estimated 6th of the world’s population and telling them they must be kind to their would be killers..A good ruse to brainwash a good chunk of the earth’s population to willingly surrender to Islam… Pope Francis?? I am beginning to wonder if he wasn’t named Mohammed when he was born
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
No RC should follow this man anymore. If you are keeping up with the news then you know this pope is being politely questioned and corrected (Filial Correction) by numerous scholars, theologians, bishops and even cardinals regarding some of his newly minted doctrine. Over a year ago several high ranking bishops and scholars sent him a letter to politely ask questions regarding this new doctrine of his, which seems to go against Catholic teaching. He never bothered to answer the letter. He didn’t respond to the recent Filial Correction. (I think it’s a bad sign when you don’t get a straight answer from someone who’s suppose to be open and honest.) Right now he is officially a heretic. I personally think he’s got something wrong with his head. So it would be foolish to follow a fool or/and a lunatic.
Granddaddy says
This is what the Pope said about Islam and the Quran officially five years ago,
“…authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.” (EVANGELII GAUDIUM, chapter 4, part 4, Interreligious Dialogue, #253)
So apparently he has read the Quran and he doesn’t understand what “kill them where you find them” means. He doesn’t understand what “chop off their hands and feet” means. He doesn’t understand what “be you apes and pigs” means. Either that or he’s not being honest.
He also said, “We Christians should embrace with affection and respect Muslim immigrants to our countries in the same way that we hope and ask to be received and respected in countries of Islamic tradition.” (ibid.)
I don’t recall all those hoards of immigrants wanting to move to Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc, etc. I must have missed that.
He also said,
“The sacred writings of Islam have retained some Christian teachings; Jesus and Mary receive profound veneration and it is admirable to see how Muslims both young and old, men and women, make time for daily prayer and faithfully take part in religious services.”
EVANGELII GAUDIUM, chapter 4, part 4, Interreligious Dialogue, #252.
He means the Muslim Jesus, son of Mary sister of Moses, the prophet who did not die on the cross (Quran 4″157), who is no more than a messenger (Quran 4:171), and who will return on the Last Day to destroy all the churches and kill all the Christian pigs (Sahih Bukhari 4, 55, 657).
I don’t understand this Pope. If he’s read it, then he knows what it says. If hasn’t, then why does he say (or at least imply) that he has?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
And also they (Mohammadans) believe that the Virgin Mary will be given to Mohammad as a sex slave.
Carol says
Grandaddy…In the Franciscan video offered by Mortimer above, Robert Spencer begins (around 42:20) to describe the dangers of attempting to proselytize in Muslim majority countries (Aliikaua with his orphan plans might pay heed) and he next goes on to describe and EXPLAIN another type of hurdle they face – the MIXED messages contained in the Koran regarding Jesus and Mary.
gravenimage says
Good post, Carol.
CRUSADER says
Muslim Solution?
Maybe the youth of Iran will show us the way.
Certainly the multiculturalism of Lebanon and the chance to teach others on the ground there did not survive the civil warring nor the incursion from Syria and from Hizbollah….nor at the time the undermining by PLO and the Soviets.
Not sure how to gain the upper hand with educating populations in current Muslim majority countries without the permission of authorities there who currently wouldn’t allow for it.
Even the mainstay Turkey has turned coat and Islamized.
Perhaps best to do what we can with those in the Muslim minority (Kuffar) nations, by supporting India and Russia and China and parts of Africa and the Americas, etc…..to ensure they don’t turn toward Islamist pressures. Difficult given the demographic curves of the future….
And, with our own leadership either having heads in sand or heads up their arses….
Well, all we have left to do is circle the wagons and not let the intruders in.
That’s a good part of Robert Spencer’s message. Defense.
We cannot do much on the offense by converting the Muslims.
Aliikaua says
Agreed Crusader,
Although there are noteworthy examples, adult Muslim conversion to Christianity is rare at best. In truth the conversion of a Muslim to any other religion is not only rare, but can put them and their families in danger or repercussions and persecution.
My educational idea for orphans would have worked when we first conquered Iraq & Afghanistan. Back then we had the authority to teach just the young orphans and kick everyone else out of the Green Zones.
It would be a harsh recipe to displace everyone else, but in the midst of war it would have been possible. Sadly it is a different story now.
It was already lost in 2008 after the change in administration and onslaught of political correctness.
It would not work in Lebanon, Syria, or any other place where we do not have absolute dominance over the region.
If the West was a bit smarter we would have been wiser the threat of Islam about the fall of the Ottoman Empire and after WWI and WWII…
I agree that China, Russia, and other global powers would be wise in taking care not to be overrun by infestation.
The voices of men like Robert Spencer and Dennis Prager are indeed wise to listen to. One can only hope that similar voices are being heard in Russia and China.
The threat of Jihad may well be the greatest danger to world peace and the individual cultural integrity of every nation and people on earth since the dawn of history.
All nations would be wise to take appropriate steps to ensure the survival of their culture.
Pax Christ,
Aliikaua
FYI says
pope francis is a heretical phoney…
…and that belief comes from many faithful Catholics
duh swami says
A proper reading of the Quran reveals on every page examples of ‘human dignity’ Allah want’s you to be dignified…Mohammad carried the flag of dignity into battle while he spread the dignity of Islam to the villagers…Kinanna got a fatal does of Islamic dignity…You already know the story, but how dignified was that? I think the Pope is overlooking a lot…
Dustin Koellhoffer says
Did he seriously say this?! That’s like declaring those who do not invite murderers and thieves into their homes are inhumane. SICK!
Muhammad the First Terrorist and his religion of self-imposed brainwashing:
https://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2015/01/08/mohammad-the-first-terrorist-and-his-religion-of-self-imposed-brainwashing/
D'Arcy L McGreer says
Amen.
LeftisruiningCanada says
From the Letter:
“Offering asylum seekers, refugees, migrants and victims of human trafficking an opportunity to find the peace they seek requires a strategy combining four actions: welcoming, protecting, promoting and integrating”
But what if they are seeking an islamic version of peace?
It would appear that the 4 actions he recommends would certainly offer them that chance.
““Protecting” has to do with our duty to recognize and defend the inviolable dignity of those who flee real dangers in search of asylum and security, and to prevent their being exploited. I think in particular of women and children who find themselves in situations that expose them to risks and abuses that can even amount to enslavement”
Who will protect the women and children in our countries from the asylum seekers we are wecloming?
““Promoting” entails supporting the integral human development of migrants and refugees. Among many possible means of doing so, I would stress the importance of ensuring access to all levels of education for children and young people”
Sounds good, but what about restricting the education of those people by evil islamists?
““Integrating”, lastly, means allowing refugees and migrants to participate fully in the life of the society that welcomes them”
What if they don’t want to? What if they just want their own society, and to change ours to be like that?
“It is my heartfelt hope this spirit will guide the process that in the course of 2018 will lead the United Nations to draft and approve two Global Compacts, one for safe, orderly and regular migration and the other for refugees. As shared agreements at a global level, these compacts will provide a framework for policy proposals and practical measures.”
Another reason to reject the UN by the sounds of it. The pope sure sounds like a one world government shill doesn’t he. Sure, we don’t need to look at helping people in their own homes, we can just invite them all round to our place!
Sounds like a recipe for a never ending and joyous house party. Or maybe not….
“Let us draw inspiration from the words of Saint John Paul II: “If the ‘dream’ of a peaceful world is shared by all, if the refugees’ and migrants’ contribution is properly evaluated, then humanity can become more and more a universal family and our earth a true ‘common home’.””
But what if we all have different ideas of what ‘peace’ means?
gravenimage says
Good post.
MTMLA says
Peace in Islam= When the whole world become islamic ( whether you want it or not).
gravenimage says
Very true. In fact, Muslim countries are almost always the most violent.
Baucent says
“demeaning the human dignity due to all as sons and daughters of God,” Francis said in the New Year’s message”
He might like to try reading the Gospels, there he will find Jesus calling the Pharisees “Sons of your father the Devil.” I’m sure that upset the dignity of the Pharisees, but the Truth needed to be said. The pope should know Jesus teaching clearly was that no one can claim relationship to God if they reject him (Jesus) as the savior. As muslims invariably do, they are not “sons and daughters of God.”
The Pope’s ignorance and or rejection of orthodox Christian doctrine and theology is stunning.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Reformers have been thinking the same thing for quite a while.
D'Arcy L McGreer says
Amen.
D'Arcy L McGreer says
Pope is an easy talker. Other peoples have to spend their resources in money and violence against them in body and soul to accept this massive influx of young Muslim men, but it will not be the Pope’s money and resources and violence against his body and soul. What he should do is tell his church that for the next Sundays for the following year or more all income from all the Roman Catholic Churches will be taxed at %15 to pay for the cost of the massive immigration and pay for all the damage to those who are harmed and killed by the massive Muslim immigration. No? He sounds more like an American Liberal who does a lot of virtue signally with other peoples resources and their bodies.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Sad to say, Pope Francis is still really only embracing basic Christian doctrine:
Jesus’ absence between the ages of 12 and 34 indicate he had fled to India and studied Buddhism – cave writings from four thousand years ago in India are word-for-word, paragraph-for-paragraph renditions of Jesus’ words in the New Testament.
Both Buddhism and Christianity have savior figures who pretend to be able to mysteriously save us from damage and pain, the fear of that damage and pain, and from the ultimately useless greedy hope of less and/or no pain, respectively.
Christianity’s insistence on compassion mercy and forgiveness (aka pity) instead of on problem-solving anger (aka hate) proves it is really only all about endorsing Submission to fearful despair and giving up in favor of static death, just as Buddhism does.
And the only difference between the Christian/Buddhist and islamic versions of Submission to the nonexistant god, is that while Christianity’s (“Always turn the other cheek; Vengeance is the Lord’s alone; Resist ye not evil men!”) is that, like all other ‘real’ religions, is asserts that one must obey it’s silly rules, or GOD (or the gods) will get you, while islam’s version of Submission insists that one must obey their silly rules, or they will get you, “for god!”
Basically, Christianity is nothing more than the existentialist nihilism of Buddhism grafted onto the Judaic god.
our own culture’s main idolatrous Christian mistake – that PITY is always Good, and ANGER is always Bad – is a direct copy of Buddhism’s insistance that “from good can only come good, and from evil can only come more evil!”
Both notions embrace static nonsense in stead of the true back-and-forth cause-and-effect dynamics of life!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Sorry Uncle Vladdi, but these criticisms of Christianity are shallow at best.
I makes me think that not much real interaction with the large body of writing on the subjects has been done.
“Jesus’ absence between the ages of 12 and 34 indicate he had fled to India and studied Buddhism – cave writings from four thousand years ago in India are word-for-word, paragraph-for-paragraph renditions of Jesus’ words in the New Testament.”
It’s one idea, but there are more tenable conclusions. It is known that a disciple mau have made it out that way, for example.
“Both Buddhism and Christianity have savior figures who pretend to be able to mysteriously save us from damage and pain”
In vastly different way though, right? Are there even any strong links? I can’t think of any right now.
“Christianity’s insistence on compassion mercy and forgiveness (aka pity) instead of on problem-solving anger (aka hate) proves it is really only all about endorsing Submission to fearful despair and giving up in favor of static death, just as Buddhism does”
Not true. We have several examples of righteous anger from Christ Himself, not to mention concepts of self defense. There is much in the OT Law that serve as guidelines for morally acceptable forms of life taking too. My usual go to example is that harming intruders who come into your home at night goes unpunished, while harming one coming in during the day may be punished depending on circumstance.
“while Christianity’s (“Always turn the other cheek; Vengeance is the Lord’s alone; Resist ye not evil men!”) ”
It would be well for you to examine some commentary on these verses, for you will see that pacificism is not what is intended by them.
“Basically, Christianity is nothing more than the existentialist nihilism of Buddhism grafted onto the Judaic god.”
Basically, that is completely false. From it’s foundation Buddhism claims that all suffering comes from attachment to the world, hence the rejection of the world and trying to suppress all thought.
Christ taught nothing like that. We can go more into it, if you ever see this and desire to.
“our own culture’s main idolatrous Christian mistake – that PITY is always Good, and ANGER is always Bad ”
This does not come from Christianity itself, but a secular and shallow perversion of it. In their rejection of Christianity, the secular states have tried to keep hold of things they thought were admirable, without maintaining the balance provided by the foundation it stood on.
“Both notions embrace static nonsense in stead of the true back-and-forth cause-and-effect dynamics of life!”
Again, not true, as any reading in Church History would make clear.
I think you have merely rejected your own misinformed idea of Christianity, rather than the thing itself. Strawmen are easy to knock down.
Mark Berlinger says
If the Pope urged the Western nations to rescue persecuted Christians in the Middle East, I would back him wholeheartedly. But when the Pope chooses to act and talk like a leftist politician, then he can expect to be treated like one. —Paul Gosar
https://townhall.com/columnists/congressmanpaulgosar/2015/09/17/why-i-am-boycotting-pope-francis-address-to-congress-n2053596
gravenimage says
Agreed.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Great quote, sums it nicely.
CRUSADER says
DEUS VULT
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StellaSaidSo says
Pope Francis is a willing shill for the globalist NWO cabal. He was chosen by them because of his communist / totalitarian sympathies, and his manipulability. Benedict was not so easily pushed around, and therefore had to be replaced. It is likely that Francis is compromised in some way, possibly related to child sexual abuse and / or cover-up of same. But in his case the carrot of reward may be a bigger motivator than the stick of exposure in achieving his co-operation with the grand plan, which is to bring down the West and enslave us all under a totalitarian regime. Islam is being used by the globalists as a weapon of mass cultural destruction. Until that destruction is achieved, the globalists and the Islamists are on the same page. After that, it will get very interesting, as the battle between two totalitarian visions ensues. Regardless of who wins, humanity is screwed.