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UK government admits it has lost track of hundreds of jihadis from Britain fighting in Syria and Iraq

Jan 6, 2018 9:56 am By Robert Spencer

You can’t really fault the British government for this. You have to have some understanding. The British authorities are devoting an enormous amount of resources to tracking real threats such as “Islamophobic hate speech”; they can’t be bothered with trivialities such as the whereabouts of battle-hardened, committed jihad mass murderers.

“Government admits it has lost track of hundreds of British jihadis in Syria and Iraq fighting for extremist groups such as ISIS,” by Richard Spillett, Mailonline, January 5, 2018:

The whereabouts of hundreds of Britons in the Middle East fighting for jihadist groups is unknown, the security minister has admitted.

Around half of the estimated 850 people from the UK who went to Syria and Iraq have returned home, but Ben Wallace said the Government ‘don’t know where’ those still in the region are.

Many have been killed in fighting, some are returning to Turkey, but it is unclear whether others are now living, he admitted.

Mr Wallace denied that the authorities had ‘lost track’ of the suspected terrorists, adding: ‘They went into a very hard part of Syria to reach into the Euphrates valley and then were dispersed from there.’

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: ‘What we do know is about half have come back to the United Kingdom of the original 850-odd that went out of concern.

‘About 15% to 20% we think have died out there either in military action, and at the moment we are seeing in dribs and drabs some of them coming into Turkey, maybe some of them trying to get back to us here, but there’s a significant number that at the moment it is hard to actually tie down exactly where they are.’…

A fierce debate has raged about how to deal with the estimated 360 battle-hardened jihadis who have returned to Britain after fighting with Islamic State in Syria and Iraq and the ones who may come back now after the fall of the so-called caliphate.

Terror law watchdog Max Hill QC caused a storm earlier this month when he said ‘naïve’ teenagers should be allowed to reintegrate into society, while Foreign Office Minister Rory Stewart said most followers of IS’s ‘hateful doctrine’ posed a ‘serious danger’ to the UK and should be killed.

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  1. StellaSaidSo says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 10:01 am

    Such a relief to know that the UK govt has its priorities right! Who cares about hundreds of battle-hardened Islamo-lunatics rampaging around the countryside when you’ve got mean tweets to deal with?

    • mortimer says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 12:06 pm

      Agree with Stella. Their PRIORITY IS ABSURD. UK is not huge and it should be fairly easy to track the jihadists. They should all wear GPS bracelets.

      The UK needs an equivalent of the First Amendment.

      • StellaSaidSo says

        Jan 6, 2018 at 12:16 pm

        I like the idea of the GPS bracelets, mortimer. Or just one – the wall around a high-security prison, with all of the vermin locked up inside. There is no excuse for the UK govt ‘losing’ these people, nor for their apparent lack of concern about the matter. Theresa the Appeaser is a disaster.

      • Yokel says

        Jan 6, 2018 at 4:18 pm

        NO. What the UK Government needs is to decide NOT to fete the Islamists, and instead to support the British. No law change will help while we have traitors embedded in the permanent Civil Service at the Foreign and other departments. Talk about a Swamp!!

        Take a look at:
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jul/30/labour.religion
        and
        https://www.policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/when-progressives-treat-with-reactionaries-jul-06.pdf

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 6, 2018 at 11:13 pm

        Just don’t let them back in.

        • Burl says

          Jan 7, 2018 at 11:20 am

          Indeed, why should anyone who immigrates be allowed to travel back to their old country without losing their citizenship period?

      • IanB says

        Jan 7, 2018 at 5:34 am

        What we really need in the UK, Mortimer, is an equivalent of the Second Amendment.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 4:08 pm

      Ha yes, Mr Spencer’s first paragraph said it all.

  2. mike9a says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 10:13 am

    Yeah, bacon cases, priority no1! Alert code: red! Lets build our portfolio: solved!

  3. Michael Copeland says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 10:37 am

    Foreign Office Minister Rory Stewart spoke of “IS’s ‘hateful doctrine’”.
    Does the IS doctrine differ from Islam’s doctrine?
    The Minister needs to be asked.

    • StellaSaidSo says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 10:51 am

      And to be told, if he doesn’t already know, that they are the same doctrine. As the vile Erdogan correctly stated, ‘there is no moderate Islam’.

  4. DFD says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 11:55 am

    “…but it is unclear whether others are now living, he admitted…”

    London, Luton, Bradford, Dewsbury, Leeds. Well, that sums up about 80-90% of those.

    • Michael Warden says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 12:15 pm

      Don’t forget my home town of Leicester.

      • Guy Forester says

        Jan 6, 2018 at 4:28 pm

        You have my deepest sympathy. And you have no 2nd Amendment, either.

        Of course, with friends of the US constitution like DeBlasio, Brown, and Bloomberg, who needs self-protection.? The police, EMS, coroner, and fire department will be there to pick up the pieces and notify our relatives.

        • Jayell says

          Jan 6, 2018 at 6:27 pm

          We haven’t even got a proper written Constitution in the first place! But then we didn’t really need one when there were only civilised people living in the UK.

  5. CRUSADER says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    Britain is the nation which brought out crime scene investigation to its pinnacle?

    This is the nation that thrived on mystery and spy novels?

    The same countryfolk who held fast under Churchill and prepared for Nazi invasion?

    And the same who inspired the creation of Sherlock Holmes?

    • Yokel says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 4:21 pm

      The same nation that spent five years fighting National Socialism, then came home and voted for (International) Socialism! This is our own doing.

  6. utis says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    Remember folks, when you look at old Monty Python videos on YouTube, the skits about incompetent, moronic British government employees were satirical at the time, not documentary footage.

  7. Bev says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    Hey Britain all this will go away once everyone either converts to Islam or pays the jizzya. I dont understand why this happened already. Sarc off.

    • Yokel says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 4:28 pm

      I dont understand why … 70 years of Socialist indoctrination has had an effect!

      There, FTFY.

      [Fixed That For You]

  8. LeftisruiningCanada says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    “but Ben Wallace said the Government ‘don’t know where’ those still in the region are.”

    What makes him think they are still in the region then?

    It is to be hoped the their intelligence is far better in secret than they are leading us to believe because, if not, they could be building bombs in his backyard right now, and he wouldn’t have a clue.

  9. Guy Forester says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    You can be assured that the Brits know exactly where Mr. Spencer and Mr. Savage are at any given moment. If these two and others like them get on a plane headed towards the UK, Ireland, or Europe, be assured they know. The Brits probably know when these two take a dump and what they had for their most recent meals. Bet on it.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 5:17 pm

      Fair point. If Geert Wilders even looks at a photo of the Union Jack, an alarm goes off somewhere in Whitehall.

      • Guy Forester says

        Jan 6, 2018 at 5:56 pm

        Not only that, the RAF gets put on notice to shoot down any plane foolish enough to let him board it.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jan 6, 2018 at 7:36 pm

          In her spare time, usually right after Isha, Theresa May is known to pen short children’s books based on famous classics such as Peter Pan.

          A recently leaked preview of her latest work, “Mohammad cares for all of His Little Orphaned Palestinian Boys”, contains a particularly moving scene where RuhAlQudus, a friendly spirit, is almost destroyed by a filthy kaffir expressing unbelief. In a highly emotional scene worthy of Bambi or Short Circuit 2, the Little Orphaned Boys are told that “every time a kafir expresses kufr, somewhere a muslim kitten dies, a friendly spirit is destroyed, and Isa sheds a tear. ”

          Acting quickly, Mohammad, upon whom be peace, instructs the Little Orphans in how they are to save RuhAlQudus : ” Allah, SWT, has told me just now in a vision that in order to save our friendly spirit, it is necessary to make Shahada and also Takbir! Repeat after me “Allahu Akbar! Allahu Ackbar! Allahu Akbar!”

          RuhAlQudus is thence saved, and, with his help, Mohammad and His Little Orphans go on to slay the evil kafir who so attacked and insulted Islam.

          It is expected to do well on release, with 50,000 copies on pre-order to the Ministry for Schools and Education alone.

  10. CRUSADER says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    Where are the fierce Britons which met Julius Caesar’s legions with blue painted faces and hanging scalps…..

    ????????

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 7:10 pm

      They are kept securely behind a wall of disinformation and State sponsored persecution.

    • WPM says

      Jan 6, 2018 at 7:28 pm

      Europe and much of North America has become a gigantic romper room of metro-sexual celebration with no though of the future and a rejection of the past values our elders fought and die to protect for us.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Jan 6, 2018 at 8:14 pm

        Literally, in some cases:

        http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/kindergarten-for-adults

        • gravenimage says

          Jan 6, 2018 at 11:20 pm

          This infantalization is very troubling.

      • Guy Forester says

        Jan 6, 2018 at 8:59 pm

        We are running out of time. I hope that with DJT in place we can reverse this here in the US. However, I expect that the leftists, islamists, and open borders crowd will work in concert to actively oust DJT. I hope not, but I do not think they will give up without a real fight, not just words and court orders.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jan 6, 2018 at 9:27 pm

          Hope not, but if they have Antifa out in public, it makes you wonder what they have out of sight..

          Mr Trump and his crowd aren’t stupid though….i think they’ll be alright 🙂

  11. gravenimage says

    Jan 6, 2018 at 11:10 pm

    UK government admits it has lost track of hundreds of jihadis from Britain fighting in Syria and Iraq
    …………………

    What could possibly go wrong?

  12. Rotten Eye says

    Jan 7, 2018 at 5:04 am

    How many Englishmen does it take to change a lightbulb?

    • IanB says

      Jan 7, 2018 at 5:41 am

      I can only speak for myself – one.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jan 8, 2018 at 1:29 pm

      In a closed shop it could take quite a few – one to be on the ladder, one to hold to ladder (with a back up for health and safety), one to hold the empty bulb box, one to monitor the switch to prevent anyone from turning it on too soon, another to handle the paperwork, and several to stand around watching.

  13. Mmmuk1 says

    Jan 7, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    The government of the day has let the people down again.
    It won’t be much longer before things will be taken out of the governments hands.
    The people are getting really pissed off with Islam and the authorities cow towing to muslims.

  14. J D S says

    Jan 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

    Ooooooo…Robert really hit the UK where it hurts…but isn’t he stating facts…They have failed their people by putting much of their resources fighting islamaphobia and such when they should have been stabilizing No Go zones and such. If they don’t turn things around by,maybe electing officials with guts, within 20 years the UK will be completely islamawashed. It may be too late though but hopefully someone in an official capacity will arise to save them.

    • StellaSaidSo says

      Jan 7, 2018 at 8:11 pm

      Let’s hope that Anne Marie Waters’ new FOR BRITAIN party gets widespread support and sufficient electoral success. Time is running out, and it’s a big ask, but FOR BRITAIN may well be Britain’s only chance for survival.

      • Guy Forester says

        Jan 8, 2018 at 1:21 am

        1. 20 years? That is very optimistic. Hitler took Germany over in about a decade and did not even have a clear majority of the votes.

        2. The electorate needs to go out and vote. We have the same problem in the US. Some elections at local and state levels are decided by far fewer than half the eligible voters. So, a very active and motivated minority can easily get enough votes to have a “majority” for a specific election.

        3. Despite my comments in #2 above, it seems that regardless of who is running, regardless of what the polls show, the same shallow leftist stooges get put into office. The US dodged the bullet in 2016, but how I do not know. Too many votes to discard or deny?

        4. The main problem in England as I see it from the US, is that you lack a constitution. You are subjects of the crown, not a free people. You get whatever rights and privileges the crown says you can have. However, as we see here in the US, leftist legislators and judges can really undermine our constitution.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jan 8, 2018 at 1:37 pm

          Re point 4: Like here in Canada, the UK never had the kind of revolution the US did to throw off the idea that ‘Rights’ are granted by the State.]
          When you cross the border into Canada, you are crossing back into a land where pre-1776 ideas of ‘Rights’ are still in effect.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Jan 8, 2018 at 1:31 pm

        They should have embalmed him in amber, just in case.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Jan 8, 2018 at 1:34 pm

        I saw a book the other day about what would happen if Hitler suddenly woke up, still in uniform, in modern day Berlin. Didn’t read it, but from the back cover it sounds like he was well received.

        A similar book about W Churchill waking up in todays London could be quite good fun.

        He’d probably think that England was no longer free of rabies….

  15. Fred H says

    Jan 7, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    There are squads that are meant to kill them; they’re just not very good at finding them.

    • Guy Forester says

      Jan 8, 2018 at 1:25 am

      If you do not look, you cannot find them. Too busy looking for the lurking bacon attack while Lee Rigby gets beheaded, etc.

      The solution: Tell your soldiers they must be unarmed and out of uniform when not in barracks, do not search mosques known to promote these attacks, and hunt down the real enemy of the state–islamophobes!

  16. Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

    Jan 8, 2018 at 2:02 am

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/01/07/youre-not-welcome-migrant-gangsters-tell-uk-cops-stay-away-kurdish-street/

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