Here is the Jordan Peterson/Cathy Newman interview to which Paul Weston is referring.
The Leftist establishment, in the UK as well as in the US, demands that certain opinions must be accepted; dissenters are tarred with charges with “racism” and “bigotry.” These opinions have for the Left the status of religious dogma, never to be questioned. Among these, of course, is the false claim that Islam is a Religion of Peace. Jordan Peterson and Cathy Newman do not discuss that claim, but the motion here is the same: their interview is a marvelous example of what happens when truth and reality meets Leftist dogma.
Weston, in fact, asks what would happen if Channel 4 gave me 30 minutes to explain to Newman that Islam is not a Religion of Peace. I’d be happy to do that anytime, of course, but given the dogmatic nature of the Left today, I won’t be waiting by the phone.
LB says
I highly recommend everyone to watch the interview. Jordan Peterson is a heavyweight intellectual and not one time does he fall for Cathy’s “so you’re saying” bait where she completely takes him out of contest to suit her leftist views and tries to put words he didn’t say in his mouth. Here’s a drinking game for you: take a shot every time she says that line, you’ll be wasted in like 10 minutes 😀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
Peter says
Yes
It was like a slow motion train wreck.
What a clueless bimbo.
LeftisruiningCanada says
What an incredible display of placing words and ideas into another’s mouth and making crass assumptions.
Mr Peterson is to be commended for his very grown up style of conversation.
The silly childishness of the interviewer is to be noted.
Great video, thanks.
Redbug says
I have sent this vodeo to a LOT of friends in the US, and beleive me, they will wak up t this leftst propaganda after lostening to this man. He’s great, and I hope he keeps on talking….
Carol (the 1st) says
She’s so stubborn in her stupidity! She doggedly keeps trying to put Peterson in a box and he’s far too careful a thinker to allow that to happen (like Ayaan Hirsi Ali he values WORDS and language and always uses them carefully). She’s projecting her own agenda/ideology onto the conversation while he is conscientiously trying to verbalize that the REAL WORLD is wider than that and actually tends to dance to its own tunes.
Newman reminds me of the style of Chris Cuomo – he tore into Rudy Giuliano when Trump was running for POTUS. So busy with his agenda that manners were of no concern..
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yeah, it was great when he was trying to tell her to be careful with her words, by saying veerryy sllooowly that he is very careful with his own.
Ignored of course.
StellaSaidSo says
Peterson is not only A boss, he is THE boss.
Go clean up your room, Cathy Newman.
roger standen says
Dr Peterson….the Clint Eastwood of clinical psychology
LeftisruiningCanada says
Good nickname for him 🙂
lebel says
“Among these, of course, is the false claim that Islam is a Religion of Peace.”
This has been debated quite often including in the UK and people like Hiris Ali were invited to debate. Do not mistake your wilful ignorance for reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghr-JMq1VT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMraxhd9Z9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVh_GlM2tro
Just do a search on google instead of repeating nonsense that only your audience believes.
Robert Spencer says
Your reading comprehension is quite poor.
I wrote: “The Leftist establishment, in the UK as well as in the US, demands that certain opinions must be accepted; dissenters are tarred with charges with ‘racism’ and ‘bigotry.'”
Your YouTube videos don’t change that fact.
Andy says
Mr. Spencer is right again with what he writes!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxgfDBcnvpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLjpiLvx_CI
Andy says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okzoSMZyum0
lebel says
You said “These opinions have for the Left the status of religious dogma, never to be questioned. Among these, of course, is the false claim that Islam is a Religion of Peace. ”
To which I replied that of course such opinions are questioned and debated and I have offered evidence of this. All the debates I posted pose the question “Is Islam a religion of peace?” and participants can hardly be called islam-friendly since they include Ms Hirsi Ali. You are offered no evidence at all.
Joe Smith says
You are equivocating on the word “question”. Just because they put a question mark after something doesn’t mean they’re actually questioning it. In fact, the modern political left never questions the dogma that Islam is a religion of peace. Spencer’s claim is correct, and you are disingenuous.
LeftisruiningCanada says
I don’t think you understood Mr Spencer’s point lebel.
StellaSaidSo says
lebel,
If Islam is a ‘religion of peace’, why aren’t the ‘extremists’ extremely peaceful?
lebel says
Joe Smith, I don’t know exactly what would satisfy you? perhaps a debate with the question “Is Islam evil or really evil?”
LeftisruiningCanada says
lebel, no one said that debates on the subject never happen.
gravenimage says
Why doesn’t lebel tell us what it is he likes about Islam?
Is he still pretending that he is an Anti-Jihadist, or has he dropped that ludicrous mask?
mortimer says
Agree with GI. Please tell us what is ‘good’ about Islam.
Carol (the 1st) says
Lebel probably doesn’t want attention diverted to logical thought and logical people like Dr. Peterson. Instead he yells inanely, “Look, look everyone! I think I saw a tree in the forest!”
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Remember a few years ago after a Jihad mass murder attempt when then AG Loretta Lynch threatened prosecution to anyone who dared criticize Islam. I believe the charge would’ve been some kind of civil rights violation.
Islam can alter a society at its core ideals, no matter how strong its feelings and laws for freedom.
vlparker says
Almost as good as the “gotcha” moment is Peterson’s unsuccessful attempts to stifle laughter at the utter stupidity of this airhead. Priceless.
eduardo odraude says
The interviewer did not seem to understand that laws protecting freedom of speech are only necessary to protect offensive speech. After all, speech that offends no one needs no protection. She asks why Peterson’s free speech should trump someone’s right not to be offended. Well, why don’t we live in a totalitarian system then, where nothing offends anyone, or at least anyone with power?
It would have been interesting if the interviewer had some substantive disagreements, but she never actually grappled with his detailed claims. She kept trying to push her “univariate analysis,” as he called it at one point, and when he noted that to determine causes one must do a multivariate analysis, it seems to have gone entirely over her head. She did not engage with him on that point at all, obviously because she had little or no idea what he was talking about. Yet she would have had an idea of what he was talking about if she had been even slightly familiar with the economic counterarguments to her position. To know about such counterarguments nowadays is hardly difficult, since they are frequently made — if not in the UK media, where I gather leftism more or less rules — then many internet videos made by economics professors and others are not hard to find. No, the interviewer is not a terribly bright or informed person.
LeftisruiningCanada says
She got me when she said “the transgender person’s right to not be offended.”
I’m not sure that’s a real right.
gravenimage says
Of course, *no one* has the right not to be offended.
StellaSaidSo says
I was a little surprised that JBP did not respond directly to Newman’s assumption that such a right exists. He really is too damn polite sometimes.
LR says
“Remember a few years ago after a Jihad mass murder attempt when then AG Loretta Lynch threatened prosecution to anyone who dared criticize Islam. I believe the charge would’ve been some kind of civil rights violation.”
No, I do not…Will look that up…
For any woman who states such a thing…We should send her on a whirlwind trip to Saudi Arabia to witness the public beheadings, then off to Iran to witness the Shia version of Sharia, then off to Pakistan to talk to rape victims in jail, and rape victims by Loya Jirga decree, then off to Afghanistan in the middle of summer to sweat under a burqa in the middle of the day while accompanied by a wonderful group of Talibany guys…Then for a break, we whisk her off to London…To sit in the cell and listen to Anjem Chowder brain go on and on and on…
That MIGHT do the trick…
CRUSADER says
LR, you created a horrid nightmare!
In one comment, you combined Loretta Lynch with denigrating Freedom of Speech and blended it all with trips on a Jihad Safari of Shariah sightseeing……ending with a Chowderhead audience.
Yikes! What a dreadful scenario and itinerary.
Where do I sign up?
DEUS VULT
+++++++++
Mr F Middleton says
Paul touched on something I’ve noticed, too, that the media/political elite behave like the royalty and nobility of Feudal times. They are the class who think for us and tell us what to believe, they deny us a right to speak because: 1) we are uneducated (whether we are or not); 2) we are prejudiced, apparently, and can’t help ourselves; 3) we, despite the foregoing, are a privileged class/race/sex. So the serfs were treated by the upper classes and the clergy. Just as the Bible, placed in the hands of ordinary people, led to the Reformation, so the Truth in the hands of people (who care to take notice) will lead to a reformation of our social/political landscape.
StellaSaidSo says
This superior attitude is typical of leftist elites, who take it as given that they are the best-qualified to ‘rule’. Thomas Sowell refers to them as ‘the anointed’.
Adam says
I don’t normally comment on this blog, but here is further proof of the obliviousness/imperviousness of Liberalism and Feminism to criticism: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cathy-newman-abuse-channel-4-jordan-peterson-metoo-backlash-latest-a8170031.html . They act as if Jordan Peterson were some kind of misogynistic beer monster who came on to the show, kicked up his heels, told Cathy Newman to go make him a sandwich. Instead he rebutted her point for point and acknowledged that the answers were not so simplistic as she made them out to be.
The Neman vs. Peterson video is Pure Internet Gold if for no other reason than that it shows the power of scapegoating and the victim mentality. These people come alive when told that they are unacknowledged, mighty infants who will conquer the world.
The way to understand this phenomenon is that these things are the afterbirth of Christianity. Christianity worked so well that it’s now being scapegoated.
Along these lines, please check out these videos on scapegoating by Rene Girard, who spent a lifetime studying the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Y8dVVV4To , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6XX39DaEL4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fJMK9NjSQ4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZWx5UyzDRc , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wimFvlhKQcU .
On a slightly related note, he explained once that the Suicide Bomber/Jihadi is the ideal in Islam because, although it ends extraneous sacrifice, it offers no innocent victim to take that place. This results in it being incumbent for the believer to step in and fill that void with his own life.
CRUSADER says
That sounds good. I’m hungry. So hungry I could dine on a whole scape-goat.
I sure would like to kick up my heels and eat a sandwich and drink a beer or two!
But I’m too jazzed about how the Patriots of Boston beat the Muslim-owned Jaguars….
and are headed into a very patriotic Super Bowl game vs Philadelphia Eagles.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Jay Boo. That was the only cavil I had with Paul Weston here, as well.
mortimer says
Channel 4 should stop living in its own ECHO CHAMBER and schedule a debate between the MIGHT ROBERT SPENCER and whatever out of the BEST Islamic scholars wishes to show how Spencer is WRONG, WRONG!
Any mullah who debates Robert Spencer fails to prove that Islam is the religion of peace. They are ALL HUMILIATED by their intellectual failure.
Carol (the 1st) says
Mr. Spencer deserves to spare his eardrums and his brain cells. He shouldn’t waste time participating in a a modern version of the GONG SHOW.
Andy says
ENOCH POWELL BREXIT PROPHECY COMES TRUE #Brexit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxxEON5KdY
Andy says
Petition Leave the EU immediately
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165
John McCall says
I read JW daily but rarely comment. I felt that I had to today. Peterson destroyed this interviewer. He never once lost his cool and countered every accusation with truth and logic.
Terry Gain says
And with gentleness and good humour. “You’re saying that” (followed by a misrepresentation as to what he is saying, and his response was always to politely correct her). It was a pleasure to watch
LeftisruiningCanada says
It was beautiful 🙂
Terry Gain says
What is peaceful about Islam? Not the doctrine. Not the history. Not Muhammad. The claim that Islam is peace is the biggest lie ever told. You might as well claim that Madonna is chaste or Oprah is skinny.
CRUSADER says
Is there humor in Islam?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Muslims are permitted to laugh at burning infidels, plummeting homosexuals, and whatever bad jokes their dictator makes.
Carol (the 1st) says
Nope. Mohammed has firmly slammed the coffin-lid shut on that clown. Too distracting.
StellaSaidSo says
Zakir Naik is tragically funny.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Ha yes, though of course more of the former 😀
vlparker says
Dr. Peterson risks his credibility when he says agreeableness is a female trait. All the females I’ve dated, including the current one, can’t wait to disagree with me. In fact, as soon as my lips start to move they tell me how wrong I am.
Terry Gain says
So why are you always wrong? Peterson was merely being politic.
eduardo odraude says
vlparker,
Peterson doesn’t simply say that agreeableness is a female trait. If you follow the nuance, his argument is that agreeableness, statistically, has been more often a female than a male trait. Anecdotes about how you had some disagreeable dates are not statistical or scientific data. Peterson is talking about statistical data based on studies of large populations.
vlparker says
Gee, guys, it was just a joke.
CRUSADER says
How do you know when VLParker is lying?
His lips are moving….
No, of course. We need to recognize humor and satire and irony when it emerges.
Nicely done, VLParker.
Thank you for playing.
Carol (the 1st) says
He’s our hero now and we have to stick up for him. The last link provided by graven image shows he needs good advisors/educators regarding Islam – before the Islamists and Islamophiles trip him up and try to run away with him.
eduardo odraude says
Vintage Thomas Sowell using facts and logic to debunk the gender paygap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTZBtV63IVM
Historian says
Regardless, discussion of the wage-gap issue and the Peterson-Newman interview does not belong on JW. That interview does not ever refer to Islam, let alone Jihad, jihadism, sharia etc. Weston’s commentary on the interview gives those who never watched the whole Peterson-Newman interview the wrong impression that the leftist dogma that “Islam is a religion of Peace” was criticized in the interview, but it was not even brought up.
When there are so many newsworthy items that ARE explictly related to Islam, Islamism, jihad, jihadists, sharia etc. that JW could post, it was a mistake to choose to post this one.
Carol (the 1st) says
With the Left being so embroiled with Islam and so stubborn in its destructive goals (Peterson himself says the Left is more “open to change” than Rights – but they tend to very much neglect the examples of history) you really should not begrudge others the TREAT of seeing someone like Newman being coolly and amusedly slipped off her various perches in a factual, intelligent discussion with a man self-trained in discourse (it was clear she hoped to make a whack-a-mole game out of the interview, but alas, such is life!)
LeftisruiningCanada says
This video has generated such a huge amount of discussion and interest that, while it’s obviously not directly about Jihad or islam, it is shining some very bright and informative light on how the islam enabling Left think and behave.
Many other commentators that are often to be found opposing islam have also made comment on this video, so it’s definitely of interest to the anti-jihad crowd.
For one, i’m glad it was posted. Hadn’t seen it before. And a little variation in subject seems ok from time to time.
Historian says
This Peterson-Newman interview and Weston’s YT commentary on it, while interesting for other reasons, does not deserve to be on JW, because the original interview (Peterson-Newman) never mentions Islam, Islamism, Jihad, Jihadism, sharia etc. It only deals with gender, which is a very different set of issues. In the UK in particular it’s MUCH easier to get away with sexism or even just criticizing leftist dogma on gender than mere criticism of Islam or even Islamism (or racism, which is a different set of issues as well). As proof, it is significant that the British attempt to censure so-called ‘hate speech’ (Public Order Act & Racial and Religious Hatred Act and their various amendments) does NOT include sexism, sex or gender as punishable categories, but it does include race and religion and sexual orientation as punishable categories. And one of the reasons it has been so difficult in the UK to intervene against mostly Muslim males to help either their non-Muslim female (through sex-trafficking) or Muslim female (through the the dynamics of the traditional family) victims is that sexism, even its most egregious forms, like sex-trafficking, gang-rape, domestic violence, de facto polygyny etc., in the UK is just not viewed as seriously as perceived “anti-Islam” or “anti-Muslim” speech and attitudes (never mind actual behavior) or perceived racism.
Weston’s YT commentary misleadingly suggests that the leftist dogma that “Islam in a religion is peace” was criticized by Peterson in the interview, but he does not do this.
gravenimage says
You may have a point, Historian.
“Jordan Peterson – on Islam”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yjdl3a-eRw
He is obviously uneasy about Islam, but does not actually know much about Islam, or the threat it poses to us.
Carol (the 1st) says
He plans to learn more.
gravenimage says
I did note that, Carol. I hope so.
Carol (the 1st) says
Historian…I’d re-watch the first four minutes. For every regular on this site it was quite easy to see where Paul Weston was coming from – more so if you were English.
eduardo odraude says
Another video about the source of the gender paygap. It’s so odd that Peterson’s interviewer was obviously completely unfamiliar with these kinds of points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fCBsugN_g0
LeftisruiningCanada says
Good video.
When he says “hmmm, that’s weird, i wonder why?” is where the big divide happens with folks on this subject. For a conspiracy minded victim mentality neo feminazi, the answer is always “someone else (male (and white))”
LeftisruiningCanada says
Also, going back to the interview, did you notice how all of the interviewers assumptions about how to ‘fix’ things seem to imply massive amounts of authoritarian governmental power being applied?
StellaSaidSo says
Yep. Leftists love big government, and the more authoritarian the better.
Matthieu Baudin says
The Peterson interview is well worth watching. The interviewer took the role of sheepdog, forever trying to round him up to have him dispatched. Thirty minutes without a second wasted.
CRUSADER says
Islam is lame.
Religion of Pieces.
CRUSADER says
Wow, JayBoo, that Lorena Bobbitt reference in above comment was frightening to visualize!
And, anyway, why would a pro/Vulva rally be so antiPrick?
How do we really know that Linda “the bug” Sarsour even has a vagina?
Why bother with a wardrobe for such an insect?
Carol (the 1st) says
Are you sure we aren’t keeping you from your next beer?
Logic&Reason says
A truly great danger of postmodernist thinking is its refusal to examine the true nature of groups making the “oppressed” claim. “Oppressed” is the only password needed join the club. In that sense, the radical left is holding a masquerade party in which malevolence is allowed entry.
Literally, “Eyes Wide Shut”.
Carol (the 1st) says
“Misogynistic beer monster” now on file. It will do in a pinch.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Mr Peterson is the Daddy that so many radical leftists have issues with.
john says
Use “Civilized” Class (sarc) Vs Survivor Class and it all makes more sense.