Because of Muslim migrants, Sweden has a skyrocketing crime rate, and some heavily Muslim areas are practically war zones. And this what they’re prosecuting.
“71-year-old Denny called out Islam for being a ‘fascist ideology’ – prosecuted for hate speech,” translated from “71-årige Denny kallade islam för ”fascistisk ideologi” – åtalas för hets mot folkgrupp,” Samhällsnytt, January 25, 2018:
Summary:
The 71-year-old read the Quran and wanted to share his perspective of Islam. Now he’s being interrogated by the Swedish police and has to answer general questions regarding his stance towards Muslims. In the end, he will potentially be sentenced to up to two years of prison time.Text:
Denny Abrahamsson is living an ordinary life as a senior citizen. His residence is split between Stockholm and Thailand after a long working life — among other things, as a business owner. In his youth, he was a member of the Communist party KPML, but has since not been active in any political parties.“I used to be liberal, but in my later years I have moved further and further to the right. The liberals have completely lost their way and they have become more conservative, so to speak. I’m noticing that the liberals use censorship a lot more when they are unable to win debates,” Denny tells Samhällsnytt when they reached out to him via phone.
The latter he says he has personal experience with this: in March 2017, many of his comments at the popular Facebook-group “Stand up for Peter Springare” were reported to the police for hate speech.
“The reason as to why I began writing these comments is because I see a danger in Islam, and I see that people are so lost. I want to wake people up, but it is hard.
“A few years ago, I also thought of Islam as any other ordinary religion out there, but ever since I read the Qur’an, I was shocked by the hatred that exists within it, the misogyny, the hatred towards the infidels. The more Islam takes over, the more we compromise. Islam is a totalitarian ideology; with it comes dictatorship. So what I’m trying to say is, our democratic system is in danger.”
The person who reacted to Abrahamsson’s comments notified the police and attached many of his comments in his report. The police, however, only went forward with two of them. Here below follows an extract from the pretrial protocol that shows these two comments that the prosecutor says are related to hate speech:
Abrahamsson says that the comments in question can’t be seen as hate speech, because they criticize a religion, not a group of people:
“I don’t hate any people. What I hate is an ideology, Islam. You are free to criticize fascism and Nazism, but not Islam? Why does Islam have a protected status?”
The district prosecutor, Tove Kullberg, who turned in the complaint, however, has a different opinion. She says that the comments were illegal, but she can’t specify what it is in the comments that has crossed the line according to the law:
“I have made the judgement that the comments as they are, are hate speech, not any specific words. Then the district court will have to try him.”
Abrahamsson say that he criticizes an ideology, not a group of people. Don’t you think that you’re drawing the line between what statements are illegal and which belong to our free speech rights too harshly in this prosecution?
“I think that there is enough reason for the court to try this. It’s not up to the prosecutor to decide where this line is drawn; this is for the court to decide.”
Samhällsnytt has heard the police interrogation of Abrahamsson. During the interrogation, there were some questions that had no direct connection to the suspected crime; it rather seemed like an opinion interrogation. One of the questions was what Denny thinks about Muslims in general. Denny felt obligated to describe his personal perceptions to the interrogator — even though this has no relevance to the act:
“Denny states that he doesn’t have anything against Muslims as long as they don’t force their religion upon him. Religion is a private matter for every individual person. Furthermore, Denny says that he doesn’t attend church because his temple already exists within his heart. If anybody wants to attend church or a mosque, that’s up to every individual person.”
Denny has told Samhällsnytt that the police interrogator was himself a Muslim, and that his impartiality therefore can be questioned:
“His name was Shari, and I suspect that name originates from Sharia.”
Did he tell you that he was a Muslim during the interrogation?
“I asked him about it and then he told me.”
When Samhällsnytt asked Kullberg to comment on this information, she said the following:
“I have no comment at all about that. If he thinks that there were inaccuracies during the police investigation, he himself will have to turn to me.”
The prosecutor has pleaded the 16th chapter, paragraph 8, 1th criminal code, that has up to two years as the imposed penalty. Even if it’s unlikely that the previously unpunished Denny would receive prison time as a sentence, Kullberg don’t want to specify what punitive sanction will be pleaded.
Denny Abrahamsson at the same time says that a prison sentence would be “disgusting.”
What would you think if you were sentenced to prison?
“It would be disgusting and horrible to go to prison because you express your opinions.”
The main hearing will be held on the 19th of June in Stockholm’s district court.
PABLO says
This 71 year old is the real enemy of the Swedish people. Pathetic. Sweden is run by lunatics and they expect that everyone of their indigenous citizens will embrace their lunacy.
Billy Chickens says
But the lunacy arrived because too many of the “indigenous citizens” were themselves liberal feminists and for 50-60 years aborted their children and/or took contraceptives. Sweden, like all of Europe, has no children.
The result of that deception (having less children to make the earth a better place) backfired down the years until the realization hit that Sweden and all of Europe needs more people in order to survive. Hence they have to import them.
So Islam and its hordes arrive to fill the gap. Now people are complaining about something they themselves started in the first place.
All of it – abortion, contraceptives, the agenda of having no children at all, the importing of Muslims to fill the gap, the Kalergi Plan of the EU financed by the OIC, is evil. Just wondering how many children Denny Abrahamsson had?
libertyORdeath says
A low birth rate is not a valid reason to replace a people or their culture. In fact, with the world’s population spiraling out of control, mostly in poor countries and areas, lower birth rates may be the best we could have hoped for. America has done quite well as a sparsely populated country while countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and India can’t even feed their growing populous. The worst way to handle this situation is the dispersement of people from the overpopulated countries to places with sustainable populations. This would only cause the problem to become even more widespread and seal the fate of the people who have lower birth rates. The only real solution is for those in overpopulated countries to fix their problems themselves instead of running away. If countries offer incentives for staying and improving said country, people will be more likely to stay. If u offer incentives to migrate like asylum, free food, clothing, medical care, housing, school and the like then obviously more people will leave.
StellaSaidSo says
Decisions about the size of the family they have are made by couples, Billy, not just by women, and are based largely on economic considerations. Many women in my generation, for example, would have liked to have had bigger families, but few could afford to be out of the workforce for very long, and expecting the tax-payer to foot the bill for one’s tribe was never an option. Furthermore, large families were not encouraged, the idea of ‘Zero Population Growth’ having been heavily promoted by the Left since the 60’s. The globalist agenda dates back at least a century, and that ball was rolling long before any of us were born.
Phil Copson says
“Many women in my generation, for example, would have liked to have had bigger families, but few could afford to be out of the workforce for very long…..”
That seems like such a huge open question; “How and why did the most prosperous generation that ever lived come to believe that it couldn’t afford to have children ?”
StellaSaidSo says
The evidence in front of their eyes, Phil. Unless one parent is earning a large salary, it takes two incomes to raise a family. And if a couple want to provide a secure home in which to do same, it may be several years before they can afford time out to start said family.
Denny Abrahamsson says
I have 5 children
dumbledoresasrmy says
That’s a fine family. I’m an Aussie, 54 years old, and I have *four*.
I hope that your children are standing with you, and supporting you in your fight for the restoration of a free Sweden.
Given that you are 71, I assume that by now you also have *grandchildren* to fight for?
dumbledoresasrmy says
I wouldn’t demonise contraception as such, if I were you. I – and I am a Christian matron with four children – would NOT support a blanket ban on all forms of contraception. A politician who proposed it, would not get my vote.
For one thing: there *are* instances where a woman is advised, for sound medical reasons, to avoid conceiving. And I don’t see why couples should not use simple barrier contraception, for example, to avoid finding themselves having a baby every year for twenty years, which *no-one* can afford.. .and which any sensible midwife will tell you is generally not very good for the woman’s health (look up the terms ‘cystocele’ ‘rectocele’ and ‘uterine prolapse’ to discover what repeated childbirths, especially in quick succession so that she does not fully recover from one before she is embarking on the next, can do to a woman; not pretty). The more children a woman has, the likelier it is that her entire pelvic floor will simply… collapse. No sane person would wish that upon anyone.
J D S says
Soon, very soon, Mark my words, just criticizing islam along with its adherents will be punishable with much prison time. Oh one can criticize the Jews, Protestants and Catholics till the cows come home and nothing will be said, but Islam oh no…don’t dare speak of the atrocities found in the teachings in islam..oh no that would be a punishable offence……Stupidness and madness, just madness.
COME JESUS!
Mac-101 says
A true hero. We must stand up to these insane Satanic Globalist. The female prosecutor better read what Islam and Shari Law has in store for HER!
StellaSaidSo says
‘To know who rules over you, look for who you’re not allowed to criticise’ – Voltaire
Rob says
EXACTLY!!!
Westman says
“For att forsta mentaliteten hos muslimska valdtaktsman maste man studera islam.”
Roughly translated: “To understand what is in the mind of a Muslim rapist one must study Islam.”
This 71 year-old man’s comment is about some Muslims in Sweden who ARE also rapists. Yet, associating the two is a “crime” in Sweden.
In the words of Woody Guthrie:
So long(Sweden), it’s been good to know you
So long, it’s been good to know you
So long, it’s been good to know you
There’s a mighty big war that’s got to be won
And we’ll get back together again.
mortimer says
Westman, the good news is that someone has the guts to speak out. Is this rather a sign that Sweden is reaching a turning point?
There is no punishment in Sharia law for raping a KAFIR. A kafir cannot accuse a Muslim in a Sharia court.
Abramsson is CORRECT to connect Islam to rape. Koran 4.24 is a DECREE from Allah permitting the rape of MARRIED captives. No KAFIR woman is out of limits to a jihadist, not even if she is married.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Seems to be a lot of older folks that are seeing the threat of islam. Less of them are poisoned with the mind numbing snowflakery that the younger generations are lapping up.
It may be a turning point, but it may be the corner that takes Sweden fully around the bend.
StellaSaidSo says
You are right about the older generation not being afflicted by ‘mind-numbing snowflakery’. It was the ‘oldies’ in UK – who remember a time when Britain lived by Britain’s rules, not Brussels’ rules – who carried the Brexit vote. But the snowflakes, who never understood what was really at stake, continue to denounce their grand-parents as ‘selfish’. And of course, no supporter of the ‘Remain’ position is ever going to tell the brats that they are wrong.
When gov’ts start perceiving their senior citizens as the enemy, they are encouraging others to do likewise. It is worth noting that the elderly are already a soft target for Muslim criminals.
Westman says
Even Germany recognizes the problem and an entrepreneur as found a way to cash in:
http://www.bitchute.com/video/t9SQGEglx3U/
Sweden, being in the EU, can get these quickly and without tariffs. 😉
Terry Gain says
The district prosecutor, Tove Kullberg, who turned in the complaint, however, has a different opinion. She says that the comments were illegal, but she can’t specify what it is in the comments that has crossed the line according to the law:
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This is incredible. If the charge does not stipulate what words constitute the hate speech how is he supposed to defend himself. Hate speech laws are odious. The only speech which should be illegal is speech which calls for violence. Everyone has a right to criticize an ideology.
mortimer says
Tove Kullberg is WITHOUT EVIDENCE insisting that criticizing a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY is against the law in Sweden.
Rob says
What is amazing is that previously rational nations (nations like Canada, England, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, etc.) are turning against the very democratic principles that gave them a free, safe, high-quality life. The rot creep is apparent even in the U.S. where a large percentage of college students prefer socialism over democracy and violently oppose free speech.
The resistance of older people to Islam is largely due to the fact that older adults have more life experience, have learned to be more cautious and have even taken the time to ACTUALLY READ the Qua-ran.
Today I saw a picture of a young Western woman holding a sign saying that, as a Christian, she loves the Qua-ran. The sad truth is that the poor woman’s words testify to the fact that she understands neither religion.
mortimer says
JUST AS … Denny Abrahamsson said, “I’m noticing that the liberals use CENSORSHIP a lot more when they are UNABLE TO WIN debates.”
And so WHAT have they done? They try to censor him!
Now Abrahamsson will have the opportunity to demonstrate his thesis to a judge. Probably, most of the judges in Sweden are now selected on the basis of “IDEOLOGICAL” suitability… meaning they are insane!
LB says
Aside from being marxist leftists, the Swedish judges prosecute harmless old people because they are unable to convict any actual violent criminals (read: muslim “migrants”), so as to create an illusion for the masses that makes it look like they are actually doing their job.
“Look everyone, we put away a dangerous person off the streets for good! It’s not like we are just setting criminals free and giving them a slap on the wrist.”
Also, it’s a lot easier for the cops to arrest an old harmless man in a (relatively) peaceful neighborhood, than going in warzones like Malmo and Rinkeby and risk getting seriously injured or killed.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Exactly. The islamic gang mentality has made them a hard target. Much easier to round up isolated old men from quiet neighborhoods where no one will open their doors, let alone gather in a crowd and start a riot.
Ron says
Stories like this are far more concerning than any threat that North Korea poses. When your house is already on fire, it’s absurd to spend time worrying about the possibility of losing it to a sinkhole or an earthquake. There is a reason “Freedom of Speach” is the FIRST Amendment of our Bill of Rights here in America.
mortimer says
The First Amendment was adopted in 1791 along with nine other amendments that make up the Bill of Rights—a written document protecting civil liberties under U.S. law. James Madison drafted most of the Bill of Rights.
The Bill of Rights one of the most important philosophical and legal statements in the history of the world.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agreed. It’s Freedom writ large.
Andrew Williams (AndrooUK) says
The order of amendments doesn’t mean anything to its ranking or value. They are supposed to be equally important.
It was actually an amendment, not in the original document, so that says something more about it.
WPM says
“The District Prosecutor Trove Sullberg who turn in the complaint, however, has a different opinion. She says that the comments were illegal ,but she can,t specify what is in the comments that crossed the line according to the law”
In other words we have a feeling you violated the law ,but we {District Prosecutor ,lawyers ,Judges ,Police } cannot put into “words” what words or comments violated our laws .We are upset, you upset a special protected group and we are in the process of making more laws to protect them from what you think. Our feelings as a District Prosecutor over what you said are more important then what is actual the law on the books at this time about what you said. Orwell would have called this character Big Sister ,she could be a lackey for Hitler ,Stalin or and other monster in power. She is a true lackey for Islam another useful idiot who refuses to see the monsters that would enslave her in the end.
mortimer says
Sweden’s government has gone as far as they can go to create a system that prohibits government policy without being SEEN TO BE a totalitarian system.
This case shows that the desire for a TOTALITARIAN THOUGHT-CONTROL STATE is only a few millimeters away from becoming reality in Sweden.
This is a test case for the human right of expressing your views on POLITICS.
WPM says
When the islamics want to get involved in the Sweden,s banking system maybe then they will sing a different tune !
StellaSaidSo says
Sharia-compliant financial services are already available in some Western countries. If not in Sweden yet, they soon will be.
Michael Copeland says
“The District Prosecutor …. can,t specify what is in the comments that crossed the line…”
She can use the UK let-out: “It would be against the public interest to reveal it”.
This was the UK’s response to a Freedom of Information Request concerning Darren Conway, who was jailed for a year for displaying SOMETHING that was “offensive” to muslims.
People can never know what that SOMETHING was.
https://counterjihadreport.com/tag/darren-conway/
Infidel says
The master IRONY of all IRONIES in this regard is that the Swedish authorities WILL NOT ARREST a single hardcore Jehaadi making provocative statements and acts on the streets of the country BUT WILL ARREST A HARMLESS WELL MEANING OLD MAN FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH. Honestly, I do not see any Fcking future for this once idyllic Nordic paradise…
Champ says
Wow this is pure insanity! Seems the Swedish people are doomed unless their leadership takes a stand against evil islam and company. Gosh what will it take? I hope this changes and soon.
dumbledoresasrmy says
Pray for them. Pray for the remnant church – there *is* one.
Pray for deliverance from delusion.
Pray for them throughout the season of Lent, and for all the other nations of what used to be called Christendom.
dumbledoresasrmy says
And pray for *this* man, Abrahamsson. Pray that he will get a good lawyer.
Pray that the Swedish Democrats will pick up on his case – and also Lars Hedegaard’s “Free Press Society” – and that maybe his fellow Swede, Lars Vilks, who had his house burned down by a couple of mohammedan mobsters, because they were ‘offended’ by his art, will step up and stand in his corner and show solidarity, and maybe do some consciousness-raising cartoons to *shame* the Swedish authorities into seeing how crazed they have become, that they are proposing to send a 71-year-old man to jail for two years, for – forsooth – no ‘crime’ other than giving people an accurate description of .. Islam, gained by him from reading.. .nothing but the source text of Islam, in what is no doubt a fair Swedish translation (if anything, probably ‘softened’).
elee says
Can someone kindly tell us how to say “I am Denny Abrahamsson” in Swedish?
If you’re Swedish, wear a pin that says that. If you’re not, email those Swedish words to the nearest embassy or consulate. And if no one can find the Swedish words do it in your own language, that’s what consulates and embassies are for, to communicate with the rest of the world.
dumbledoresasrmy says
Excellent idea.
ALL of us need to do this: put the Swedish authorities on notice that free, decent people in other parts of the western world are *disgusted* by the very idea of putting a 71-year-old man in jail for nothing other than… describing facts.
Karen says
This is very disturbing. None of his postings were translated to English in this article, so it’s not possible to evaluate them. But judging by the interview, this gentleman sounds like the model of rational thought and critical analysis. Even if he were a flame thrower who indulged in some name calling, what of it? This is the horrible legacy of the hate speech laws: they are nothing more than weapons to shut down displeasing discussion.
WPM says
I think is someone here at Jihad Watch would be doing Denny Abrahamsson a great service if they could post a translated English version of his commits here for an American readers at Jihad Watch.
Thanks in Advance
MFritz says
I wonder how many rapes could be stopped… if the police JUST DID THEIR FUCKING JOB INSTEAD!!!
StellaSaidSo says
Exactly. They could have prevented thousands in Rotherham alone if they hadn’t been blinded by political correctness.
WPM says
Stopping rapes by exotic imports of a protected species is hard work, arresting 71 year old retired law abiding taxpaying man for voicing his opinion is easy!
WPM says
In the near future I am expecting to see Islamics seeking new laws on Sweden,s banking system when they get to be a majority in that country if nothing changes in the next 25 years. With importing in and with the many wives they will be having with changes in laws they will out breed the locals. It is only a matter of time if they cancer is not removed or destroyed the host body will die.
WPM says
“if the cancer”
sorry
Alec Rawls says
Sweden is a fascist country. The essence of fascism is the use of force to attack political opposition. This is now state practice in Sweden.
Unbentoak says
Sweden does have a constitution, and in it, there is the following item:
Chapter 2. Fundamental rights and freedoms
Art. 1. Every citizen shall be guaranteed the following rights and freedoms in his relations with the
public institutions:
1. freedom of expression: that is, the freedom to communicate information and express thoughts,
opinions and sentiments, whether orally, pictorially, in writing, or in any other way;
Consequently, I find it hard to believe that the Swedish government can justify their treatment of Denny. If you read the Swedish Constitution, there is not a single article that would apply to this case. He had an opinion; this is permitted under the Swedish Constitution. I wish that the Swedes would wake up and see what is happening to their country.
Mag says
Mosques are the barracks of Islam.
dumbledoresasrmy says
And the arsenal and magazine and the arms-and-explosives factory.
And the recruitment-and-incitement centre (jihad of the tongue and pen).
utis says
I agree with Mr. Abrahamsson’s “live and let live” principle on religion. Still, anybody anywhere on this planet has the right to criticize any religion as long as he is truthful about the issue. If Mr. Abrahamsson is telling the truth about islam’s ugly aspects, he may be hurting someone’s feelings, but he has not just a human right, he has an obligation to tell the truth.
So far this century has been one that should live in infamy forever, just for the relative handful of people who recognize and speak the truth. I hope cowardly government doesn’t jail him.
Lydia Church says
Islam is an evil religion and I will criticize it all day long!
Again, this is what they mean by ‘counter-terrorism’!
It’s all part of the global elitist’s agenda…
leading to the one world religion, government, economy
under antichrist. Those who resist are persecuted and martyred.
It’s all in the Bible.
dumbledoresasrmy says
Who precisely *are* these ‘global elitists’??
Names, please. Specific names. How many of them are there?
At what level of government, media, and academia are people identifiable by you as fully-card-carrying “global elitists”?
How do you tell who is and who isn’t one of Them?
And if you think it’s all predestined and nothing anybody at all tries to do can stop it… why bother posting here, except perhaps to convince everybody to just lie down and put up with it and stop trying tor resist it, and .. wait to be enslaved or killed, and submit meekly to both, for both themselves and everyone around them, and if not killed, live as a slave and wait for the parousia?
At what point does that sort of thing simply become a counsel of despair and surrender?
StellaSaidSo says
Biblical references aside, Lydia Church is absolutely right about the existence of a globalist elite who have the power to manipulate world events to their advantage. The cabal consists of multi-national corporations, the big banks, prominent families (including European royalty), heads of state and former heads of state, and numerous other movers-and-shakers. Their goal is global government under a ‘new world order’. If you want names, you can start with the attendees list for last year’s Bilderberg conference, and the list of winners of the Kalergi Prize.
Larry Lettie says
A most excellent reply.
dumbledoresasrmy says
“multi-national corporations [all of them? most of them? *which* ones? ALL their employees, or only the CEOs?], the big banks [all of them:? most of them? *which* ones? ALL their employees or only the largest shareholders?], prominent families (including European royalty) [the term ‘prominent families’ means absolutely nothing; NAMES, please; I assume you intend to imply that ALL members of all European royal families are card-carrying Plotters-to-Destroy], heads of state and former heads of state [all of them? most of them? some of them?], and numerous other movers-and-shakers [now that *is* very vague]”.
So, in short: *every* person wielding *any* degree of authority throughout the entire western world (or do you extend it beyond the West – how far?) from local government on up? EVERYBODY?
Perhaps I should have asked a different question: who is NOT a member of the Organisation? Who *isn’t* ‘part of the plot’? And.. how do you tell?
StellaSaidSo says
‘Perhaps I should have asked a different question…’
Not necessarily. A polite one would have been enough.
Hugo Hackenbush says
Sounds like we have an ACTUAL political refugee here should he petition to come to the USA.
Tom says
This is exactly where the proponents of the Trudeau government motion M-103 are heading and that is why we Canadians have to oppose m-103 with all lawful options available to us. Because if we don’t stand up to m-103 then it will become law and we Canadians will lose our right to free speech and may be criminalized for merely having an opinion regarding Islam.
Trudeau and his left wing government are an existential danger to free soeech in Canada and must be kicked out of office in 2019.
StellaSaidSo says
You are absolutely right, Tom. M-103 is a precursor to the imposition on Canada of Islamic blasphemy law. Even if M-103 does not become law, it will have the same effect. It is a stick to bash Canadians into submission.
Wellington says
The present insanity of much of the West is on display here in microcosm. Here we have a man who actually speaks the truth about Islam and he is going to be prosecuted for hate speech. This is despicable and anyone thinking that such a prosecution is a good thing is, at best, a fool, at worst, an evil human being.
Most pertinent in all this, aside from freedom being destroyed in one Western nation after another because of the entirely bogus distinction between free speech and hate speech (a big “aside” to be sure), is that no reciprocation of any of this exists in ANY Muslim-majority nation, where free speech does not exist in the first place, non-Muslims are not entitled to equality under the law, women are treated as inferior to men, non-Muslims are in great danger if they preach their faith to Muslims, and on and on and on with Islamic rot along these lines.
Why the West continues bowing before the worst religion ever created by man can only stand as testimony to how foolish man can be often times. Oh yes, show me ANY non-Muslim Westerner defending Islam and I will show you a fool at the very least. No exceptions. Not one damn one.
eduardo odraude says
If I had my way, the district prosecutor, Tove Kullberg, would go to jail for two years for totalitarian behavior and be disbarred permanently from the legal profession. The Swedish state should not only pay all costs to Denny, but should pay massive punitive damages to him. All those government officials involved in the prosecution without trying to stop it should be fired and massively fined and get jail sentences, if possible living with criminals of Islamic background. Yet the nasty Swedish government thugs think themselves superior to others and therefore believe they as the anointed have the right to shut people up by force for criticizing an ideology. Rather like proto-Lenins and the rest of the “enlightened” socialist dictators.
Some Europeans — perhaps especially on the left — sometimes imagine European society to be more “sophisticated” than that of Americans. But what gives the lie to that is the lack of a First Amendment in Europe. Europe has too many censorship laws, because too many leftish Europeans are anything but “sophisticated” and are indeed developmentally challenged when it comes to understanding how essential to civilization is a law like the First Amendment. A foolish journalist on UK’s Channel 4 recently said to Jordan Peterson during the course of an interview that went hugely viral, “what makes you think your right to free speech trumps a trans-gender person’s right not to be offended?” Peterson (who is from Canada and has been threatened with losing his job as a professor because of his refusal to obey new speech laws that would require one to use specified new gender pronouns in certain situations), replied that in order to think, you sometimes need to be able to risk offending people. He pointed out that the interviewing journalist had been doing precisely that to him, Peterson, during the whole interview — being sometimes rather offensive in the course of trying to get to the bottom of things. Peterson added that in that sense, the interviewer was doing her job, and that she should understand why allowing “offensiveness” — a subjective category, after all — is necessary if people are to be able to think. In an earlier interview, in Canada, Peterson went so far as to say he would not give in to threats from his university administration or from parts of the Canadian government telling him to stop offending against the new speech laws. He said that if fined for violating the new speech laws, he would refuse to pay the fine, and if put in jail for refusing to pay, he would go on a hunger strike.
To Peterson’s remark on the subject, I would add that free speech laws like the First Amendment are there precisely to protect “offensive” speech, since other kinds of speech obviously need no protection as no one will try to outlaw speech that no one finds offensive. Yet some Europeans want to ban “offensive” speech, which boils down to controversial speech, or at least speech that the left deems offensive. How clever. Europeans in support of such arrangements are in support of destroying free speech, shutting down anyone with whom they disagree, becoming stupid, and creating the conditions for a totalitarian state. How “sophisticated”.
Here’s the recent viral interview with Jordan Peterson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
Here are some of the interesting reactions to that viral interview:
youtube.com/watch?v=GxtfyG2c38M
Infidel says
Frankly.. Sweden is F-ed royally… and all their own making!!!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Translation of the two comments:
* On March 16, 2017 at. 19:02
! To understand the mentality of Muslim rapists, one has to study Islam. Pedophilia and sexual
In games with toddlers is part of the culture. Many perpetrators do not understand what they are doing wrong, they can’t. laugh at their crimes. The Quran allows to sexually marry non-Muslim women. It is a
‘right as Allah and Muhammad have given them.
On March 16 at. 20:40
Sadly, so many posts about Islam are stopped. There is a fascist ideology in religious cover founded
– one of history’s biggest criminal villains. Muhammad is the 60’s Hitler and his followers have
killing hundreds of millions of people in his ruthless race. The Muslim texts are full of
hatred against Christians and Jews and should be prohibited according to the Law on Hets Against Population. Islam encourages crimes against unfaithful and is an explanation for the increase of crime and rape.
There are violent parts in Old Testament, but the difference is that Christians and Jews do not stone and kill any longer. Muslims believe that their texts and laws apply as much today as 1400 years ago.
[jttadorrätlnd on suspicion »Underrated about the right to defendants (best in FUK 125 observed)
Defendant / Ombud desired Defender Solicitor Handling Conserves the defender as ration lörordnaf
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LeftisruiningCanada says
Doesn’t seem anything to get excited about does it?
At least half of us on here would get arrested under similar conditions. The other half would be shot on sight 😀
dumbledoresasrmy says
I think that google translate or whatever it is can be tidied up a bit.
The passage reading – “Muhammad is the 60’s Hitler and his followers have
killing hundreds of millions of people in his ruthless race” – should probably read “Muhammad is the 6th-century Hitler and his followers have [been]
killing hundreds of millions of people in his ruthless race.”
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes, that works.
dumbledoresasrmy says
From the article – “A few years ago, I also thought of Islam as any other ordinary religion out there, but ever since I read the Qur’an, I was shocked by the hatred that exists within it, the misogyny, the hatred towards the infidels. The more Islam takes over, the more we compromise. Islam is a totalitarian ideology; with it comes dictatorship. So what I’m trying to say is, our democratic system is in danger.”
Just to focus on that first sentence – “A few years ago, I also thought of Islam as any other ordinary religion out there, but ever since I read the Qur’an, I was shocked by the hatred that exists within it, the misogyny, the hatred towards the infidels.”
And note – this bloke is 71. He’s never *had* to worry about Islam before, because he’s spent his life in Sweden. 71 = born in 1947, two years after WWII ended, and 5 years old in 1952, so, a child in the 50s, a teen in the 1960s. And… being 71, he’s showing us that even in old age a person can become curious, can become aware of something dangerous happening… can pick up a book and read, and find out new things.
He’s read the enemy’s book. Now he knows the enemy’s agenda; he can see that the enemy *is* the enemy. And naturally enough he has tried to warn his fellow citizens.
I wonder.. I wonder how many *other* Swedes of various ages are doing just exaclty as he has done? How many have picked up the Quran? What if they then pick up the Sira and start poking about on the internets and find out about the Hadiths? I don’t know that there are Swedish translations of those.. but there *are* English translations, on line as well as in print, and most educated Swedes know English.
Some may well be keeping quieter about what they know, than this man did, and therefore haven’t yet run into trouble with the zealous Defenders of Islam who proliferate all over the western world these days.
If they’re smart, they will ALL quietly join and/ or vote for the Swedish Democrats, and aim to get a big enough share of the vote, to break through the current political ‘fix’ and push for a stop to the hijra, the muslim immigration-invasion.
WPM says
That is why Islam gets upset when the truth comes out .Anyone with half a brain can see Islam is a violent, sexual perverted , cult religion spread by fear and violence. Why some people think you can change violent bullies by being nice to them goes against the common sense a 9 year old child understands.
Mike Crouch says
I can’t imagine a jury convicting him in a trial
But this is Sweden …. no juries in Sweden
dumbledoresasrmy says
A poster above proposed that jihadwatchers should speak up for Denny Abrahamsson. That they should contact the Swedish embassy or consulate in their countries.
I think that is a very good idea. The more people do it the better.
I have just tried to find out whether the Danish Free Press Society has taken note of this case. I couldn’t find out whether they had, but I hope they will.
It can – and should – become a ’cause celebre’.
dumbledoresasrmy says
I wonder what would happen if American, Canadian, and Australian jihadwatchers were to **hold protest rallies**, in defence of Freedom of Speech, outside the Swedish embassies in their respective countries?
To demand that this man be publicly vindicated, and set free, with profuse apologies from the police and everyone else concerned, and – as a poster above suggested – paid *damages* for what he has already been put through.
Might be worth a try.
Denny Abrahamsson says
I am the man from Sweden and I want to thank you all for the warm support. I also want to thank Robert Spencer who is one of my heroes and who was so kind to publish this on Jihad Watch. He has a big heart and I have learned a lot about islam visiting JihadWatch almost on a daily basis. The situation in Sweden is serious with daily rapes, shootings and knifestabbings. Recently a young girl of 12 was raped by an immigrant in a small city and the police know who the scumbag is but they say they have no resources to handle the case. There are more important crimes to take care of. Imagine this poor girl and her mother often meeting that guy on the streets and he openly mocks them and laugh as he knows he is protected. The worst thing in Sweden for many people is to be called a racist. That is one sideeffect of over 50 years of cultural marxism. Some feminists even say they rather be raped by an immigrant than being called a racist. You can lose your job, friends will avoid you and so on. Another case was a woman in Stockholm who was gangraped by 20 men who almost killed her and despite all samples of sperm noone was convicted as the poor woman was looking to buy drugs. So it was her own fault. All this going on in my country makes be both sad and very angry. This ideology who makes men into womenhating monsters is coming from Satan himself but you are not allowed to say that. I dont care if they lock me up, I will not take back one word. They can take their fascist law and shove it up somewhere. My nice country is going to be a shithole.
StellaSaidSo says
Thankyou for your post, Denny Abrahamsson. I am sure I am only one of many JW posters who would like to shake your hand and thank you for your courage in standing up for freedom of speech, against the malignant forces arrayed against our civilisation. What is happening in Sweden is happening throughout the entire Western world; Sweden is what is ahead for all of us if we do not resist. Here in Australia we no longer have freedom of speech. Any criticism of immigration policy, ‘Multiculturalism’, and especially of Islam, will result in accusations of racism, social ostracism, and worse. There are NO GO zones in major cities, Saudi money pours in by the bucket load, and mosques proliferate throughout the country. Muslims are a protected species. Australia could have learned from the bitter experience of Europe – we could have been the life-boat for the Western world – but our governments chose instead to follow the same path to destruction. Your fighting spirit is an inspiration.
dumbledoresasrmy says
Denny – We are all heartened to know, by your case, that not *all* Swedes have been fooled.
I hope that if you have family, that they are ‘on board’ with you. Do you have friends who share your views, but who perhaps have been afraid to speak up?
Are there *any* lawyers in the country who are prepared to take on your case, pro bono? Perhaps ex-Muslim Mona Walters – now a Swedish citizen and married to a Swedish Christian – would be prepared to give evidence on your behalf, to show that what you have said is nothing but the simple truth: an accurate description of the content of the texts and the conduct of the most pious adherents, those who follow Mohammed’s malevolent example most closely. NIccolai Sennels, of Denmark, could perhaps be called upon as well, to give evidence.
Do the Swedish Democrats, and the Denmark-based “Free Press Society”, know of your case? Are they getting ready to speak up on your behalf?
Above, one of our fellow posters proposed that jihadwatchers from *other* countries – e.g. people like myself, from Australia – should contact the Swedish embassies, and make it known that we are *disgusted* with the way in which you are being treated. That we are horrified by – and condemn – Sweden’s suppression of – indeed criminalising of – freedom of speech and freedom of thought. I think this an excellent idea, and will be writing such a letter this very week.
Suebe Hatz says
Sweden is no longer the country it used to be. Once upon a time to visit Sweden was wonderful, now it is turning into a country that the devil has taken control of.
Suebe Hatz says
Why is it that no matter what I write, none of my comments are posted. It would be funny if this one did.
Suebe Hatz says
Unfortunately the only way the liberals will wake up to the take over of the country they live in is to see their rights taking away. Once the plan of the Islam takeover is Sharia law. Then they will find out that they no longer have a voice in what they govern. Freedom will no longer be a way of life. Worship as they do or lose your head.
brenrod says
I am starting to hate the swedes and other euros as well as the muslims… they are catching the same disease and need to be in isolation and quarantine away from us. No more visa free travel with europe either is best… they will only start bringing their plagues here.
patriotliz says
I’m glad that he finally woke up and smelled the Jihad….but it irritates me when the word “conservative” is applied to anything remotely connected to “totalitarianism” as in:
“The liberals have completely lost their way and they have become more conservative, so to speak. I’m noticing that the liberals use censorship a lot more when they are unable to win debates…”.
WRONG!!!! When do Western Conservatives ever want censorship? Words/labels matter. And “Liberals” are not “classical” liberals anymore, they are Leftist (commie socialist) totalitarians just like Islam is Fascistic totalitarians…which is NOT “RIGHT” wing nor “conservatism.” “RIGHT” wing,( if it is to be used vs. “LEFT” wing) means conservatism, freedom-loving, nationalism, patriotic, capitalism, freedom of speech…it’s anti-totalitarianism, anti-Islam, anti-Leftist commies etc.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes, it show which way the propaganda has been running when words like ‘conservative’ have been recast as authoritarian slurs.
The same with the use of ‘fascist’ and ‘nazi’, with them being called ‘right wing’.
They aren’t right wing, but the lefties want them to be.