“But Ayari’s account, too, has been compromised in recent days, with reports of a man claiming she threatened to press rape charges against him in 2013 — a year after her alleged encounter with Ramadan —after he rebuffed her advances.”
Expect a great deal more of this sort of thing, The Muslim Brotherhood machine is just now swinging into action.
More on this story. “Bail Refused in French Rape Case Against Muslim Theologian,” by Lisa Bryant, VOA News, February 6, 2018:
PARIS — A Paris judge on Tuesday denied bail to a controversial Swiss Muslim scholar facing rape accusations, as fresh allegations promise to further complicate one of France’s most prominent sexual assault cases to date.
Oxford University professor Tariq Ramadan, 55, was charged with rape late last week, following two French women’s accusations of brutal sexual experiences in hotel rooms years before. Ramadan was questioned for two days before being taken into custody Friday.
Swiss media have reported allegations that Ramadan had sexual relations with teenage girls at a Geneva school where he taught in the 1980s. In addition, French media have reported that police have testimonies from other women, who have not leveled charges.
The allegations first surfaced last fall, as the Harvey Weinstein scandal triggered a broader #MeToo outcry against sexual assault and harassment.
Ramadan, a married father of four, adamantly denies the charges, claiming they amount to slander from enemies intent on demolishing him. The case has stunned the Muslim world and further fueled the many critics of Ramadan, who has long been a polarizing figure in Europe.
The accusations
Both of the women pressing charges describe similar episodes — of hotel room meetings, ostensibly for religious discussions, that quickly turned into violent sexual encounters. One woman — a handicapped, 45-year-old convert to Islam using the pseudonym “Christelle” — described in interviews a particularly brutal and humiliating encounter with the scholar in the French city of Lyon in 2009.
During recent questioning, “Christelle” allegedly identified a scar on Ramadan’s groin, which he reportedly confirmed existed. She turned over a USB flash drive to investigators allegedly containing compromising text messages from Ramadan, according to Le Parisien newspaper.
But the newspaper also reported a plane reservation that, if confirmed, would show Ramadan flying from London to Lyon at about the same time the woman said the assault took place.
The second woman, Henda Ayari, a former Salifist-turned-feminist activist, went public with her accusations in October. She was the first to openly accuse Ramadan of sexual assault, earning insults and threats in the weeks that followed. Like “Christelle,” Ayari said the experience took place in a hotel in 2012.
But Ayari’s account, too, has been compromised in recent days, with reports of a man claiming she threatened to press rape charges against him in 2013 — a year after her alleged encounter with Ramadan —after he rebuffed her advances.
Beginning of the end?
Regardless of the outcome, the charges amount to a significant blow to Ramadan, once seen as an inspiration to a generation of young European Muslims. In conferences and television interviews, he preached that Islam and Europe were compatible. Still, critics claimed Ramadan, the grandson of Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna, wielded a double discourse, hiding political Islam behind unifying rhetoric.
Following last fall’s allegations, Ramadan took a leave of absence from his teaching post at Oxford University. More recently, French media report that Qatar — which financed his Islamic Studies chair at Oxford — has also distanced itself from him.
“He has a real hold on his [sexual] prey, as on his faithful,” feminist writer Caroline Fourest, a longtime Ramadan foe, told Le Journal du Dimanche.
“I don’t think people realize his impact on Europe as a preacher,” she added. “He has radicalized brilliant students — young Muslims —and transformed them into vindictive paranoids. He has divided European citizens with the kind of harm that few extremists can match.”
A number of prominent Muslims have chosen to remain silent, saying they will wait for French justice to weigh in. Analysts claim Ramadan’s star was fading long before the allegations surfaced — and especially after the Arab uprisings starting in 2011.
“It’s a whole myth that is collapsing. Tariq Ramadan will have a hard time continuing his preaching career based on his personality and a discourse of religious puritanism,” Islam specialist Omero Marongui-Perria told Le Parisien….
Halal Bacon says
All the islamist has it rape, they don’t know how to date a woman
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
And Ramadan is married. While I am *not* a fan of extra-marital affairs, anything consensual is of course far more civilized than sexual assault.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
“he preached that Islam and Europe were compatible.”
As long as Islam has income and Europe is pattable.
Jayell says
But islam has the productive credibility of the mafia gangland and its income is the result of criminality and leeching off the genius and productivity of others. It is humanity’s toxic socio-political parasite and its only production is destruction.
Westman says
“..claiming she threatened to press rape charges against him in 2013 — a year after her alleged encounter with Ramadan —after he rebuffed her advances.”
Only a dolt could believe that! It’s as incredibly illogical as the Quran, haggling claims for produce at the open market, and flying carpets.
The Professors at Oxford must cringe when they read or hear, “Oxford University professor Tariq Ramadan”. Tariq will miss the best social events and parties….
Phil Copson says
“The Professors at Oxford must cringe when they read or hear, “Oxford University professor Tariq Ramadan”.
And serve ’em right for grovelling for Arab money. If they had more self-respect than to be bribed, it would never have happened.
To borrow from Martin Amis – (though I don’t suppose the joke was original) – “Oxford – not so much “the city of dreaming spires” as “the city of perspiring dreams”.
gravenimage says
France: Muslim “reformer” Tariq Ramadan is refused bail on rape charges
……………………..
That he set up these meetings as “religious discussions” is especially perverse. Of course, these Muslim women learned more of the true nature of Islam during the sexual assaults…
God, I hate Islam.
Terry Gain says
Me too. Not only is it evil. It pretends to be a religion.
Joe says
It is an important point in the case. The alleged violence followed a pattern. The pattern is repeated several times. Multiple witnesses testify to the same method.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…Ramadan’s star was fading long before the allegations surfaced…’
Exactly. And not least of all in France. As I have pointed out repeatedly on a series of threads on JW concerning this case. Yet still the myth of the immense popularity of Tariq Ramadan prevails. Robert, even the Muslim Brotherhood has largely abandoned the grandson of its founder. Ramadan has his supporters, yes, but they are not nearly as numerous or as powerful as you imagine. And he has a long list of enemies in the Muslim world. Qatar, for example, which had funded Ramadan’s position at Oxford, has banned Ramadan from entering the country – the eighth Islamic country to impose such a ban. Ramadan was well down the road to becoming a has-been long before the rape allegations became public.
gravenimage says
Certainly for a long time he was trotted out as the very model of a “moderate” in the West, Stella.
I have even seen many Anti-Jihadists do this at Jihad Watch–as recently as just a couple of months ago. Glad to see this slimy Taqiyya artist fully discredited.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…I have seen many Anti-Jihadists do this at Jihad Watch…’
There are slow learners everywhere, GI.
gravenimage says
I just meant this creep fooled a lot of people, Stella.
Phil Copson says
“He was the very model of a modern moderate mus-a-lim
Appearing on the telly and wherever he could muscle-in
A famous university
Used him to show “Diversity”
But now there’s many muslim countries who just won’t let the slimy bugger in……”
StellaSaidSo says
Top job, Phil Copson! G&S would be impressed!
gravenimage says
🙂
LeftisruiningCanada says
The victims are probably being listened to, now that his star has faded enough. Maybe he lost some protectors recently or something.
StellaSaidSo says
He has been losing ‘protectors’ for years, from both Western and Islamic quarters. A decade ago, the victims might not have been so readily listened to The wind has changed.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Good thing too 🙂
Seen this guy in debates and talk shows, and never liked him one bit. Has ‘untrustworthy’ and ‘liar’ written all over him. Nasty too, when he gets challenged.
Like real stars, he will either keep fading until only a dark lonely speck exists, or something will happen to cause him to blow up.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Jean Paul Sartre is a nihilistic philosopher. I tried to read le diable et le bon dieu but I could not finish the book, I was disgusted. BHL is not credible.
No matter french people is skeptical. We are not religious and we prefer philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_France.
gravenimage says
Nihilists like Jean Paul Sartre are part of the problem.
elee says
Well, yes, I guess it’s gratifying that he’s exposed. At the same time, (1) the same thing seems to be alleged about lots of men lately who aren’t Muslims; (2) I for one would be much more pleased if he got in trouble for, say, advocating genocide or killing apostates; and (3) no one seems to have pointed out that his alleged conduct, if proven, is entirely consistent with and pursuant to the Islamic belief that kafir women are free for the taking by any Muslim, with or without their “consent.” Well, maybe someone might get around to mentioning that in shariah he couldn’t be convicted on a woman’s word, and she’d get prosecuted for fornication based on her own complaint.
StellaSaidSo says
Re your second point, I agree entirely, elee.
Re your third point, many posters have drawn attention to the consistency of Ramadan’s alleged behaviour with Islamic belief, though not perhaps on this thread, which is the latest in a series on this issue.
al uzza bint-allaha says
i hope they put him in a jail together with anti-muslims.
ramadan would have a unique experience as someone’s virgin, especially during the tender and suave moments only a prison collective shower can offer.
Georg says
“vindictive paranoids”
A couple words that apply strongly to lots of our enrichers.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Georg, those words are very apt.
Michael Copeland says
“At least we now know, don’t we, children, how to regard this specimen of academia, Mr Qatari-funded Balloon Man – with “Respect”.”
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/tariq-ramadan-respect
StellaSaidSo says
“Respect”
Indeed, Michael, he is beginning to get the respect that he deserves!
My compliments to you on your excellent article for LibertyGB. It’s a shame LibertyGB folded, but I think Paul made the right decision; it is best that the movement not be fragmented unnecessarily.
Your article nailed particularly well TR’s mastery of the art of manipulating his audience’s conception of meaning rather than being precise in his own definitions. And you picked a fine example of his pretentious word salads – I got a chuckle out of that one!
May I ask what was it about TR that first set your bells ringing? For me, it was the interview with Sarkozy on French TV (I think it was in 2003 or 2004) when he refused to condemn outright the stoning of adultresses. It still baffles me that so many people could be taken in by this duplicitous creep.
Michael Copeland says
Thank you for your kind words. I attended the talk at which Ramadan made the statements quoted. That is when I saw his duplicity in action, and how the audience never noticed. This was the trigger for the article above, and those about the Golden Rule, “Are You Swiss Or A Muslim?,and “Freedom of Conscience”.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/12/tariq-ramadan-the-artful-dodger-of-oxford/
https://gatesofvienna.net/2018/01/tariq-ramadan-freedom-of-conscience/
I hope the Liberty GB articles will continue to be available online, even though the political party has been closed.
StellaSaidSo says
Thankyou, Michael for your reply, and for the gatesofvienna links. I look forward to reading the articles, along with your future posts on JW!
gravenimage says
Thank you, Michael.
Sarah says
There must be an absolute laundry load of physical and/or corroborative evidence, currently held by the Prosecution, in order for this to have occurred.
I shudder to think what this animal has gotten away with, so far in his life. Frankly, I’m just surprised (to put it politely) that France has actually cracked down here. After all, we have a famous Muslim who is supposed to be ‘one of the good guys’. Surely they would have searched desperately for some way to either exonerate him or at the least, underplay his crimes and protect him from the consequences.
As far as I’m concerned, there is no such thing as a Muslim Reformer. You can’t reform Islam. You cannot reform Islam any more than you can decide to announce that from here on in, the human race does not actually need oxygen to survive, anymore. Islam in its own message insists that it is the LAST religion and CANNOT be reformed as it is the ‘unalterable’ and ‘perfect’ ‘Word of God’.
May this reprehensible scumbag experience himself in prison, everything that he forced his victims to endure.
I hope those climaxes were worth it, Tariq. Because it’s time to pay the piper for each and every one.
StellaSaidSo says
Sarah, why are you surprised that the French have ‘cracked down here’? The French have no love for Tariq Ramadan. His ‘true colours’ have long been recognised in Europe. Two years ago, France denied Ramadan French citizenship, due to his terrorist connections. Al Jazeera has accused France of ‘demonising’ Ramadan. The Dutch and the Belgians don’t have a lot of time for Tariq either. It is largely the American and the British Left who have championed him, and (until he disgraced himself) the Qataris who funded him. He isn’t exactly flavour of the month in some Muslim countries, either. Eight so far have refused him entry, including Qatar.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour,
My nephews live in Australia with his wife and his two daughters.
Indeed TR has enemies and some Muslims hate him. In Europe we have suffered too much with totalitarian ideologies, and we do not appreciate faschist people.
Amitiés.
StellaSaidSo says
Bonjour! I hope that your nephew and his family live in a cooler part of Australia than I do! We have had several weeks now of unrelenting heat, including temperatures in the mid-40sC. I look forward to returning to France, where the summers are a little milder.
Yes, fascism is all too familiar to the French people, and it is not surprising that so many recognised Tariq Ramadan’s brand of it as early as they did. It was his TV interview with Sarkozy (in 2003 I think it was) that first alerted me to the danger that this slippery character represented. In my numerous posts on the Ramadan case, I have tried to correct some of the misconceptions that so many JW readers seem to have about the extent of Tariq’s (in)popularity in France – hopefully with some success.
Again, cheers from Australia.
StellaSaidSo says
Ooops, ‘(un)popularity’
Gjallarhornet says
“Poor Ramadan, another victim of islamophopia, which is rampant and must stopped. That’s why Europe must open its doors to islamic immigration. Get on board now! If not – you’re a racist, and you do not want to be that now, do you?”
This will – more or less – be what the European pundits will write about the Ramadan-affair.
StellaSaidSo says
‘”…another victim of Islamophobia…”…This will be what the European pundits will write about the Ramadan affair.’
I doubt it, Gjallarhornet. Apart from his friends in the banlieues,Tariq Ramadan has very little support in Europe. He wore out his welcome with most of the classe politique, the media, and academe, years ago, with his blatant anti-Semitism and his obvious terrorist sympathies. If it hadn’t been for the Oxford gig, he would probably have been collecting benefits by now, like most of his parasitical co-religionists.
Gjallarhornet says
For France and what the French coverage will be in this case, I can not speak, it is a long time since I lived there.
But in this country, my storyline, though exaggerated for effect off course, is a definite possibility for a media script. I don’t think they know much about Ramadan, but if they write about him if will follow a formula. The formula goes like this in most of the press (far from not all of it) whenever something terrible connected with islam happenens:
1) Yes, this act if dreadfull, BUT:
2) What about the poverty muslims live under in Europe/the oppression they feel/ the colonial quilt/ some other pretext/.
3) And whatever the reason, the thing which the pundits claims have caused the atrocity – they blame on the average man. It goes like this: if a bomb goes off it’s “Yes, that was bad, but do you know how much they suffer? This was bound to happen, since we have been so bad to them. So if you don’t change your ways, we’ll have more of this. Indirectly, this is *your* fault, is it not?.
The point is that no matter what muslims may do, it is always somehow OUR fault, and nope, the policies on the matter is not going to change. But if Ramadan gets dumped by the muslim elite, that is of course very good. I am only afraid he will be replaced my someone who is easier for the public to like and better able to hide his slickness.
StellaSaidSo says
You are right about the standard painting-by-numbers apologist response, Gjallarhornet, but I can’t see it even getting off the ground in France. France has suffered more terrorist attacks than any other European country, and the French know whose side ‘le vipere’ Tariq Ramadan is on. I have spent considerable time on JW recently, trying to explain to people that TR is not highly regarded in France, and that nobody apart from his supporters in the banlieues has uttered so much as a whisper in his defence, yet the idea persists that the French are bending over backwards to save his sorry arse. When did you live in France? Where are you currently living? Not Sweden, I hope!
Gjallarhornet says
No, not Sweden, thank God. Some luck must be granted to all in life, and I was spared the misfortune of ending up there.
The downside is that Sweden is just a little to near to here.
Gjallarhornet says
Another thing is that maybe there is something wrong with the french ‘public intellectual type’-concept. Like it’s just a game to them, like it does not matter if they’re devoid of seriousness and prefer to act too much of clown in the limelight, because they enjoy it too much. Ramadan seem to have just a little to eager and ready to jump into the play, forgetting that there is more at stake in public debate than show biz-like attention.
Islam aside, Jean Paul Sartre, Ramadan, Bernard-Henri Lévy, Baudraillard … these are/were all people with serious defects, persons to serious German thinker would take seriously.
StellaSaidSo says
Glad to know that Lady Luck spared you from Sweden. Hope you & yours stay safe!
StellaSaidSo says
I totally agree with you re the pretentious late 20thC post-modernist French ‘philosphers’.
The rot started with Sartre. Ramadan saw himself as part of this milieu (he certainly possessed the appropriate amount of conceit) but blew himself out of it with his anti-Semitic attacks on some of his colleagues. I don’t think anyone who mattered ever took Ramadan seriously as a ‘public intellectual’. Hitchens certainly didn’t, and neither does Douglas Murray.
terry says
Violence is the calling card of islam.
Business as usual.
Ramadan has always been an easy read, you can spot it every time he he raises his voice.
John says
Satanic islam, what else do you think would happen.
Mahendra Singh says
Termites like Ramadan thrive in liberal environment of West Europe.
Think what westerners can learn from him? More about the Koranic Garbage.
Bet he has a few girlfriends in his harem, that he cannot get in his
Islamic Egypt.
Dont try him. Just deport him. Permanently.
gravenimage says
He isn’t thriving in France right now.