For years the U.S. has been showering billions upon various entities, hoping to buy their loyalty or at least compliance. We’ve been played for easy marks by the sharpies of the world. President Trump is calling a halt. He is the first President even to threaten to call a halt. This is the first administration to show that intimidation and bullying are no longer currency in the White House.
It's not only Pakistan that we pay billions of dollars to for nothing, but also many other countries, and others. As an example, we pay the Palestinians HUNDRED OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year and get no appreciation or respect. They don’t even want to negotiate a long overdue…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 2, 2018
…peace treaty with Israel. We have taken Jerusalem, the toughest part of the negotiation, off the table, but Israel, for that, would have had to pay more. But with the Palestinians no longer willing to talk peace, why should we make any of these massive future payments to them?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 2, 2018
“Trump threatens stop to Palestinian aid over Jerusalem row,” BBC, January 3, 2018:
The US may stop aid payments to Palestinians who are “no longer willing to talk peace”, President Trump said.
On Twitter, Mr Trump said the United States received “no appreciation or respect” in return for its aid.
He also said his controversial recognition of the contested city of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital took the hugely divisive issue “off the table” for new peace talks.
Palestinians had said the move showed the US could not be a neutral broker.
Soon after Washington’s decision was announced in December, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said he would not accept any US peace plan for the Middle East.
The decision on Jerusalem was also overwhelmingly condemned at the United Nations, where 128 countries voted against Mr Trump’s fulfilment of a campaign promise.
The US president was following up earlier comments about aid payments to Pakistan, in which he said the US had received only “lies and deceit” in exchange for billions of dollars in aid.
Jerusalem is one of the world’s most contested sites.
Israel claims the whole of the city as its capital. The Palestinians want East Jerusalem, occupied by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war, to be the capital of a future Palestinian state.
Mr Trump, however, decided to formally recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, despite being warned it could cause unrest in the region.
He also said he would move the US embassy there from Tel Aviv, where all other nations have their consulates.
For the Palestinians, Mr Abbas said: “The United States has proven to be a dishonest mediator in the peace process.”
He also called Jerusalem the “eternal capital of the state of Palestine”.
How did the Palestinians respond to Mr Trump’s threat to cut aid?
Angrily. A Twitter feed of the governing Palestine Liberation Organisation accused Mr Trump of sabotaging their “search for peace”.
What kind of aid does the US send to Palestinians?
Mr Trump’s tweets followed remarks from Nikki Haley, the US envoy to the United Nations, in which she said the US would stop contributing to the UN’s relief agency for Palestinian refugees.
The agency runs education, health, and social programmes. The United States is its largest governmental donor, handing over almost $370m (£270m) in 2016.
Speaking at a news conference, Ms Haley said: “The president has basically said that he doesn’t want to give any additional funding, or stop funding, until the Palestinians are agreeing to come back to the negotiation table.”…
D Austin says
The English word Philistine and the modern term Palestine come from Old French Philistin, from Classical Latin Philistinus. These modern-day Philistines and their ancestors never had a claim to Jerusalem.
Troybeam says
spot on.
Charles T Lawson says
DITTO,
DogOnPorch says
Alexander the Great finished off the remaining Philistines in the twin sieges of Tyre and Gaza. Longggggg ago.
Troybeam says
The United States should stop all funding to the Middle East with the exception of Israel, our nation has sunk more than enough money into these nations that hate us, want to destroy us and for what? Nothing shows for the amount of monies we have given, we have enough Military personal that need help, was promised help and all that money can go to them as promised.
p bay says
But, it all goes for weapons to kill Christians… –BHO
brane pilot says
It has been so long since the world has seen anything from the USA except buffoonery, incompetence and appeasement that it is perceived as shocking and alarming.
It is long overdue.
p bay says
BHO is out the front door now..Those are his qualities
p bay says
I still hear that stupid simple minded muslim pumping sharia in the back door in my nightmares
Billy Chickens says
You can’t see me right now but I’m jumping up and down clapping my hands shouting HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY! AT LAST!
BTW I thank God every night for President Donald Trump. Did you know that way back when Ronald Reagan was with us he asked Donald Trump to consider running for president. Trump declined because at the time he was getting a divorce from Ivana and knew he couldn’t win because of bad press against him.
Thank God for Twitter. I’m just waiting for Twitter to block him one day…they wouldn’t do that would they? Could they?
eduardo odraude says
Legally they perhaps could. But for business- and other reasons they never would.
CRUSADER says
Time for a Conservative Twitter to be formed.
Widen and Protect Conservative Speech/Screech.
Call it “Screecher” ….as in Screamin’ Eagles!
CURRAHEE !
Professor Hale says
It already exists, it’s called Gab.
Wakeup says
Massive infrastructure spending needed, veterans hospitals, a helping hand up of student loan forgiveness to young Americans, tax relief, help to American homeless, teachers pay a million things to spend money on.
I am not an American and I am praying for you to do this why does America empower it’s enemies they have no automatic right to this money these people want you dead.
Go for it Mr Trump go for it.
dumbledoresarmy says
Exactly. If the US stops throwing good money after bad; if they STOP giving ‘aid’ by the millions to assorted vicious and corrupt mohammedan entities whether state (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, **Saudi Arabia!!*, you-name-it) or non-state (the so-called ‘Palestinian authority’, infinitely-corrupt, and the egregious jihad-enabling UNRWA), all of that money can be used either to help clear America’s debts or on American soil for the benefit of Americans.. *I* would redirect some of it as ‘seed money’, to help *build* America; to help ordinary struggling NON-MUSLIM Americans, whether black white or brindle, whether First Nations, ‘white’ American, black-American, Hispanic, whatever, to get little businesses going, or to get their farms or trades back on track; because to truly make America great you need to remember what the Zionists did in Israel (where they began with nothing, in a landscape ruined by centuries of Muslim warfare, misrule, rapacity and neglect) and start **from the ground up**.
Peter says
I’ve said many times look at what Israel has done with the land there. If the “Palestinians” had the land the place would be a third world dump.
gravenimage says
Exactly. There is a reason that Israel is known as the “Green Zone”. The same is not true for any of the surrounding Muslim areas.
p bay says
$10,000 welfare a month to a newly arrived never will work muslim family of 14, vets freezing on the streets, liberals suing Christians over cakes, and sanctuary cities protecting rapists. Last time I ever vote for a libtard…
Carolyne says
Only today I was talking with a woman who has been supplying warm hats, blankets, etc. to homeless veterans living under bridges. This is a disgrace while we send money to barbarians in Pakistan and to others who want us dead. The Palestinians do not deserve one cent from us nor does any other group which has at its goal the destruction of our country/ We need to stop all of this bribery at once. It doesn’t work and only empowers them.
RichardL says
man, I am loving this guy more and more. Please stop the US-tax-payer funding for the killing of Jews by Muslims already
dumbledoresarmy says
RichardL – *write to him*. Send a letter to the US President, at the White House, identifying yourself as a European – state your homeland – and in it, say exactly what you just said here, slightly changed from the third to the second person – “man, I am loving you more and more. Please stop the US-tax-payer funding for the killing of Jews by Muslims already.”
Coming from a German non-Jew, your words will have historic *weight*.
If EVERY person here on Jihadwatch who agrees that American – and other! – ‘aid’ to the so-called ‘Palestinians’ should STOP, like, already, were to contact Trump and/ or the American Ambassador in their respective countries, and state their total support for the idea of STOPPING THE JIZYA to the damned ‘Palestinian’ (sic) Arab Muslims, ASAP, it might have some effect.
Are there enough of us to make a parade? Half of leadership is finding a parade and putting yourself in front of it; let Trump know that there is a HUGE parade out there, comprising not only Americans but many, many other citizens of the free western world… and not a few people from *beyond* ‘the west’, as well, notably in India.
Northern Virginiastan says
UNRWA = UN Rocket Warehousing Authority
LeftisruiningCanada says
http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=27437
It’s starting to happen!
LeftisruiningCanada says
“For the Palestinians, Mr Abbas said: “The United States has proven to be a dishonest mediator in the peace process.”
Unlike himself, who has no desire to destroy Israel. Honest!
” A Twitter feed of the governing Palestine Liberation Organisation accused Mr Trump of sabotaging their “search for peace”.
Which is perfectly true, since their idea of ‘peace’ obviously requires that Israel and every Jew alive there be destroyed.
The way these evil people twist language and meaning is quite bizarre…and a little frightening. That this guy can come out and say that the President of the USA is a bad man for opposing their openly declared wish to commit genocide, and been taken seriously because of the assumptions he knows we in the west attach to his use of the word ‘peace’ is frankly like listening to a conversation with a mental patient.
(no offense intended to mental patients in general.)
Guy Forester says
Stop the money now, Mr. President. This has gone on long enough.
dumbledoresarmy says
Guy – tweet, or email, or best of all, *write*, on paper, to the President of the USA, saying exactly that.
If you are an American citizen, copy your remarks to your Senator and Congressperson, urging them to forward the matter in Senate and Congress.
Every cent that *isnt* spent on the insatiable and infinitely-corrupt ‘Palestinian Authority’ – which uses for jihad whatever is not spent feathering the nests of the greedy kleptocrat thugs on top – is a cent that could be doing much more good *at home* on American soil, benefiting, for example, needy veterans, or fixing up damaged and ageing infrastructure that needs to be in good shape if America is to start doing business properly again.
guest says
Or just not be taxed from the people who actually earned it in the first place!
DogOnPorch says
Cut them off. They followed a Nazi…then a terrorist…now Abbas and Hamas…not our kind of people.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
savage mad devil Trump is now confused due to defeat his evîl united states suffered at thé UN. Thé mad slave of fascist evîl zionist state of Israel signed à document to bring palestinian state to an end, which has no any effect Under international law, and now talking about palestinian lack of Will for peace with his evîl Masters and threatening thé stoppage ofevil united states’s aid assistance to palestinian state he has rejected.may be unknown to this savage madman, thé palestinians have even stopped consuming American products.
Wellington says
You sure do love that word, “evil,” Ibrahim. Do you get how use of that word ad nauseam by you to describe the polities which are America and Israel, where far, far more freedom exists for all, including Muslims, as opposed to the great dearth of freedom for all but Muslims in the 56 nations where Islam dominates, conveys just how dense, ignorant, stupid, ungrateful and clueless you are, never mind your managing to be a parody of yourself?
Yeah, do you get any of this? Of course you don’t, which is why I say don’t stop posting here at JW because in your own special way you contribute to a great cause, that being the continued denigration and contempt for the worst religion ever created by man. Yes, you’re doing your “bit” in this regard and I can only hope you continue to do so.
Hint: I’m not talking about Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Confucianism, Taoism, et al. here. Gee, I wonder if you can guess which religion I am referencing. You know, the one founded by a psychopathic and narcissistic man, with an horrendously silly, malevolent and mind-numbingly repetitive holy book, which religion is parasitical to the last degree, which oozes ungraciousness and contempt for liberty in every ugly pore of its theology, etc. Yeah, and by gosh, golly gee and all that, do you “get” which religion I’m talking about?
Should I be wrong may Allah strike me dead tonight. Talk with you soon again, Ibrahim.
gravenimage says
Wellington, Ibrahim itace muhammed uses the word evil all the time, but never applies to “marrying” children, raping Infidels and using them as sex slaves, mass murdering unbelievers, and committing genocide against the Jews.
As a good Muslim, he considers all of those things to be “good”. *Ugh*.
gravenimage says
The appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
savage mad devil Trump is now confused due to defeat his evîl united states suffered at thé UN. Thé mad slave of fascist evîl zionist state of Israel signed à document to bring palestinian state to an end, which has no any effect Under international law, and now talking about palestinian lack of Will for peace with his evîl Masters and threatening thé stoppage ofevil united states’s aid assistance to palestinian state he has rejected.may be unknown to this savage madman, thé palestinians have even stopped consuming American products.
………………………….
Actually, there is no Palestinian State, so it cannot be ended. How ignorant *is* Ibrahim itace muhammed?
And of course the “Palestinians” have no desire for peace. The charters of both Fatah and Hamas call for the destruction of Israel.
Ibrahim itace muhammed himself has called for the destruction of Israel, and the genocide of the Jews.
As for American products, the main American product “Palestinians” are using is our money, which they use to attack Israel. If they stop consuming that, I am more than happy.
dumbledoresarmy says
“..thé palestinians have even stopped consuming American products..”.
Then they should pull the plugs on their internet connections – the internets being largely a US invention – and *also* cancel all their FB accounts and Twitter feeds!!!
gravenimage says
Sounds good to me, DDA.
Carolyne says
Well, Ibrahim, the answer to the UN problem is to stop giving them one dime and to eject them from my country. How dare you snakes take our money and try to destroy us. Are you insane to think we are going to put up with this any longer? Go back to the desert where you belong and pound sand. See if it is edible because my tax money will not support you much longer.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes yes, the evil USA for not wanting Israel to cease existing, how terrible.
So, where’s that mithra thing you were talking about?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I’m going to state my position on the Trump/Bannon fallout early. It’s a risky thing to do but here goes:
Steve Bannon has been talking about the threats of globalism, Chinese imperialism and Mohammadism for decades. Even before Trump decided to run Bannon was brought in to bring Trump up to speed. Bannon has never attacked Trump directly; this is about the people around the President. The President responded with an ‘argumentum ad hominem’ directed at Bannon.
Compared to Steve Bannon, President Trump is a mere flavour of the month; a Johnny-Come-Lately. Knowing what I know, ten times out of ten I will side with Bannon because his convictions are aligned with mine and he has proven them over time. Having said that, I hope that both of them succeed in their programs.
StellaSaidSo says
Fair points, Flavius, esp re Bannon proven expertise on globalism etc. I wonder if this sh*tstorm has been contrived to distract attention from something else?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“I wonder if this sh*tstorm has been contrived to distract attention from something else?”
You’ve got a good point. It wouldn’t be the first time, if it was.
gravenimage says
Trump: Palestinians unwilling to talk peace, so “why should we make any of these massive future payments to them?”
………………….
Hear, hear, President Trump!
dumbledoresarmy says
Dear Gravenimage – tweet him or write to him or email him or phone his staffers and **tell him so”*.
gravenimage says
I do write, Dumbledore’s Army.
And while it is important for Americans to write, I think support from allies like Australians would not not be remiss, either.
underbed cat says
Hamas and it’s leaders are hard at work in the Palestinian territory with the perpetual cry of being a victim of Israel and western powers with their weekly Friday protests as I hear when the camera’s arrive.
I am grateful for our actually very “sane president” who has the information and instincts not to carry on with this charade. Thank you President Trump….for considering stopping the aid to the terrorist leaders, they, Hamas, raise money for terror, now Hamas can feed their citizens and stop the hate for Israel.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Wellington, you mean freedom given to Americans to soak thé bloods of other nations by unfair economic relations líke “withdraw incentives to your industries “and “allow American products to dominate your markets “,that Will lead to closure of industries in those nations ? or freedom given to zionists by evil Talmud to slaughter palestinians on daily basis and they are not accountable for It before their father the Satan ?
Sharyati says
But Ibrahim what about the evil Quran?? For exampe the “Verse of the Sword” in it? What about the commandments to cease and kill and enslave the kafirs/ Mushrikoon/Munafiqus in it? What about the permission of owning Kafir women as “Milk-Al-Yamin” or “What the right hand posses”, what about the Quranic verse where Dhimmis need to pay the Jizya with “Willing Submission”. What about “Al waala wal Baara”? These have not come from Satan?
Carolyne says
Uh….Ibrahim, you have no industries. Your only industry is hate and it has not accomplished anything. Muslims do not nor have they ever contributed anything worthwhile to mankind. As Winston Churchill said, they are lazy and devote their time to sensual pleasures rather than even producing their own food. You know that label on the food you eat every day which says, “Gift from the US?” Well, its over. Santa Claus has determined that you are a bad boy and you will get no gifts anymore. America is awakening to the evil that is Islam and your time is fast dying.
gravenimage says
Good post, Carolyne.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed understands nothing about economics. Offering superior products is not “soak thé bloods of other nations by unfair economic relations”. People can either buy American products, or those there can create better products.
This has happened in many places–most notably Japan. In fact, the rivalries between Japanese and American companies has benefited not just the citizens of these two nations, but of the whole world.
Other productive nations are Canada, Australia, New Zealand, those in Europe, South Korea, Taiwan, and Israel, among others.
The only thing holding back Muslim nations is Islam. If you reject reason, innovation, and productive labor, you are not apt to get very far…
CRUSADER says
Mr Irritates is at it again….
…this time he wants to be Wellington’s Waterloo….
It’s called free will! That’s what fair trade is about.
Make better trade negotiations. But then it’d take a capacity farther beyond
the “…it is written…” mindset.
Read the book by Alan Dershowitz on “The Case FOR Israel”
for further illumination on what is actual regarding “palestinians” and their basis for complaint.
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gravenimage says
+1
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Satan (holy spirit) worshiper Gravenimage, palestinians are no longer interested in poisonous money from evil united states. Tell savage mad devil Trump to use it to settle sex scandal lawsuit. It is Abbas Who have been subservient to evil united states using this poisonous money to fight proxy war against Hamas on behalf of fascist evîl zionist state of Israel. stop giving him the money .we are more than happy.
LeftisruiningCanada says
We’ll see about that when it stops.
I’m expecting a world of complaint and condemnation, fort all quarters, about how uncaring and genocidal is the USA for withholding the expected welfare support.
It’s really funny how you say that everyone, apart from yourself, is under the influence of the evil zionist mossad usa zionist evil magic hoodoo voodoo cable to destroy the innocent and perfect muslims.
Any other leaders of islamic nations on the payroll?
And, do you have your mithra reply ready?
gravenimage says
Oh, if it happens there will be *lots* of Muslim whining.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Satan (holy spirit) worshiper Gravenimage, palestinians are no longer interested in poisonous money from evil united states.
……………………………..
Well, that’s just great. Let’s cut off Pakistan and every other Muslim hell hole, as well.
More:
Tell savage mad devil Trump to use it to settle sex scandal lawsuit.
……………………………..
Actually, there is no lawsuit against President Trump.
This is ludicrous coming from Ibrahim itace muhammed, in any case–someone who has affirmed his support for child “marriage”, the rape of Infidels in Jihad, and keeping sex slaves.
More:
It is Abbas Who have been subservient to evil united states using this poisonous money to fight proxy war against Hamas on behalf of fascist evîl zionist state of Israel. stop giving him the money .we are more than happy.
……………………………..
I guess Ibrahim itace muhammed does not realize how much of that money has gone to fund Jihad against Israel. Just as well…
dumbledoresarmy says
I wonder whether the mohamedan ‘ibrahim itace mohammed’ knows that – except in the eyes of those persons who are blinded by self-hatred or by hatred of ‘america’ or ‘the west’ – every sentence he types is such as to expose himself as a purveyor of ugly gibberish, like the babbling of the demonic giants in the lower circles of Dante’s Hell?
His postings show us what Islam does to the human soul. It ain’t a pretty sight. Terms like ‘demonic possession’ begin to come to mind.
gravenimage says
Exactly, DDA.
Ibrahim itace muhammed thinks he is “defending” Islam–instead, he regularly exposes its utter savagery.
His posts offer a glimpse into the diseased Muslim mindset. It’s not pretty–but it is *very* instructive.
GPT says
Seems Trump is starting to get into gear
dumbledoresarmy says
A propos the subject of Ibrahim Itace Muhammed our current most egregious Mohammedan troll, and also on the subject of the so-called ‘palestinian’ Arab Musilms, whether Fatah or Hamas or Islamic Jihad or whatever other outfit they belong to, there was an astute Jew in Israel called A Carlebach who wrote unforgettably about the mindset that Islam produces; the ruin that it wreaks on the human soul, on societies and even on the earth itself, wherever it prevails.
As brought to our notice *twelve* years ago at this website, by Mr Spencer’s friend Hugh Fitzgerald.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/05/fitzgerald-edward-said-hoist-by-his-own-petard.html
“…The relentless Jihad against Israel — against, rather, any Infidel sovereign state within the Dar al-Islam — always included imposition of the Shari’a as part of its intended goal.
“Imposition of the Shari’a was, in fact, demanded as early as 1920 by a group of Arab notables in the former Ottoman territories that were quite properly assigned to Mandatory Palestine (i.e. all of Western Palestine, while Eastern Palestine went to form part of the Emirate of Transjordan).
“Nor was there any doubt that the attempt to keep Jews out of the area was a Jihad directed at Infidels throughout the Mandatory period; curiously, it was some British officers, rather than the Palestinian Jews, who recognized the Islamic grounds for opposition to the Jews and the restoration of a Jewish Commonwealth.
“It is also true that a few Israelis, early in the history of the state, had the wit to recognize the problem.
“One of these was Dr. A. Carlebach, whose analysis published in Ma’ariv (Oct. 7, 1955) would have been lost to history, one suspects, but for the fact that it is reprinted, amusingly and quite uncomprehendingly, in Edward Said’s preposterous “The Question of Palestine.”
‘Fortunately for us, Said often provided quotes from various European and Zionist sources that are so deadly, so convincing, particularly in the light of all we have learned about Islam over the past few years, that as works of propaganda they no longer serve their purpose.
‘Here is what Said quoted from Carlebach, and what Said obviously thought it was self-evidently absurd, but we read it now with quite a different frame of mind:
“These Arab Islamic countries do not suffer from poverty, or disease, or illiteracy, or exploitation; they only suffer from the worst of all plagues: Islam.
“Wherever Islamic psychology rules, there is the inevitable rule of despotism and criminal aggression.
“The danger lies in Islamic psychology, which cannot integrate itself into the world of efficiency and progress, that lives in a world of illusion, perturbed by attacks of inferiority complexes and megalomania, lost in dreams of the holy sword.
“The danger stems from the totalitarian conception of the world, the passion for murder deeply rooted in their blood, from the lack of logic, the easily inflamed brains, the boasting, and above all: the blasphemous disregard for all that is sacred to the civilized world…their reactions — to anything — have nothing to do with good sense.
“They are all emotion, unbalanced, instantaneous, senseless. It is always the lunatic that speaks from their throat.
“You can talk ‘business’ with everyone, and even with the devil. But not with Allah…
“This is what every grain in this country [that is, Israel – dda] shouts. There were many great cultures here, and invaders of all kinds. All of them — even the Crusaders — left signs of culture and blossoming. But on the path of Islam, even the trees have died…”.
(When I first read that passage, there was a typo in it – ‘tries’ instead of ‘trees’ – which, with my very poor eyesight reading grey print on grey background, I read as *flies*. It works just as well if one reads it as ‘flies… though perhaps not entirely accurate, flies – especially those that feed upon dead things – no doubt multiply merrily in the dar al Islam – dda).
dumbledoresarmy says
Pursuant to my posting above, here is the rest of that passage from Carlebach’s 1955 ‘Ma’ariv’ article; which I would *dearly like* to read in its entirety. Because it bears precisely upon the situation of Israel.
“…We pile sin upon crime when we distort the picture and reduce the discussion to a conflict of border between Israel and her neighbors.
“First of all, it is not the truth.
“The heart of the conflict is not the question of the borders; it is the question of Muslim psychology…..
“Moreover, to present the problem as a conflict between two similar parts is to provide the Arabs (sic: Muslims – dda) with the weapon of a claim that is not theirs.
“If the discussion with them is truly a political one, then it can be seen from both sides.
“Then we appear (note: *appear*: because in fact any sensible historically-informed person, such as the Native Canadian activist and Friend of Zion Ryan Bellerose, can see that the Jews are as authentic a middle-eastern ethnos as the Arabs or the Copts, despite many of them having been historically displaced from their traditional homeland to which they remained indissolubly attached and to which numbers among them perpetually attempted to return while others of them never left at all and hung on in it by teeth and toenails despite the misery of dhimmitude; that it is the Jews who are the indigenes in eretz Yisroel and the mainly-Arab Muslims who are the imperialists invaders and occupiers – dda) as those who came to a country that was entirely Arab, and we conquered and implanted ourselves as an alien body among them, and we loaded them with refugees and constitute a military danger for them, etc. etc. …one can justify this or that side–and such a presentation, sophisticated and political, of the problem is understandable for European minds–at our expense.
“The Arabs (sic: the Musilms – dda) raise claims that make sense to the Western understanding of simple legal dispute.
“But in reality, who knows better than us that such is not the source of their hostile stand?
“**All those political and social concepts are never theirs**.
“**Occupation by force of arms, in their own eyes, in the eyes of Islam, is not all associated with injustice. To the contrary, it constitutes a certificate and demonstration of authentic ownership.** (nota bene – dda; and one must remember that the *entire planet* is targeted by the Jihad; Muslims intend to conquer, occupy, and domineer over the *whole of planet earth and every person on it* – dda).
“The sorrow for the refugees, for the expropriated borders, has no room in their thinking Allah expelled, Allah will care.
“Never has a Muslim politician been moved by such things (unless, indeed, the catastrophe endangered his personal status). If there were no refugees and no conquest, they would oppose us just the same.”
The final sentence is important – “If there were no refugees and no conquest (and remember, this was written in *1955* when Muslim Jordan ruled over a Judenrein ‘East Jerusalem” from which every Jew had been driven out of the historic Old City Jewish quarter and the 48 synagogues dynamited, and no Jew from anywhere was permitted by the Muslims to set foot in any part of it, ever) they would oppose us just the same”.
The Jew-hatred that pullulates amongst the Ummah, the mohammedan mob, is hardwired into the Islamic founding texts; Muslims, taught by those texts to hate and despise and attack Jews, were hating, attacking, robbing, raping, force-‘converting’ and mass-murdering the dhimmi Jews within the dar al Islam, for over a thousand years before ever the Jews managed to regain sovereignty in a part of eretz Yisroel. If Israel vanished from the earth tomorrow Jews everywhere else in the world would *still* be attacked by Muslims, and murdered by Muslims, and hated by Muslims.. why? for being Infidels; for being *Jewish* Infidels, to boot.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Great, thanks for all that.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Dumbledore’s Army.
Anne Smith says
Hoorah for President Trump.
If only we had a few politicians with his honesty and commons sense here in UK. Not much hope of stopping our nonsensical and huge foreign aid with the foolish Teresa May in charge.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Dumbledoresarmy, we have been reading such gabages from evil Jews. But the fact still remains, the palestinians are entitled to own thé portion given to them under a multilatéral treaty contained in UN résolution No. 181 and reenforced in Résolutions No.241 and 242,which fascist evil zionist state of Israel or its slave state thé evîl united states cannot alter by their domestic laws no matter how they try.
Historically, the whole land including Israelites’portion, has been known as Palestine and palestinian
ancestors had been there before Abraham the ancestor of Israelites. Thé only basis for jewish claim of exclusive ownership of the whole land, expelling palestinians ,is that God gave them thé land and commanded them to erase Those They met, which are brunches of lies théy wrote with their own hands and attributed them to God Who is just.
on the issue of Killing thé Jews and matreating them by Muslims ,can you cite any cogent and irréfutable historical evidence when Muslims carried out genocidal killings of the Jews apart from those were tried and found guilty of treachery in breach of treaty of peaceful co-existance they voluntarily signed ? Remember, Christian Byzantines expelled Jews from Jérusalem uptil when Muslims sacked Byzantines, Jews were allowed to Come back. Again, thé crusaders carried out genocidal killings of Jews together with Muslims that led some Jews Who remained to fleed into diaspora .Later, when some migrated to spain, thé church rulers of spain issued à religious decree that Muslims and Jews convert to filthy christianity or be kiłled. many Jews were kiłled and thé rest fled to Turkey and sought refuge from muslim rulers of ottoman Turks, which was granted ,and jewish community assimilated into Turkish society uptil today. when Jews concentrated in Christian West, Christians led hate campaigns against them where more than 6 millions were kiłled in Germany alone and another 7 millions kiłled in other parts of christiendom.
thus, contrary to your claim, It is filthy mithraist Christians Who have been promoting hatred against them. I return ,thé evîl Jews shift thé blâme to muslims and Arab whom they despise
Chand says
Yes, Ibrahim, as far as I can understand your English, I agree that Christians are guilty of genocide against the Jews. German ‘Christians’ did kill six million and many millions have been killed by European Christians over the centuries.
Muslims too have oppressed and killed Jews recently but I don’t think any of those have come close to the organized massacre of Jews under Hitler and the terrifyingly efficient Germans.
LeftisruiningCanada says
But do the Christian scriptures tell us to kill Jews?
Would you say that allah gave muslims the lands they conquered?
Why is that different, and how would you prove that the OT was faked?
Mithra, please.
dsinc says
Ibrahim, read the book “In Ishmael’s House” by the late Sir Martin Gilbert. That the Jews survived the 1400 years of Muslim genocidal attempts to wipe them out is miraculous. The book “From Time Immemorial” by Joan Peters explains how Arabs from neighboring countries flooded into the area to work for Jewish businesses being started there. These Arab workers did not call themselves “Palestinians” Why not? The Palestine flag was the Star of David. Why? The Palestine Post was a Jewish newspaper. Why? These Arab workers from Jordan and other Arab countries did not know that they were “Palestinians” until Yasser Arafat came along.
Your absurd fiction just shows how Islam can addle the brain. Islam is a mental problem.
StellaSaidSo says
Ibrahim IM is living proof that Islam is a mental problem.
Good post, dsinc.
Kirk D. Smith says
And this has relevance today because . . . .
gravenimage says
This from Ibrahim itace muhammed is ludicrous.
He *himself* has said that he seeks the destruction of Israel, and looks forward to taking part in the genocide of the Jews.
Yitz says
Ignorant ibraham there never were arabs or. What you call palistinians before abraham.by the way you use the word evil so much.maybe because its easy to spell.
dumbledoresarmy says
The reality is that the vast majority of the so-called ‘Palestinian’ Arabs are Muslims, and so long as they remain Muslims, there. will. be. no. peace, not in the non-Muslim sense of the word ‘peace’.
Muslims DO NOT make permanent peace with non-Muslims – they cannot, because their cult requires them to wage perpetual war – a total war, using not only open warfare but demographic warfare, immigration-jihad, propaganda, fraud, propaganda, nonsense-and-lies, bribery-and-corruption, every method known unto man – until all of humanity has been either killed or enslaved (whether as Muslims or as dhimmi serfs). They will make a hudna, a ‘truce-treaty’, modelled on Mohammed’s ‘Treaty of Hudaybiyya’, if they feel themselves temporarily weak vis a vis an Infidel opponent; but they wil break that treaty the *instant* they feel strong enough to go back in for the kill. THAT is why all ‘peace processing’ between Mohammedan parties and non-Mohammedan parties goes NOWHERE – whether between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, between Israel and the so-called ‘palestinian’ arab muslims and other Arab Muslim states, or between Thailand and assorted Muslim ‘militant’ groups, or between the Philippines and the so-called ‘moros’ of Mindanao and parts south-away. NOWHERE. The jihad never ends; the hudnas are made and used – and *broken* at will – for Muslim advantage.
The sooner that all infidel sovereign states get this through their heads – and the sooner that their *militaries* also understand this – the better. The only thing that stops Islam in its tracks is brute force, repeatedly applied until the jihadis back off; and then the Infidels must remain strong, willing and able to reapply brute force, as necessary.
Best not to get entangled in ‘deals’ with Muslims, because deceit of some kind – *malevolent deceit* – eventually suffuses all of their dealings with Infidels. Various kinds of Infidels have, in the past, been tempted to deceive the deceivers or make use of them in some way; best not to get into the game-playing at all… just …keep the b*st*rds at arms’ length, or at spears’ length.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agreed.
When you idea of a perfect man, ordained by your god who commands you copy him, is one who taught deceit and all styles of lying, including with regards to peace deals and especially with non muslims, how can reasonable dealing be carried on?
I really don’t see how trust can be built under these circumstances, at any level.
Ralph says
And Trumpis supposed to be crazy?