Tomas Samuel’s analysis holds true not just for the call to prayer in Sweden, but all over the West.
“Ex-Imam about Muslim prayer call: ‘Shows power and control over the country,'” translated from “Ex-imam om muslimska böneutrop: ‘Visar på makt och kontroll över landet,'” by Anna Ernius, Samtiden, February 23, 2018:
ISLAM. A mosque in Växsjö has applied for a prayer call. This has aroused debate, not least since Bishop Fredrik Modeus said he welcomed the Muslim proclamation…
This motivated former Imam Tomas Samuel to explain what the prayer call stands for.
The imam of the mosque in Växsjö also compared the Muslim call to prayer with church bells as an argument for getting the prayer call approved.
Bishop Fredrik Modeus has received harsh words after his statement that he welcomes the application for the Muslim prayer call, and hoped to hear both church bells and prayer calls in Växjö.
“I think that many of those who have spoken this way have a real fear of what’s unfamiliar.
“That fear I respect, but I do not think that the way forward is to prevent others from exercising their religion,” said the bishop to the newspaper Dagen.
Tomas Samuel, a Christian apologist and former Imam, therefore, wants to provide knowledge of what the prayer call stands for.
“By going to the Islamic sources, we can get a foundation that can help decision makers make the right decision,” he says.
“What we discover is that the prayer call states that everyone should submit to Islam, and proclaims power over the area of the prayer.
Tomas Samuel writes that at first glance it may seem that church bells and prayer calls are the same, but that this is a logical error.
“Church bells are not a confession, it’s just a musical sound. They are not trying to assert power and control over the country. In addition, most churches do not use the bells, several do not even have any.”
“The difference is obvious,” writes Tomas Samuel.
The prayer call is called “Adhan” in Arabic and means “information, enlightenment.”
“The prayer call comes for essentially two reasons: it will remind people of when it is time to pray, and the prayer call will proclaim Islam over a city,” according to Tomas Samuel.
“At that time there were no alarm clocks. As the Muslim population increased in number, there was a real need to remind people of the different prayer times.”
“But that need hardly exists today, because we have wristwatches and clocks on the walls and in our mobile phones.
He quotes “Omdat Al-Ahkam”, one of the most important books for Islamic law:
“Adhan is a very important ritual in the religious practice of Islam, one can liken it to the Muslim flag. Its proclamation shows that the people of the city are Muslims.”
“It is also important for the proclamation of the word of Allah, thus manifesting the religion of Allah (Islam).”
“The prayer call begins with giving thanks by proclaiming ‘Allahu akbar,’ to show that Allah is the greatest and that everything and everyone should bow to Allah and Islam. The Islamic profession of faith is the second part of the prayer call (‘There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.'”
“This confirms Islam and proclaims it (Islam) across the country.”
“The prayer call should be done by a man who has a beautiful voice.”
“Women are not allowed to raise their voices, because a woman’s voice could mean a temptation for men,” continues Tomas Samuel.
“The prayer call should be done with a loud voice. There is promise of a reward from Allah for a loud voice that reaches as far as possible.”
“The prayer call will take place at the exact time of the five prayers.”
Tomas Samuel believes that the Växsjö mosque’s application for a prayer call is only the beginning.
“Many other mosques will make the same request, not only to have the prayer call twice a week, but five times a day.”
He emphasizes that everybody is free to believe how he wants.
“But your freedom ends when my starts. One of the simplest rights is that no one should be forced to listen to a creed he does not believe in,” he writes.
MFritz says
Which has been well known for CENTURIES.
J D S says
Church bells vs Muslim prayer call.
The bells have a nice soothing sound whilst the prayer sounds like a bunch of howler monkeys…Therefore: No Contest.
dan christensen says
Go to this video – https://youtu.be/tLUTe9ZQpYk – and observe an interesting demonstration in an affluent swedish residential district around Stockholm.
Hugo Hackenbush says
There is no need for any call to prayer…I’m sure there’s an app for that. This is supremacism pure and simple.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agreed.
As with most things they get up to.
Jayell says
“Church bells are not a confession, it’s just a musical sound. They are not trying to assert power and control over the country. In addition, most churches do not use the bells, several do not even have any.”
Absolutely. Bells have been in general use as public sound signals throughout the West for a variety of reasons: clocks, schools, emergency vehicles and maritime warnings, but they are essentially mechanical and anonymous, and obviously can’t carry any specific message; the hearer has to know what they mean by context alone, otherwise it’s just another (hopefully pleasant) environmental sound. On the other hand the Call to Prayer is, of course, verbal and carries a message that amounts to thought-control and propaganda not unlike the PA speaker systems on street corners in totalitarian countries; which would, of course, be quite in keeping with the nature of islam.
This must be all pretty obvious, and anyone who seriously tries to draw a direct parallel between the Call to Prayer and church bells is either being a bit dense or deliberately trying it on – and in the case of any imam coming up with this non-argument, definitely the latter.
Richard says
Yes, but the call to prayer is also a means of gaining Islamic converts. If you are a Christian or Jew, Islamic conversion means eternal damnation for those who leave your religion. This is no little thing if you believe in your religion. If you do not believe, or have no religion, it would be quite sensible to avoid the dimmi tax and become a Muslim, if only in name. Especially if you are a man, who is not subject to female genital mutilation and can beat the hell out of your wives. As Joshua said when he brought the Jews into the Promised Land (Joshua xxiv;15): “But if it seem evil to you to serve the Lord, you have your choice: choose this day that which pleaseth you, whom you would rather serve, whether the gods which your fathers served in Mesopotamia, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
Jennifer says
The bell was believed to repel demons and evil influences, and that’s why it’s used in churches, religious rituals and exorcisms and to calm storms, as it is the sound of the Holy Spirit, the Shekinah approaching. So it’s not just a sound, but has a long and important religious tradition, for Hebrews and Christians.
The bell was used in Muhammad’s day, and so he banned the use of all bells, saying that it is the sound of Satan. That is why churches in Muslim countries are not allowed to ring their bells, in accordance with Muhammad’s command and the later Edict of Umar when Muslims conquered lands outside Arabia.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer, with all your claim of being expert on Islam you don’t know what muslim call to prayer means, you have to rely on hearsay ? It is sad
End PC says
Anyone can hear the required anti-assimilation, hate-encouraging prayers of Muslims at
https://www.politicalislam.com/prayers-for-kafirs/
http://islamcan.com/salat/duas/index.shtml
LeftisruiningCanada says
What do you mean Ibrahim?
We know very well what the adan means.
It’s an insult, a lie, a condemnation, a claim to rule, a proselytizing tool, a filthy noise and damned disrespectful imposition, all rolled into one.
It’s the perfect example of the heart of islam, which loves to be seen praying in the corners of the street to be seen of men. I know very well how much your men love to be seen scurrying off to prayer times, so full of false piety and pride. It’s shameful, all of it, but you have all been deceived into thinking the opposite.
This evil will never take over our lands.
Denny Abrahamsson says
So true, Jesus also blamed the jewish priests that prayed in the streets and told them to do that in private. Muslims are hypocrits showing off.
LeftisruiningCanada says
islam is all on the outside and nothing on the inside.
Whitewashed sepulcher is the perfect term.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, you said you know what the content of muslim call to prayer means, but you have not shows how it entails Islamic supremacy agenda to take over your lands
LeftisruiningCanada says
Did you read the article above, or just skip directly to making comments?
And of course it’s about making islam center of attention, and prominent, and forcing it into the lives of everyone within hearing of your bida loud speakers, muslim or not.
If i moved to Cairo, Ramallah or whatever, and started going out on my rooftop every few hours to broadcast the basic tenets of the Christian faith, deny every other religion, and tell everyone that Christian prayer is the way to success, i’m pretty sure your brothers there would feel that i’m trying to force Christianity into the public sphere, adon’t you think?
Please don’t try to argue that the adan is not used like like. I know all too well what it’s like to live as a Christian under that cursed and oppressive howling.
Muslims don’t need it and shouldn’t have it in non muslim countries. If you don’t know the exact time that your god is listening, then get a watch and a timetable and plan your day like everybody else manages to do.
gravenimage says
What rot. “Allahu Akbar!” is itself supremacist, claiming “my God is greater than your God”, and that all Infidels are inferior.
Ibrahim itace muhammed has himself said that if Infidels don’t allow Muslims to force Infidels to submit to Islam that they are not allowing them to freely practice their faith.
Denny Abrahamsson says
Im sure Robert knows more about islam than 99,9% of all muslims. If more muslims knew more about their religion they would leave it by millions. If there were no deathpenalty for leaving islam it would be gone long time ago. Many imams admit that.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Denny, as ignorant ,how can you know whether Mr Spencer knows Islam or not ? The reverse is the case, had it been that christians know that christianity is paganic inspired by thé Satan they call holy spirit they Will quickily throw It away.
Richard says
@ Ibrahim
Matthew 12:31-32
gravenimage says
Note that Ibrahim itace muhammed has never once been able to point to a single thing that Robert Spencer has ever gotten wrong.
Ray Jarman says
GravenImage, I totally agree but why waste time with the fool? If you were to point to a blue sky and remark how blue it is, he would find a way to call you a liar.
Save Europe says
Even I, as an atheist (hope you loathe me even more for being an atheist), know that Christianity is NOT Paganism, and that the duality within Islam makes it Satanic. Do you want me to quote the 109 passages calling for Muslims to kill Christians and Jews? What a peaceful religion (sorry ideology) it is!!!
Denny Abrahamsson says
Ibrahim, one thing I know for sure is that all your jihadis can forget about the 72 virgins. There are no luxuary whores waiting for them or young boys like scatterred pearls. The elevator will take them down to your Moongod Moloch who will fry them like bacon.
pfwag says
Sad you can be so stupid as to be a Muslim. Other than murdering, raping, pillaging, lying, and cheating, what good did Muhammad EVER do?
gravenimage says
What claptrap from Ibrahim itace muhammed. Most people here are well aware of the content of the Muslim Call to Prayer. Here’s the Adhan, from an Islamic source:
https://themuslimvoice.net/2009/04/08/the-way-to-recite-adhan/
Save Europe says
You make no sense whatsoever. The Call to Prayer does also mean – ‘come down and sniff a rug or posterior.’
Carol (the 1st) says
If they dislike dogs so much why do they do emulate them?
gravenimage says
Carol, Muslims don’t emulate dogs when it comes to being loving, loyal, or protective of anything decent. I wish they did…
Ray Jarman says
Very good but you forgot the one thing that in not in Islam anywhere – forgiveness.
boakai ngombu says
itace, show respect for a true scholar of islam such as RS
for your disrespect enjoy this punishment:
May you sneeze everytime you scream that the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) is the greatest.
May you burp everytime you say shahada..
May you pass air every repetition of your prayers.
May all of the above occur at least 52 days running.
you’re still dead an awaiting condemnation to Hell in your present enslaved circumstance.
Ray Jarman says
+1
Jay says
“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…”
―Recep Tayyip Erdogan
elee says
Note that some of the central provisions of the protocols of Omar make their falsetto cacophony the only sounds in dhimmi lands: they prohibit the ringing of bells or singing of hymns, and as we know Islam is hostile to all musical expression. If they can they will make the world’s soundscape as empty as the eyes of a Muslim jihadist.
mgoldberg says
And of course, church bells are disallowed by sharia wherever sharia of Islam is imposed. The idea of churches making a call to prayer is disallowed by sharia… wonder why? Wonder why no external trappings as they are called by islam are allowed of christianity or judaism, or any other religion?
No they are not equal. that is a lie.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Exactly. They know very well that having external and public signs of a religion give validation and societal position to that religion.
That’s why they want their adan in our countries, but don’t want anything visibly or audibly Christian in theirs, simple as that.
Only the brazen liars like muslims on jihad will try to say otherwise.
Ray Jarman says
+1
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, we have been telling you that Qaulussahaba (opinion of the companions) líke PACT of Umar are juristic interpretations, which could be reviewed when they contradict the objectives of sharia. one of the objectives is protection of conscience, which dhimmis are entitled to. As such they are free to display their religion, including cross and ringing of bells.
gravenimage says
The dishonest Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Leftruinigcanada, we have been telling you that Qaulussahaba (opinion of the companions) líke PACT of Umar are juristic interpretations, which could be reviewed when they contradict the objectives of sharia.
…………………………….
Uh huh. And yet, no Islamic jurists have found that the Pact of Umar contradicted the objectives of Shari’ah–not in almost 1400 years.
And why would they? The Qur’an and Hadiths are full of reminders that Muslims are to terrorize and humiliate Infidels, which is just what dhimmitude does.
And Umar is not just one of the “Prophet’s” companions–he is one of the “Rightly-Guided Caliphs”, whose opinions are almost as revered as those of Muhammed.
More:
one of the objectives is protection of conscience, which dhimmis are entitled to. As such they are free to display their religion, including cross and ringing of bells.
…………………………….
This is grimly hilarious, given that Ibrahim itace muhammed has said that Infidels who do not submit to Islam can be raped, used as sex slaves, and slaughtered outright.
Clearly, he is not much concerned about the well-being of the “filthy Infidels”, after all.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Who is “we”?
You know Ibrahim, whenever we get onto subjects like this, you always just start claiming that ‘it’s just an interpretation’ or “that can be changed” or something similar.
But how do you claim to speak against such old and venerable writings? Why does your opinion carry more weight than these respected texts? All you ever give is a few lines of your own opinion, which so far as i know is yours alone, with no standing in the islamic world.
Go tell your opinions in Egypt, maybe they will stop attacking the Copts in their places of worship. Go tell it in Pakistan, maybe a few less Christians will be murdered for false ‘blasphemy’ charges.
gravenimage says
Yes–Ibrahim itace muhammed’s use of the “royal we” is ludicrous.
As for the rest, he has affirmed that Infidels can be attacked if they do not submit to Islam–so what happens to non-Muslims in places like Egypt and Pakistan is fine with him.
LeftisruiningCanada says
““The prayer call should be done with a loud voice. There is promise of a reward from Allah for a loud voice that reaches as far as possible.””
More evidence, if it were needed, that islam was created by satan, who’s only pleasure in life is irritating everyone as much as possible, all the time, everywhere.
Satan is the original evil totalitarian, who can’t leave any area of human life untroubled and peaceful.
Islam is one of finest tools for the job. It runs itself.
Ray Jarman says
When I think of Church bells, I instantly recall the beautiful country song by the Browns. Part of the words were: “There’s a village hidden deep in the valley
Among the pine trees half forlorn
And there on a sunny morning”
The words reflect the attitudes of most Christians where the bells were to announce the birth of a baby or maybe the death of one of their neighbors, not some words of superiority and punishment if the message is not adhered. No one in a western nation should have to listen to noise being screamed at them at 0500 hours in the morning when many are still trying to get an hour more of needed sleep. It is bad enough when atheists try to steal every thing holy from Christians but for them to praise the rants from one of the cult, is beyond all decency and the tragedy is that they are to stupid to realize that they would be the first slaughtered by the followers of this peaceful cult.
gravenimage says
I used to live right behind a church, hearing the bells was just beautiful.
Save Europe says
Agreed. Even as an atheist I think it’s genuinely beautiful ?
gravenimage says
🙂
Annabelle says
Just read Daniel 3:1-7 and Revelation:13:15. Anything sound familiar – only as described in Daniel, they at least had a musical call-to-prayer. And even back then those “trouble-making Jooz” were stirring things up by not wanting to pray to an image but rather to Yahweh!
gravenimage says
Ex-imam says Muslim call to prayer “shows power and control over the country”
……………………
Yes–this is a supremacist Muslim claim of power–not just a reminder of what time it is.
Billy Chickens says
We live in a small town so there is no mosque, thank goodness. But if there were one, during the 5 times a day racket yelled out we would stand with an air horn and drown out the islamic prayers to Lucifer. On 4th of July it would be great fun. Five times a day we would stand outside and set off firecrackers.
I’m sure I’d be put in jail, but who cares. I wouldn’t be able to hear those satanic prayers and the government would support me just like they’re supporting muslims.
Save Europe says
Well, during the (ahem!) supposed coup against Erdogan in Turkey, last year, the mosques were used to verbally announce to people, how to respond to the (ahem!) attempted coup.
Niemoller says
A survival policy of catch, trial and jail/execution for traitor Swedish politicians must be instituted with extreme urgency. They are guilty of crimes against community and against humanity itself. Their criminal cultish ideology has decimated a once model nation and is rapidly sending it toward a despotism and failed state.
This also goes for EU politicians as a whole. Hunt them down. They are unnatural cretins because they hold untenable, arrogant social beliefs which included liquidating the native cultures of Europe and creating a blank slate for their machinations. Like all such live experiments, they are doomed to failure, treating humans like their personal objects, and dooming us in the process. No such civilization will or can exist, especially not one led by dissipated, vile drunks like Juncker and banal barren cretins like Merkel.
Baucent says
“Bishop Fredrik Modeus has received harsh words after his statement that he welcomes the application for the Muslim prayer call..”
He sounds like another one of the hand wringing interfaith dialogue clerics who long ago have abandoned orthodox church doctrine. He might be better to seek advice from Coptic or Assyrian church leaders to ask their opinion before making such a statement. Or he might like to reflect if churches in muslim nations are able to ring church bells at all.
terry says
I S L A M
patriotliz says
Mosques = command and control center for Islamization of a non-Muslim country.
Call to prayer or praying in the streets = like a cat marking his territory.
Islamophobia = shutting down any resistance to Islamization.
FYI says
The islamic adhan is a call to “prayer” to the muslim god allah..
THIS is their god allah:_
who is a “for moslems-only” god
who curses Jews and Christians k9:30
who tells muslims “oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends” k5:51
….{in violation of God’s 2nd Commandment.. you may note}
who is anti-Christian and (even more so) anti-Semitic
who does not subscribe to the 2 Chief Commandments
Church bells are a call to prayer to the God of the New Testament*
Who is a God for ALL mankind
Who is revealed in the 2 chief commandments to be a God of Love
Who asks us to obey His commandments(and not twist them to suit yourself like the koran says you can)
*Actually the God in the NT is really the same as the God of the OT:look at it this way.
Both versions subscribe to the 2 chief commandments.
The islamic allah,please note,doesn’t.
Jay says
This little surprise since Mosques often are a lot like military forts with the minarets being the watchtowers.
LeftisruiningCanada says
And they look like missiles ready to launch.
That is not a coincidence.
the thought offender says
Islam is not an evil religion. Islam is an evil civilization.