Macron clearly still knows nothing of Islam. As any Islamic supremacist might have told him, Islam reorganizes, it is not reorganized. But he has already dismissed such people as part of the tiny minority of extremists that misunderstands and hijacks Islam. Unfortunately, however, they have not dismissed him, and will come around for him and his ilk eventually.
“Emmanuel Macron to propose reorganization of Islam in France,” by Giulia Paravicini, Politico, February 11, 2018 (thanks to David):
French President Emmanuel Macron wants to reorganize Islam in France to better integrate worship, fight fundamentalism and preserve “national cohesion.”
“We are working on the structuring [he used the word structuration] of Islam in France and also on how to explain it, which is extremely important,” Macron told the Journal du Dimanche in an interview Sunday.
“My goal is to rediscover what lies at the heart of laïcité [the French concept of secularism], the possibility of being able to believe as not to believe, in order to preserve national cohesion and the possibility of having free consciousness,”the French leader said declining to reveal further details about the reform plan. “I will not reveal the proposal until the work is completed,” he said.
Bob Carrillo says
He is, as Stalin once referred to such people, a “USEFUL IDIOT”.. Then, why does he feel the need to have 7,000 combat armed, and uniformed FRENCH troops on the streets of France today?
StellaSaidSo says
There are 7,000 armed troops deployed in Paris alone, and a further 3,000+ throughout France.
Andy says
France have you had enough????
The terrible state of the country!
Stop political correctness!
Time to join together for our homelands!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPghPxxI5Y
Save Europe says
Time they vote MLP in, frankly.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Many of us are dissatisfied with this government, and many of us voted for Macron or abstained because they did not want Marine Le Pen to be president. Now we have to deal with a government refusing to face reality.
Richard says
That is how France achieved the “secularism” he is so proud of. Ever hear of “The Reign of Terror”? It didn’t only go after nobles. Priests and nuns were also subject to it. Young boys and girls were stripped naked, tied together front to front and tossed into ponds or lakes to drown, to the delight of the crowds. Churches and convents were confiscated by the French government and a nude woman was sat on the altar of a cathedral and worshipped as the Goddess of Reason. We see her again in France’s gift to America: the Statue of Liberty. Does anyone in their right mind believe the Muslims would accept such a desecration of their own religious beliefs and traditions? It is openly known that Muslims have all sorts of weapons hidden in France, including missals. They would most certainly use them. To match them, the French have the military valor they displayed in World War II. Where is Charles Martel when we need him?
CON BRADLEY says
He is delusional!
BC says
Wewll A for effort but one may as well try to ‘reorganise’ the Great Pyramid of Giza (in Egypt for the geographically challenged) Muslims are told that Islam is perfect after all it was given by ‘god’ was it not?
Does anybody ever consider what ‘god’ was doing for the thousands of years mankind got along without his interference, sorry blessing!
J D S says
The only way to reorganize islam is to Pass laws to rip the militant guts from it…No religion should be militant or political Taking that away from Islam and reinforcing it with strength is the only way to reorganize Islam. Get to it before it is too late..It can be done.
Terry Gain says
Allowing people into your country who adhere to an extreme ideology which outlaws freedom of conscience and speech is an excellent way to create civil unrest in a secular society. Accommodate Islam and demands for submission will follow. Islam cannot be appeased.
Terry Gain says
I should have referred to Islam as a conquest ideology as conquest is the essence of Islam..
Abbisid says
He not only does not have a clue about Islam, he does not have a clue about religion, or any strong belief system, you cannot just reorganize it like a political party. A political Party you can make promises, make rules and then change them when you like, that said if the core principle principles of the party changes, the party changes. One cannot change the core belief systems values, because then the original belief longer exists.
RichardL says
apparently, he is a good Catholic. I suppose for politicians the relationship with God is different: He is there for them and so He can be restructured. After all, Nancy Pelosi is a big abortion fan and receives communion regularly. They are in a Church that is different from the rest of us.
Abbisid says
Sadly through out human history the individual goes wrong, it does not define the Church. Pedophile Priests do not carry out church teachings, the exact opposite, they are people gone wrong. Many, many Christians, Muslims and other religion followers only know the basics of their religion. The likes of Macro and Pelosi do not define the church. As Jesus himself said ” Its what comes out the heart that counts, not following tradition.
Save Europe says
I bet he does have a clue, in all actuality, but he is a coward, and appeaser and is ‘spinning plates’, as he knows he won’t be alive when Civil Wars kick off around all Western Europe. Let’s be honest – ALL the European leaders, do ‘know’, deep down.
StellaSaidSo says
What politicians do when what they’re really doing is nothing is talk about what they’re going to do.
Westman says
Exactly. And they are going to reveal the details of the plan later – if the details ever exist. Politicians rarely commit to measurable goals. The only thing directly measurable is the appropriation.
mortimer says
What a rum JOKER Macron is!
Macron knows virtually NOTHING about Islam… he has not read the primary source texts, doesn’t even know the NAMES of those texts, has not studied the PRECEDENTS and the principles of Sharia law, does not understand what the IJMA or CONSENSUS of Islam is, does not know the system of accreditation of sheikhs.
And yet, preposterously, he suggests a REFORM of Islam. The last ‘reform’ of Islam occurred under the absolute dictatorship of Kemal Ataturk who forced reforms on the mullahs of Turkey and arrested, tortured and judicially murdered whoever stood in his way. Only an ABSOLUTE DICTATORSHIP can reform Islam.
No, Monsieur Macron! Islam CANNOT be reformed. Islam can merely be ABANDONED. Whatever is considered ‘PERFECT, COMPLETE and ETERNAL’ cannot be reformed. France should develop PROTOCOLS for systematically deprogramming Muslims RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM. This can be done using the latest textual, archaeological, historical scholarship in Islamic studies. ISLAM HAS NO PROVENANCE, NO HISTORY, NO LOGIC, NO COHERENCY. Islam is such a collection of errant stupidity and contradiction, that it is seen by a rational person to be the work of a mad committee, rather than the revelation of an all-knowing deity … as long as the EVIDENCE against Islam is not EXCLUDED.
France and other Western countries must get the EVIDENCE out to Muslims regarding the FLAWED FOUNDATIONS of Islam… and they will leave Islam in droves.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
The last ‘reform’ of Islam occurred under the absolute dictatorship of Kemal Ataturk who forced reforms on the mullahs of Turkey and arrested, tortured and judicially murdered whoever stood in his way. Only an ABSOLUTE DICTATORSHIP can reform Islam.
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Mortimer–with all respect–Ataturk was *not* a Muslim reformer–he was an atheist who attempted to restrict the power of Islam in Turkey. He never thought he was reforming Islam itself.
More:
No, Monsieur Macron! Islam CANNOT be reformed. Islam can merely be ABANDONED. Whatever is considered ‘PERFECT, COMPLETE and ETERNAL’ cannot be reformed.
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This is very true.
More:
France should develop PROTOCOLS for systematically deprogramming Muslims RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM. This can be done using the latest textual, archaeological, historical scholarship in Islamic studies. ISLAM HAS NO PROVENANCE, NO HISTORY, NO LOGIC, NO COHERENCY. Islam is such a collection of errant stupidity and contradiction, that it is seen by a rational person to be the work of a mad committee, rather than the revelation of an all-knowing deity … as long as the EVIDENCE against Islam is not EXCLUDED.
France and other Western countries must get the EVIDENCE out to Muslims regarding the FLAWED FOUNDATIONS of Islam… and they will leave Islam in droves.
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Mortimer, I knoiw you have said this before–if only Muslims knew about Islam that they would leave it.
But this has *not* turned out to be the case.
Sure, there may be the odd lax Muslim who finally gets around to reading the Qur’an and doesn’t like what he sees.
But generally, it is *just the opposite*–those Muslims who know the most about Islam are apt to be the most pious–and the biggest threats to Infidels.
In fact, the idea that Islam is actually abhorent to devout Muslims is quite questionable.
CRUSADER says
CITIZEN WARRIOR, and other commentators on Islam in the West,
have concluded that it is a waste of time to focus on Muslims but to have the rest of the West learn about Islam for what it is, and for us fellow citizens to read the Quran, by our own interpretations, not by an imams…. And to conclude that we need to corral this incursion.
StellaSaidSo says
That has been my view for some time, CRUSADER. It is getting easier to wake the sleepers now. There is nothing quite like an atrocity in your own neighbourhood for the penny to start dropping. I still find bacon a good talking point in the supermarket tho.
CRUSADER says
Oh, I’m in favor of holding frequent bacon bbq meetings.
mortimer says
Many former Muslim apologists have stated that in debating opponents, they have come to realize that the ARGUMENTS AGAINST ISLAM HAVE MERIT!
DEPROGRAMMING MUSLIMS WITH EVIDENCE – HAMED ABDEL SAMAD
SERIES OF 21 EPISODES : Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpZlaSVsCDw
mortimer says
DEPROGRAMMING MUSLIMS WITH EVIDENCE – BROTHER ISMAIL former apologist for Islam who was deprogrammed by EVIDENCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7_YQ53lfI
mortimer says
DEPROGRAMMING MUSLIMS WITH EVIDENCE – FARHAN QURESHI FORMER APOLOGIST FOR ISLAM LEFT ISLAM DUE TO EVIDENCE AGAINST ISLAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65O2mAZ8CHQ
mortimer says
DEPROGRAMMING MUSLIMS WITH EVIDENCE – CHELSEA African American and FORMER APOLOGIST FOR ISLAM LEFT DUE TO EVIDENCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65O2mAZ8CHQ
mortimer says
Deprogramming Muslims with Evidence – A Turkish ex-Muslim gives 22 REASONS why he left Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT8jv6lZFOg
gravenimage says
Mortimer, all of the ex-Muslims you cite *decided to leave Islam on their own*.
Not one of them was “deprogrammed” by Infidels.
I’m not sure why you can’t tell the difference.
Jack Diamond says
Not so much even reading the Qur’an as facing up to the “truth about Muhammad”. It works with some Muslims as a form of shock therapy, those that still have a conscience left or brain enough not to simply see another “plot” against Islam. That’s the only “therapy” I can imagine, as if you could imagine, oh, the Voice of America broadcasting in Arabic the true adventures of Muhammad and his companions, or a government-funded film depicting his crimes against humanity (and animals), deluging the lands of the Mohammadans.
These crimes, however, were related by devout Muslims, not enemies of Islam, in admiration and in full submission that allah and muhammad know best and a good Muslim does not ask
questions that might disturb him and lead him away from Islam, as the crafty kuffar would wish. In fact, they are to be enjoyed since the enemies of allahmuhammad cannot be punished enough.
I agree that waking up non-Muslims is the priority, not the fata morgana of doing something about Islam, which is more remarkable for how little it has changed in 1400 years. We “reform” Muslims by telling them what is expected of them and what will not be tolerated.
And what will not be tolerated is (forcibly) kept out of our societies. Instead of the opposite.
StellaSaidSo says
‘We “reform” Muslims by telling them what is expected of them and what will not be tolerated.’
Exactly. Our turf, our rules. Don’t like it? Go home.
All good points, Jack Diamond.
Pal says
GravenImage,
I think Mortimer is correct.
K. Ataturk is a reformer of islam.
Islam’s theology or ideology or texts cannot be reformed (they are “perfect” and so; Bidah doctrine exists to prohibit it, and more).
Ataturk has known those well.
Therefore, he has approached not islam’s theory.
He has approached its “practice”. If you wish, he has approached the matted it practically, administratively
Reza Shah and his son Mohamad did the same in Persia, Saad Zaglul in Egypt and Habib Bourghiba in Tunisia did it similarly.
Want it or not, those are the practical reformers of islam.
They managed in a way. They achieved results.
All others were executed or unrecognized or rejected or expelled.
With best regards!
Linda Clark formerly Linnte says
Gravenimage, Pal, Mortimer,
Does anyone on Roberts blog understand the ONE key point that would prevent Islam from having ANY control within our Western Nations?
Why does NO ONE talk about Islam NOT being a religion, but a Governmental System/theocracy? It’s making me crazy! The ONE thing that can put the kabosh to Islam is what should be on EVERYONE’S lips right now. No nation allows a subversive Government to carry on politics, be involved in politics, have anything to DO with how government is run. None! If Islam was proclaimed a Governmental System, we could remove the RELIGIOUS RIGHTS of Islam, or at least limit or contain Islam to the Mosques.
It’s a no brainier! We’re busy chatting and debating the last jihad attack when we could be educating the people of this Nation about the Governmental System of Islam.
To simply call Islam an Ideology is a JOKE. Even calling it a THEOCRACY is a joke. The average person shopping in Wal Mart has absolutely no clue what a Theocracy is. But the words Governmental System explains it in terms that are clearly understood.
caps for emphasis, not shouting- WE CAN STOP ISLAM!
JW_Reader says
Here comes the new Prophet of Islam Emmanuel Macron!!
He is rewriting Quran for French people. Too bad, he does not
know that Mohamed was the last prophet of Islam and Quran is
the last word of GOD. Try it with some other religion, Macaroni.
StellaSaidSo says
Macron was manufactured by the globalists for the sole purpose of keeping Marine Le Pen out of the Elysee Palace. He knows nothing about Islam. If he knew anything about it, he would never have got the top job.
Guy Forester says
And for all we know, Le Pen may have actually won that election. I do not trust the system any more. The only reason Trump won in the US was the votes for him came from states that he was expected to win. I doubt that will happen again.
I have seen too many tight races decided by judicially ordered “recounts.” The funny thing is, every time they recounted the same ballots, they kept finding “new ones” that were somehow missed the first, second, & third time around. And they were always and only for the guy litigating. Imagine that!
Does anyone really believe that a majority of people actually voted for these imbeciles like Macron, Trudeau, May, and Merkel? I thought the polls showed closer races. But then, after the Hillary fiasco, I don’t think polls tell us anything any more.
Here I am ranting again. My skepticism is overwhelming me.
StellaSaidSo says
I agree, Guy Forester. It is a long time since we could be confident that elections were honest. The only reason that Trump won is that Hillary did not cheat enough. I was in France during the 2017 election, and saw the shenanigans. In a fair fight, Le Pen would have won.
sally says
It seems that the people of France need to do something about this. They had the services of LePen available to them and they should have risen up in her support. Instead we saw people basically turning down the boat that came to rescue ite them because it wasn’t the Queen Mary. They’ll wait, thank you very much. Pinky up. So now they have Macron. They have staged a revolution before. Maybe it’s time again. Here is a warning: don’t let your government take your weapons away! Because they sure as hell won’t be there when you need to defend your family. Macron’s asinine assertion that HE will “reorganize Islam” does nothing but expose him for the idiot he is. Bon apetit, France.
Anne Smith says
Quite right Stella. He is the EU’s man and a mere puppet acting on orders.
Westman says
Laïcité – the possibility of being able to believe as not to believe? For Muslims?
What has Monsieur Macron been smoking? When is he going to strip down to his underwear and operate a spinning wheel?
No Muzzies Here says
You will not be able to reform Islam. Calling it “reorganization” doesn’t make it possible. They are in France to make France Islamic.
Michael Copeland says
Dear M. Macron,
“National cohesion” was undermined a long time ago by the newcomers.
CogitoErgoSum says
I think something similar to Macron’s plan has already been tried in Turkey by Attaturk years ago. I don’t think it’s been going too well lately. But yeah, I can visualize France becoming a clone of Turkey within another generation or so.
Lord, why do so many of our leaders in the West have rocks for brains?
gravenimage says
As I noted above, CogitoErgoSum, Atatürk never tried to reform Islam–just to blunt its harmful effects in Turkey. Avery different matter.
CogitoErgoSum says
The article uses the word “reorganization” and not “reform.” Maybe I will wait to see what Macron’s plan actually is before I comment further.
StellaSaidSo says
Likewise, CES. But I think we will be waiting a while.
gravenimage says
OK.
Raja says
Islam has reorganized the world map for 1400 years with all kinds of deception and war. This so called reorganization by Macron will be welcomed by Muslims because the Muslims know to how to work around it through deception and still be on target as far as the hegemony of Islam goes.
In Muslims majority nations Sharia is sought after with 80% “FOR”
allah is an impotent god who wants his disciples to die for him when he can do precious little both in this life and the life to come.
gravenimage says
Raja, I’m afraid I don’t agree. If Macron gets serious about this–which I rather doubt–I think Muslims will just start screaming about “Islamophobia” to get him to back down.
utis says
“I will not reveal the proposal until the work is completed,” says he. Yeah, because if he had a workable one the muslims would kill him. If not, the real French might finally dig out the ol’ guillotine.
After France spends decades of promoting islam to the detriment of other religions and secularists, he’s gonna turn things around. Has he ever accomplished anything concrete in any of his office, either now or before?
gravenimage says
Most of the commenters on the article in Politico realize how ridiculous this proposal is.
Jaladhi says
Yeah right, Islam will be reformed by France!! You have to be nuts to even imagine that let alone propose it loudly!! I hear the sounds in Islamic world for starting another jihad against France! LOL..
Jaladhi says
One must say the Western politicians have totally gone bonkers when it comes to dealing with Islam. ANy common sense approach will work but that is too hard to understand for these morons!
gravenimage says
The *only* good thing here is it shows that even idiots like Macron are coming to realize that Islam is a problem.
MFritz says
Reformed in France today, reformed world-wide tomorrow? I don’t think so, Monsieur Merkel Muppet Macron…
Wellington says
When I read an article like this one it just further confirms that Western Civilization remains in the process of losing its collective mind. It is so tragic to see the civilization which pioneered freedom more than any other civilization or society in history give it all up in the name of two freedom-crushing ideologies, i.e., Islam and Leftism.
We live in an exceedingly strange (and stupid) age since what is going on is a conquest from within, a slow suicide, which is even more tragic than a conquest from without and for what? For Islam and Leftism? Beyond useless.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Like headless chickens which have also had their feet cut off.
Unpleasant image isn’t it.
More unpleasant still when played out on a civilizational scale.
CRUSADER says
But on a scale of 1-10, what rating would you give the effort?
Wellington says
At least a 7.
Manny says
How can they have national cohesion with Islam? Perhaps the objective is noble, but it will not work. It takes two to tango and Muslims don’t dance with Europeans.
David Stephenson says
I see a total failure on Mr. Macaroni’s horizon.
Jack Diamond says
It is France that must integrate (with Islam) and reorganize (to accommodate Islam) if it wants any kind of “cohesion” from now on.
Jacques Ellul wrote in 1983 (35 years ago) “In France it is no longer acceptable to criticize Islam or the Arab countries” and this “integration” has been official policy since 1973 (45 years ago) when France and the EC definitively sided with the Arab Muslim bloc, legitimized the jihad ideology by embracing “Palestinianism”, and promoted the merger of the Muslim World into France & Europe in sundry ways (using the term “rapproachment”).
Cohesion is a one way street from here on. It’s going to take a lot of “disharmony” to preserve, not national cohesion, but France and freedom itself.
StellaSaidSo says
Certainly France and the EC gave legitimacy to the Arab side of the Arab-Israeli conflict as a result of the 1973 oil embargo, but I don’t think the term ‘rapprochement’ quite extended to ‘the merger of the Muslim world into France’.
Jack Diamond says
The term was used to summarize all the proposed “symbiosis” “civilizational cooperation” “cultural exchange” “social and cultural migration” and other terms used for the so-called Euro-Arab-Dialogue in the 70s and 80s.
It is used by Bat Ye’or in describing the Alliance of Civilizations created by Spain’s President Zapatero in (cringing) response to the Madrid attacks in 2004. “Prime Minister Zapatero insisted he be present at the 60th anniversary of the Arab League in Algiers where he proposed the creation of an Alliance of Civilizations (AoC). This body would operate in the political and cultural spheres for the rapproachement of Islam and the West.”
This A0C was dedicated to ending the “misunderstandings” between the West and Islam.
It’s report, in true dhimmi fashion, adopted the Islamic view of history, blamed the West, and especially Israel, for all said misunderstandings, extolled Islam’s contribution to the world (echoing Chirac: “a Europe whose roots are as much Muslim as Christian”), called for more migration, more partnership with the UN (and the OIC)– including with school textbooks; more fighting of (our) xenophobia and racism, and more measures to bring the media under control and provide “positive” images of Muslims in (our) films and media.
–see, “Europe, Globalization, and the Coming Universal Caliphate” Bat Ye’or, p.93-)
This AoC was perfectly representative of what had been going on for decades before.
LeftisruiningCanada says
As you say, all of the agreements towards cultural exchange were entirely one way. From muslim professors to cultural centers in European cities, everything came from the muslims into Europe, not the other way around.
They’ve been lapping it up for nearly half a century. Why stop now?
gravenimage says
Good analysis.
StellaSaidSo says
A ‘rapprochement’ is simply an understanding, or an agreement. It is not a legal contract. The initial agreement in 1973 required EEC countries, in exchange for a steady supply of oil, to accept a massive and one-sided cultural input from the Arab countries. Bat Y’eor explains how this dodgy arrangement came about in Chapter 3-4 of ‘Eurabia’. Basically, the Arabs were bluffing, and the Europeans caved. The myth of ‘Palestine’ and ‘the Palestinian people’ was created at this time, and the Europeans were obliged thereafter to take sides against Israel, which was really the main point as far as the Arabs were concerned – though of course they pressed their advantage at every opportunity, as they continue to do today. Macron will do nothing but tinker around the edges of France’s probleme d’Islam, because he is the tool of his globalist handlers, but he will not be re-elected. There is only one politician in France who has the balls to change anything, and that is Marine le Pen.
CRUSADER says
incomparable Bat Ye’or sniffs it out !
Jack Diamond says
The alliance with the Arab League in 1973 was a consequence of both the oil boycott and many years of PLO terrorism. Bat Ye’or also related an interview with Francesco Cossiga who cited a (quiet) agreement made between Italian PM Aldo Moro and Arafat that PLO terrorists could come and go freely in Italy (and plot freely) in exchange for immunity from terrorist attacks against Italy’s interests (Italian Jews were NOT included in the arrangement).
Not only did the European Commission recognize the PLO and legitimize Arafat and take sides against Israel, the Arab conditions for this “rapproachement” also required more separation from and hostility toward the United States, and a policy for Muslim immigration into Europe, with agreements pursuant to that end.
Rob says
Vive le difference
CRUSADER says
Clash of Civilizations!
Gjallarhornet says
Islam has already reformed, reorganized and had it’s Luthers many times. What came out where … whababism, the muslim brotherhood and Saudi Arabia.
It is a strange thing to ask for. If you go by a Luther ‘back to the scripture’ mantra what comes out is not ‘love they neighbour’ but … ISIS, cruxifictions and behadings.
Beside, no non-muslim can define islam, so this attempt is in vain. Unless Marcon believes himself to be a good muslim.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agreed agreed agreed.
CRUSADER says
Wahhab – ism
gravenimage says
All true, Gjallarhornet.
Gjallarhornet says
Thinking about a line from the movie ‘Black Hawk Dawn’. The movie has is faults, but that’s not the point. But in one instance one of the chief Somali hustlers points out of the window, out towards the never ending war and tells the American general: “See all this? It is simply shaping tomorrow”.
Exactly. And in that tomorrow – there is no room for you and me.
DP111 says
Reorganization of Islam in France??
They will give invoke a french accent to le Qoran, le Hadiths, and monsewer Mohammed.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Islam reorganizes, it is not reorganized.
Active voice, that’s right. Much like the word Islam is in active voice, as in (you) submit vs. submission.
Too bad Prez Dubya got the definition of the word Islam wrong when he said it mean peace when in fact it means you submit (to us).
Bill says
Muslims in France with look at Chef Macron’s Menu. It will be ala carte’. The Muslims will choose the “reorganizing” appetizers and entree that are consistent with how they would have “reorganized” in France without assistance. That much they will take, it having been offered. They they will be so near to their goals, they with finish France off with little, if any, resistance. That will be their dessert.
Some French cooking.
Guy Forester says
Horse apples, regardless of how described or presented, are still the same old horse turds, no matter what Le Chef says.
Michael Copeland says
Macron is culpably negligent.
He has failed to inform himself about Islam, something quite easy to do on the internet.
gravenimage says
Emmanuel Macron to propose reorganization of Islam in France
………………………
Silly Infidel, you can’t change Islam.
sally says
Maybe we should demand that our governmental leaders pass a lengthy exam on Islam before we allow them to take office. If they don’t know more about what they are dealing with better than George Bush or Emmanuel Macron they should be sent to kindergarten, not sworn into office of a free country.
Gordon Anderson says
You can’t change Islam ,but you can break them.
gravenimage says
Yes–we can fight back. But what Macron has in mind will not help us.
StellaSaidSo says
We don’t know what he has in mind. He is yet to reveal his cunning plan.
Indiana Tom says
French President Emmanuel Macron wants to reorganize Islam in France to better integrate worship, fight fundamentalism and preserve “national cohesion.
Yeah, and we were fighting for peace in Vietnam.
We are reorganizing Islam in France to integrate worship, fight fundamentalism and preserve “national cohesion.,
”the French leader said declining to reveal further details about the reform plan. “I will not reveal the proposal until the work is completed,” he said.
Sort of like Mission Accomplished in Iraq.
Indiana Tom says
I give this all the chances of success as the Maginot Line.
CRUSADER says
Laïcité ([la.i.si.te]), literally “secularity”, is a French concept of secularism.
It encourages the absence of religious involvement in government affairs, especially the prohibition of religious influence in the determination of state policies; it is also the absence of government involvement in religious affairs, especially the prohibition of government influence in the determination of religion.[1][2]
Dictionaries ordinarily translate laïcité as “secularity” or “secularism” (the latter being the political system),[3] although it is sometimes rendered in English as laicity or laicism by its opponents.[citation needed] While the term was first used with this meaning in 1871 in the dispute over the removal of religious teachers and instruction from elementary schools, the word laïcisme dates to 1842.[4]
In its strict and official acceptance, it is the principle of separation of church (or religion) and state.[5] Etymologically, laïcité is a noun formed by adding the suffix -ité (English -ity, Latin -itās) to the Latin adjective lāicus, a loanword from the Greek λᾱϊκός (lāïkós “of the people”, “layman”), the adjective from λᾱός (lāós “people”).[6]
French secularism has a long history. Currently, the French government is based on the 1905 French law on the Separation of the Churches and the State.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laïcité
gravenimage says
Of course, there is no separation of church and state in Islam.
j_not_a says
I’m sorry, but i read macaroni’s blustery little statement, and I have no clue what the eff he was trying to say.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Unless by “reorganize islam in France” he means plucking it up by the roots and dropping it back out in the desert where it belongs, this plan will likely come to nothing.
Linnte says
Maybe, just MAYBE Macron will read a Qur’an! If he does, and if he has ANY critical thinking skills at ALL, he just might get how screwed France already is.
Jack Dawkins says
Clouseau: Does yer dewg bite?
Inn Keeper: No
Clouseau: Nice Doggy (bends down to pet a dachshund – it snarls and bites him)
I thought you said yer dewg did not bite!
Inn Keeper: Zat… iz not my dog!
Roland Tours says
Religious extremists are very tenacious. They don’t need Antonio Gramsci to tell them about “moving up through the institutions” or playing parliamentary hardball. Ex. The Israeli Chief Rabbinate has been taken over by anti-Zionist Haredim (ulltra-Orthodox). Likewise, Macron”s proposed system for supervising Islam in France could end up controlled by conservative Muslims who care little for the French national state.
Richard Courtemanche says
Another moron. A kafir will change Islam in France. Yea, right!