“We say at every opportunity we have that Syria, Iraq and other places in the geography [map] in our hearts are no different from our own homeland. We are struggling so that a foreign flag will not be waved anywhere where adhan [Islamic call to prayer in mosques] is recited.”
Apparently Erdogan means at the very least the recapture of all the lands once held by the Ottoman Empire. That’s not just Greece, as in the article title below. That’s also Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, Algeria, Syria, Iraq, Israel, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, and more. How seriously this can be taken is anybody’s guess, but it shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand. Erdogan is already moving against the Kurds in Syria, explicitly calling the action a “jihad” and invoking the Ottoman era repeatedly.
And “We are struggling so that a foreign flag will not be waved anywhere where adhan [Islamic call to prayer in mosques] is recited” refers to far more than just the old Ottoman domains. That means everywhere there are Muslims in Europe and everywhere else. The caliphate is, in Sunni Islamic theology, the sole legitimate government for Muslims on earth, to which all Muslims owe allegiance. Erdogan is saying more clearly than he ever has before, as far as I know, that he is going to restore the caliphate. And he is virtually promising war with the non-Muslim (at least for now) states of Europe.
How far we have come. Just a few years ago, mainstream analysts would dismiss my talk of jihad and the caliphate by pointing to Turkey as an example of how Islam can coexist with democracy, and confidently predicting that soon the rest of the Islamic world would follow Turkey’s lead. Now they don’t talk about Turkey so much anymore.
“Turkey Threatens to Invade Greece,” by Uzay Bulut, Gatestone Institute, February 19, 2018:
…Referring to the days of the Ottoman Empire, Erdoğan went on:
“Those who think that we have erased from our hearts the lands from which we withdrew in tears a hundred years ago are wrong.
“We say at every opportunity we have that Syria, Iraq and other places in the geography [map] in our hearts are no different from our own homeland. We are struggling so that a foreign flag will not be waved anywhere where adhan [Islamic call to prayer in mosques] is recited.
“The things we have done so far [pale in comparison to the] even greater attempts and attacks [we are planning for] the coming days, inshallah [Allah willing].”…
Cheer Bear Girl says
He basically declared war on Europe. I doubt the leaders of the EU will get a freaking clue.
Richard says
Yes he has! He claims Morocco, and Morocco still claims ownership of the Iberian Peninsula, which means Spain and Portugal. The Ottomans once got as far as the gates of Vienna, which might also mean he would try for Austria. As you infer, the way things are right now, Europe might let him have them. After all, ‘we mustn’t be judgmental haters.’ Orban is looking more and more like El Cid.
mortimer says
CBG, he actually declared war on all countries that were part of the Ottoman Empire from Morocco to Mecca and from Vienna to Persia. He declared war on well over 30 countries.
Erdogan is a mad man, even a mad dog. Someone will have to put him on a strong leash. He is speaking as Hitler spoke before WWII about expansionism. Now that Germany has 4 million Turks living in Germany, it cannot disagree with a Turkish dictator without exciting Turkish immigrants who are friends of Erdogan.
The Western powers have to find a way to replace Erdogan through a coup d’état.
gabi says
Mad dogs are killed, as soon as you get sick rabies has no cure. I wonder about rabid men’s fate!
John McMenamin says
So, Germany has to EXPEL ALL islam . Peacefully or Not, EXPEL THEM.
Anne Smith says
I thought they had already tried one which failed because it was badly planned and poorly executed, which was the fate of so many of its participants.
The Western leaders will not have a clue what he is talking about as they firmly believe Islam is “a religion of peace”.
Mamo says
How about the white women,they do love Turk
bamalamadingdong says
they tried that and it failed….Turkeys military has turned over the last few decades to less secular to more Muslim….Turkey is done…..
StellaSaidSo says
‘Orban is looking more and more like El Cid.’
I know what you mean, Richard, but let’s not forget that El Cid wasn’t always on ‘our’ side. He was a mercenary, who served in the army of the Moorish king of Zaragoza, and later commanded a combined army of Christians and Moors in order to create his own fiefdom in Valencia. I don’t think that Viktor Orban’s loyalties are quite so questionable!
gravenimage says
True, Stella–the historic El Cid was actually quite an equivocal figure.
I think people tend to refer to the El Cid of fiction and film, who was a staunch bulwark agains the Saracen hordes.
BC says
No he is looking more and more like Hitler, in fact he is the Turkish Hitler and his demagogy sounds just like Hitler, who at one point had almost all of Europe under his control
gravenimage says
Exactly, Cheer Bear Girl.
Aram says
Erdogan’s army can’t take a town(Afrin-Syria) from a few thousand Kurdish girls, but he dreams of reviving Ottoman era?!
Linnte says
Erdrogan has, in NO way opened up his full wrath on the Kurds or any nation yet. The EU and NATO keep a lid on him. Once he decides to make his move, it will be Swift and strong. There’s a REASON Europe is inundated with Turks. This is the Islamic way and he has masterninded this plan all while in power.
As someone previously said, ” It’s gonna get ugly”.
Linnte says
Just as the Bible says! Erdogan is creating the Beast. And the Islamic Nation with the most oil will be one of his main targets. Look out Saudi Arabia…Erdogan is coming for you!
Right before our very eyes, Bible prophesy is happening. And you’re exactly correct Bear Girl- Europe is clueless.
Truth Seeker says
I totally agree, Linnte!
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(Rev 13:3 KJV)
J D S says
It’s time to squash this bug before it multiples. What does one do with the when the plague appears on the scene….? One works hard to eradicate it.
Veracious_one says
when the plague came no one knew what to do….the same thing today…
Texan Forever says
The Ottomans were in Spain for 400 years before being kicked out. That’s why so many Spaniards are Arab brown rather than pale Castilian with blue eyes. This coloration was passed on to the Mexicans by the Spanish conquest.
Erdogan is an international Criminal on a par with Pol Pot and Stalin, and should be treated as such. His goal is world domination by the Muslim Caliphate.
.
esther says
he’s insane. The threats of a nut should never be ignored——a single
bullet to the brain should do it
Richard says
You sound like another Esther who saved the Jews.
J D S says
Yes RICHARD…..Easter did save the Jews as well as all mankind.
jewdog says
The thinnest book ever: “Foreign Friends of Erdogan”, or “How To Lose Friends and Alienate People” by Recep Erdogan, with a forward by Fethullah “The Putchist” Gulen.
JawsV says
The Quran is also a thin book. It’s filled with lots of repetition to thicken it.
jewdog says
Right, kind of like a sawdust sandwich.
gravenimage says
If only it were so benign, Jewdog…
it’s more like an arsenic sandwich.
Garfield says
Iran though….
JawsV says
The Ottoman Empire. What a joke. Moslems live in their past glories.
esther says
you call the OTTOMAN EMPIRE a “glory”? —–it existed on the dead bodies of millions and on the
exploitation of hundreds of millions. Ataturk TRIED but failed badly. The filth of shariah was—-
even despite the efforts of Ataturk——imposed WIDELY to slightly varying degrees THRUOUT—-
ask a greek, as a Christian turk, ask any non muslim from the north African coutries that were part
of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE.
Richard says
Ataturk succeeded with the upper-class city-dwelling Turks. The Turks living in the countryside never changed. Though they had no power, they had the same strong Islamic beliefs as the Turkish soldiers who marched barefoot into Russia in World War I. They now outnumber the liberal city-dwellers and they are getting their ideal leader in Hitler – excuse me, Erdogan. I cannot see how Turkey could begin to triumph over the rest of the world, but, looking at how Europe has collapsed before the demands of a few deadbeat Islamic rapist aliens, one cannot dismiss it.
StellaSaidSo says
Yes, Ataturk’s modernisation of Turkey did not extend to the countryside, where the primitive barbarism of Islam survived, to regain its former dominance under the ‘sultan’ Erdogan. Current provocations are a direct threat to peace in the region, and demand a prompt and decisive response. Forget the ‘Ottoman slap’; it’s time to slap the Ottoman. Hard.
JawsV says
No, esther, I don’t call it a glory. I call it an abomination. But, the Moslems see their defunct empire as a past glory. Get it now?
Westman says
True enough, Jaws. Allah hasn’t been willing for quite some time.
JawsV says
They must wonder about that, Westman!
Linnte says
This is no joke buddy. The OIC is the strongest unit in UN (or is it NATO?) Either way, if Erdogan has their support, the other half of the world(not the America’s) is screwed. All he has to do is stop delivery of OIL to Europe and the UK, and they will roll over and pay the jizya. Europe and UK will be conqured without a shot fired.
Z says
The Ottoman Empire is dead and buried
gravenimage says
Probably so–on the other hand, there never was a “1000-year Reich”, either–but that didn’t mean that Hitler was not dangerous…
Richard says
Absolutely. If just a few things had gone differently (for instance, had Hitler not declared war on the U.S. after Pearl Harbor), he could have won. The idea of Turkey taking on the world and winning sounds nuts, but Frederick the Great singlehandedly defeated almost all of Europe in the Seven Years War. One thing the Muslims have that the West lacks is fanatical dedication. I had a liberal aunt who said we should convert to Islam so we could get cheaper oil! The Greeks were debating how Philip of Macedon could have possibly conquered all of Greece. I believe it was Demosthenes who answered in four words: “Greece talked. Philip acted.”
gravenimage says
I don’t think Turkey can conquer the world–but they could do a great deal of damage trying…
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
You couldn’t be more wrong. Ataturk’s program failed. Turkey has the world’s biggest Mohammadan military.
Mohammadism is unreformable. Mohammadism is irredeemable. Mohammadism only understands and respects the strength of violence against it.
POD in Canuckistan says
There are also a lot of Turks already in Europe, especially Germany. We all know that their loyalty does not belong with the countries in which they reside so European militaries, such as they are, would not only be facing the Turkish army on the field but also a Turkish insurrection at home. This could get very ugly and victory is by no means assured.
Linnte says
Are you serious? If he can get the other 56+1 Islamic nations to join him, and he just might!- then the Ottoman Empire will be alive again. Never underestimate Islam/Satan.
mariam rove says
This guy is most defenitley high on drugs. M
LeftisruiningCanada says
must have been dropped on his head as a baby…
and continued hitting his head on the floor ever since.
Stefan cel Mare says
Romania was never Ottoman territory. Romania (Romanian principalities) had to pay money for peace, but never conquered. Contrary, when most of Balkans was conquered, Romanian principalities defeated few times the Ottomans.
But, as I can see that Europe is kissing islamic shoe, it is very possible to see Ottoman caliphate extended in Berlin, London, Stockholm, Paris, Madrid, Bruxelles, Amsterdam. West Europe is morally and cultural non-existent. They don’t even understand what mean patriotism, self defense, fight against invaders.
Linnte says
Europe or the UK don’t even admit they have been invaded, let alone have the foresight to fight for their freedom.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Well yes, but then calling some people ‘invaders’ might imply that they don’t have the same right to be in the UK as anybody else. That is anti revolutionary talk comrade, and zee valls have earz.
Philip McDonald says
What a cruel tyrant. At least he is honest of his intentions regarding ancient Christian lands and people groups.
StellaSaidSo says
Yes, his only redeeming feature is his honesty. We can’t say we weren’t warned.
Stefan cel Mare says
I think he knows something. In Europe we have about 60-70 millions registered muslims. And who knows how many unregistered. So, the Ottoman troops are here, now, waiting. On the other side, we have 200 millions effeminate males in Europe. Capable for war, if we are lucky, 50 millions. Police, army forces in Europe, already penetrated by muslims. In case of conflict, in West Europe, big part of army will fight against Europe. Muslims in Europe dream to cut europeans in pieces and rape. Europeans dream to have a Play Station 4 and open borders. I don’t think west Europe really have chances. Last chance, if there is one, is east Europe.
CRUSADER says
East Europe (and an alliance among Protestants/Lutherans and Catholics) came to the rescue of the rest of Europe…. in 1683.
HugoHackenbush says
September 11th 1683. Coincidence?! I think not.
Guy Forester says
Thank you for pointing that out. I knew there had to be a reason for that date to be chosen.
StellaSaidSo says
I agree, Stefan, the situation looks dire. But don’t give up on Western Europe yet. There are signs that the tide is turning.
dumbledoresarmy says
It is the season of Lent, right now.
PRAY!
Pray for deliverance, pray for revival, pray for the breaking down of the ‘strongholds’ of Dhimmitude. And.. pray for lots of apostasies from Islam!
Get out Ezekiel 37 and read it through and then pray some more.
Make a list of all the capital cities of Europe and pray for a mighty move of the Spirit.
Those who are in such deep despair that they cannot think of words to use can just get out the book of Psalms and read it through. Particularly Psalm 46.
Linnte says
Ormand has invited non Muslims of European decent to find sanctuary in Hungary. If I was stuck in Europe THAT’S where I’d be!
Michael Copeland says
“The mosques are our barracks, ….the faithful our soldiers.”
“Democracy is like a train. When you reach your destination you get off.”
Erdogan has stated his position before. Western leaders have not taken him at his word.
Stefan cel Mare says
Western leaders are muslims friends. They bring now in Europe soldiers of future islamic army. Ottomans are already raping, killing, destroying Europe. But there is nobody to stop them.
gravenimage says
True, Michael.
Phil Copson says
Add in his warning that “Europeans will not be able to walk the streets of their cities in safety.” – (I think that we can all agree that one has come to pass…) – and his Prime Minister’s threat of “Holy War” against Europe, and anyone with an atom of sense* has long been able to see where this is heading.
* Unfortunately, this does not include those in public-life, whose sole raison d’etre is the denial of reality.
David Grisez says
Erdogan is a very proud man with a big ego to see himself rebuilding the Ottoman Empire. Any attempt to rebuild the Ottoman Empire will plunge a large section of the Middle East and Europe into war. We have here another dangerous leader, like the leader of North Korea and the Ayatollah Leaders of Iran.
Eric jones says
Be advised that Turkey and Greece fought over Cyprus in the 1960’s. Both countries are NATO allies.
When Turkey kills USA troops in Syria will Trump try to appease him? Will Erdogan trap Trump into helping Turkey’s military aggression because Turkey is a NATO ally?
If Trump does not respond properly to Turkey killing USA troops watch for top American generals resign in disgust.
Only time will tell.
Eric
gravenimage says
We should recognize that Turkey is no ally of ours.
Richard says
No kidding!!!!
Buraq says
Perhaps Jihad Watch readers should know that the Parthenon was once used as a Mosque! In 1456, Ottoman Turkish forces invaded Athens and conquered it. And near the close of the 15th Century, the Parthenon was made into a Mosque.
And just to prove the Muslim mind-set has not changed: The Turks stored gunpowder in the Parthenon, and when the Venetians laid siege to the Acropolis in 1687, one of the Venetian bombs hit the magazine, causing a huge explosion that destroyed a great part of the monument which had been preserved in a good condition until then.
So, using Mosques as weapons and munitions dumps. These clowns never change!
Eur says
Well.. the Parthenon before being a mosque was a bizantine church…
gravenimage says
I’m afraid this is false moral relativism, Eur.
Greeks became Christian–and not through force. An invading Muslim force seizing the Parthenon to use as a Mosque is a very different matter.
Guy Forester says
Christian churches and Jewish synagogues are converted to Mosques or destroyed and mosques built over them. Other uses for other religions holy sites have been latrines.
This is a symbol of Muslim superiority. As pointed out above, Erdogan’s pronouncement regarding the call to prayer indicates that he intends to continue this practice. If an area is inhabited or conquered by muslims, that area cannot be returned to the previous or any other non-muslim control. Hence the continued war against Israel. We now have mosques in the US, including former churches.
Before this gets cleared up, it will not be pretty.
StellaSaidSo says
No, it is a mere statement of historical fact.
gravenimage says
True, Buraq.
Prabh108 says
Entire region of ‘turkey’ rightfully belongs to Civilization of Hellenic Greece.
(Socrates, Plato, Aristotle)
Eric jones says
And Alexander of Macedon!
Eric
ARMEN says
Wow . You are so smart. What about Armenia.
Chrysotheras says
“Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.”
Anonymous ancient proverb, attributed to Euripides.
HugoHackenbush says
Thought it was “…first make proud”. Aka “hubris”.
Peter says
Erdogan’s Islamist Turkey is once again a self-declared enemy of the West.
Ren says
“Erdogan vows to recapture all lands once held by the Ottoman Empire.”
In a million years, Erdogan.
Ange Kenos says
Erdogan first said this stuff years ago and in the mean time was called the USA’s best mate by Mr Obama and is the home of huge business interests for Mr Trump. He is buying weaponry now from the UK and Italy, as well as the USA. But his opposition have now joined the band wagon and promised war will come. Yet the media ignore it all, until it will be too late
Eric jones says
Obama the Islamist had stated that Erdogan was his “favorite foreign leader”.
Eric
No Fear says
Blame it on the goats.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“We are struggling so that a foreign flag will not be waved anywhere where adhan [Islamic call to prayer in mosques] is recited.”
This is a very threatening statement.
The leader (for life?) of Turkey just admitted to waging jihad for a global caliphate.
CRUSADER says
But it has nothing to do with religion…..
Nope.
Nothing at all to do with religion….
Gjallarhornet says
Sounds like he’s saying he’ll conquer the world … meanwhile in reality he gets his ass kicked by the Kurds.
Richard says
Saladin was a Kurd.
LeftisruiningCanada says
He is not those men!
Wellington says
Erdogan is an egomaniac. By now, this should be clear to all but the most dense (N.B., evil people are a subset of the most dense).
If there are any collective guts left among the Turks, they should overthrow this guy. He has Hitler-like delusions and is bad news for much of the world, especially the West. Hell, he’s even bad news for Turkey, just as Hitler was bad news not just for others but for Germany itself. He needs to go.
Jay says
Many Turks did try and overthrow Erdogan back in 2016, normally the US would support these people. However Barack Hussein Obama was POTUS at the time and allowed Erdogan to crush the revolt.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
“We say at every opportunity we have that Syria, Iraq and other places in the geography [map] in our hearts are no different from our own homeland.”
The Iran-Iraq war used up men, money, materiel, and morale on both sides, for eight years.
The Saudi-Iran was is currently using up men, money, materiel, and morale, mainly in Yemen, on both sides.
Now Erdogan threatens, if i understand him correctly, a war to retake former Ottoman lands, beginning with Syria and Iraq. An excellent choice, this conceivable Turkish-Arab war, from the viewpoint of Infidels. May it use up men, money, materiel, and morale, on both sides, for a long time.
Gjallarhornet says
You are onto something … If a cauldron could be set up, and Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia and couple of others of the real bads, like Somalia, would join in … we, and everybody else, should just get out, bolt the entry and exit points for the battlefield … and let them fight. All they want.
In a couple of decades, when the very few and very battered survivors would emerge, ready to rebuild their devastated countries and economies they would find out that in the meantime we’ve developed renewable energy and the world don’t need them anymore. Sound good, dosen’t it? 🙂
CRUSADER says
Thinking with Positivity!
That gets Pluses:
+++++++++
DEUS VULT
+++++++++
Roderick MacUalraig says
Very good idea. Leave them to their self-inflicted demise.
TheOldOligarch says
The problem is the massive refugee crisis that would create a the same time. There is no way the bleeding hearts in Europe would suffer to keep the borders closed.
gravenimage says
Yes–it would probably have that insane effect in Europe and the rest of the West.
Ray Jarman says
GravenImage, There would be hope if Switzerland and Austria were to close their borders with Italy unless Italy were to elect a strong conservative government such as the Northern League which would block all immigrants. If they over powered Greece, the Baltic Nations and Poland would prevent any from arriving in Germany. That leaves France and the Iberian Peninsula with which to contend. I just hope that we don’t witness any of the mess that Turkey could cause by taking a hard stand before it is out of control.
gravenimage says
Ray, I hope we do see more Europeans acting to end the flood of Muslims into the West.
Gjallarhornet says
Then we must just hire a very, very good and expensive media consultant firm. Thanks to leftie weefare state policies all over Europe, the European state should be well stacked. Would be great .,,, take the islamofriendlys tax dollar – and use it against him. 🙂
Myint Shwe says
Greece gives the world three beautiful words – Democracy, Philosophy, and Olympic.
The world owes Greece to have its sovereignty vis a vis the Turkish threat.
gravenimage says
Erdogan vows to recapture all lands once held by the Ottoman Empire — and more
………………………
More proof that Erdogan wants to be Caliph, and preside over a new Caliphate.
Karen says
And hopefully this is the final nail in the coffin for Turkey’s entrance into the EU…for all time and eternity.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer ,you are just misinterpreting Erdogan’s words for hatred towards muslims. Erdogan is refering to foreign infiltrators into muslim lands like evil united states .He never said any thing closer to invading non-muslim nations. whether you like Muslim Turkey or not, it Will continue thriving under Erdorgan and beyond.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr Spencer ,you are just misinterpreting Erdogan’s words for hatred towards muslims. Erdogan is refering to foreign infiltrators into muslim lands like evil united states .
…………………………………
What crap–Erdogan talked about retaking Syria and Iraq. The US has *never* been in Syria–why is he pretending we don’t know this?
More:
He never said any thing closer to invading non-muslim nations.
…………………………………
Actually, Erdogan said, “We are struggling so that a foreign flag will not be waved anywhere where adhan [Islamic call to prayer in mosques] is recited”
Infidels have–foolishly–allowed the Muslim call to prayer to be broadcast in Greece, in Bulgaria, and Israel–is the vile Ibrahim itace muhammed now claiming that these are Muslim countries?
More:
whether you like Muslim Turkey or not, it Will continue thriving under Erdorgan and beyond.
…………………………………
Look what the appalling Ibrahim itace considers “thriving”–threatening their neighbors, both Muslim and non-Muslim. Really, this should not surprise…
Champ says
The imbecile is addicted to falsehoods–whether it’s following a false prophet and false god: islam, or spreading falsehoods himself. He just can’t seem to get enough of it.
don vito says
-40.765
Champ says
😀
Carlos Danger says
Individuals in the West should acquire weapons and learn how to use them.
This should happen as soon as possible.
It will not do to wait until fighting breaks out.
Most current Western politicians including senior police officers and “intelligence” types are extremely unlikely to be much help in any coming battle.
Ray Jarman says
This opens a discussion that has not happened before. What happens when a NATO member attacks another, Cyprus excluded as it is not technically part of Greece? If Greece calls for a special council to force an abrogation of Turkey’s membership and enforces Article 5 of the Alliance, will the other nations agree. The problem with NATO is that it requires a one hundred percent vote to accept a new member and I am not sure but I would bet that the same rule applies to the ousting of a member. Turkey’s attack on the Greek islands is clearly an act of war upon Greece, period. Unlike Hussein, I don’t envision President Trump backing down to Erdogan like Hussein would have done.
gravenimage says
I hope Turkey is pushed out of NATO. They never should have been part of it.
Wellington says
During the Cold War, gravenimage, and specifically in the 1950’s and 60’s, when Turkey was still in full Ataturk mode and an inveterate opponent of the USSR, even though it was not a free nation (though definitely a far better polity than under the Ottomans), it was nonetheless, geopolitically and militarily, strategically placed to serve NATO quite well, even to the extent that it was invited into NATO (and shrewdly, I would argue, at the same time {1952} as Greece was).
And so let me ask you this question, were Turkey still an “Ataturk” country, rather than, sadly, an “Erdogan” country, would you still assert that Turkey should not ever have been made part of NATO?
I would argue that it is not Ataturk Turkey that should never have been in NATO in the first place, but rather Erdogan Turkey which should be kicked out of NATO, the sooner the better. Would be most interested in your response.
Sometimes, you know, alliances must be drawn with those not even remotely in full accord with your basic principles. No better example of this could be given than America and Britain’s alliance with Stalin in WWII. And surely, whatever faults Ataturk’s Turkey had (and they were many, foremost the continued denial of the Armenian Genocide), such faults still take a distant second place to the faults and nefarious influences that Lenin’s and Stalin’s USSR demonstrated, particularly when looked upon not by the perspective of a regional standard but a global one. Hence the logic of Turkey coming into NATO in 1952——-and which logic is no longer applicable because of 1) the ending of the Cold War; and 2) Erdogan.
Ray Jarman says
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1
gravenimage says
Yes, I take your point, Wellington–I am well aware of the history of the Cold War, and know that Turkey in the 1950s was a much different place than it is today. A big part of it was Turkey’s historic enmity with Russia.
But even at the time there were disturbing aspects, like the Istanbul Pogrom against the few remaining Christian Greeks there.
Considering them an ally was never ideal–and in recent decades with Turkey fast Islamizing under Erdogan, it makes less sense all the time.
William May says
If this threat is real,I’m amazed that this ‘throwback’ is still wearing a western suit!!
I’m so glad that we in Britain are breaking free of EU superstate.It’s anything but ‘super’ now and ,judging by the naivety shown by it’s Dictators,it is destined to let the muslim plan succeed.
Britain may have to,yet again,come to the rescue,for the third time.
Linnte says
I hate to tell you this my UK friend, but Britain is already almost lost to Islam. If Britain doesn’t turn the tables in the next election for PM(especially) and change the face of the house, there will be absolutely no hope. Every day I wonder why I don’t see the common person’s RISE up and demand that Islam be put in it’s place, but only a few have any courage to be public about their desires. It appears to me, viewing from a distance, that the anti Islam population of the UK are just as powerless as Christians in Egypt: and they remain just as quietly castrated of their power. So very sad.
CRUSADER says
The Battle of Vienna, 1683: A Documentary – YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHSbIz8fEY
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Muslim invasion of Europe (Gates of Vienna 1683) – YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4hNHYC8GMM
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Gates of Vienna: The Other September 11th
gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/09/other-september-11th.html
… the other 9- 11:
September 11th, 1683, the day when an alliance of Christian armies led by Jan III Sobieski, the King of Poland, arrived at the Gates of Vienna.
Prebanian says
View the movie released in 2012, “The Day of the Siege”, for an interesting portraying of the Battle of Vienna, the events leading to it, and how the loss of the battle lead to the fall of the Ottoman empire. (on one or more of Youtube, Netflix, Prime)
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Yes CRUSADER. History, for those who don’t study it, always repeats itself.
Another clip from the film you introduced. I LOVE this clip. I LOVE this film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zCv0AHnCs
POD in Canuckistan says
How utterly inspiring. Deus Vult.
Jan Sobieski must be spinning in his grave at the state of Europe today.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Sobieski sending message of victory to the Pope after the Battle of Vienna, by Jan Matejko:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_III_Sobieski#/media/File:King_John_III_Sobieski_Sobieski_sending_Message_of_Victory_to_the_Pope,_after_the_Battle_of_Vienna_111.PNG
AleX says
Actually, there were two sieges of Vienna by the filthy ottoman musselmen.
The first was in 1529.
The second in 1683.
Turks were twice repelled and came back tails between legs.
allah wasn’t present in battles (sick leave).
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
You are absolutely correct. The first attempt was only thwarted by bad weather. Vienna was considered the gateway to Europe.
In the second attempt, Louis XIV wanted the Turks to take Vienna so that he would become the strongest ruler in Europe. It is internecine bickering that will be our undoing; Mohammadism always take advantage of our infighting.
Mohammadism still has the ambition of taking Europe.
Frank Anderson says
F.C.I., “Today Europe; Tomorrow the World!” The ambitions of terror and slavery have no limits, until free people put them in place, and make evil stop.
Linnte says
Thanks for the videos!
Prebanian says
Since the most recent coup failed to remove the Islamic Terrorist Erdogan from office, he and his followers have come all the more radical. The U.S. should be moving its forces from Turkey to Greece. That would deprive Turkey of income derived from the U.S. for having bases there and make it easier to repel their planned attack on Greece. The U.S. should also stop providing $135000 per year to Turkey in humanitarian aid. The fact that Turkey could afford to build (and did built) a $100 million mosque and cultural center in Maryland (think forward operating base/proselytizing center) means they could be using the foreign mosque/operating base money as aid to their own poverty stricken citizens.
Raja says
Enter the third evil force which is competing with present two evil forces and the evil forces will be overcrowded in one terrain i.e Middle East, That Ataturk could not eradicate Islam is evident now. This also alures to the idea that Ataturk’s “taming” of Islam was MORE OF POLITICAL EXIGENCY OF his time, as Turkey was a sick man of Europe then.
The theater of the absurd run by Islamist is getting interesting.
Arthur says
Look at how the Muslims throughout western countries violently protest Israel’s existence, claiming ‘Palestinian’ grievance. Erdogan is rabid with Islamic dreams of a caliphate. He is the spark that will light the fire.
Say there is a US attack on Turkey in retaliation for Turkish attacks on US troops in Iraq. Europe will burn hot due to its pre-existing ‘migrant’ warriors protesting US action. Erdogan hopes to march into the weakness created by this chaos. The nuclear powers (UK and France) are already infiltrated to the highest levels in order to avoid nuclear retaliation. Greece and Italy will fall with the touch of a feather and become a Turkish gateway. Germany will negotiate for appeasement and a divided population will be too weak to resist. France and Spain will resist, but not competently. The UK will sit on the sidelines, mute and Brexited. With the collapse of NATO, Putin will offer eastern Europe protection at a price. Chances are the US will bungle a last opportunity to form an alliance with eastern Europe and Poland, Czech, Hungary, Austria will be under siege from both east and west. Eventually, Putin takes them. Erdogan will drive Europe retrograde as quickly as he has driven Turkey backward. Erdogan dies, and then there is endless battle between factions who seek to inherit the Caliphate. The elites of Europe who brought this onto themselves fan out to remaining western nations, but adhere to their same failed notions and call for peace and appeasement.
Or maybe I’m just being pessimistic.
Raja says
Arthur, I cannot disagree with you. I think you are being realistic…Isn’t this the state of global affairs?
Pathfinder0100 says
Really do hope that you are wrong but I’m afraid that you just might be right!!
gravenimage says
Turkey has a very weak military–I think there is reason for concern, but I don’t see Turkey conquering Europe outright.
JayT says
What? Turkey as of last year was ranked 8th in terms of global fire power among 133 countries. Conventional weapons that is, not taking into account nuclear nations. Not weak at all.
I’ve heard for a while now, they were the strongest military Islamic country for conventional forces. I believe that was before Obama sold $60 billion in military hardware to Saudi Arabia.
Even so, I would agree they can do nothing with their military against other nations. Attacking Israel gets them the most support among Islamic nations, but there’s that pesky fact about Israel’s nukes, along with at least matching conventional military strength, so that’s out. Attacking Greece or another European nation is likely going to get them in a fight with more than one nation in Europe.
Kicking them out of NATO is long overdue. Does anyone remember during the Iraq wars, Turkey denied their airspace to the U.S. and coalition forces to pass over? Clearly, their loyalty at that time was for a fellow Islamic nation over their commitment to NATO (no surprise there).
Ray Jarman says
+1
Linnte says
Oh man! I got that twinge of prophetic truth goosebumps reading this.
Ray Jarman says
Arthur, No but it does sound like you are comparing the present day EU leaders to Robespierre who will have their heads chopped off by cult of which they claim to be worthy of EU protection.
Raja says
All said and done we are not too far away from WWIII even as Erdogan smells the Caliph’s seat. Maybe he sees this as the best time to go in for the kill ( of Europe)
infidel says
Thank GOD that the USA is the current undisputed superpower (but I wonder for how long)..
Just imagine if the USA was not No.1, rogue nations like Turkey, Syria, Pakistan, N Korea and other mad nations like Iran, Saudi etc will have a free run to orchestrate mayhem and destruction all across the planet. Thank G for the USA and may it always be..
gravenimage says
Thanks, Infidel–I agree.
dsinc says
Thank God for the USA getting Trump, instead of Hillary.
infidel says
+ 1 trillion @dsinc.. Just imagine toxic Huma Abedin as Secy of State.. The USA would have been as good as gone.. Trump should be President for the full 8 years, followed by Pence for another 8 years. And Yes, I should have worded it as: THANK GOD FOR REPUBLICAN USA
Ray Jarman says
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
POD in Canuckistan says
+2
Champ says
+100, infidel!
Guy Forester says
Greece, Cyprus, and Italy are probable early targets. I recommend that we drop Turkey from NATO. Do not wait any longer, remove our bases from Turkey and move them to Greece and Cyprus. My main concern is Greek politics are so far to the left that they will do nothing to protect their own interests until it is too late. Russia would love to control the Bosporus and try to take Constantinople, I mean Istanbul. We should let the megalomaniacs of Iran, Turkey, and Russia fight it out amongst themselves.
Ray Jarman says
Guy, We already have a huge at Naval Air Station Sigonella adjacent to the NATO complex on Sicily. We have a base in Greece already just outside of Athens and NATO has a complex just below the University in Athens and we have several locations in Italy so we will not lose to much by pulling out of Incirlik. The NATO contingent in Smyrna (Izmir) would also be pulled out.
Guy Forester says
Thanks Ray!
I knew we have the base in Italy, but not Greece. Moving out of Turkey would also be an economic blow to the blowhard Erdogan. I am sure that NATO and the US pony up a lot of foreign currency between rents, paychecks, and spending by the military and civilian personnel that we have there.
Ray Jarman says
+++1
Relic says
dezz nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPuj6UISMhs
MFritz says
He won’t last long.
Once the Western nations and NATO completely drop Turkey, the economy will fail and overpopulation will bite its ass.
Russia will not accept Turkey as an alley with Erdogan in charge. They have learned the lesson in regards to trusting mad dictators.
Other states in the region will also keep their distance from Erdogan, so no political or economic options there.
With Turkey failing the islamists will try to take over the country. Since they are not the majority and don’t have the majority behind them this will end in civil war.
Since the military is clearly behind Erdogan his side will be strong in the beginning, but not strong enough to suppress the uprise of the islamists in the cities. Urban warfare doesn’t work very well in your own country.
After a couple of years Turkey will either be rid of Erdogan AND the islamists – or go fully shithole country.
We shall see.
Baucent says
This guy bother’s me more than the North Korean nutcase. Erdogan is a megalomanic, thank God he hasn’t yet got nuclear weapons. Clearly he is miffed those ISIS upstarts dared to declare a Caliphate when the title was rightfully his.
Ray Jarman says
Baucent, I must disagree a bit because the real threat is Iran because of it Shia belief in the Apocalypse and the return of the last warrior. Their military is also more competent than Erdogan’s as well as their possession of nuclear weapons and missiles for delivering them. Also one must realize how close the Iranians and N. Koreans are working with each other. Erdogan is a tadpole compared to the Mullahs.
Guy Forester says
Agreed Ray. By the way, I read a book published around 1993 that clearly pointed out how Iran and DPRK were working together on nuclear weapons and missiles. Unfortunately, I passed it on to someone else and lost track of it.
My conclusion is this: You do not see Iran testing nukes and warheads for missiles. They do not need to, as whatever NK learns is passed on to Iran, and vice versa. Once fatso can demonstrate a deliverable warhead, with or without decoys, Iran will start building them as well. No need to test, they are both using the same designs. Both do not see it, but they are proxies for China and Russia, who has helped both with certain areas of technology.
Ray Jarman says
Guy, Thanks for the comment. You are certainly correct about Russia and China. I do not trust either one and I keep hoping that they will go to war with one another but I that my chances of winning a hundred million dollars in a lottery are better than those two going at each other.
Manos says
Isn’t their a fanatic evangelical American Christian in the USA Airforce that can arm a F22 or a stealth bomber with a tactical nuke and drop one on that Turks head?..
Then his Ottoman Empire will burn in hell along with these Islamic pedophiles.
Hogdude says
I believe Islam is a political movement cloaked in a religion. It goes back as far as the first Crusade. All Crusades were intended to retake the Holy Land from the Muslims, who had seized it from them in the first instance. Erdogan gives us the clue.
Jim says
The Grecians should have claim to all if not most of Turkey if historical facts are presenting. This guy is dangerous and European countries and leadership should stand firm against his words. I believe his thinking will damage Greece. Greeks should fortify their eastern boundaries…heed his words
infidel says
Islamic countries, esp, would have embarked on a criminal Jehaad against non-Muslim countries ALL OVER THE GLOBE (as required by their book)… IF NOT FOR THE FEAR OF THE USA….
Love the USA or hate it…… It is the only nation that still gives hope for the good and the decent people of this world regarding the future. We, the citizens of the free world, esp those outside of the USA, should defend this LAST BASTION OF HOPE to our deaths…..
POD in Canuckistan says
+1
dumbledoresarmy says
This should be the last straw, so to speak.
He needs to be kicked out of NATO – NOW.
And the Islamoresistant politicians in Europe – the few that there are – ought to be calling for ALL Turkish Muslim funding of mosques and other organisations anywhere in Europe to be stopped, NOW; for ALL entry of Muslims from Turkey into any part of Europe, to be stopped, NOW; for all non-citizen Turkish Muslims to be expelled, and those currently possessing citizenship, interned, pending a change in the laws to permit *their* deportation, also.
FYI says
And to whom is this call to prayer,this adhan, directed?
To their god allah….
who commands his followers to murder infidels k2:191
who curses the Jews and the Christians k9:30
who commands muslims not to be friends with “infidels”
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends” koran 5:51
This “allah” is obviously NOT the Biblical God!
Given the true nature of “allah” and his “holy” koran and his murderously evil false “prophet” muhammed..
This adhan: wherever it is recited,satan must be nearby..
The adhan is NOT a call to prayer to the True Biblical Judeo Christian God:it is to their god “allah”.
Richard Courtemanche says
A madman part of NATO… Thye CIA should get busy!
brane pilot says
It is the 1930s again in Europe.
All the pieces are falling into place.
This time, the ‘Jews’ are ethnic Europeans.
Europe is politically impotent, and its military is an invasion escort service.
Get ready to rumble.
Linnte says
Yep.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Mostly agree, though i’d say that Jews are still “the Jews”.
Remember, Nazism was very bad for many Germans in general. It was pretty easy to get yourself in serious trouble by expressing any kind of anti-hitler / anti-party sentiment.
Mahendra Singh says
So, will he raise the Janissary corps also. Christian boys from Serbia, Bulgaria, and Macedonia will be
captured, forcibly snatched from their weeping relatives, converted to Islam and trained to expand the empire in Europe. This is not an empty warning. The recent Muslim influx into Europe is a part of this plan.
Brennan Kingsland says
What amazes me is that so few people have recognized the fact that thousands of mosques, and the Islamic call to prayer (screeched 5 times a day), are located right here in the good ole USA.
Europe has definitely got a problem, as does Israel…but so do we! Do you think Erdogan wasn’t including the USA in that threat?
Anyone ever hear the phrase “Death to America” being chanted by the Moslems!
WAKE UP!
Mathew says
Erdogan is going crazy ..coming soon..Armenia